Talk:Stormtrooper armor

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Contents 1 Effectiveness 2 Waste of Time 3 Battlefront II Quote 4 Thermal Detonator 5 Defence from harsh environments? 6 Comparison between Palpatine's era and Legacy designs 7 Real World Comparison 8 Appearances 9 Phase III clone trooper armor 10 Phase III Clone Trooper Armor? 11 Medium Armor? 12 Force Unleashed 13 The Helmet 14 The effectiveness of this armor 15 Symbols on the back of the armor? 16 Question 17 Stormtrooper Power Supply

[edit] Effectiveness

• If the Stormtroopers were so well trained, why do they suffer from "Movie Bad Guy Syndrome," where no amount of armor or training will prevent them from getting killed by the heros. 68.189.72.152 15:50, 30 Sep 2005 (UTC)

• We've got an article about this: Stormtrooper effect. Anyways, I don't think it's very possible to get blaster-proof armor, since a full-power blaster shot is quite damaging, as demonstrated in The Hutt Gambit and the A New Hope novelization. Thus, stormtrooper armor is only supposed to provide protection from shrapnel, bullets, stun beams and the like. The real question is how they've been killed by spears.-LtNOWIS 23:55, 30 Sep 2005 (UTC)
• Lucy Lawless: "Whenever you notice something like that, a wizard did it." —Darth Culator 02:50, 1 Oct 2005 (UTC)
  • Most of the time in the movies, they've been ordered not to put up much of a fight, to allow the Rebel heros to "escape" (from the DS, so they could track them. From Bespin, so the Executor could catch them, if they first broke out from their escort). The EU simply built upon the brain-bug that the ST were "stoopid". And the spears and arrows hit the black bodyglove underneath the armor, in the cracks between armor-plates. You even see arrows bouncing off the armor to prove this point. VT-16 23:37, 2 Dec 2005 (UTC)
    • I'm aware of the explanations for the movies and the Battle of Endor. But a wooden spear penetrates the white part of stormtrooper armor in the Battle of Maridun, shown in Star Wars Empire 18: To the Last Man, Part 3. The Amanin are probably quite strong, but it's still pretty implausible. The blow was in the square dealie in the back of the armor[1], which might be a weak spot. I can scan the comic if necessary.-LtNOWIS 03:52, 3 Dec 2005 (UTC)
      • Yep, I've read that story and remember those penetrating spears. Will have to ask someone more knowledgable of armor, to see if this is an error (in the context of IU laws and RL armor). Though those Amanin do have big, powerful arms... ;P VT-16 22:14, 8 Dec 2005 (UTC)

• I've got a theory about this actually. It's merely a theory and not backed up by any sources so I'm putting it here in discussion. Basically it goes like this: Some storm troopers are clones, produced by the few remaining cloning tanks from Kamino. These are the ones that can aim, have the high quality blaster proof armor and blasters that can shoot straight and are generally feared throughout the galaxy. The Clone Storm Troopers are sent to the hotspots of the galaxy to put down insurgency and enforce order on hostile planets. The majority of the stormtroopers aren't though. Clones are expensive, recruits are not. The Non-Clone-Troopers are put through a minimal amount of training to look like troopers, follow orders and stand in straight lines and are then equipped with cheap armor and low quality weapons and sent to maintain a presence on subjugated worlds or worlds where expensive troops would be wasted (IE Tattooine). The Death Star troops would be NCTs, because there is no need for a standing army on the DS, if it showing up in your sky doesn't convince the planet to straighten up and fly right what are a handful of troopers going to do? There is minimal need for elite interior security due to the difficulty in getting any sizable enemy force aboard the station any unknown ship large enough to carry a boarding party approaching the DS would likely be obliterated by the surface weapons. The big flaw in this theory is Endor, where The Emperor had supposedly stationed his elite ground troops only to have them severly whipped by teddy bears.--Anon80

Don't the stormtroopers also carry a thermal detonator on their belts??? -- TS-1138

• Yeah, I added them. They were the cylinders on the back of the belt. -LtNOWIS 22:33, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Waste of Time

Why try to quantify writing? The stormtroopers miss when they do because it's necessary for the plot, not because they're bad shots, use bad gear, or any other nonsense. Character shields like this are seen in almost EVERY movie involving armed gunmen. If you must comment on the "Stormtrooper Effect," one should probably just sum it up to the "Will of the Force," rather than silliness about bad crystals or poor helmets. That nonsense simply demeans the villains even further.

[edit] Battlefront II Quote

Everyone okay with the quote on the front page? It's from Battlefront II, and I think it's humorous and accurate. Cutch 01:44, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

• I love the quotes in that game. Revan 01:18, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thermal Detonator

Thermal Detonators are HIGHLY unstable... if Stormtroopers would carry them on an even halfway regular basis, we'd probably have a whole bunch of rather amusing incidents (for the rebllion). Stormtroopers would likely go nowhere near a Thermal Detonator. They did carry certain grenades (usually fragmentation grenades) however as explained in the general Stormtrooper article.

• Actually, some detonators were less unstable, apparantly. The Class E was apparantly something of a frag grenade-thermal det hybrid, which I guess explains how thermal detanators are always used as typical grenades in various games. Although the ones from the visual dictionary weren't of that type. -LtNOWIS 03:52, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Defence from harsh environments?

If you look at the onscreen evidence, stormtrooper armor has VERY little environmental protection.

http://www.st-v-sw.net/STSWtrooparmor.html

He's taking things that are probably minor mistakes in the movie and throwing them around as glaring canon or something. In all the sources I've read that discuss it, the armor is environmentally protective. And Luke might not have sealed the helmet correctly, how often do you think he wore Stormtrooper armor? 68.127.36.82 01:50, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

I would do it if I knew how, but can someone please link the Brittish spelling to this article? Icarus 21:10, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Comparison between Palpatine's era and Legacy designs

A Legacy concept artist posted a link to an image [2] on TFN [3]. Can we insert it into the article somewhere? - Sikon 17:15, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Real World Comparison

Heres a thought: plastoid sounds like it might be similar to a plastic-like compound. A real world plastic that is used for protection against firearms is "Kevlar", used in body armor for soldiers and police officers around the world. Kevlar is a more durable form of plastic. The similarities between the uses of plastoid and kevlar are very coincidential. Plastoid is used to stop slugs (similar to bullets.)Now, I don't know what the policy is on this, but perhaps a subesction of "Behind the Scenes" could be added stating the similarities of this.--LtCol. JuiceStain 01:36, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

• I agree a real world comperison would be useful. -- Awar 07:55, 23 May 2007 (UTC).
  • Glad I'm not the only one who feels this way, Darth Awar. Glad you got my back.--LtCol. JuiceStain 22:10, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
    • Not completely true. I read up on stormtrooper armor on StarDestroyer.net. Kevlar is the real-life equivalent of plastoid IE: It will stop most shots but not a direct hit, and cannot be relied upon at point-blank range. Now, I realize that Michael Wong is not the world's leading expert on body armor, but I'm inclined to agree with him on this count.--The All-knowing Sith'ari 18:18, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Appearances

Why are RotS and Dark Lord listed? Those didn't have modern stormie armor, but instead had them wearing the Clone Wars-era Phase II armor. We need to of those, and any other appearances that didn't actually have the armor.-LtNOWIS 09:45, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

• I agree. Stormtrooper armor / Phase III doesn't exist in ROTS or Dark Lord. If there are no objects I'll change the appearances (unless somebody else does it first). Niirfa-sa 04:52, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Phase III clone trooper armor

Phase III clone trooper armor links to this article. If anyone can confirm that this is another name for stormtrooper armor, then we should mention this in the article, as it suggests that the armor was originally designed with clone troopers in mind. --Tom rules 23:21, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Phase III Clone Trooper Armor?

According to The New Essential Guide to Weapons and Technology, the primary manufacturer (and presumably the designer) of "Imperial Stormtrooper Armor" is the Imperial Department of Military Research. Because clone troopers were re-named stormtroopers when the Empire was created and the IMPERIAL Department of Military Research could only have been created AFTER the Empire existed, it makes sense that the armor was designed specifically for stormtroopers and not for clone troopers. I know this is primarily speculation, but between this and the fact that the term Phase III is rarely used, I would say it is fairly safe to say that stormtrooper armor was designed for stormtroopers.

Starknights88 23:38, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

• I agree after all all clone troopers where the same weight and height, so when they started to recuite instead of clone that meant different shapes, sizes, heights etc! ~ Awar 12:39, 29 May 2008 (UTC).

[edit] Medium Armor?

• Just noticed that this page is categorized as medium armor, as opposed to both phases of the clone trooper armor which is categorized as heavy. Is this just a categorization error or is there a source that states that stormtrooper armor is weaker than its predecessors? NighthawkLeader 08:02, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Force Unleashed

Should the armor worn by the stormtroopers in the introduction of the Force Unleashed (on Kashyyk) that appears to be a half-step between Phase II and Stormtrooper armor be mentioned/ pictured here?

• Actually, I've been wondering if I should create a separate page on the very Imperial stormtrooper you're referring to. In the game, they're called "Imperial Kashyyyk Troopers", but I don't know what they really are. Remember that these troopers were seen about nineteen years before the official Stormtrooper appearance was seen in A New Hope...

[edit] The Helmet

Clone trooper helmets have every advanced battle technology object in them that a soldier could wish for: blink-activated zoomable panoramic view, in-visor HUD, battlefield maps, comlinks, etc. Does a stormtrooper's helmet have as much technology in it as its clone trooper precedessor, or is it simply a wearable full-head comlink/oxygen mask?

• In the game Rebel Assault 2 has a section where you can see the view from inside a storm trooper helmet in low-light mode.212.50.134.58 04:47, September 20, 2009 (UTC)

[edit] The effectiveness of this armor

This stuff is crappy. I watched this video. One stormtrooper complained about the poor vision, while his partner complained about not being able to move his arms. The first says "Oh come on. They wouldn't have us wear this if it wasn't for our own protection." Later, theres these two scientists. They are looking a a stormtrooper armor set with a huge hole. One guy tells his partner to tell Vader on the ineffectiveness of the stuff, but the second dude dosen't want to get chokked. And no camo? CRAPPYNESS!!!!!

[edit] Symbols on the back of the armor?

Something that has been bugging me since my girlfriend pointed it out to me, there are quite clearly some sort of markings on the back of the stormtrooper armor. They appear to be either O11 or O and a roman numeral 2. Anybody have any clue what these represent?

[edit] Question

Why is it that the stormtrooper armor is said to "significantly" reduce blaster bolt reduction while the heavier and stronger phase I clone trooper armor is rediculed as a "body bucket"?71.34.173.197 23:07, September 4, 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Stormtrooper Power Supply

I have always wondered this. Where did the Stormtroopers get their power from? They apparently get power somehow because they use night vision and air modifiers during bio hazards. Thus the question, where does the power come from. Do they hook em' up to a machine, do they have a battery, or do they run on solar power.

Kotor Historian 13:49, November 12, 2009 (UTC)

• Shockingly, the answer to your question can be found in the article. --Imperialles 13:54, November 12, 2009 (UTC)