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EU history Edit

Ok in the opening description it says the EU is older then the movies. But then it goes on to say the EU first started in 1978 with the first novel "A Splinter in the Minds Eye" It then repeats this later in the article when it talks about the books. So which is it? Unsigned comment by 75.74.90.21 (talk • contribs).

Well, the novelization of Star Wars came out in '76. That may be what it's referring to. What I want to know is: it says Lucas prohibited stories taking place before ANH, yet the list of novels by release date lists at least 9 books written in that era, during the prohibition. 70.245.189.223 20:21, August 27, 2010 (UTC)

  • It's not made clear in the article, but at the time the Han Solo and Lando Calrissian Adventures were written, Lucas really didn't have anything in the way of policies dictating what could and couldn't be done in Star Wars productions. Those didn't start coming into being until Heir to the Empire jump-started the EU and made them necessary. The Han Solo trilogy is something of a special case, and largely exists specifically to help reconcile those earlier works with the later canon. Dangerdan97 20:55, August 27, 2010 (UTC)

Where did George Lucas establish that Darth plageius was a Muun species? Edit

Please post a quote from george lucas confirming what he said about darth plageius.

  • That it was George Lucas's idea was stated at a panel at Celebration IV. There is no quote from Lucas himself. NaruHina Talk Anakinsolo 03:01, December 2, 2012 (UTC)

Just a question, where does this idea come from that George Lucas thinks the EU is in a canon all of its own? Just asking because I have never found a source for it. Matt Seay (talk) 03:20, December 2, 2012 (UTC)

  • This is not the place to ask general questions. I answered the earlier question because it had implications for the article's content. Please take this question to the Knowledge Bank. NaruHina Talk Anakinsolo 03:25, December 2, 2012 (UTC)

Legends Edit

Should something be said in this article about how all EU thus far (at least anything post-ROTJ as far as I know) will now be under the Star Wars Legends banner? And how will this affect articles about characters such as Chewbacca or Luke as far as canonicity goes?

Yeah, seriously. 99% of the stuff on Wookieepedia just became non-canon. This is awesome! People are going to have to do some serious overhauling around here. 75.105.48.15 02:49, April 26, 2014 (UTC)

There's also the extreme option: fork Wookieepedia into two distinct wikis. That's how the Star Trek wiki does it: They have Memory Alpha for TV and film canon, and Memory Beta for their expanded universe. --86.164.55.135 13:59, April 26, 2014 (UTC)
Hey, guys. DarthJon has created a Senate Hall thread about how we should proceed --- since it will affect the entire site, it's probably better to discuss it there rather than on one article's talk page. Come on over! Menkooroo (talk) 15:15, April 26, 2014 (UTC)

Reverts Edit

There a few falsehoods in the lead. It seems people are misinterpreting this: "While the universe that readers knew is changing, it is not being discarded. Creators of new Star Wars entertainment have full access to the rich content of the Expanded Universe." Adamwankenobi (talk) 20:19, April 26, 2014 (UTC)

  • You're mistaken. Jennifer Heddle has quite clearly declared most of the EU non-canon. "full access" means that the EU's essentially like S/N-canon—it doesn't exist until someone references something, and then that element is canon. Cade StupidRepublicEmblem-Traced-TORkit Calrayn 20:26, April 26, 2014 (UTC)
    • Oh sorry about that, I didn't know she was part of the story group. Adamwankenobi (talk) 20:30, April 26, 2014 (UTC)

Well, she's not, but she is the senior editor. She does have some say.Conner itsatrap (talk) 23:44, April 26, 2014 (UTC)

How about you just ignore the legends crap and continue as usual? There is literally no reason to give heed to these people. This is a fan site after all. --Special:Contributions 07:49, June 10, 2014 (UTC)

  • and yet they've done exactly that, how annoying. ----Gboy4 (talk) 16:08, August 20, 2014 (UTC)
    • It's a fan site that documents information objectively. We don't add our opinions to this. - Brandon Rhea(talk) 16:20, August 20, 2014 (UTC)
      • This isn't a fan site, it's a corporate tool. --Gboy4 (talk) 17:10, August 20, 2014 (UTC)
        • ...right. This is now off-topic, so let's end this here. Thanks. - Brandon Rhea(talk) 17:15, August 20, 2014 (UTC)

Motion to change article name Edit

Like I said in my headline, I think it would be best since the EU essentially no longer exists. We have Legends and canon based on the April 25, 2014 announcement. I do not know exactly how to officially make a motion but this was my best bet. I'm also aware that this probably won't happen and I'll get shot down (again). But any who... I make the motion to change the name of this article. --Darth R2-D2, Dark Lord of the Droids (talk) 20:37, May 12, 2014 (UTC)

  • I'm split on this. I would have to see arguments from both sides. Fe Nite (talk) 19:15, May 16, 2014 (UTC)
  • I think we should have a page for both. The EU page should in-depthly explain the EU origins, and the levels of canon that are now obsolete. Then, have a Legends page to show the current split timeline that has been created, explaining that.Unsigned comment by Dentface (talk • contribs).
    • This is old but I figured it warranted a response in case anyone else had any questions. Long story short, the above proposal would be inaccurate. There is no "split timeline." The idea of a Legends continuity is specific to Wookieepedia; it's not a real, official continuity. Legends and the Expanded Universe are the same thing, with Legends being the new branding/name for the EU. It wouldn't be accurate to split it as if it's two separate topics. - Brandon Rhea(talk) 16:24, August 20, 2014 (UTC)

Changes to the introduction Edit

Since I can't edit it myself, I figured I would make minor changes to the introduction paragraph.

Star Wars Legends, also known as the Expanded Universe or EU for short encompasses the officially licensed, fictional background of the Star Wars universe, outside of the Star Wars films produced Lucasfilm Ltd and the television shows The Clone Wars created before the 2014 reboot. It is derived from and includes most official Star Wars-related books, comic books, video games, spin-off films, television series, toys, and other media. This material expands and continues the stories told in the films, taking place anywhere from over 36,000 years before The Phantom Menace to 134 years after Return of the Jedi.

(A note section could be made, stating the the Star Wars: Old Republic new content after 2014 will still be non-canon.)

I assume the Canon section needs a rewrite, but that would be for more active members. Oldag07 (talk) 18:52, August 23, 2014 (UTC)

The End?Edit

  • Are they now preventing any future Legends Novels/Comics/Games from being released? Is it the canceling of the New Republic and Legacy Eras? Is it...The end? 66.172.164.6 21:02, October 7, 2014 (UTC) Person who is concerned

Anything after April 2014 is in the new canon. They are re-releasing things under the Legends banner but they are focusing on new canon now. Matt Seay (talk) 21:08, October 7, 2014 (UTC)

  • So no more Legends stuff is gonna be made? 66.172.164.6 21:10, October 7, 2014 (UTC) Person who is even more concerned.
    • As of now, there are no plans for new Legends materials. Lucasfilm is focused on canonical stories. - Brandon Rhea(talk) 21:36, October 7, 2014 (UTC)
      • Although to be fair, there are still Legends products that are being released for the time being, just because they didn't cancel those works that were planned for release before the Big Announcement. Those grandfathered works include the Fantasy Flight Games, the Imperial Handbook and, presumably, SWTOR. --Lelal Mekha Old Republic military symbol (Audience Room) 21:39, October 7, 2014 (UTC)
        • Also included are certain non-canon titles that were released under Legends, i.e. LEGO Star Wars, Jeffrey Brown's Darth Vader and Son and Jedi Academy books, etc. These titles were never considered canon, but clearly continue to reference ideas and situations of Legends that don't fit with the new continuity. ProfessorTofty (talk) 02:33, November 10, 2014 (UTC)

Legends=Canon Edit

Hey, should we try to explain this a bit better to calm down some people who are flipping out? From what I am reading on different online sources and forums, the Legends series can still be considered canon by fans as long as it doesn't conflict with things that come out after April 25th, 2014.

Since Lucasfilm is allowing any and everything that has already been published to be used as a source and reused in later materials, wouldn't that still be considered canon, albeit a lesser canon like we original had?

I think what I am asking is this: should we refrain from labeling the entire Legends as non canon, but instead consider it as less important than the new material? It would probably be more clear if we only "non canonized" material that is directly conflicted with the new eu. For example, we can consider that Knights of the old Republic still happened until something in the new material overrules it.

I hope you guys get what I am suggesting. I am by no means suggesting that we overrule what Lucasfilm is saying, but instead refrain from calling something "non canon" until new material makes it so. Because as I can see, Wookiepedia is the only site that straight up calls the old EU non canon. --Rprince418 (talk) 18:04, December 1, 2014 (UTC)

To better clear up what I am saying, I found this forum (which I was not a part of) describing my same beliefs: [1]--Rprince418 (talk) 18:08, December 1, 2014 (UTC)
It's explicitly non-canon. The idea of fans considering it canon until it contradicts something else is something fans can certainly do if they want, but it's not the official stance. - Brandon Rhea(talk) 18:13, December 1, 2014 (UTC)
I should clarify: I am not an EU fan myself. I have only ever seen the films. But in doing the research on this, I have not once seen them say that the events did not happen and have not seen them use the words "non canon." Instead I have seen them attempt to sell the Legends brand as a lesser canon or "source" if you will. I can link a few sources if you want where they claim that all events can be mentioned again.
Like I said, I am not saying overrule what they say. I am saying that for the sake of article neutrality, until we hear the words "non canon" come out of their mouth, we should avoid the subject all together and just state that previous works are being published as Legends. We should avoid using the term "non canon" itself.--Rprince418 (talk) 18:19, December 1, 2014 (UTC)
They already have said it's non-canon. ProfessorTofty (talk) 22:33, December 13, 2014 (UTC)

T Canon Edit

"Only Star Wars The Clone Wars?" When talking about the New Star Wars Canon, at least get it right. Can somebody add Star Wars Rebels to T-Canon in the Canon section of this page? Unsigned comment by 86.46.227.93 (talk • contribs).

  • Good question. Star Wars Rebels was released after the dissolution of the canon hierarchy described on this page. Rebels was never considered T-canon, as it aired only when there was one unified canon, so it doesn't have any relevance to the section you referred to. - Brandon Rhea(talk) 20:11, February 5, 2015 (UTC)

Is the main quote even appropriate?Edit

It sound like Lucas was actually saying "while I didn't write those stories, they're definitely part of the universe", but then, the article says that none of it is canon anymore, so is it appropriate to use a quote that contradicts the article?--Fekyu 12:42, May 30, 2015 (UTC)

Dashade error Edit

Part of this article suggests that George told those making the SOTE story to base Xizor off the Dashade species, which appeared in some form in the Holiday Special. The only source it uses to back up this claim is a link to the old Databank's Dashade article, which brings up nothing about George influencing this.

I'd assume whoever put this here assumed George had something to do with this, thinking that he was super-involved in the making of SOTE (from that one New Yorker article with a lot of inaccuracies in it), despite Steve Perry, who helped generate this story, never meeting or interacting with Lucas, other than an autograph when he sent a copy of the book to him.

Board and Roleplaying Games Edit

No mention in the Board and Roleplaying Games section of the Decipher SWCCG or the Wizards of the Coast TCG? Seems an oversight to only include the most recent card game.

Shocho (talk) 15:16, May 22, 2017 (UTC)

Changing tab to Disney Canon vs Lucas Canon? Edit

Change from Legends to "Lucas Canon". As there has been a controversy among fans and the old EU authors in the consideration of Disney's Canon vs. the old EU. Should Legends be changed to Lucas Canon to represent the divide of views towards canon and not to show any particular bias towards one school of thought on Canon? Unsigned comment by Buddydog262 (talk • contribs).

  • No. Disney owns the franchise, and has determined what canon is—we fans don't get a say in that. And they have established that the official branding for the old Expanded Universe is now Legends. The way the tabs are currently named is correct. — DigiFluid(Whine here) 00:32, April 9, 2018 (UTC)
    • I 100% second DigiFluid, also I'm not sure what you mean by "Lucas canon." From what I understand it, George Lucas' continuity was always referred to as G-Canon, and that's basically the continuity Disney pushed forward on (which was basically the films and the clone wars)--Vitus InfinitusTalk 00:35, April 9, 2018 (UTC)