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CandidatesEdit

Anakin Skywalker does not meet the requirements as he was never truly freed from all limitation (even counting his union with the force after death) and he did not lead the sith as the Master Dark Lord of the Sith. Revan currently has not met the criteria for the Sith, however since he created a New Sith Order and created a holocron which helped Bane make the rule of 2 all he would have to do to become Sith'ari is to destroy the Old Sith Empire and achieve union with the Force. Personally while Bane meets the requirements best I don't favour him because he never displayed truly amazing power in the force and had human limits.

Is it possible that the Sith'ari is Revan?? Could there be some similarity as to be at least mentioned? MoffRebus 01:00, 4 Nov 2005 (UTC)

  • It was probably intended to be the Chosen One, but now that you mention it...-- SFH 05:39, 4 Nov 2005 (UTC)
    • Unlikely, since Revan didn't destroy the sith. He killed Malak, yes, but there were other Sith Lords still around. QuentinGeorge 05:45, 4 Nov 2005 (UTC)
  • You're all wrong. I think it's Ulic Qel-Droma. He brought about the destruction of Exar Kun and therefore the Sith for forty years. However, Exar Kun's death allowed Darth Traya, Revan and every Sith since to come to power.

How can the Sith'ari be The Chosen One anyway? The C.O. is Anakin, but he doesn't fit in the Sith'ari description at all. Only backwards MoffRebus 23:27, 17 Dec 2005 (UTC)

  • It's simple. Anakin destroyed the Sith (Dooku), making himself the apprentice, thus making the Sith stronger. Admiral J. Nebulax 00:08, 18 Dec 2005 (UTC)
    • It's not 100% satisfying either. Dooku was not 'the Sith'. It would make sense to me if Anakin killed both Dooku and Palpatine at once, and then ascend the throne of the latter on his own, but this isn't the case. MoffRebus 07:08, 18 Dec 2005 (UTC)
      • It's from a certain point of view. He killed a Sith (never said it had to be the master), and became a Sith. It's as simple as that. Admiral J. Nebulax 12:59, 18 Dec 2005 (UTC)
        • The text on this page simply says the Sith'ari destroys the Sith, but makes the Sith stronger beforehand. Doesn't mention the Sith'ari killing a Sith prior to his ascendancy. Is that official? - Kwenn
            • One assumes that if they destroy the Sith, they kill a Sith. Perhaps, instead of "the Sith", it could just mean "a Sith". Admiral J. Nebulax 22:25, 22 Dec 2005 (UTC)
              • Anakin can't be the sith'ari because he did not lead the Sith anew. The prophecy says that the sith'ari would wipe out his competition, then lead a new, stronger breed of Sith to destroy the Jedi. It seems to me that all signs point to either Sadow or Bane...
                • I think Anakin could be the Sithari, because as a Sith he sees them destroy the Jedi, but in the end he and Palpatine die, which is the destruction of the Sith. Or something. Hurhrm. --ChristheGreat 01:40, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
  • The Jedi Exile could be the Sith'ari for all we know... DAWUSS 00:46, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
    • Not likely. And please don't restart old topics. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial Emblem 00:55, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
                • I know it's a bit off, but try to follow my scenario. I think that by "being free from restrictions" They ment, weather they knew it or not, beeing free from the limits of the dark side. Darth Vader broke free from the limits of the dark side and killed the Sith. Later making it more powerful by letting his relative Darth Caedus and former "friend" Darth Krayt rise to prominence.
  • I believe Darth Bane is the best candidate especially since the release of "The Complete Star Wars Encyclopedia". In the Encyclopedia, the article on the Sith'ari talks about King Adas being the Sith'ari then:

"After Adas's death at the hands of Rakatan invaders, many pretenders claimed to hold the title of Sith'ari, but none was able to restore the Sith to power until the discovery of a man named Dessel. Dessel was trained on Korriban during the years leading up to the Battle of Ruusan; he eventually became Darth Bane, the man who reinvented the Sith and established the Rule of Two." The Complete Star Wars Encyclopedia, Volume 3, p. 155

After that the article ends, with no mention of any other candidates. I believe that shows definitively that Darth Bane is the Sith'ari because if the identity of the Sith'ari is supposed to be ambiguous, why only mention Adas and Bane. bubbacold 05:32, 24 January 2009 (UTC)Bubbacold

Evil Never DiesEdit

Evil Never Dies: The Sith Dynasties reveals Sith'ari means "the Lord" or "Overlord". More fuel to stoke the idea that it's Palpatine being referred to, rather than Anakin. Adas and Palpatine share a number of similarities, despite the King's cosmetic connection with Vader - Kwenn 09:46, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

  • Exactly, I'd like the reference to Anakin taken out of the IU section entirely, since it is entirely fanon, and suppositional based on guessing the authorial intent. QuentinGeorge 09:52, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
    • Seconded. It was the same deal with the Son of the Suns thing being automatically equated with the Chosen One. Anakin destroys the Sith, yes, but he's not a perfect being, and doesn't bring them to full strength. If anything, that's referring to Sidious. However, it may even have been referring back to Adas, and there hasn't actually been another Sith'ari, as prophecied in KotOR - Kwenn 11:04, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
      • We should definitely remove everything that says "Anakin = Sith'ari" due to this. Palpatine is probably the Sith'ari. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial Emblem 11:12, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
        • But as with Anakin, there's no proof Palpatine is the Sith'ari either, though it is a more likely assumption. As I said, the prophecy may not even have been fulfilled - Kwenn 11:21, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
          • I've removed Skywalker from the text and expanded the BtS section - Kwenn 11:25, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
  • have you read path of destruction? it heavily implies that bane is the sith'ari--Black Jack Scarron 01:51, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

KotOREdit

How is this refrenced in KotOR? Revan 22:09, 22 Dec 2005 (UTC)

  • I believe the prophecy is metioned in the game. But I don't have it myself. Admiral J. Nebulax 22:10, 22 Dec 2005 (UTC)
    • I have the game and beat it, and I dont see no refrences Revan 22:14, 22 Dec 2005 (UTC)
      • Perhaps someone else saw it. Let's wait for confirmation. Admiral J. Nebulax 22:17, 22 Dec 2005 (UTC)
        • When Revan attempts to gain access to the Sith Academy he has to talk with Yuthura Ban, it is she who tells Revan about the Sith'ari Jasca Ducato 10:45, 23 Dec 2005 (UTC)

Balance to the Force?Edit

What? This is a completely unfounded assumption unless new information outside of KotOR has been provided.

"The legends say that the Sith'ari will destroy us and also make us stronger than ever"

You can draw some parallels to the idea of the Chosen One, but there is NOTHING about bringing balance to the Force in there. If anything, it more accurately describes Darth Bane, who destroys the Sith Order as it had stood (an Order of many), and reshapes it into the Order of Two, making it stronger than ever. Or even the Exile, who's nature fits in perfectly with the final line of the Sith Code "The Force shall free me".

Speculation about its relation to the Chosen One prophesy is fine, but saying that it talks about bringing balance to the Force is BS as far as I can tell.

In addition to the quote now at the top of the page, this is what is said about the Sith'Ari:

Yuthura Ban: That is our ideal at any rate. It is said in Sith legend that the Sith'ari, the perfect being will one day lead us but perhaps that is just a legend.
Yuthura Ban: I wonder what that being would be like. The legends say the Sith'ari will destroy us and make us stronger than ever.

Nothing about bringing balance to the Force, see?

Now it's probably correct to assume that this is the Sith take on the Chosen One prophesy, but lets stick to the facts.

(195.92.168.170 12:05, 24 January 2006 (UTC))

Has anyone thought about Palpatine? He did manage to conqure the galaxy. Also, it could be said that by corrupting Anakin, he set the stage for the destruction of the Sith twenty years later.

In light of the new info coming from Legacy, could Jacen be the Sith'ari? Anakin did not destroy the Sith because one of his Alcolytes, Lumiya, survived and was trained in the Sith arts so the Sith were continued. What if Jacen destroys Lumiya and reinvents the Sith in his new vision of Gray, therefore destroying them and making them stronger. Just a theory. Stinkywookie 19:54, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

"Only two there are; no more, no less."
―A certain little grren guy everybody loves

The only Sith were Sidious and Vader, Lumiya was a Dark Jedi, even if she claimed to be a Sith. Vader was the last true Sith, unless u count Luke when he became the Reborn Emperor's apprentice. Jasca Ducato 20:05, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

True, but it is commonly believed that Sith apprentices tend to start training their apprentices before they destroy their master. Sith are not known for following the rules ;)Stinkywookie 20:12, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

  • We already know Anakin failed, since Palpatine returned. I don't think Jacen would be the Sith'ari, but I don't think the Chosen One and the Sith'ari were the same, especially with Star Wars: Legacy. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial Emblem 21:43, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
    • Anakin didnt fail. Nothing said that the balance or Sith's destruction was permanent.

I have the solutionEdit

The Chosen one and the Sith'ari are the same. Let me explain:

  • The Chosen One is said to bring balance to the force by destroying the Sith, who are believed to be the cause of the unbalance.
  • The Sith'ari is said to destroy the Sith, but make them more powerful than ever.

Now, we know that the first one came true, but about the second:

"A prophecy that misread, could have been."--Yoda

The Sith'ari made the Sith more powerful before destroying them. Nowhere in the game does it specifically say that he made them more powerful through the destruction at all. Yuthura only happened to mention this part second, and even if she meant it like that, she still could have misread the prophecy.

  • A lot of "could have"s there. There's no proof they are one and the same. It could be argued that Sidious is the Sith'ari: his actions make the Sith strong, but since he also turns Anakin to the dark side and attempts to kill Luke, he's partly responsible for their eventual downfall - Kwenn 19:56, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Thought I'd point out a recent post over at TF.N, wherein Abel apparently agrees with my opinion that the Chosen One, the Sith'ari and the Son of the Suns are three separate concepts - Kwenn 22:01, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

SeperateEdit

  • Maybe anikan is the chosen one and revan is the sithari or the other way around.

Revan isn't a candidate, technically neither is Vader. There Can Be Only One.)Edit

Ok. I'm a Revan fanboy, but I'm sorry, he simply *isn't* the Sith'ari.

"The Sith'ari will destroy us, and make us stronger than ever".

Notice how it's not, "The Sith'ari will make us stronger than ever and then destroy us"?

Unless we find out that Revan returns to the dark side and takes over the True Sith or something, he's simply *not* a candidate.

Likewise, I am a Vader fanboy, but he is not a candidate either. Whilst one can STRETCH and claim that his destroying of the Sith wound up making them "stronger than ever" (remains to be seen, Krayt's sith are repeating the mistakes of the past), he NEVER "led the Sith", as the Sith'ari is supposed to do.

The most likely candidate is Darth Bane, especially considering such a BIG FRIGGIN DEAL is made about the Sith'ari in Path of Destruction, and especially since he fits the criteria perfectly.

There's no having to stretch, or having to wait a hundred years.

  1. He actually does DESTROY the Sith.
  2. He then goes on to make them stronger than ever. Unlike Revan.
  3. He goes on to lead the Sith. Unlike Vader

I mean, come on, Drew invented the concept of the Sith'ari and then deliberately ensures that it's Darth Bane who gives Kaan the Thought Bomb? Makes sure that he keeps referencing how Bane wants to "destroy the brotherhood" and "rebuild the Sith".

2 + 2 people! :P

  1. Drew invents the Sith'ari prophesy in KotOR
  2. Drew writes Path of Destruction and constantly references the Sith'ari prophesy
  3. Drew insures that Darth Bane fits criteria of said prophesy perfectly
  4. Voila.

Therefore, instead of having Darth Bane tacked on the end as "another candidate". Can we accept that "the most likely candidate is Darth Bane, as he fulfilled every criteria of the prophesy to the letter"? (Ulicus 23:02, 6 October 2006 (UTC))

  • Sorry, but I don't think so—that's your opinion. Cutch 23:54, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
    • Exactly. Your opinions aren't canon. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial Emblem 00:05, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
      • Uh, I'm SORRY. I'll wait until you've read the book and had it forced down your throats then. No biggie. It is however, a misrepresentation to refer to Anakin as the "most popular" candidate as well. But since that suports YOUR positions I'm sure that's alright isn't it? I'm not saying we should call Bane the Sith'ari, just state that he is the only person who actually fits every criteria. Whatever. (Ulicus 02:35, 7 October 2006 (UTC))

Allow me to list the full thing as we know it:

"The Sith'ari, the perfect being, will one day lead us." "I wonder what such a being would be like. The legends say that the Sith'ari will destroy us and make us stronger than ever"

Cannot be Vader. Just can't. Hell, I should be demanding that you take references to him out of the article completely, but I'm not because I'm (generally) a compromising sort.

If I'd said, "Yeah, Bane is the Sith'ari and that's what the article should say", I'd understand your postion. All I'm asking for is some acknowledgement of the fact that as far as we know, Bane is the most likely candidate. Maybe we'll get more information in Legacy that proves that Krayt is the Sith'ari beyond a shadow of a doubt, maybe we won't. I'm just suggesting that we work with what we have.

At the minute, we just have fanon rubbish that's shoehorning the Sith'ari and Chosen One prophesies together.

    • it could be Revan as he teaches Bane though his holocron and this lead Bane to belive that he should destroy the sith, and bring in the rule of two

(Ulicus 02:47, 7 October 2006 (UTC))

  • (of course, I meant to write "position", goddamn the hour of the day!) And, oh yeah, I'm aware that the title on the discussion page is all "there can be only one", but I'm not actually suggesting that only Darth Bane should be mentioned, just that he should be acknowledged as the only person (thusfar) who does actually fit all the criteria. (Ulicus 02:53, 7 October 2006 (UTC))

How is saying that so far Darth Bane is the only known person to literally fulfill every single (known) aspect of the prophesy a cause for concern?

Neither Darth Vader nor Luke *ever* led the Sith. That isn't an opinion! It is objective fact:

Vader never led the Sith. How can you prove me wrong? He didn't. Luke never led the Sith. How can you prove me wrong? He didn't.

Oh never mind. This is ridiculous. I don't know why even I bother trying to use reason in a place that is clearly devoid of it. Anakin should be removed simply because he never led the Sith. End of discussion. I know a lot of people want to make the Sith'ari and Chosen One prophesies the same, but they're just not. OK? It was a lovely bit of fanon for a lot of people, but it was, is and has always been fanwankery. Get over it.

We have much more information on this prophesy than on the chosen one prophesy, and Anakin doesn't fulfill every aspect, so how can it be him? Unless a "full version" is released, and it's not specific about the "leadership" aspect, Vader simply can't be the Sith'ari. He's the Chosen One, a being that both the Jedi and the Sith were keen to claim as their own. (Palps thought it would lead to a thousand years of the dark side ruling the light, the Jedi believed it would lead to the destruction of the Sith). It's like saying that because the coming of John the Baptist was prophesised, that he must be Jesus Christ because the coming of the Christ was prophesised.

Ah, bugger it. Bane's got a mention and it'll do. It's not perfect, but what is here? ("Nothing" is the correct answer, by the way)

CBA.

Peace.(Ulicus 23:33, 7 October 2006 (UTC))

  • Why are you getting so worked up over us telling you that your personal opinions don't have any canon standing? Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial Emblem 23:36, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
    • Did you not read his post or something? He's provided canon facts, not "opinion". Seriously, it's in the second sentence. - Lord Hydronium 00:01, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
  • Jack, I've asked you before, and I'll ask you again. Please do not aggressively berate people on talk pages when they offer a clearly stated opinion on some issue that has bearing on the article. If you want to speak canon, the only figure explictly named as a Sith'ari is Adas - anyone else - Vader, Revan, Bane - are purely suppositional. That being said, as Ulicus as shown, Bane clearly fits the criteria far better than any of these other candidates and, all things considered, authorial intent makes it likely that Darth Bane was the intended Sith'ari. QuentinGeorge 00:09, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
    • But that's still just an opinion. It has not been stated in canon who is exactly the Sith'ari, correct? Therefore, everything is just speculation. And Lord Hydronium, I was referring to the fact that there's no source for Bane being the Sith'ari. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial Emblem 00:15, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
      • When you manage to find the part where I say that we should write "Darth Bane is the Sith'ari" I'll give you my life savings.(Ulicus 00:27, 8 October 2006 (UTC))
      • Jack, no one is saying that Bane is the Sith'ari. Capice? QuentinGeorge 00:28, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
        • Where did I say that he said Bane was the Sith'ari? I merely said there's no source for that. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial Emblem 00:32, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
          • The only reason you'd need to "be referring to the fact that there's no source for Bane being the Sith'ari" is if someone was trying to write that Bane was the Sith'ari. No-one is. You're confusing me.(Ulicus 00:39, 8 October 2006 (UTC))
          • Why are you defending the current version of the article Jack? Darth Bane makes sense as a candidate and he fits the criteria. The other two figures mentioned in the BtS section, Revan and Vader, really should not even be mentioned at all because they don't fit the legend's known requirments. Attempting to tie those two characters to the Sith'ari legend is fanon speculation.–SentryTalk 00:49, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

"I'm just saying that there's no source for him being the Sith'ari. Is there a problem with me doing so?"

In the context in which you did it, yes.

You said, quite rudely, that "[my] personal opinions don't have any canon standing", indicating that the main point I was trying to make (that Bane fits the criteria the best out of all the mentioned "candidates" and that this should be stated in the article) was a load of crap and, not only that, that I was trying to put my "personal opinion" into the article, rather than canon.

The best candidate for Sith'ari IS Bane. Given what we know of the canon (we may come to know more), neither Revan or Anakin can possibly be actual candidates. The canon tells us that the Sith'ari will lead the Sith. Vader doesn't. The canon tells us that the Sith'ari will "destroy [them]" and "make [them] sronger than ever". From what we know of Revan's story, he doesn't. He just "destroys" them. (Though actually, it could be stretched that he makes them stronger than ever through his training of Darth Bane through the holocron... Anakin is ruled out completely though).

Then, when Lord Hydronium called you on it, you said you were "referring to the fact that there's no source for Bane being the Sith'ari".

That is what you used as your defence for stating that what I wrote was rubbish. For that to be an actual defence, I would have had to have suggested that Darth Bane should flat out be called the Sith'ari in the article. I didn't.

How can you now turn around and tell us that it had nothing to do with what I was saying at all? Are you suggesting that you were just stating it because it's true? Nonense. It IS true, but you were using it to "dismiss" my claims, and it simply doesn't work in such a capacity.

All I have ever wanted is acknowledgement that with our current level of knowledge (which is the canon until we're told otherwise) of the PROPHESY (rather than the ancient title) of the Sith'ari, Bane is the most likely candidate, since he ticks every single box. You want a source? Read Darth Bane: Path of Destruction. (Ulicus 01:10, 8 October 2006 (UTC))

Genetically perfectEdit

  • Uh, yeah, we can call Anakin "genetically perfect". He was conceived by the midichlorians. Cutch 14:46, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
    • So what, if someone says he doesn't look nice, then he's not perfect. Darth Abeonis Sith Council (Sith Campaign) 19:06, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
      • That's a pretty weak retort, in my opinion. The movies go to great pains to explain that he is "perfect", at least from a Force-created perspective. Cutch 03:10, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
        • In your opinion maybe, but it proves a point. If you mention that its from a "Force-created" perspective then i'm cool with it. Darth Abeonis Sith Council (Sith Campaign) 12:14, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

Darth BaneEdit

I recently finished Darth Bane: Path of Destruction and changed the article to include more of the Brotherhood and 'im, as he seems the most likely candidate and its alluded to in the book. He fits the profile more than the bad-actor "Chosen One" spiel. Someone else add some quotes; I checked it out from the library and had to return it.--Vladius Magnum

Anyone think Sidious might be it?Edit

Since there's so many different candidates, I thought he fit the part as well. He's free from any restriction, becoming ruler of the galaxy and surviving death after death. He ultimately destroyed the order by intending to rule alone, only replacing his subordinate now and then, and also underestimated Vader's connection to his family rather than the Order, thus leading to its downfall and eventual resurrection. He did all things required by the prophesy, even more so than Vader. VT-16 22:38, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

  • Not Palpatine. If anything, its either Vader, or Bane. Darth Abeonis Sith Council (Sith Campaign) 09:07, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
    • Urg. From the information we have regarding the Sith, the ONLY candidate is Bane. More candidates might arise at some point, but the whole "Anakin/Vader" is the Sith'ari thing is just fanwank. It would be like me saying, "Yeah, Revan is the Chosen one even though he is said to have had a mother and father and the Chosen One is supposed to be an immaculate conception." I think it's pretty bloody telling that Palpatine makes NO MENTION of the Sith'ari ideal in his inner monologue dealing with Anakin in Dark Lord, instead thinking on his *own personal* "intpretation of the Chosen One prophesy, which is a different thing alltogether. Likewise, it's not likely to be Revan if the Sith are still looking for the Sith'ari in 1000 BBY now is it?(Ulicus 18:19, 15 November 2006 (UTC))

Darth (Jacen)Edit

I hate to be a spoilsport but here's the thing, - (Maybe) Darth Revan can only be the Sith'ari if he either returns to lead the Sith or the prophecy can occur in reverse order. - (NO) Darth Bane does not remove the limits on his power and is far from being a "perfect being". -(NO!)Darth Sidious does not directly destroy the Sith, so unless he returns to life,sigh, yet again he cannot be the Sith'ari. -(NO!!)Darth Vader does not lead the Sith, and the Sith'ari it says will cast off his bonds and break all chainsm, Anakin may be born near perfect but he is reduced to 1/2 full power before he can gain mastery of the force -(N/A...yet) in LOTF: Sacrifice Jacen will become a Sith Lord, it is possible that he may fullful the conditions of the prophecy, unlikely but possible.

Rule of twoEdit

The article mentions that Vader helped make the Sith stronger by removing the "restrictive" Rule of Two. Then it says that Bane instituted the Rule of Two to make the Sith stronger ???

So does the Rule of Two make Sith stronger or weaker ? Arnavion 21:41, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

  • What that means is, that Bane created the rule with the intent of making the Sith stronger, but failed. By removing the rule, but having limited numbers of Sith, Vader succeded where Bane failed. {{SUBST:Template:User:Jasca Ducato/Sig}} 21:53, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
    • Not true. The Rule of Two made it to where the darkside would be focused on ONLY worthy members. They spent 1000 years, studying every aspect of the Force and delved into all Jedi lore, building their strength and power until the one who could embrace the darkside fully, become it dedicated instrument, (i.e. Darth Sidious) to rise up and exact their revenge. Number had nothing to do with it. It took two Sith to bring down the Jedi and overthrow the republic...when were they ever stronger than that? Darth Krayt did not destroy the Jedi or the Gallactic Alliance. Both still exist, and both still have numbers. Darth Caedus is becoming the most hated individual in the galaxy, and his power is waning. He came nowhere near to the accomplishments of Sidious and Vader. Darth Bane is the ONLY plausible candidate. Every other mention does not fulfill the prophecy and requires stretching and twisting certain details to make even seem remotely compitent. Darth Bane, ideally, should be the only mentioned. Maybe mention that Sibrak was thought to be, but that was pretty much shot down, considering that Sirak never lead the Sith and was killed by Darth Bane. DarthMalus 18:23, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

A Possible solution?Edit

Fans and Sith alike have speculated as to the identity of the prophesied Sith'ari, though no official verification has been released as to whether the prophecy was fulfilled and by whom.

Adas possessed the title of Sith'ari, and his life was inspiration for the prophecy of the Sith'ari.

Sirak was believed to be the Sith'ari. Qordis told Bane that it was true, but Bane denied it.

Darth Bane is a possibility, as he provided Kaan with the Thought Bomb, leading to the destruction of the Brotherhood of Darkness. Afterward he instituted the Rule of Two to make the Sith stronger than ever. It is also alluded to in Darth Bane: Path of Destruction that Bane is fulfilling an ideal that he found in the prophecy and Darth Revan's holocron.

Should something to the effect of that be in the BTS section? Darth Byss 12:08, 8 October 2007 (UTC)


When I first heard about the sith'ari i thought it was Bane, but every time someone in the rule of two takes power and kills their master they then train an apprentice of their own, so plagueis must have had a master and he brought rise to sidious. I'm not saying this because i believe it, i'm just saying it could be Plagueis.



Does anyone have proof? We are just voicing opinions here.

KraytEdit

It is quite possible (and im saying possible so dont blast me with THATS NOT CANON) that krayt is the sith'ari because of several things: 1. During the sith imperial war if jaina fails to kill jacen then he may kill him thus destroying the current sith 2. He literally DID destroy the order of the sith by abolishing the rule of 2 he just didnt literally kill anyone 3. He built their empire stronger and longer than any previous sith.

  • Not to jump on you but Jacen's death is sealed as Jaina did kill him. So Krayt is out on that respect. Ryan Fett (For Mandalore!)JaingHead 01:02, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

VaderEdit

  • This is purely speculation but it is based on evidence shown THROUGHOUT the Star Wars universe

One thing that has been perhaps overlooked or perhaps less considered than it should is the fact that the Sith'ari would be the “perfect being“. He would “embody the dark side” and all the Sith stood for (pg 130 Darth Bane Path of Destruction).
1. In Episode III the novel (by Matthew Stover) Palpatine says (to Dooku in reference to Anakin’s robotic arm) “Skywalker’s arm makes him for our purposes even better…He is perfect”(pgs 53-54) how much more so would his sacrifice of all his limbs and his encasement in his suit to continue to follow his master, better fulfill a role of a servant of the dark side?

  • This idea of a perfect being is furthered by the fact that he is conceived by the Force

2. He does destroy the Sith as said by Yuthura “I wonder what that being would be like. The legends say the Sith'ari will destroy us and make us stronger than ever.”
3. The two ideas expressed in the above evidence do not necessarily indicate that they will occur in that order, however if you do assume that they must Vader does destroy the Sith and they do emerge stronger (arguably Krayt’s Sith have the more power over the galaxy than Palpatine did and Krayt had become Sith due to Anakin‘s betrayal so it can be said that it is Anakin‘s fault) although Vader’s secret apprentice is another possibility.
4. According to the currently accepted story line Revan is redeemed (and may have never truly gone dark) so he does not remake the Sith order
5. Palpatine fit’s the Lord part but so does Vader as he was proclaimed a “Lord of the Sith” as Palpatine was.
6. Bane destroys and remakes the Sith, but is never in any way referred to as a “perfect being” while Vader is.
7. If Jacen and Lumiya’s views of the Sith as sacrificing are taken in to consideration then none fits that better than Vader.
8. Qordis and Mace both show a lack of trust in the actuality of their respective prophesies coming to pass.
9. (And this supports 5 and 8 the best) Yoda states, “Always in motion the future is.” therefore it is possible that had Luke not redeemed Vader, Vader would have in turn led the Sith and perhaps directly remade them, but the future was “in motion” and therefore changed the course of events as the ancient Sith saw them
10. Yoda also claims that the prophecy could have been misread (Attack of the Clones) when reffering to the Chosen one therefore logically the Sith’ari prophecy could also have been misread.
Ryan Fett (For Mandalore!)JaingHead 01:42, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Encyclopedia : "Bane= Sith'ari" Edit

In the Complete Star Wars Encyclopedia Sansweet makes it very clear that the Sith'ari IS in fact Darth Bane. I would advise you to consider it. :)

The problem is (not that I'm trying to contradict the CSWE) that Bane didn't lead the Sith and then destroy them like the prophecy said. He rose to prominance, destroyed the Sith, reformed the Order, and then led the Sith. Kinda confusing...Bold Clone 17:55, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

Well, in theory everybody was equal so that makes Bane as much the leader of the BoD as any other Sith.

Sith'ari: A historical force rather than a person. Edit

Although I've generally supported the Revan=Sith'ari view, I have an alternative: What if the Sith'ari is not a single person? What if the Sith'ari is a state of being that more than one person has achieved?

Just some food for thought. Lord of Hunger 08:39, December 31, 2009 (UTC)

Translation of Sith'ari Edit

"Sith'ari was a title that, in the ancient Sith language, meant "Lord" or "Overlord"." This is what it says on the page. However, while I know Evil Never Dies says Overlord in some way (I forget the exact wording), the actual translation of Sith'ari would be "Sith Lord," since Sith, well, means Sith obviously, and "ari" means Lord, for example, take Jen'ari, which means "Dark Lord." So I think the translation should be "Sith Lord," or even "Sith Overlord" if you want, but not just "Lord" or "Overlord." It's just not the correct translation. --81.99.217.150 21:47, February 5, 2010 (UTC)

new theory Edit

What if the Sith'ari is actually the rule of two before you dismiss my theory look at these points

1) The whole philosophy of the rule of two is to destroy the sith to make them stronger

2) The rule of two is free of all restrictions it does not even have a body

3) Prophesies can be misread the Sith'ari could be a philosophy

4) The Sith'ari means overlord when the whole point of the rule of two is to have one master

So now you have read my argument you can agree with me or call me a loon (only sith deal in absolutes) 81.132.101.108 14:56, June 28, 2010 (UTC)

  • This page is for discussing the article, not for explaining your fan theories. --Imperialles 15:17, June 28, 2010 (UTC)

Not to be disrespectful but have you read this page it is nothing but theories

Yes, but they are canonical, in-universe theories. Maxi6(Speaketh!) 18:06, June 28, 2010 (UTC)

yes but the rule of two is in-universe it is the reson the jedi was distroyed so why not my theory Unsigned comment by 81.132.101.108 (talk • contribs).

Your theory isn't backed up by in-universe fact, it's speculation. That's not what talk pages are for. Sorry. Maxi6(Speaketh!) 14:11, June 29, 2010 (UTC)

tell me which book says it is darth kryat Unsigned comment by 81.132.101.108 (talk • contribs).

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