Contents 1 Apprentice of Marka Ragnos 2 Race 3 Exile VS Nihilus VS Emperor 4 Return page to Sith Emperor 5 DOB 6 Behind the scenes 7 Immortality 8 Speculation 9 Main Picture 10 Voice of the Emperor

Apprentice of Marka Ragnos Edit

I just finished the book and there is nothing that even suggests that Vitiate was the Apprentice of Marka Ragnos. Unless proven otherwise, I remove Ragnos as his Master.--ScorpiO 19:18, November 21, 2011 (UTC)

• And I read to chapter 20 and already I found a part were it says he was Ragnos' appentice. Darth Nyriss tells Scoruge on the way to Nathema.--Jet Twilights 02:56, November 23, 2011 (UTC)
  • The novel doesn't say at all that Vitiate was Ragnos' apprentice, only that he was given Lordship by the Dark Lord himself. To add Ragnos as Vitiate's master is fanon, and will be reverted, possibly with an editing block penalty. Please also remember to sign your posts with four tildes, ~~~~, thanks.—Tommy 9281 Wednesday, November 23, 2011, 02:57 UTC
• My mistake. Sorry. But you seem to have been mistaken too because I DID sign my last post.--Jet Twilights 04:33, November 23, 2011 (UTC)

Race Edit

So let me get this straight: Vitiate WAS a Sith Purblood, but his dark power turned him into what resembles a Human? How the heck does THAT work!?--Jet Twilights 02:55, November 23, 2011 (UTC)

- The profile picture of him is as he appeared in "blood of the empire", and that comic had established that idea that he had jumped from body to body. So at this point (roughly 300 years after the Revan Novel) we can assume the body he resides in, is not his first. -Nebelwerfer

- Wait wait wait....he JUMPED bodies!? Were did it say that? I don't remember that, (I read it a while ago). And why would he need to jump bodies if he's IMMORTAL? Leaving the body he used to in act the ritual would make him mortal again, wouldn't it?--Jet Twilights 00:51, November 25, 2011 (UTC)

• • We only know his story from a 3rd person account and from the years up until c.a 3,954. That leaves around 300 years of history that we haven't got at the moment. 193.69.162.242 16:42, November 25, 2011 (UTC)

- Read "blood of the empire" again if you don't remember that part about how the emperor jumps from body to body. That was the reason why his redsith apprentice rebelled against him and fled. -Nebelwerfer

- I think it's like how he got Revan and Malak to work for him that he can completely take over bodies, but only of the children of the emperor. Je'diiverd 03:55, March 20, 2012 (UTC)

Exile VS Nihilus VS Emperor Edit

The Emperor consumed 1 planet (Nathema), and power that he has got from this act was enough to keep him for a thousand of years alive, kill 9 most powerful Sith Lords on Kaas (The Dark Council) and defeat Revan.

Lord Nihilus consumed not only 1 planet (Katarr) but (according to Kreia) also many more worlds. So his power must've been even far greater than Emperor's.

But Nihilus was killed by Exile, because she blocked herself off the Force, so when Nihilus tried to drain her, he couldn't (because she wasn't connected to the Force), and this exhausted his power enough for him to be killed.

So, couldn't Exile use the same technique to weaken and defeat the Emperor? If she would've explained this tactics to the Scourge, he could've decided NOT to betray her (because this could've convinced him of the fact that this tactics would ensure Emperor's defeat so there'd be no great risk for him) and Emperor would've been defeated for good.

Aww why the ways of the Force must be soo stupid? ^^

--90.180.63.238 15:42, November 26, 2011 (UTC)

I think what Vitiate did on Nathema is something differend than Nihilus´es "force of Hunger", because Vitiate not only sucked all the life, he also sucked and consumed all the Force on the planet. We have no proof, that Nihilus did the same thing. As far as we know, he only drained the Force energy from the Force-sensitives on Katarr (or any other planet for that matter) and that´s it. That is why I think, Meetra´s ability could not been used.--ScorpiO 20:42, November 26, 2011 (UTC)

nihilus was a wound in the force - he was feeding upon the connections between the life and the force until the life died and the connection ceased to exist. he could never be sustained - Emperor however sucked everything - the force, life and even color and sound and part of the essence of all that he somehow imprinted upon his own effectivily making himself immortal but he did this only for more massive permanent power boost and the immortality through complex Sith Magic ritual unlike nihilus who because of hunger became little more than animal and eating Force-users wherever he found them

My thoughts is that the Emperor's technique was more controlled and calculated while Nihilus had been reduced to nothing more than as to the anonymous poster referred to as a wound in the Force. But no one knows who would win in such a fight. --Senjuto 16:05, January 9, 2012 (UTC)

Yes, Nihilus was a wound - he sucked the Force energy from the life around him, and consumed the life of many planets. But Vitiate is different - he fed upon the Force everywhere on Nathema, and left the entire planet barren on the Force - not a wound, just... empty. Like a blight that consumed everything in its wake - even the bodies of the dead, I think. And unlike Nihilus, who was not responsible for what he became (he was simply present at Malachor V, and it affected him like Meetra Surik, only he was consumed by his hunger), Vitiate chose to do this - he used a ritual that he knew would strip the Force from Nathema, and he has been feeding on others (like Revan and his apprentices) ever since to prolong his life and power. Nihilus was an empty shell, while Vitiate is very alive and well, and intelligent to boot. --Cade1 15:42, February 27, 2012 (UTC)

Return page to Sith EmperorEdit

I'm going to make the case that this page should be moved back to "Sith Emperor". Vitiate was one of several names that he held throughout his lifetime. First he was Tenebrae, then Vitiate, then the Sith Emperor. He was known most widely and for the longest period of time as the Sith Emperor—the phrase was not a title or position, but rather an alternate form of address for the individual; he was the Sith Emperor. Darth Nyriss even confirms that the name Vitiate was abandoned by the Emperor in Revan:

"Their deaths made him stronger than any Sith who had come before, and he ceased to be known as Lord Vitiate. On that day, the Emperor was truly born."

All other TOR sources refer to him exclusively as the "Sith Emperor", and as per our naming conventions, this article should reflect that. If there are no major or compelling objections within the next day, I will be making the move. Darth Trayus^{(Trayus Academy)} 21:46, December 3, 2011 (UTC)

• I support the move back to Sith Emperor. The way the situation reads, to me, is similar to a Sith taking on a new "Darth" persona, giving up who they used to be and fully embracing the new identity. Obviously we should mention his birth name, and his first Lordship name, but I agree that Emperor wasn't just what he was, but who he was. Bella'Mia 02:51, December 4, 2011 (UTC)
• Well, I agree that he WAS The Sith Emperor and that it was not only his title, but his personal characteristic as well-but exactly the same can be said about f.e. Sidious or any highly-influential and important character. And there must be a way to distinguish these characters from each other on the first sight. So his name (Vitiate) should be used whenever he's being mentioned as well. Or he should be reffered to the Emperor of Post–Great Hyperspace War empire/True Sith empire/Cold war empire.--90.180.63.238 01:09, December 5, 2011 (UTC)
• I also agree with the move based on Trayus' argument. - JMAS ^{Hey, it's me!} 01:14, December 5, 2011 (UTC)
• I absolutely agree with that. Darth Malgus and Mandalore the Vindicated both have their titles as the name of the page and not their original names. Even if an Emperor is not a true name but a title, the name of Mandalore is also a title. In the case of Lord Vitiate, he assumed that title as his name, and should be referred to as such. All characters in the books and the game do.

Bedraal 02:06, December 5, 2011 (UTC)

• I too agree. It follows much the same principle as Mandalore the Ultimate and other Mandalore. Vitate is no longer his name. Whether he has taken a new name is yet to be seen, but as far as we currently know he is simply: the Sith Emperor. Alexsau1991 ^{(talk page)} 17:53, December 5, 2011 (UTC)
• To further that, the novel makes it quite clear that he was given the title of Lord Vitiate, not a new name.—Tommy 9281 Monday, December 5, 2011, 18:20 UTC

So, I think we may need to re-open the conversation. In Darth Plagueis, he's explicitly referred to as "Emperor Vitiate" on pg 181. -- DigiFluid 07:51, January 15, 2012 (UTC)

• I agree with refering to him as Vitiate, both because of the mention in "Darth Plagueis", but also for symbolic reasons: refering to him as the "Sith Emperor" essentially dehumanizes him. One of my primary concerns has always been aesthetics, and the subtext conveyed by the information. It should be written a certain way to convey the proper point and support a given conclusion. Jensaarai 08:07, January 15, 2012 (UTC)

DOB Edit

What's the source for the infobox giving his DOB as 5113 BBY? I remember in Revan it being stated that he was born in the decades before the Great Hyperspace War, but over a century (plus a date as exact as 113 years before it) is a bit more than decades. What's the source on this? -- DigiFluid 15:29, January 9, 2012 (UTC)

Is Revan novel itself, if you read very, very accurately in the tale of the born of the Sith Emperor appear that his born year was 5113 BBY (93.39.212.253 16:39, January 9, 2012 (UTC))Borin87

Page number? Not for doubt's sake--I'm just curious, because apparently I completely missed it. -- DigiFluid 17:00, January 9, 2012 (UTC)

Unfortunally I don't have with me the book but I remember that in the chats here in the forum was discuss very long the matter, I hope a more exper user interview. For the question of the death you right that was a bad editing but I'm convinced that the Sith Warrior story was the first( or second) of all so I believe that AFTER that the Jedi Knight truly defeat him but for know for sure we need a timleine of the class's stories, soory the OT!!!!! (93.39.212.253 17:12, January 9, 2012 (UTC))Borin87

Was going to add info about his voice actor. It's the guy who plays Pinhead.

Behind the scenes Edit

This section could definitely be added. Eg; Tenebrae means shadows or darkness in latin while vitiate means 'to corrupt'. I'm sure an enterprising person could whip this up in no time, but I dont have the time at the moment. Jade Raven 09:54, January 16, 2012 (UTC)

Google Translate (which I'll be the first to admit isn't perfect) translates the Latin "vitiate" to the English "violated," not "to corrupt."

While your idea is not a bad one at all, maybe someone with a firm grip on Latin could weigh in before we add anything... -- DigiFluid 13:51, January 16, 2012 (UTC)

Do not rely on Google to translate latin, it still is way too complicated for an automated translator. Tenebrae does indeed mean "shadows", but vitiate isn't proper latin. Vitiate is English and means "to morally corrupt" (or sometimes, in archaic context, "to rape"), though it does come from the latin verb vitio (which means "to damage" and "to sexually rape". LelalMekha 14:05, January 16, 2012 (UTC)

Chill. I didn't add it, did I? All I urged was clarification, because Google Translate isn't perfect. -- DigiFluid 14:14, January 16, 2012 (UTC)

Chill? I'm sorry you took it that way, I didn't wish to offend you or appear agressive... I was just trying to contribute to the conversation, as I took latin class both in high school and university. My apology if you took it personally. LelalMekha 14:17, January 16, 2012 (UTC)

Immortality Edit

I wanna know how far his immortality reaches. He can live centuries yes but could he ever be truly killed? --ShenLong Kazama 16:36, February 3, 2012 (UTC)

Well we know that (*SPOILER ALERT* TOR JEDI KNIGHT QUEST RESOLUTION PAST THESE PARENTHESES) the class quest of the Jedi Knight in TOR involves battling and slaying him, but that he transfers his essence to another body a la Darth Andeddu, Darth Bane's aborted attempt, and Palpatine. But that also seems to indicate that he does not cease to be in the course of the game. Perhaps the upcoming post-game fourth TOR novel will shed some light on his ultimate fate. – DigiFluid 17:23, February 3, 2012 (UTC)

SpeculationEdit

with new sources like Star Wars: The Old Republic: Revan and Star Wars: The Old Republic revealing much more about the Emperor's past, should we not remove all the useless speculation from the talk page? it's cluttering the place up, and it's now obsolete. Swordsquirrel 17:26, February 14, 2012 (UTC)

Taken care of. In the future, you can just do this yourself. Just take care not to cut off any conversations that may still be on-going. – DigiFluid 19:19, February 14, 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, I'll keep that in mind. I'm just a little cautious of deleting a bunch of other people's posts. 86.155.189.76 22:09, February 14, 2012 (UTC)

Oh, fear not. You don't delete them, you just make a new page to archive them to and put in the Archive template at the top of the current page. – DigiFluid 22:29, February 14, 2012 (UTC)

Main Picture Edit

If the Emperor defeated by the Hero of Tython was actually the voice of the emperor then the picture we are using isn't actually the Emperor, I think we should change it or simply remove it.--Gboy4 10:28, February 16, 2012 (UTC)

• Now, I haven't played TOR, but if I'm reading this right he transferred his soul to other bodies to stay alive, yes? If so, then that was not just a "Voice" that the knight, defeated, it was him, as he lived at that time. In my view, it doesn't matter if he moved through other bodies, the body he possessed was his own and the one killed on Voss was the latest picture we have of him. If we had a portrait of his natural body, that might be different. NaruHina ^Talk 05:15, March 4, 2012 (UTC)
  • This is mainly to DigiFluid who reverted the change that brought the image, personally I don't think it's sufficient reason to revert a change on the back of 'check the edit history'; when Gboy4 removed it, he didn't provide sources backing up his claim, nor was any agreement reached on the talkpage, in fact Gboy4 doesn't even sound sure of it himself. You should perhaps of consulted the talkpage before you undid the change.
  • I haven't played Jedi Knight, but from what I've read NaraHina statement sounds accurate. Alexsau1991 ^{(talk page)} 05:48, March 4, 2012 (UTC)

I also have not played the Jedi Knight quest, and don't have any strong feelings one way or another on this. I was just reverting because I had taken from Gboy actually making the change (rather than just discussing) that s/he had become confident enough in his/her assertion to go ahead with it. Do what you will, though I think it might be best if we get someone who's finished the JK quest to weigh in. – DigiFluid 06:06, March 4, 2012 (UTC)

I haven't finished the Jedi Knight quest but I did finish the Sith Warrior quest and I got a message from the Emperor's Hand stating the Knight only killed the voice and that the Emperor is recovering, my understand of the voice is that they are individuals that the Emperor possesses in order to use them as messengers, they are definately not clones as I encountered a Voice on Voss which was a member of the Voss Species and Darth Baras attempted to pretend he was the voice, which would have been impossible if the voices were clones.--Gboy4 16:28, March 4, 2012 (UTC)

Voice of the Emperor Edit

I have a question regarding the nature of the Voice : is it the host body of the Emperor or just another body he possesses the same way he uses his " children "? In the second case, I don't understand why Vitiate let Baras claimed he was the Voice. The Emperor just needed to come in front of the Dark Council and say otherwise. Malgus said he was apathetic, that could explain this. Or he just doesn't care about politics in his empire.

But still, why then the Servants need to secure the Emperor's essence into a new host body? How it's different from the Children? I don't remember the Servants did care about them when they were defeated. Maybe the Voice is infused with a lot of essence unlike the Children?

By the way, is it really confirmed that the host killed by the Jedi Knight was the new body the Servants secured (after Sel-Makor was killed) or was it a new body the Emperor took long ago?

What do you think of all this?

Please note the Topicheader at the very beginning of this page. "This space is used for discussion relating to changes to the article, not for a discussion about the topic in question." – DigiFluid 16:54, March 29, 2012 (UTC)