Article milestones Date Process Result 2 November 2009 Featured article candidate Success 10 March 2010 Featured article
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Contents 1 Appearance 2 Title 3 Spelling 4 Mandalorian? 5 Translation 6 apperence in FoC? 7 Mistaken for Boba Fett 8 104 years old? 9 Point of View

AppearanceEdit

Appearances/sources would be helpful. --SparqMan 05:57, 8 May 2005 (UTC)

• The information and photo are from Star Wars Insider issue 80. -- Riffsyphon1024 06:07, 8 May 2005 (UTC)
• Alpha 02/Spar first appears in Geonosis and the Outer Rim Worlds as a defective and rogue ARC Trooper. The Mandalorian connection comes up in the aforementioned Insider. QuentinGeorge 06:51, 8 May 2005 (UTC)
  • By the way, the Insider issue mistakenly identifies the picture as being of Boba, but the author and artist state it was intended to be Spar. QuentinGeorge 06:52, 8 May 2005 (UTC)
    • Remember that they all look alike. -- Riffsyphon1024 01:10, 18 May 2005 (UTC)
      • Except the scarring is apparently consistent with something that happened to Alpha-Ø2, rather than the Sarlacc scarring that Boba got. JSarek 01:14, 18 May 2005 (UTC)

TitleEdit

Should this article be listed under the clone's Kaminoan designation (Alpha-Ø2), the name he later assumed (Spar), or the title he later acquired by resurrecting the Mandalorian Supercommandos (Mandalore the Resurrector)? I'm inclined to say Alpha-Ø2 - it's his "given name," so to speak, and how he's referred to throughout the Insider article. What is everyone else's opinion? JSarek 10:09, 8 May 2005 (UTC)

• Hmmm...I'm not sure. I suppose the precedent we have is Count Dooku, who is at that page rather than Darth Tyranus. Then again Padme is under her name of state, Padme Amidala, rather than her birth name Padme Naberrie.
• I would say that the real name should be used, except in cases where an alias is far more recognised- such as with Padme or Thrawn. --Fade 11:33, 8 May 2005 (UTC)

SpellingEdit

Are we sure that it's Alpha-Ø2? Is it possible that the sources were just using a funny-looking zero that happened to resemble the modified O used in some Scandinavian languages? — Silly Dan 05:27, 15 Jan 2006 (UTC)

• Well, technically there is only one Scandinavian language. :P Anyway, this is a simple case of source-checking; if Ø is used consistently we'll have our answer. --Imp 05:31, 15 Jan 2006 (UTC)
  • Actually, Scandinavian is more than one language. As far as the Ø is concerned, if it is an "O" it is probably more circular. Zeroes tend to be more of an oval. So whatever the source used, I'd say you could tell based on how circular the "o" part is.--DannyBoy7783 08:26, 15 Jan 2006 (UTC)
    • Ø on Wikipedia. It's from a few different languages, but the article doesn't give a meaning - Kwenn 09:31, 15 Jan 2006 (UTC)
      • Hmm, interesting. Admiral J. Nebulax 12:30, 15 Jan 2006 (UTC)
• Actually, Danny, Danish, Swedish and Norwegian are so similar that many linguists view them as one language. --Imp 13:35, 15 Jan 2006 (UTC)
  • Well, you're the Norwegian, you would know. Thanks for checking on this! — Silly Dan 14:09, 15 Jan 2006 (UTC)
    • Regardless, when Silly Dan said "Scandinavian" he was referring to the languages of the region of Europe that use that letter. I personally think it is a zero with a line through it but I'd have to see the actual article to be sure. A zero makes more sense. Someone is scanning the article for me in a few days. Not that my opinion is law or anything :) but I can weigh in better then.--DannyBoy7783 00:39, 16 Jan 2006 (UTC)
      • A zero does make more sense, but if it were a zero, it would be "Alpha-2". Admiral J. Nebulax 00:44, 16 Jan 2006 (UTC)
        • Not if they intended to make more than 10 in that series. — Silly Dan 00:50, 16 Jan 2006 (UTC)
          • That's true. Admiral J. Nebulax 00:56, 16 Jan 2006 (UTC)
            • I've been saying it in my head as Alpha Oh-Two. I think the special zero is there so it is said that way and not just Alpha-Two. Just my $0.02 --DannyBoy7783 01:06, 16 Jan 2006 (UTC)
              • Well, now that I think about it, he was probably originally "Alpha-02", but the "Ø" took the place of the "0" after he became a rogue clone. Admiral J. Nebulax 01:10, 16 Jan 2006 (UTC)
                • Doesn't make sense to me. 68.44.13.236 23:22, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
        • See also: Evangelion Unit 01, pronounced "Unit One" by all characters, at least in all official English translations. 68.44.13.236 23:22, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
          • What do you mean, "doesn't make sense to me"? —Grand Admiral J. Nebulax ^{(Imperial Holovision)} 00:27, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
            • Doesn't matter now, since apparently we have an official explanation. --68.44.13.236 16:08, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
• The "Ø" is probably just written that way, because it is a military designation of the number "zero," so as not to confuse it with the letter "O." I know, being in the military, they used to sometimes do the same thing. If an aircraft or piece of equipment has both the letter "O" and number "zero" in it, they would write the zero as "Ø," so it won't be confused. Growing up, that's how we were taught to write our zeros, as a Ø, as opposed to 0. So, it's normal to me. It may be personal preference, though, to the editor. I think they wrote it that way originally, when the article was first created, because that may be how it's written in the "History of the Mandalorian's" article in the Star Wars Insider. But, I'd have to dig it out and look to be for certain. — Sadriel Fett ^{(Mando'a) (Bounties)} 04:54, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Interesting. —Grand Admiral J. Nebulax ^{(Imperial Holovision)} 11:23, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
    • Abel chose that character deliberately and specifically. I don't have the time to find the original quote right now, but I quoted it in my first comment on this page: "That said, when I used the Ø character for Alpha-Ø2, I was going for image association. Given established naming conventions for ARC troopers, I wanted to establish visually that Spar was a defective clone. Ø works as a zero, but it also looks like any of a million signs that something is cancelled, illegal, or unlawful, “no smoking” signs being one of the most obvious examples." jSarek 11:34, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
      • So basically, if Spar didn't go rogue, he would have been Alpha-02. —Grand Admiral J. Nebulax ^{(Imperial Holovision)} 11:36, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Mandalorian? Edit

While all clone troopers have Mandalorian DNA and Alpha-Ø2 later joined the Mandalorians, is he really a Mandalorian in terms of categorization? --SparqMan 17:40, 1 Nov 2005 (UTC)

• He led the Mandalorians as Mandalore, so, yes. QuentinGeorge 20:06, 1 Nov 2005 (UTC)
  • Plus, as SparqMan said, he had Mandalorian DNA. Cmdr. J. Nebulax 21:01, 1 Nov 2005 (UTC)
    • Not that it actually matters. "Mandalorian" is a culture, not an ethnicity. Hence there being multiple species of Mandalorians. Anyone who considers him or herself a Mando and lives a Mando lifestyle is one. Red XIV 08:12, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Were ARCs growth accelerated? If so, he was the equivalent of 104 when he died!

• Actually, 104 years old in the Star Wars universe is not old. Admiral J. Nebulax 19:57, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
  • I was under the impression they were cracking down on that, and trying to lessen the amount of aberrant lifespans. As it is, the only non-forceful person approaching that methinks is Pellaeon.
    • Yes, that would be correct. Admiral J. Nebulax ^(talk) 17:25, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
      • Don't forget that Spar came to live in the Extrictarium Nebula, so his lifespan would have been greatly extended. Lieutenant Gerard 23:07, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
        • I suppose so, but dying at 104 years old still isn't old. Admiral J. Nebulax ^(talk) 23:55, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
          • See Truce at Bakura.--The Erl of the Spar ^{talk What I do} 00:33, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
            • For what? Admiral J. Nebulax ^{(Imperial Holovision)} 00:37, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

Translation Edit

I've added a Mando'a translation for "Mandalore the Resurrector". If it adds confusion to the growing list of names for Alpha-Ø2 then get rid of it... I guess.
Also, the translation might not be exactly correct. I've got it nearly correct for all the other Mandalores (with titles), but Alpha-Ø2's was certaintly the hardest. That translation literally means "The Spreading Mandalore", since Alpha-Ø2 "spread" the culture around, resurrecting it. Until Karen Traviss comes out with a translation for "resurrect", it'll have to do. She'd probably kill me if she saw that translation. Doran 01:27, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

• Or she might think that it was a good effort. I doubt that Karen Traviss would get mad at you. Admiral J. Nebulax ^(talk) 01:55, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
  • Actually, judging by her earlier responses as User:KarenTraviss she would probably be annoyed that it wasn't clearly marked as a fan translation. But that aside, we might want to note that it is a provisional fan translation or even put it in a BTS.--The Erl of the Spar ^{talk What I do} 00:35, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
    • Sure, that's fine. I just don't how you would go about doing that. If, for some reason, the translation is removed because it is fanon (or because this one in particular is a poor translation), I'm alright with that too. I'm surprised it lasted this long. Doran 20:31, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

apperence in FoC? Edit

When the Zann consortium does a piracy over mandalore and has to battle the Mandalorian clan leader (aka mandalore), so wouldn't that mean they fought against Spar? Sgt. Fenix 01:02, 16 December 2007 (UTC) No Spar stopped being Mandalore before the Clone Wars ended and Fenn Shysa is mandalore but it might mean it is a clan leader of a separate clan and all of mandalore like Clan Fett, Ordo, Skirata, Hokan.--DarmanRC1136 20:53, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Mistaken for Boba Fett Edit

Shouldn't it be somewhere in the article that the Mandalorian Protectors also mistook him for Boba Fett, or as they say in the Star Wars Insider article "the son of Jango Fett?" I know it's in the article that Ailyn Vel mistook him for Fett, but the whole point of retro fixing that and putting it in the Star Wars Insider article in the first place was because during Fenn Shysa's "recounting" to Princess Leia of the Clone Wars, he refers to their commander as Boba Fett, meaning they possibly believed he was Fett. Sadriel Fett 03:36, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

104 years old? Edit

• I think we should remove the bit saying that he was physically 104 years old when he died, due to Clone accelerated growth. Order 66: A Republic Commando Novel reveals that he had good relations with Clan Skirata, who developed a cure for the aging, which Jaing Skirata had used by 40 ABY. It is highly probable that Spar would also have received this cure. While there is no source that he actually did, so we can't state this, there is also no source stating that he hadn't and that he was physically 104. It is therefore speculation and should be removed --Jinzler 21:06, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
• Then remove it. IFYLOFD ^{(And now, young Skywalker, you will die.)} 21:08, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

Point of View Edit

The final paragraph, regarding the contributions of Order 66 and Revelation to Spar's story as problematic are not necessarily so. Spar was a figurehead for Shysa's movement as stated in the above sources, which also point out that this position was a secret. The secrecy behind this is a simple explanation for Shysa's support and presence. The mention of Shysa's role as a rumor in Galaxy at War actually strengthens this argument as that is written as a background for a common Protector, not someone who would be in on the secret. Likewise, the other two books are written from similar viewpoints. I believe Spar's history is less convoluted than it first appears.

I've been meaning to put in more time to research this but life has pulled me away for the time so I thought I would just mention this in case anyone else would like to take up the endeavor. RebelRogue 03:11, November 2, 2010 (UTC)