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Alphabetically, Dark Lords of the Sith (the best of Sith Lords) are shown in bold.

ummm? yeah what is this? this fanwanking needs to stop. 24.197.139.111

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Darth Andeddu an Ancient Sith?Edit

What's the Source on this? Andeddu has been, and remains to this day, as far as I know, ambiguous as to his time period. --Sauron18 12:16 22 June 2006 (CDT) THis page is in need of a better picture. -17:04, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

  • His holocron is seen calling Darth Krayt a heretic for abandoning the Rule of Two. I'm moving him there. And if anyone thinks his colthes are any indication of his time, just compare him to some of Palpatine's advisors.
    • We don't know his time period. I created a new section for that and moved him there. That should be good enough until we learn more about him. Kaje 00:40, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
      • Right, that's a better idea. Though I still think we should somehow indicate that he followed the Rule of Two (yes, that rude unsigned comment above is mine - didn't have an account at the time). Gorthuar 09:45, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

{{moresources}} Edit

I added the {{moresources}} tag. KOTOR 2 ain't just the ONLY reference for Sith Lords, peoples...come on, please!

Cheers,

RelentlessRecusantJedi Order 16:23, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

Vader not a DLOTSEdit

I find this ridiculous. He was the first one to be called a Dark Lord of the Sith for chrissakes! .... 03:02, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Not Sith Lords Edit

Darth Maul, Count Dooku, and Darth Vader were not Sith Lords. They were all Apprentices. Count Dooku was only thought to be the Lord. -I got a shotgun shell 14:30, 24 February, 2007 (UTC)

  • Yes, they were. Palpatine himself called Vader, "Lord Vader." - JMAS 14:45, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
    • Indeed. Just to clear this up, they were Sith Lords, but not Sith Masters. --Andrettin 04:31, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

There is no evidence that the KotOR characters: Yuthura Ban, Uthar Wynn, Jorak Uln, Visas Marr and Bastila Shan are or at any point were Sith Lords. Being an apprentice to a Sith Lord, or even a Dark Lord of the Sith, as the example of Gav Daragon and Naga Sadow shows, means nothing. Therefore I'm removing the aforementioned KotOR characters from the list.Gorthuar 21:39, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

All of Palpatine's apprentices were Dark Lords. Remember that Darth Bane's Rule of Two made master and apprentice Sith Lords.--God of the Sith

Graush not a DLOTSEdit

Nothing in his own entry suggests he was a Dark Lord of the Sith. It's even more likely that he ruled *before* the Dark Jedi found the Sith species (please refer to his talk page: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Talk:Dathka_Graush ). That's why I'm removing him from the list and placing him next to Adas in the opening text.Gorthuar 21:26, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Im not sure that we can even put Exar kun in as a sith lord , he was a magnificent sith apentice under feedon nad's ghost but i dont think he was ever anything more, he didnt honor any code or belief system of the sith in fact he betrayed the sith by killing the massassi for his own gain, so i dont think Exar Kun was ever anything more than an aprentice

    • Oh please, anon, how can killing Massasi for one's own gain be betraying the Sith? Each self-respecting Sith Lord from Naga Sadow's time did it. Plus, coincidentally, Exar Kun was named Dark Lord of the Sith by Marka Ragnos' spirit... Gorthuar 20:42, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

Traya not a DLOTSEdit

At least her own article here says so. She was the leader of the Sith Triumvirate, but didn't claim the title of Dark Lord (or Dark Lady). The title was in use again only when Darth Nihilus usurped power from her. If no one's got evidence to the contrary, I'll be changing it. Gorthuar 20:39, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

RewriteEdit

I'd rather have the Sith Lords divided by the factions they belonged to (ie: Old Sith Empire, Naddists, Brotherhood of the Sith, Revan's Sith Empire and so on). Any objections to a rewrite of this sort? Gorthuar 18:57, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

de-Interwiki Edit

Coulde someone please add [[de:Sith-Lord]]. 84.176.249.155 17:30, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

freedon nadd Edit

is he really a ancient sithZ-wing? 03:30, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

Star Wars: Empire at War: Forces of CorruptionEdit

Hey! In the game, Urai and Tyber Zann discuss about the Sith Lords, in the campaing mode! Hope an administrator could put the game in the Appearences list. Darth Eclipse 17:25, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

Vader, Maul and Tyrannus were Sith Lords. Edit

I find the comment that I got a shotgun shell left just, well... Just stupide, who are we really to say who is a Sith lord? I mean George Lucas has MADE these movies, and if he say they are Lords of the Sith we must accept that!

I mean: he created Star Wars, and in several of his interview he specially mention that they are Sith Lords...

And even if Sidious and Vader, and Dooku as well as Maul folows bane's "rule of two" that does not mean they can do a litte adjustments on it... 

Thrawn Du Gard 18:00, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

2.2 Updated with new information Edit

Information as to the real situation and the people alluded to in StarWars: The article is too long (a couple of A4 pages) for this box.

09:50, 10 April 2009 (UTC)93.109.119.252So, I refer you to its Source:

'ENDGAME UPDATES in progress"

From Site http://jesusdzeus.com

The above article is 4 pages but the 'Starwars' extract is pages 3-4

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The most well known sith lord Edit

Who do you think is the most well known sith lord? Put your posts here! LordDeathRay 17:27, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

Darth Vader. Revengous 17:30, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

Darth Revan. LordDeathRay 17:33, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

  • Wookieepedia talk pages are not forums. Quit it. Gorthuar 17:58, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

Jedi Knight Videogame Edit

I think you have left some siths shown in the Jedi Knight saga, like Darth Desann from Jedi Knight 2 Jedi Outcast

  • 1. The plural form of "Sith" is "Sith", not "siths" (also, notice the capital letter "S"). 2. Desann was not a Sith Lord and so never had a chance of having the Darth title. He wasn't even a Sith, he was a mere Dark Jedi. 3. Register and sign your comments. Gorthuar 20:14, January 10, 2010 (UTC)

Star wars: The old epublic Edit

There should be a category for the Sith Emporor's Sith Empire, Darth Desolous and Darth Phobos are NOT part of that empire. (- -) 19:06, April 30, 2010 (UTC)

  • They aren't... as far, as we know. Certainly a separate category is a good idea. What stops you from making it? Gorthuar 19:14, April 30, 2010 (UTC)

other sith lords to add to the sith lord articleEdit

I was reading over some articles of the sith and wanted to note some additions that could be made to the sith lord article: 1. Darth Glovoc: His article states- Darth Glovoc was a Sith Lord and commander in the Sith Empire during the Jedi Civil War. Doesn't this make him a Sith lord then if his own article states that he is a sith lord? There fore he should be added to the list under Revan's sith empire. 2. Llokay and Yevra: it states in both their articles that they were sith lords: Llokay's article- Llokay was a male Zabrak Sith apprentice, and later a Dark Lord of the Sith in the years leading up to the Seventh Battle of Ruusan. and this one Llokay and all the other Sith apprentices in the academy were promoted due to the Brotherhood of Darkness' need for Sith Lords on the front lines of the war against the Galactic Republic and the Jedi. and for Yevra: Yevra was a female Zabrak Sith apprentice, and later a Dark Lord of the Sith in the years leading up to the Seventh Battle of Ruusan. and this one: Yevra and all the other Sith apprentices in the academy were promoted due to the Brotherhood of Darkness' need for Sith Lords on the front lines of the war against the Galactic Republic and the Jedi. 3. Darth Bandon and Darth Voren: my argument for them being included on the sith lord page is this information from the "Darth" article: Darth was a title given to certain Sith Lords which preceded either their chosen Sith name, or, in some cases, their birth name. However this does not apply to Darth malus as the Darsin article said that " He DIED before he could assume his title, Darth Malus." Also Darth Wyyrlock IV as Saarai was only "destined to take on the title of Darth Wyyrlok IV" therefore she did not have her sith name yet. 4. Janton Belos and Valik Kodank: Belos should be added because it says he is a sith lord in his article: Janton Belos was a minor Sith Lord, who lived during the height of the Sith Empire. Valik Kodank should be added because it states that she is a sith lord in her article: Valik Kodank was a female Sith Lord. 5. A new section of the sith lords article that contain the sith lords of the lost tribe of the sith from the omen crash and onwards: I have noticed the following character from the article: Lost Tribe of Sith under the section Original members of the Lost Tribe of Sith and members of the lost tribe: Jariad Korsin† (High Lord) Yaru Korsin† (Grand Lord) and Nida Korsin as grand lord in the section "Members of the lost tribe" subsection "Grand Lord" Hope this helps i'll see if i can find anymore things to add to this great article thanks for considering my thoughts (Jedivssithforever 19:25, May 26, 2010 (UTC))

error in sith lords article Edit

I also noticed an error in the article: there is an error in the section of the "ancient sith" section of the sith lord article: Najus because 1. It says in his article: Najus was a male Sith artisan affiliated to the New Sith Empire. He lived during the height of that power, at some point between 2,000 BBY to 1,006 BBY. 2. I don't know if Najus is considered a sith lord because in his article you identify him as a "Sith artisan" does that qualify him as a sith lord? Just pointing this out (Jedivssithforever 19:29, May 26, 2010 (UTC))

Number of Sith Edit

Oddly enough, despite the extent of this article, no one has commented on Yoda's comment during Episode I that there are only 2 sith: a master and an apprentice. "No more, no less." So, how are all these others listed? Or do they exist at different times along the timeline??

All the sith during the rule of two existed at diffrent times in the time line (Jedivssithforever 19:01, June 2, 2010 (UTC))

Llokay and YevraEdit

I added them because the Path of Destruction clearly says that they all were promoted to the rank of the dark lord.--ScorpiO 08:48, May 30, 2010 (UTC)

found another sith lord that was left off the list Edit

Hey guys I found another sith lord that was left off the list: Quorlac Fornayh . According to his article: Quorlac Fornayh was a near-Human Sith Lord who participated in the New Sith Wars. Hope this helps thanks (Jedivssithforever 06:14, June 5, 2010 (UTC))

Found another sith lord left off the list and another note Edit

Hey guys I just found another sith lord that was left off the list. http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Borthis his article states: Borthis was a Sith Lord in the Brotherhood of Darkness who served as an instructor at the Sith Academy on Korriban. Borthis was eventually called away to Ruusan to combat the Army of Light, where the Sith Lord's life would come to an end. the source according to the article is: Darth Bane: Path of Destruction. Also what about Janton Belos and Valik Kodank their articles state that they were sith lords as well. Unless they these two are not C-cannon? If I think of anything else I'll post it here thanks (Jedivssithforever 02:01, June 7, 2010 (UTC))

Order of listed Sith Lords Edit

What are the reasons for having the Sith Lords in each Sith Order arranged as such? Shouldn't they be arranged by time of existence in that Order, and by the time they ruled as a Sith leader (if they ever became a Sith leader). Then listing those with unknown time periods within that Order at the bottom of the list for that Order.

For example, what we have now for ancient Sith is this:

Why can't it be like this:

It would make a lot more sense to me. —Obi–wan Jacobi Jedi Symbol Dark Chrome (Talk) 04:59, June 24, 2010 (UTC)

Changed Caedus' picture Edit

I changed his picture to one that shows him how he looked as a Sith, the other one didn't really seem right for this article. Holocron Greatholocron (Complain) 11:18, September 24, 2010 (UTC)

Order of the Sith Lords Edit

I agree with Obi-Wan Jacobi This page really needs to be in some sort of chronilogical order. Flyn Arc Sidiouslightsaberside 20:14, September 26, 2010 (UTC)


Shouldn't Darth Plagueis precede Darth Venamis in the listing? If Venamis had in fact been trained first, then his title of Sith Lord would have been legitimate. --Light burns out; darkness is eternal. (talk) 02:27, June 29, 2012 (UTC)

What about Darth Vectivus?Edit

How should he be listed? He is a Sith Lord and Dark Lord of the Sith. He was not evil and didn't do anything interesting. He was not part of any organization. WIERDGREENMAN 00:23, October 20, 2010 (UTC) And what's the Interregnum?

Dark Council Edit

Resurgent Sith Empire:

Darth Angral, Darth Baras, Calypho, Darth Chratis, Ekage, Sith Emperor, Darth Howl, Darth Malgus, Malichose, Darth Marr, Nankrang, Darth Thanaton, Darth Vowrawn,


Where is Darth Jadus?? He is, according to the link for the Dark Council, one of the 12, but he's not in the list and someone, don't know who, is there instead (my guess). please correct this error, thank you.

Fallerup 04:59, February 12, 2011 (UTC)

M'Lady Edit

We bold the leading dark lords, could we italicize dark ladies? and bold those that lead? it would be of great help for people wanting to know about these femme-fatales. (that would be me)Gnost-Dural| Hands off the holocrons, THEY'RE MINE!! 00:54, February 16, 2011 (UTC)

First pararaph re-write Edit

As it stands, the first paragraph is horribly convoluted, so I'm going to reword it be a bit easier to read, and feel less like a bunch of run-on sentences. Specifically, I'm changing this part:

"Before Darth Bane established the Rule of Two, The Brotherhood of Darkness made all force-sensitive members Sith after training them, to make the members believe themselves to be equal. This strategy was created to prevent the Sith from killing each other, which is the natural order of the dark side of the force, thus violating the natural order. Bane saw this and cleansed the order by killing all of the order and created the Rule of Two; two Sith, one master to embody the power and one to crave it."

And replacing it with this:

"Before Darth Bane established the Rule of Two, The Brotherhood of Darkness gave all Sith Lords nominal equal status among the Sith. This strategy was created to prevent the Sith from killing each other, which had been the natural order of the dark side up until the formation of the Brotherhood. Bane saw this as a violation of the natural order of the Sith and cleansed the Order by destroying Lord Kaan's Brotherhood and supplanting it with his own Rule of Two; two Sith, one master to embody the power and one to crave it."

If anyone disagrees or feels like it could be better yet, please feel free to let me know. Amethyst 21:00, April 22, 2011 (UTC)

Vestara Khai Edit

Should Vestara Khai be added in time since she was elevated to the rank of Sith Lord/Lady by Ship in Apocalypse. --Senjuto 13:54, April 11, 2012 (UTC)


-Sure, Whatever. I guess she makes the list. Badinkadink 20:23, May 3, 2012 (UTC)

Darth vs Lord Edit

I came to this page trying to figure out the difference between a Darth and a Lord in the SWTOR Cold War era, but what I found confused the matter more. In the MMO, a Sith Warrior first becomes a Lord and then a Darth at the game's climax, suggesting a Lord is equal to a Jedi Knight, whereas a Darth is equal to a Jedi Master.

However, this article reads that the Lords are the best of the Darths, rather than a Darth being the best of the Lords.

Is this another matter of canon information being messed with for the sake of game mechanics or was there a different system in place during that time period that the article does not mention? Is there a different classification for "Lords" vs "Dark Lords of the Sith"? Can anyone more informed clarify please?

Ahh....a few things on this. Lord/Darth and Knight/Master are in no way intended to be equivalents, so you can go ahead and throw that perception right out. The positions aren't meant to be analogues of one another. Where you do find an analogue is later on in the Rise of the Empire era after the enacting of the Rule of Two; at that point the Sith hierarchy became Master/Apprentice, which is much more comparable to Master or Knight/Padawan.
The issue is also complicated by varying meaning depending on what era you're in, in addition to recent publications. For the longest time, Naga Sadow was simply the dark lord of the Sith Empire, but with the publication of The Essential Guide to Warfare a few months ago, the writers (inexplicably) made him a Darth, with no elaboration or explanation whatsoever. Fast forward a thousand years to the KOTOR era and Darths are the ones ruling over the entirety of the darksiders (Revan/Malak, Nihilus/Sion/Traya). Move up another 300 years to the TOR era and it shifts again–a Lord is a person of importance, who reports to a Darth. Darths, meanwhile, hold positions of very high importance (ie: they're members of the Dark Council, or direct servants of Dark Councilors). Shift forward again to the New Sith Wars and the Darth title mostly disappears, as the Brotherhood of Darkness generally uses "Lord" for its supreme rulers. At least, he does until Darth Bane comes along and founds the Rule of Two, at which point "Darth" becomes the sole title for all Sith, both Master and Apprentice. — DigiFluid(Whine here) 12:56, June 26, 2012 (UTC)

I did a major edit to this article and added a ton of new sith lords. I fixed it all up.--^Vitiate^ (talk) 14:20, July 26, 2012 (UTC)^Vitiate^

The number of imagesEdit

I noticed Cade Calrayn recently undoing revisions that saw added several new images to the article; taking a look at the article (even with those removed) there still seems to be *far* more images than I ever remember. Looking at the article's history it seems that ^Vitiate^ has added most, if not all of these new images. Is it possible to slim down the numbers once again? Perhaps, in line with the number back in July? Alexsau1991 (talk page) Goddammit 22:35, September 14, 2012 (UTC)

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