Contents 1 Fanon? 2 This is NOT fanon 3 Quote lacks contxts 4 When the Sith Civil War happened 5 Empty Academy 6 Rename? 7 Revan drove off the Sith 8 The Dark Wars? 9 Archive note

Fanon?Edit

Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic II: The Sith Lords does talk about infighting among the Sith remnants on Korriban, but does this reach the level of a named civil war? And where does the idea of the one of KOTORII's Darths surviving come from? — Silly Dan 02:15, 18 Nov 2005 (UTC)

• not a hundred percent but i think its discussed in the NECRazzy1319 05:27, 18 Nov 2005 (UTC)
• Yeah, Dan Wallace mentioned on TFN that, since he hadn't played KOTOR II all the way through, and got incomplete briefing papers for it, he didn't know that Kreia was Darth Traya - it can probably be dismissed as error and non canon. That being said, I have no idea if this article is canon or not. Kuralyov 06:28, 18 Nov 2005 (UTC)
• its on the NEC alright. but from my interpretatiton the civil war started after the defeat of the triumvirate. anyone remember if their was ever a scene where nihilus and sion together during the events of TSL? Razzy1319 18:40, 18 Nov 2005 (UTC)
  • Just the flashback where Sion and Nihilus cast Traya out. — Silly Dan 03:58, 19 Nov 2005 (UTC)

This is NOT fanonEdit

The name "Sith Civil War", to my knowledge, first appeared in the timeline at year 3951 BBY in the Ultimate Visual Guide, p. 12, which is 100% canon. regards ;) JustinGann 08:53, 5 Dec 2005 (UTC)

• totally agree and I fixed article.
  • Umm...does the idea of Sith Civil War REALLY contradict KOTOR II?

First, we have Nihilus and Sion throwing out Kreia, and the subsequent events from the game continue to show Sith internal conflicts; Visas Marr, Sith apprentice, killing her Jedi master; and Sion's death arranged by his own mastter, Kreia; and if the Dark Side ending is allowed as canon, maybe Kreia's apprentice, the Exile, is the Darth whom survives?

• Damn, and I so hoped that the KOTOR II events were not part of any major conflict... (I think you can give up hope about the DS ending... so far, LucasArts has only made LS game endings canonical...) - Sikon [Talk] 18:53, 24 Dec 2005 (UTC)
  • Nevertheless, this article needs some IU-fication and cleanup. The survival of either Darth is obviously fanon, unless the NEC points otherwise. - Sikon [Talk] 19:14, 25 Dec 2005 (UTC)
    • I thought the NEC did point it out that a Darth did survive? --Razzy1319 21:21, 25 Dec 2005 (UTC)
      • The NEC seems to indicate a Darth did survive, but not Nihilus or Sion.JustinGann 21:41, 25 Dec 2005 (UTC)
        • I confess that I am somewhat confused about what event the Sith Civil War describes. Does it refer to the entirety of Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic II: The Sith Lords OR does it simply refer to the infighting between the dark Jedi on Korriban and the fallout between Sion, Traya, and Nihilus before the events of the game? Or is the meaning ambiguous in the sources?--Sentry 03:08, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
          • If it does not describe the events of the game, then we need a seperate article about the Exile's campaign against the Sith Lords. At the moment, the only place the full story is told is in the plot summary of the game article, which seems like an akward solution...--Sentry 03:19, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
• The Jedi Civil War is not the event of the second game, but the first. The Sith Civil War occurs after the end of KOTOR II. And the events of the Triumvirate's moves against the Republic are documented in their own articles; I don't see why it needs an article of its own, any more than we need a "Missions of Jaden Korr" or "Journal of Rogue Squadron Flights." Kuralyov 03:26, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
  • You said: The Jedi Civil War is not the event of the second game, but the first. Yes, I know. I recently reworked that article. I can understad your confusion because my statement was akwardly worded. I was referring to the fact that the Jedi Civil War/Second Sith War was a direct chronicle of the events of the first game and wondering if the Sith Civil War was such a similar reference to the events of the sequel. Obviously, I was not correct. Still, this supposed Sith Civil War seems extremely light on source material. After all, according to KOTOR:TSL, virtually all of Revan and Malak's dark Jedi wiped each other out after the events of the first game. With the death of Traya, Sion, and Nihilus, who is left to fight each other? The Sith assassins? Sounds idiotic to me...--Sentry 03:41, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
  • Actually, you're both wrong. While KOTOR took place during the Jedi Civil War, the Sith Civil War took place amlost instantly after the battle of Rakata Prime. By the events of KOTOR II the Sith Civil War has been over for almost five years. Jasca Ducato 15:43, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

Quote lacks contxtsEdit

• How so? It's just right, unless someone can provide another, better quote. Jasca Ducato 18:01, 16 Jan 2006 (UTC)

When the Sith Civil War happenedEdit

Look, i'm sick and tired of people polluting this wiki with false information. So this is the only time i'm going to say it. The Sith Civil War took place 3,956—3,955 BBY, straight after the Battle of Rakata Prime. The events of KOTOR II took place five years after the Sith Civil War ended. The Jedi Exile had nothing to do with the Sith Civil War, nor did the Lost Jedi that followed him. The Trayus Core incident served no part in the outcome of the SCW and it certainly didn't start it. Only time i'm going to say it. Jasca Ducato 15:59, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

• If you are referring to my recent edit, then cool it. I realized my mistake a few hours after making it and made corrections in this article and all across the wiki.--Sentry 18:45, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
  • No im not refering to your last edit so i have no need to "cool it". I thank you for sorting out the dates throughout the wiki but its the last edit Kuralyov reverted that tipped me over lol. Jasca Ducato 09:56, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
• And I'm sick and tired of people who haven't seen all the relevant sources of information thinking they know the entire picture. There was a Soth civil war a year after KOTOR, yes. But, if you actually read the NEC instead of thinking you knew everything just because you've played the KOTOR games, you'd know that there was another Sith civil war following the events of the second game. So here's a tip: make sure you actually know what you're talking about before claiming you do. Kuralyov 15:38, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
  • *Cough* First Sith Civil War, Second Sith Civil War *cough* - Sikon [Talk] 16:04, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

Empty AcademyEdit

Couldn't an argument be made that the Sith Academy was already a graveyard in the LS-most ending of K1, where Uthar dies and Yuthura joins the Jedi? Because then everyone in the academy attacks Revan (who then massacres the entire populus in the academy), and when all is said and done, the place is as empty as it is in K2. DAWUSS 15:36, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

• Not really. Because Yuthura can become the new Master at the acadamy and allow Revan off the planet without the slaughter. Jasca Ducato _{Sith Council (Sith campaign)}20px 18:55, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

Rename?Edit

I think that this article needs to be renamed. According to Dan Wallace's end notes for the NEC:

The Ultimate Visual Guide also places the Sith Civil War at 3,951 BBY. These are the only mentions of a Sith Civil War and according to Dan Wallace, it is a description for the events of KotOR:TSL. As such, all three 'Sith Civil War' articles need to be reworked to take this into account. At the least, I suggest that this article be renamed. Calling the Sith battle for succession on Korriban a Civil War seems somewhat ridiculous. Why don't we just call this Sith battle for succession or something? I don't care what the name is as long as it is less grandiose that the 'First Sith Civil War'.–Sentry^Talk 22:39, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

• Who said it was a battle for succession? We don't know what it was, all we know is that Sith fought Sith, and that constitutes a civil war. Jasca Ducato _{Sith Council} 22:47, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Alright, here is what the NEC has to say about the Sith Civil War:

THE SITH CIVIL WAR
3951 B.B.Y.
Revan's fate following the Battle of Rakata Prime is unclear, but the Sith Empire that had sworn fealty to Revan (and later Malak) now found itself rudderless. Darth Bandon had also perished during the recent fighting, and so a host of potential Sith Lords rose up to fill the void. Darth Sion, Darth Kreia, Darth Traya, and Darth Nihilus were among the many to take advantage of the Republic's inability to safeguard its holdings after the Second Sith War.
As the Outer Rim descended into chaos and the Sith once again took hold, the surviving Jedi publicly disbanded. By going underground, they hoped to escape assassins that had been dispatched by Darth Sion. Working to uncover the Sith in secret, salvation came instead from a former Jedi who had been excommunicated for assisting Revan during the Mandalorian Wars. This hero-aided in part by Canderous Ordo, the new Mandalore heading the reemerging Mandalorian clans-uncovered the origin of the Sith plot to wipe out the Jedi. Eventually, the Sith destroyed themselves in a bloody civil war, decimating the ranks of the evil cult. At least one Sith Lord survived, however, ensuring the perpetuation of the "Darth" line for centuries to come.

Actually, now that I have given this a bit more thought, I think it would be best if we merged what we are calling the First and Second Sith Civil Wars into one article, for the sake of avoiding fanon. According to this excerpt, they were all part of a single conflict.–Sentry^Talk 23:12, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Revan drove off the SithEdit

In KotOR II, Kreia says:

"It was said that Revan intended to return to Korriban to subdue any potential Sith insurgents. But Revan disappeared."

And, in PoD, Bane reflects:

"Nearly three thousand years had passed between the time the Sith had been driven from Korriban by Revan, and the day Kaan's Brotherhood of Darkness officially reclaimed this world for the order."

Taken together, the quotes seem to confirm that immediately prior to his disappearance, Revan went to Korriban (one assumes at this time) - and routed the Sith that remained there. This should, I feel, be included in the article. ( Uli Talk 02:52, 22 November 2007 (UTC))

The Dark Wars?Edit

KOTOR Campaign Guide has a listing for a conflict that lasts from 3955-3951, called the Dark Wars. I'm pretty that's a reference to this war. I'd need help moving this from someone more experienced, but I think it needs to be done. Dangerdan97 21:59, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

Archive noteEdit

Talk:Sith Civil War/Archive1 was originally the talk page for an article on the Second Sith Civil war, which assumed that the latter half of this war was a separate conflict. Second Sith Civil War is now an article on a later conflict, which we used to call the "Third" Sith Civil War. —Silly Dan _(talk) 22:53, 19 September 2008 (UTC)