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I was under the impression that Sunry was guilty. He even admits it when you present the evidence, which presents somewhat of a moral dilemma for Revan. However, the Sith do go to the extra length of leaving the medal on the scene, which they stole from Sunry a while earlier. --Fade 01:06, 28 Nov 2005 (UTC)

  • Sunry was indeed guilty. The Sunry murder quest is perhaps the most ambiguous one in the game, difficult to resolve in light/dark side terms. Therefore I'm not sure which resolution to pick. - Sikon [Talk] 17:09, 1 Dec 2005 (UTC)

I was told to find more evidence in the Sith Embassy, but what's there now? This is after I cleaned it out already. --68.102.193.78 17:07, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

  • Wookieepedia is really not a place to ask such questions, you might try the BioWare forums instead. As I know, there is no evidence in the Sith Embassy. - Sikon [Talk] 18:10, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

I seem to see this as a "greater good" issue. Yes, Sunry did kill Elaasa, but he did it to stop her from gaining Republic intelligence. Also, she was a Dark Jedi, and one of them getting killed can only be a good thing. Also, if you do well, and I mean REALLY well, convincing everyone on the judgetable (including the prosith ones) than the Selkath not only hand Sunry a "innocent" verdict, they do hand out a guilty verdict... to the SITH for "framing" Sunry. The punishment is that they have to pay a percentage of the price for all Republic purchases on Manaan and a decrease in Kolto to the Sith. Naturally, these both hinder the Sith greatly, so I support the acquit Sunry side. ELV

  • You can't kill Dark Jedi and punish Sith just for them being Dark Jedi and Sith. - Sikon [Talk] 09:06, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

You are ignoring the fact that these types of operations were what was used to cripple Hitler's Germany in WWII, primarily in Neutral nations that were friendly to the Westerm Allies (I cannot find any rocords of the Soviets or Chinese doing it.) Naturally, sometimes it worked, sometimes it did not. However, it did give these neutral nations an excuse to cut down on exports of things like goods and Swedish Ore to the Germans. Again, it is not exactly honorable, but it did help greatly to hinder the Germn War industry, Again, Manaan is pure neutral one way or the other, not like Sweden or Norway, which had allied sympathey in general, but it still seems like the same grudged formula. ELV

  • I'm pretty sure it was the massive Soviet army that crippled Germany, not Allied secret agents sleeping with and then killing German secret agents. Kuralyov 18:11, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

Okay, maybe crippled is to strong a word. However, it is undoubtable that the disruptions caused by ore imports to Germany were VERY important to winning the war. Yes, SUnry killing Elassa is NOT going to win the war. What I was reffering to was the embargo the Selkath punch the Sith with on Kelto after they are found guily of "framing" Sunry. With decreased medical supplies and the Sith footing a percentage of the bill for all Republic purchases onplanet, the Sith are suddenly finding their medbays running short on Kelto in the midst of a major war and the Sith Commandos that used to travel in their nice fast ships are suddenly WALKING or RUNNING to the battle a few MILES away due to lack of funds. Again, I am purposfully exagerating that, but the choke on the Sith credits would hurt. Badly. As for the German question, thr point I was making was that the German War effort was badly hurt by things like these that were often NOT real, but were largly manufactured to give the Pro-Western neutrals an excuse to cut back on exporting ore to Germany. For example, a few thousand pounds of Swedish and Swiss ore missing on the mounthly import may not seem like much to you. However, considering that even with the conquest of most of Europe, Hitler only really could access precious few ore deposits, with most of them being in 1. The Ruhr Valley, and 2. Silesia. He did not have time to rebuild and get into operation the many mines he conquered because most of them ere destroyed and due to the uncommon and little-known fact that a miner cannot mine ore in Slovakia when he is freezing to death on the Ostfront or being hacked to shreads by Bren machineguns in North Africa. The cummulative amounts of ore Hitler lost due to these cutbacks both legit and manufactured would have allowed him to build an estimated additional 2,670 Pkv.IV Tiger Mrk.1's (yes that is one tank type( more commanly called the "Tiger" in addion to thousands of other tanks. Had this amount of firepower shown up at the Ost, I hate to speculate about a battle until it is fought out, but most likely the entire East Front would be marked by the Russian army crushing itself to death in a stampede to get away.

My point is that Sunry killing Elasaa is not as important in and of itself as the Kolto smackdown the Selkath lay on the Sith. FOR ONCE PLEASE LOOK AT THE BIGGER PICTURE AND NOT JUST WHAT HAPPENS TO REVAN DIRECTLY! ELV

  • ELV, to sign ur comments, type in four tildes (~) please. Marco Lam Jedi Order(Contact) 10:01, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

Court sidemission[]

Does anyone know the order to ask the judges to free sunry and charge the sith for the murder?

Guys and Girls,

Kindly do more research before judging, forgetten your first training? (The case during training, both are guilty). Sunry mentioned he killed her while she was sleeping, but the recordings shows he shot her from the back the moment he enters, obviously there is something behind it. Plus, don't forget, he mentioned something like, why would a beautiful young girl/women go after an old cripple man like him? That was a lot of sense and more since she was a Sith and a spy.

One thing about the recording is, is it a video recording??? Anyway, still Sunry did ADMIT he killed her, so he is STILL guilty of murder no matter what he says, especially he mentioned he kill her while she's asleep, there's no threat or anything. If you do a seach on Elassa, you'll notice that it's like what Sunry said, both of them were spies, she was send to investigate or get information from him and ON THE SAME DAY ITSELF, she was going to KILL HIM, the page mentioned it was in "unused game content" that Elassa wrote a datapad to her Sith Master that Sunry is of no use any longer and will execute him. So, if Sunry didn't kill her, he would've been killed instead. If both were to battle, it's pretty obvious who would've won. But, is Sunry STILL guilty? Well, logically, he didn't know she was going to kill him, and he mention he kill her while she was asleep. That's murder but then if he were to fight with her 1 on 1, it seems impossible to him anyway. So, what? Next, he mentioned he killed her while she was sleeping, BUT, if she has the intention to kill him, why would she went to sleep??? So, probably the recording were the truth instead. BUT, weren't Jedi/Sith suppose to have sense or something? Anyway, why would Sunry mention he kill her while she was sleeping, if he's lying, is he hiding/covering something? Perhaps they did fought over something, threaten, etc???

The Sith seems to know she would die since they planned very early to plant the medal or her dead body. There's something fishy about that too, why are they so confident that she would die instead of Sunry? Perhaps, they planned her to die and accused Sunry, thus accusing the Republic? And why are those recordings NOT deleted from the Republic computer, wait, let me rephrase, why should it be found on the Republic Computer and NOT the Sith Computer? Wierd, is there a spy and who? And the *mystery man*, is he with the Sith? Since he's hinting for the evidence...

Anyway, I really don't know what should be done, Sunry deserves a punishment but without affecting the Republic and benefiting the Sith, and some actions need to be taken since the Sith are part of the plan as well (bribe and plant the medal, sort of setting up the murder, and accoring to the datapad, Elassa was going to murder Sunry, etc), plus, there's a datapad regarding the Sith plan to take over Manaan, that's should be relate to this matter since with the accuse of Republic successful and perhaps removal of the Republic, it'll be easier for the Sith plan. So, it kinda make sense here where it's all part of the Sith BIG plan.

So, what should be done to Sunry's trial? I once decided to try to not helping Sunry during the Trial and keep hinting about the Sith's plan/actions on the murder (e.g. bribe and planting the medal, etc), trying to make Sunry get his punishment but not relating it to the Republic and accusing of the Sith's actions/plan, but it did not work, it only result in Sunry's life-term prison. Bastila wonders if that's justice and Jolee answers as if I failed the trial not knowing Sunry is guilty, so guess the game isn't as complete as it seems.

I read up story on this, it did not mention Revan found the recording, what Revan did was just help Sunry and freed him. Well, not sure whether he knows Sunry is guilty or not, BUT from the Stars Wars trilogy movie, in these situation the Jedi would make a decision best for everyone, obviously, knowing what the Sith planned and what that they're involved, it's no means to judge Sunry as guilty, altough there should be a punishment to him (well, he murders, cheat on his wife and lied). His lies could have a valid reason where if he told the truth, for sure as a Jedi would insist on him to confess and thus might not investigate further, but he should have trust the Jedi, discuss and investigate further sharing more information, moreover Jolee, being his friend.

By the way, in the game, whether Sunry is judge Guilty (death sentence or life-term prison) or Innocent, on the map West Central, on of the Republic soldier mentioned it was lucky that Sunry was freed else the Sith would've sent someone to kill him in the prison... Uh, why kill him? Revenge for the loss of Elassa? Kinda off ain't it? OR, could he be part of the Sith plan???

My 2 cents.

  • What in the blazes is this? - Sikon 08:31, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Most Canon Ending?[]

Quote: "It would seem most canon that Sunry was freed and not executed, given the fact that Bastila mentions; 'No one deserves execution, no matter what their crimes.'"

I'm going to edit this unless there are any objections, as the Jedi opinion has nothing to do with whether or not Sunry is to die. Holokin 03:51, 9 May 2008 (UTC)Holokin.

  • Bastila said that the Jedi don't believe in killing their prisoners. That's not the same with the other factions. So since the player gets Dark Side points if he tells Sunry he'll keep his secret, then I come to the conclusion that the canonical part would be the one where Revan is showing the recording to the judges. After all, "Jedi do not lie". Zaxnor 23:11, December 1, 2009 (UTC)

WHAT ACTUALLY happened[]

If you watch the recording of sunry killing elassa at the Republic Embassy, it describes an elderly man entering the aprtment and shooting elassa in the back. However, sunry said he killed elassa IN HER SLEEP. therefore, i belive that a sith assassin murdered elassa and then sunry shot her dead body, believing her to be asleep. there's no proof, but i think the theory is valid enough to be worth mentioning.

This isnt that difficult[]

This isnt that difficult. Sunry MURDERED Elassa. The greater good is not involved. Jedi are impartial, even when it comes to the Republic. In addition, promising to keep Sunry's secret nets Dark Side points, therefore, KEEPING SUNRY'S SECRET IS DARK SIDE. I propose changing all articles related to the Sunry Murder Trial to say that Revan revealed Sunry's crime. Give me an argument against it.

  • Well, in the end it doesn't matter what we think since The Complete Star Wars Encyclopedia states that Sunry was a victim of a Sith plot and that he was found innocent. It also says that Elassa's killer was never identified. Cylka-talk- 00:56, August 27, 2010 (UTC)

Really? I didnt know that, thanks. Now why dont we start confirming the canon on the other pages.

Wait, are you positive of this? Did you read it? Because Sunry isnt cited in the page on the encyclopedia.

  • Yes, I checked it myself. I'm a member of both the KotOR and the CSWE projects. Both projects are slowly working on updating the articles, but it will take some time since there is so much information. Cylka-talk- 02:00, August 27, 2010 (UTC)
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