Contents 1 Atton Rand 2 Note 3 Force Camouflage/stealth field generator 4 Something Weird 5 Pic 6 Elite Sith Assassin 7 Atton was a commando of sorts, not a force user 8 Sith Assasins, Force Generators? 9 Sion and Nihilus 10 Mamoru Oshiis: kerberos panzer cops face mask 11 New images are necessary! 12 Not the same group

Atton RandEdit

I am getting tired of fixing this error. Atton Rand was NOT a Sith assassin nor was he even related to them. According to his own conversations, he was part of the Sith special forces and he just happened to be good at killing Jedi. He may have been about to have been recruited into their ranks because he was force sensitive, but that is entirely irrelevant. Please read Chronicles of the Old Republic before changing this again. It explains the entire history and makeup of the Sith assassins. --Sentry 22:42, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

For crying out loud! This is my argument, and please hear me out: The Sith had a few elite forces, such as the red troopers. However, it is apparent to me that said red troopers were used in conventionel warfare, mainly with the main Republic armies. However, Atton himself says that his unit was formed SPECIFICALLY to remove Jedi via either breaking them in or killing them. When he describes the tactics they used, he said something like "People say that killing Jedi is hard. It's not. You just have to be smart about it. NO BLASTERS. No getting close to them. No attacking them directly when you can gun down their allies instead (yes, I am aware of the fact that these are contradictions to a point, but I think he means you whack the soldiers using whatever you wish, but when facing the Jedi, you use melee weapons, after all, during the Telos IV battle you see assasins carrying blasters)."

Yes this is open for debate, as one point (the blasters quote) is for the Atton-SA link and the other one (the Getting close) is against. However, I have yet to see anyone with a blaster take down a Jedi, ingame or out (except of course the Temple slaughter at the end of Episode III but that was due to the fact that 1. The Clones used fast-firing blaster rifles and 2. It looks like there were 4-8 for one Jedi, so they could not deflect that fast) and so I belive that they would have to remove him using close combat. And no, you saying that he might have been recruited into their ranks because he was force sensitive is, quite frankly, forgetting one simple fact: If the Sith knew he was more force sensitive than John Schmoe the first thing they would have done is haul him off to one of their charming vacation spots like Korriban to begin the brutal process of "breaking him in" to make him a Dark Jedi. As Atton himself makes clear when you are talking about the Sith/Deserter/Female Jedi line of disscussion that they remained unaware of his affinity for the force and thus never tried to break him.

Another interesting tidbit is the "Pazzack in your Mind" incident, where he is actively trying to prevent the other force sensitives on the ship from learning his bloody, ugly, dark secrets by doing a variety of things in his head, like listing off obsolete, out-of the way hyperspace routes and, most obviously, playing Pazzack with his imagination. When confronted about this, he says something to the tune of "When a force user tries to draw with the force against you, play pazzak, list hyperspace routes. Then, when they try to grab you, they find the job is that much harder." and "All Jedi, Light or Dark, like to get inside your mind, find your dark secrets, and use them to hold you by the throat." Now, I may be wrong here, but I SEVERLY doubt that he developed this strategy simply from his time with everyone's favorite lovable witch poking through his head. His strategy implies familiarity to a great extent of the Jedi, as most Sith conscripts and soldiers would fight the war out to their various ends without seeing a Jedi, and if they did, it was probaly their commanders. Very, very few would have seen many opposing Jedi, and yet Atton develops a plan that counters most if not all! Yes, it is true that his unit would see a lot of Jedi either way, but what I want to get straight is that (and this may only be me) that Sith Assasins if they are force users should be quite a bit harder to nail with force powers than Pvt. Yourname of the Vakluist Seps? Again, I may be the only one here, so please tell me if so.

Another thing is that I have yet to see even one SA use a force power for any reason whatsoever. Yes, I know it is one of the major presitge classes, but I have yet to see any evidence whatsoever that the SA's are all force-sensitive. Let's face it: everything they do in the game is easily accomplishable using equipment anyone (within reason) can use. The Vanish/reapear act: The commone everyday stealth generator. The weapons: Force Pikes, which I belive can be used by anyone. The Sith Masks? Common. As a matter of fact the absolutly only evidence that the SA's are force sensitive comes form Kreia when you are discussing the Lord of Hunger (damn, I can never remember how to spell his actual name) after Visas comes. She says something about how Nilithus can "eat" life "The sect of assasins that follows you also draws from the force. He is merely what they can become with time." and "They too feed off the force. The stronger you become, the more will follow." Now, before anyone gets into Kreia and how often she lies, I am going to say this: she is a manipulative, cunning person, but to me she seems to be telling us the 100% truth about the LOH. She does also seem to have a genuine desire to have Nilithus and his assasins destroyed. That said, please note the word SECT. I could be wrong, but wouldn't sect imply only part of the whole SA? And in case it doesn't than to what extent do they feed of it? I could be wrong, but it just seems that the average Human/Rodian/Toydarian/Whatever does feed on the force to survive, though I could be wrong, and since everyone has the force, does that not mean there is plenty of force feeders? Again, correct me if I am wrong, it is just the way I interpreted it.

Also, it seems like they are too easy to be force users. I mean, come on! They get their asses kicked in biblical preportions in the Second Battle of Dxun Onderon Civil War (the first being killing the scouts with Kelborn) just trying to breach a base using a few thousand to try to overwhelm a opposing force of a couple dozen at most. Granted, the Exile and possibly other force users were there, but still they did not kill every single SA at that battle, and the Mandalorians did the obviously sucessful mop-up operation on their own. If there was even one Sith Apprentence, then a whole lot more Mandys would have been killed.

Also, a few SA do weild lightsabers, that I will not deny. However, I never was trying to say that all SA's are non-force sensitives. I merely was trying to say that some are.

So those are my arguments. If you have convincing proof from the book, I do not have it so please post it here. PS Not A Member. No Sig. —Unsigned comment by 71.146.133.208 (talk • contribs).

• Wow, that is a bloody massive block of text there... I don't mean to be harsh, but it seems that most of your evidence is little more than than conjecture based on game mechanics. In other words, I find your lack of authorized and verifiable evidence disturbing. Once again, I would suggest you read Chronicles of the Old Republic in order to find out all you need to know about the Sith Assassins. It states quite clearly that the Sith Assassins were force sensitives. I understand where you are coming from, but Atton Rand simply was not a Sith Assassin. He was a special forces trooper, specially trained for killing Jedi. Thats it... --Sentry 05:21, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
  • It strikes that slating someone else's points based on a source considered (check the article on it here that you linked to) 'marked by numerous minor continuity errors, perhaps due to textual compression. As such, they are widely considered to be not entirely reliable' seems a mite hypocritical, no offense intended. Surely it's not against the bounds to put a note in this article along the lines of 'although there is evidence against it, there is some basis for the idea that Atton Rand could once have been a Sith Assassin in the days before his meeting with the Exile'? It seems to me there's nothing to state conclusively either way. 172.213.242.20 20:38, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
    • I know what that article states. I wrote it. That article also clearly states that the Chronicles have been referred to as an official source by none other than Leland Chee on numerous occasions.
      By the way, there IS conclusive evidence that Atton was not a Sith Assassin. If you listen to his final influence conversation with the Exile, he will state that he was a member of the Sith special forces tasked with capturing Jedi. That is all that he was. He was a Sith and maybe you could call him an assassin, but the "Sith Assassins" were a specific group, not just a label for any Sith who killed Jedi.--Sentry ^[Talk] 07:24, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

Evidence:
selected quotations from Chronicles of the Old Republic - copyright LucasArts

Some pictures would be nice. Talk to Sikon, has says he has lots of Kotor ll pictures, maybe he can make an assassin stand still long enough to get a good picture of him. Varas Halcyon

NoteEdit

I've protected this page. Whenever the edit wars have ended and the parties reached a conclusion, contact me or another admin to unlock it. Kuralyov 22:07, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

Force Camouflage/stealth field generatorEdit

I noticed in KotOR II that when the Sith Assassins were attacking the Dxun camp, there is a scene where the Assassins become visible again and fall down. A mandalorian then appears and says, "You didn't think you were the only one with stealth field generators, did you?" So, that makes it seem like they weren't using the Force to do it, although I think he could have just been referring to the fact that they could become invisible instead of having a mechanical generator. Hopefully someone can find evidence that they used Force Camouflage, because I think that is cooler than having a generator. --Jedimasterbob 13:29, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

Something WeirdEdit

Hasn't anyone noticed that Sith Assassins look a lot like Kroenen in the Hellboy movie. Darth Vatrir

PicEdit

Can we get a pic of an elite assassin--PyRo 14:33, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Elite Sith AssassinEdit

At the moment, when you type in Elite Sith Assassin in the search box, it redirects you to Sith Assassin. I was hoping to create a Elite Sith Assassin page, if anyone gives me a good reason not to in five days (I posted this message on Sunday) I'll not make the page.

Atton was a commando of sorts, not a force userEdit

What Atton was and 'sith assassin' are two different things.

People like Atton were people who didn't use the force (I remember hearing that the tactics they used to resist jedi would make it difficult to use the force themselves), and were tough ways to resist it and hunt down and kill/capture jedi.

The 'sith assassins' are a group of force users who were trained to feed off jedi and to use the force for stealth and tracking etc.

I think there should be two different articles. Atton didn't even know he could use the force until right before he quit and the sith assassins RELY on the force. (- -) 22:01, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

• maybe the sith assassins under Darth Sion used the force and the ones under Revan didn't. After all Saul Karath had an Assassins pistol, which doesn't sound like a KOTOR 2 assassin to me User:1705jallen

Sith Assasins, Force Generators?Edit

What was the pount of using a stealth genreator just to reveal your location three feet from them?

I think that the point of the whole 'reappearing' thing was the fact that this game is a turn-based rpg. The fact is, in a movie they would stay cloaked, but the gameplay denies the use of mechanics like this. For example, if the player (i.e. Jedi Exile) cloaks themselves, then the cloak is simply used to denote 'invisibility' but bot a one-hit kill effect. This would be pretty stupid if a cloaked Assassin could simply walk up to you and kill you.

Also, I think that they become invisinble as they approach you because since you have become force-sensitive, you would sense them as they grew closer to you. The cloaking would then be useless, whether or not they actually become visible is open for interpretation (also depending on the method of cloaking they use).

I also corrected the atrocious errors you made on the note. Cpettijohn93 18:59, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Sion and NihilusEdit

If you look closely, you'll notice that Sith Assassins working under Darth Sion have the strange masks with the strange red goggles, and the ones working for Nihilus had different masks. The "Sion" assassins appear at Peragus and the Harbinger, as well as the Trayus Academy, while the "Nihilus" ones appear on Dxun, Telos, and the Ravager. It would help if we got images of both variations. 71.34.157.193 19:07, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

I did that once, it got deleted for some reason.--Darth Dan 012 04:06, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Mamoru Oshiis: kerberos panzer cops face mask Edit

hey it looks like the face mask from kerberos panzer cops i mean look at it! i remarkably resembles Mamoru Oshiis kerberos panzer cops-Boba fett 32 23:34, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

New images are necessary! Edit

This article really needs some new images. Nihilus' Sith Assassins aren't even included, and the pic of Sion's is pretty lame. If no one else is up for it then I'll be glad to take some myself.--Darth Dan 012 04:26, July 29, 2010 (UTC)

Not the same group Edit

'Sith Assasin' is used too loosely in this article. This is a big problem. This article needs to be split in two, one for Revan's uniquely trained group that got annihilated by the Exile, and second, the ones from both the upcoming The Old Republic MMO and the Darth Bane books.

There was an specific organization that was taught a special technique to feed off of and detect force sensitives. They were part of that whole 'wound in the force' storyline from a game, a storyline that concluded, with them all DEAD. And then, there are various Sith Assasins used later on, after these were destroyed. Hence, they are not the same organization or tradition. Because The Old Republic MMO has Sith Assassin as a playable class, and the events of the Bane trilogy take place AFTER the game... They need their own article. (- -) 23:52, September 18, 2010 (UTC)

• Excuse me, this article is broken. An organization was annihilated from the face of the galaxy. Another one has the same name, but is not the same. You could argue that Clone Troopers and Stormtroopers are the same organization because there are many individuals who served their early years in the clone wars and later years during the empire, because it was a re-organization of the clone troopers. But there is NO ONE that served in both of these Sith assassin organizations! So, they both share the same article, whereas clones and stormtroopers are separate (- -) 19:24, October 3, 2010 (UTC)