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ROTJEdit

How come Michael A. Stackpole says that Tycho Celchu is not the pilot shown in Return of The Jedi; he says that Celchu is the second A-wing pilot ordered out of the Death Star. I'm asking this question because in Episode 6 only 2 fighters go out of the Death Star; the A-wing that Jake Farell is piloting, and a Y-wing, not a second A-wing that Tycho should be piloting. I was thinking that Tycho should have been the one in the A-wing while Farell was supposedly piloting the Y-wing, but then this idea is most likely wrong because Celchu is supposedly piloting the second fighter, which is the Y-wing.- Malak501 November 22 2006 (—Unsigned comment by 24.20.179.249 (talk • contribs).

Tycho joined Rogue Squadron and flew an A-Wing at the Battle of Endor.

A-Wings belonged to the Green Squadron. Is there a mistake now? Moff Rebus 21:48, 19 Jul 2005 (UTC)

  • Not exactly. Squadron assignments at the battle of Endor were a little odd; a number of Rogues were assigned to different squadrons (thus, along with Tycho in Green 3, fellow Rogues Kin Kian and Karie Neth were serving as gunners in Gray 1 and Gray 2, respectively). So, Tycho was a member of Rogue Squadron, but was piloting as a member of Green Squadron while at Endor. jSarek 05:43, 20 Jul 2005 (UTC)
— We have to remember that at Endor, the units were Groups, not squadrons. A Group constitutes several squadrons, probably four to six (based on the number of fighters at Battle of Endor). Rogue Squadron's members would have been amalgamated into a Group with other squadrons, but if they were divided up and put into seperate Groups, as you say, that would make sense as well. I've come to believe that Red Group was, in fact, comprised of different types of fighters (X-Wings, A-Wings), and that Tycho Celchu is the "Red Two" that Wedge calls out to, or refers to, at three points in the dialogue of the space battle. Each time Red Two is referenced, it is followed by a shot of an A-Wing. When he calls out to "Red Three", that too is followed by an A-Wing, but that A-Wing gets destroyed by a TIE Interceptor, and we hear no further references to a Red Three. When Wedge is in the midst of most of the space battle, we see an A-Wing close at hand, or out in front of him; indeed, it's an exceptionally good tactic for the faster, more nimble A-Wing to be out in front, "stirring up trouble" while the more heavily armed X-Wing trails behind, shooting interlopers off the A-Wing's tail. It seems to be a tactic that the Rogues might develop, given their elite, unconventional nature. So, I propose that Tycho was, in fact, Red Two in an A-Wing. -- Hawke / Rtufo 21:06, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

Who ever said Tycho went in the Death Star and broke off when order was wrong it was Jake Farrel -- Plokoon9619

Thats what im talking about. -- Plokoon9619

— No, correct Death Star. The "tunnel run" through the innards of the Second Death Star was commenced by six Rebel craft, in this flight order (as they went down the entrance) -- A-Wing (see above discussion... this is probably Tycho Celchu), X-Wing (Wedge), Milennium Falcon, A-Wing (Jake Farrel), Y-Wing (unknown), X-Wing (unknown). Since Lando ambiguously ordered, "Red Group, Gold Group, all fighters, follow me!", there is no way of knowing which fighters came from which unit, or that what we were looking at was all that remained of those groups. More than likely, those were the only fighters that could gain separation from the engagement and were available to make that run. In any case, it is "canon" that Tycho was in an A-Wing during this action, but that still leaves another A-Wing. It makes logical sense that the screen shot of the A-Wing pilot replying "Copy, Gold Leader" is the pilot of the second A-Wing, since at the instant Lando made the order, the lead A-Wing was already headed down the alternate tube. So, it's perfectly conceivable that the second A-Wing in the tunnel, trailing immediately the Falcon, was this Jake Farrel character. -- Hawke / Rtufo 21:06, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

Author Michael A. Stackpole, who created the character, has cleared this question up on his website [1]. 218.215.5.113 03:19, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

How come Michael A. Stackpole says that Tycho Celchu is not the pilot shown in Return of The Jedi; he says that Celchu is the second A-wing pilot ordered out of the Death Star. I'm asking this question because in Episode 6 only 2 fighters go out of the Death Star; the A-wing that Jake Farell is piloting, and a Y-wing, not a second A-wing that Tycho should be piloting. I was thinking that Tycho should have been the one in the A-wing while Farell was supposedly piloting the Y-wing, but then this idea is most likely wrong because Celchu is supposedly piloting the second fighter, which is the Y-wing.- Malak501 November 22 2006 (—Unsigned comment by 24.20.179.249 (talk • contribs).

Yeah, that's what happened. I just watched the movie and the running order is as follows, Wedge, Jake Farrel, Lando, Tycho, Unknown Y-wing pilot, and Kier Santage.

Picture Edit

Come on we can get a better picture than that can't we? The New Essential Guide to Characters had a pretty good picture of him, as I recall. Couldn't we use that one instead? It's so much better. -- AdmThrawn --

There is a picture of him in the NEC, too. --Commander Mike 21:58, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

  • I google imaged him and found several scans that we can use... going to go upload some now. - Breathesgelatin 03:50, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

Tycho on Trial Edit

I may be misremembering, but wasn't the trial of Tycho a sham designed to ferret out the real mole in Rogue Squadron?

  • Yes. Arien Cracken knew that Tycho was not the mole in Rogue Squadron, but he wasn't sure if Tycho was an Imperial Spy. -- SFH 21:10, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

Behind the ScenesEdit

  • Umm...what does Tycho Brahe have to do with Tycho Celchu? Are we going to put that Luke Skywalker shares a name with Cool Hand Luke? Is there a missing sentence that I'm not reading? Like "Tycho was named for Tycho Brahe" or something like that because what we have now seems to have nothing to do with the Tycho Celchu character. Cull Tremayne 17:12, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
    • Apparently, Wikipedia confirms that Tycho Celchu was named after Tycho Brahe. To be precise, "Tycho Celchu" appears in section "Named after Tycho", alongside with "Tycho crater on the Moon" et al. - Tycho Brahe on Wikipedia - Skippy Farlstendoiro 09:51, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
      • Cany anyone cite a source for Tycho being named after Brahe? I'm just going to put that Tycho was named after Brahe for the time being, but if anyone has trouble confirming this, we can delete it. Cull Tremayne 21:39, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
  • I reworded the last paragraph in this section to clarify about Tycho and Jake to better match earlier comments in this Talk page. Some more tweaking wouldn't hurt. -Finlayson 17:50, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

Could Tycho be the a-wing pilot in Rotj that says "Three of them coming in, twenty degrees." The annotated screenplay says that's Red 3, and that the a-wing pilot who says "Got it." is Red 2, which isn't right because Red 2 is later shown as a y-wing. Also, during the part where an a-wing gets blown up and then a y-wing comes in is described as "The dog fight between Rebel X-wings and Imperial TIE fighters rages." I always thought that the guy who says "Got it." and then expilodes is Red 3, and that the twenty degree guy is Green 3(Tycho). Wedgeroks! 15:41, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Name Edit

I just have a question. In the Rogue Squadron III: Rebel Strike game, they just refer to him as Tycho. So i was wondering, is his name pronounced Selchu (like the say it is in "X-Wing: Wedge's Gamble"), or Kelchu, like I always thought it was?

  • I would go with the pronounciation from "Wedge's Gamble", since that source is considered canon.

Article Improvements Edit

  • This article is looking good. But it could use expansion on Tycho's post-Endor missions in the Rogue Squadron comics. I've read some of those. I'm not a writer, but will do what I can. -Fnlayson 02:16, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
  • I agree with you. There's almost nothing about it. I'll see if I can get some work done there soon.--Hobbie 02:31, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
    • Don't bother. I'll be rewriting this completely for FA in a month. Havac 03:41, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

Updates Edit

  • I've made a couple of changes about when Tycho actually had command of Rogue Squadron. Wedge was still Rogue Squadron's commander when he was with the Wraiths - Tycho was the squadron leader while he was away, but Wedge remained Squadron Leader. This is made clear as Wedge explains it early in the 'Wraith Squadron' novel. Corellia's Dream 02:08, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
    • Wedge put Tycho in charge of the Rogues during the Wraith squad time (7-7.5 ABY). Where do you get the 17 ABY date from? -Fnlayson 02:36, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
      • To quote from 'Wraith Squadron': Wedge says "I act as commander for the combined unit - for both Rogue Squadron and the new squadron. I also act as squadron leader for the new squad. Tycho, until I return, you're Rogue Leader." So although Tycho is in charge of the Rogues at a day to day level, Wedge is still the unit commander.Corellia's Dream 02:34, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Where does this part in bold come from?

In 17 ABY, Celchu married fellow Alderaanian Winter. At about the same time, Antilles retook command of Rogue Squadron. Three years later in 20 ABY, a year after the end of the Galactic Civil War, both men retired from active service and turned the squadron over to Gavin Darklighter.

The only novel or comic set in 17 ABY that I can think of is The New Rebellion. Tycho doesn't appear in that book though. Thanks. -Fnlayson 03:19, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

  • My mistake: I thought the Corellian trilogy and 'The New Rebellion' were set a little earlier than they are. I knew Wedge is Rogue Leader again in the Hand of Thrawn books, and assumed those are 17 ABY. I'll correct it to show Wedge commanding the Rogues again in 19 ABY, when the Hand of Thrawn books are set. I've got the books in front of me to check properly this time. Sorry about that. Corellia's Dream 02:17, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
    • Just curious - where do we get the date of Tycho and Winter's marriage from ? They are not specifically mentioned as married in 'Starfighters of Adumar'(13 ABY), and are married by 'Union', but I've not seen any reference to pin it down between those dates.Corellia's Dream 02:34, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
      • I don't know about the marriage. Possibly a source like New Essential Guide to Characters. I thought Wedge would be above squad leader since he was general. But yea he was Rogue Leader again in Spector of the Past anyway. -Fnlayson 03:46, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Decipher foul?Edit

The Decipher CCG identifies Tycho with a pilot seen in the movie. Oddly enough, this is neither an orange-suit X-wing pilot nor a green-suit A-wing pilot, but a red-suit B-wing pilot! Since he obviously flew an A-wing after the briefing...is it possible he was flying a B-wing BEFORE the Battle of Endor, at, um, Sullust?JustinGann 04:51, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

  • You can see the CCG card here. He's in the dark green flight suit like the A-wing pilots wear. I guess it's also possible that's a guy who was wearing B-wing uniform, and Decipher changed the color to fit it. And they say he flew an A-wing.
  • (Incidentally, looking back at the cards and comparing them to the ROTJ scene, it's pretty obvious that Decipher didn't interpret it correctly. If you look at some of the wide shots in the movie, each grouping of pilots have one kind of uniform depending on their fighter. There's a group of orange for the X-wings, red for the B-wings, gray for the Y-wings and green for the A-wings. Instead they made random orange-suited pilots Y-wing gunners and kind of missed the whole point.) --JMM 12:20, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
    • The CCG pic still looks like a red suit to me, but it is rather poor lighting. And you are right, CCG really messed up the pilot identifications in general. The only plausible fix I can think of is that most pilots were skilled at flying all sorts of fighters (the RS games do suggest such) and many of the pilots were flying different types of craft before Endor than during. A weak fix, but the alternative is to disregard the CCG IDs altogether.JustinGann 06:12, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
      • Although, the two orange flight suit-wearers as gunners is somewhat excusable, because they were supposed to have been X-wing pilots that got assigned as gunners. Of course, none of the Y-wings in the film are shown to have gunners... but never mind that. --JMM 11:58, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

Fury Edit

I haven't read Fury yet, but some guy who did told me that Tycho actuall died during the attack at Centerpoint station. Can anyone confirm it? Unsigned comment by Mauser (talk • contribs).

  • He got hurt bad & you should read the book. :) -Fnlayson 18:42, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
    • I'm still on Sacrifice, so I went to Wookipedia looking for his fate. Here I found that his death is not mentioned (so there's no need to worry about him), but then I found that his role in the Fury plot hasn't been covered at all. My point is: the article needs updating ;) Mauser 19:12, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

X-Wing Alliance? Edit

Should we note Tycho's (possible) appearance in XWA? It was retconed that he flew an A-Wing as Green 3 in ROTJ. In XWA, There are 4 squadrons: Red, Gold, Gray and Green (Although they got it wrong, Y-Wing Gold is supposed to be Gray, and B-Wing Gray is supposed to be Blue). Each Squadron has 4 fighters, Reds 1-4, Greens 1-4, etc. While the Battle of Endor is exactly the same from the movie, there is no mention of Tycho's name, or the Green 3 callsign. Green 3 does appear, so should we mark it as "Ship only"? 68.9.60.123 22:52, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

Article is WAY too long Edit

I don't know how this made it to being a featured article. This is almost as bad as the Palpatine one Lalala la 16:43, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

This article made featured status because of its length - it is detailed, informative, and covers the subject matter at hand at length. If it wasn't this length, it would not have made FA status. - Cavalier OneFarStar.svg(Squadron channel) 16:48, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
There are large chunks of prose describing details of Rogue Squadron's activities or other plot points that perhaps go beyond providing context for Celchu's story. I think they could be trimmed. SparqMan Talk 05:22, July 3, 2011 (UTC)

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