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Member of the High CouncilEdit

What source says he was a member of the High Council? KOTOR only confirms he was on the Dantooine Enclave council, and he doesn't appear in the High Council flashbacks in KOTOR2. Lieutenant Gerard 18:39, 1 Jan 2006 (UTC)

  • I second that objection. I'm not sure of the source, but i think there were several "Councils" at the time, one of which was the Teaching Council on Dantooine, of which Vandar was the head. I think. Lonnyd 15:49, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
  • Is Vandar smaller than Yoda? Just wondering.--Darth Oblivion 22:37, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

To be frank...Edit

Vrooks words pertaining to Vandar's attendance of the Conclave are of little consequence. Vrook did not attend the Conclave of Katarr, so he would not soundly know who was present and who was not. No source outside of The Sith Lords mentions or shows Master Vandar being present at the Conclave. Also, with every single Master from TSL in hiding at the time the Conclave took place - not one of them going and being present among any of the Jedi who DID go - it is speculation even on their part to say who was there and who was not. Master Atris, the very Jedi who orchestrated the Conclave wasn't even present. And this news came as a shock to every TSL master you bring it to. Not one of Masters Vrook, Kavar, or Zez-Kai Ell knew with, absolute certainty, who the attendees of the Katarr Conclave were.

With this knowledge at hand, it is safe to assume that to say Master Vandar WAS there, and that he DID, in fact, die from Darth Nihilus is more of a speculation than saying it is simply "BELIEVED" or "ASSUMED" he was. This is the truth, that we only believe he was present and died. At this time we have nothing more concrete than this to build any kind of substantial argument off of. Because neither Vrook or any of the other masters were present, any speculations they themselves might entertain IS NOT grounds for a definitive answer.--Master Dakari 09:06, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

  • The remaining Jedi Masters knew who went to Katarr, just as much as they knew how Atris was supposed to go there, only to find out from you that she did not. Just because they themselves did not go, doesn't mean they were simply making wild guesses about the ones that did. They spoke with absolute certainty, not hesitant assumption. They knew who went there, and Vrook was the one who finally revealed to the player that Vandar was there with Zhor & Dorak. Plus, they felt the death of the planet and the Jedi when the massacre happened. Similar things have happened in the Star Wars universe, such as the Skywalker family "feeling" the death of Anakin Solo. Is it hard to believe the same thing happened here?
In addition, the game is officially considered canon. Just because mention of Vandar's death doesn't exist in other outside sources doesn't mean it didn't happen. If anything, outside sources would morely likely be used to retcon something that happened in KOTOR2, or to set in stone something that is player-driven, such as the official ending and the official gender of the Exile, and all the in-game events that come from these decisions. Vandar's death is canon, and until another source decides to retcon it, it's the truth. Your post is wishful thinking, and shows you obviously have an attachment to the little guy, but it is of no consequence.
I don't know why I'm responding to an almost 3-year old post, but hey, why not. --Scy Storm 17:28, January 29, 2010 (UTC)

Survived?Edit

"He was presumed killed by Darth Nihilus, as the Sith Lord used his powers to destroy all life on the planet of Katarr during the Jedi Conclave there. However, there was a small chance that the Jedi Master stayed away in hiding like Masters Kavar, Vrook and Zez-Kai Ell after realizing that the Jedi Order was too weak and scattered to fight this new Sith threat."

What the heck? Vrook explicitly says that he died on Katarr. Period. Looks like some fan's wishful thinking. - Sikon [Talk] 15:54, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

  • Never abandon hope :(
    • "Vrook explicitly says that he died on Katarr." Yes, but all three Masters from TSL believed that Atris had gone to Katarr as well. Remember? "Atris still lives? I thought she had gone to Katarr with the others. [...] No, it is good she has survived. She holds the last of the Jedi teachings." We don't have a "set-in-stone" roster of all the Katarr Conclave attendees, and not even the surviving Jedi Masters knew - with absolute certainly - who was there and who was not. So, I believe it is safe to assume that any among the Dantooine Council, including Vandar, might still be alive. But we will never truly know until it is verified in some official way.--Master Dakari 02:59, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
  • Regardless, I don't think Vandar will be appearing in any future Kotor game, owing to the fact that he is killed in the dark side ending of kotor 1 (Yes, I know, non-canon, but the Kotor games seem to follow a rule that if a character could possibly be killed off, they won't appear later on, as seen in the fact that Jolee, Juhani, Mission, and Zaalbar do not make any appearances in TSL, except for that one reference to "Pulling a Bindo", as well as Carth only appearing if Revan was stated in-game to be light-sided. Besides, you now have Master Atton running things ;p )

Vrook's wordsEdit

CONFIRMED: Hey guys. I finally found where it is. For anyone curious, Vrook states Vandar's name as being a victim of Katarr at the meeting on Dantooine late in the game. You must pick the conversation choice "Why are you all in hiding?" and they will explain the events of Katarr. Thanks for pointing me in all those directions though, guys, I guess this conversation is for the archives now. :) -- Scy Storm 04:14, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

Hey, I'm a little confused. I won't try to debate the article or anything, but I was wondering what exactly Vrook said considering the death of Vandar, and when he said it. I've played through KOTOR2 many times and I cannot recall him - or anyone else, really - ever mentioning Vandar. Vrook states on Dantooine that Zhar and Dorak perished at Katarr, but I've never seen him mention Vandar. Am I -really- that absentminded? Can someone help?

Thanks in advance.

-- Scy Storm 09:42, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

  • Well, it is stated that the masters that the Exile hunts down are the last of the Order. The only problem I have with the article is the statement that he was killed by Nihilus at Katarr. I don't think there's any confirmation for that. Lonnyd 10:50, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
    • Yeah, I know, I see no confirmation. The article states that Vrook explicity said it, but I'd like to know where. Vrook only mentions Zhar and Dorak, that I've found. It can be assumed that Vandar died on Katarr, but it's never stated, and the Jedi all state that they have not sensed the presence of the others. What's to stop them from not sensing Vandar, if he's alive? I'd just like to know WHERE and WHEN Vrook said it, because I really can't find anything. Does he say it in the comics at all, because I've never actually gotten a chance to read those. I'm just confused here, is all.
    • Also, while I have a chance to get questions answered, where does he appear in a hologram in Sith Lords? Evidently there's a lot of crap I still haven't found in the game. -- Scy Storm 22:52, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
      • The hologram can be found by fixing the broken droid hanging around the landing site on Dantooine.–SentryTalk 23:04, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
        • Oh really? Well. Thanks a lot, I'm gonna get right on that in one of my saved games. :D -- Scy Storm 03:29, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
        • Hrm... Well I went through there and repaired the droid, but all I got was a mashed-up conversation between Vrook and Vandar, where Vrook was complaining to him about the Exile. Once again, I've reached a dead end. What the heck am I missing here? --Scy Storm 08:51, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Well Bastila thought Vandar and the others were dead when Malak annihilated Dantooine, so if Vandar wasn't specifically mentioned or confirmed, he could have survived that like he survived Dantooine. While a little off-topic, I hope he survives because I really don't want to see any more new Yoda-species characters
    • Thing is, Vandar was mentioned specifically by Vrook to have died on Katarr. He says it when you had gathered all the Jedi. Somewhere in that giant conversation. --RedemptionTalk Uglykotoricon 18:05, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
      • Are you sure? I've been through that conversation a few times and never heard Vandar's name. But Sentry above said it was in a hologram, so, I'll check it out there. -- Scy Storm 03:29, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

Lightsaber?Edit

What kind of Lightsaber did Vandar use? And what color was it? Schlinge 16 September 2006

  • Unknown. Never used one in-game. Who knows if he even used one at all. --RedemptionTalk Uglykotoricon 13:42, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
  • he's a jedi, he used one. it was a shoto. a short saber because he's small. the color is unknown.
    • Not necessarily. Whether he was Jedi or not has nothing to do with it. Master Fay was also a Jedi and she was never know to have used a lightsaber, and most suspected she didn't even carry one. And as far as we know, neither did Vandar.--Master Dakari 19:49, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
  • It says in the Knights of the Old Republic Campaign Guide that Vandar carried two shotos

SpeechEdit

  • Should it be mentioned that he's the only member of this species shown thusfar to speak normally?Darth Ceratis 01:52, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

Grand Master?Edit

  • I read somewhere (can't remember where, but it was on Wookieepedia) that he was a Grand Master. Is that true?
  • It was never canonically stated. - Sikon 18:29, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Somebody deleted a category about possible Grand Masters I created. Anyone know about it? Jediknight19bby 22:31, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

Vandar Taught Revan?Edit

Where is it said that Vandar taught Revan?

  • Kreia on the Ebon Hawk alluded to the fact that Revan had many teachers, and named Zhar as one of them, which is obvious if you've played the first game, where Zhar was the main driving force behind your training there. It's never expressly mentioned that Vandar served as a "Master" to Revan, however Vandar was there on Dantooine to grant you some instruction during the first game. So in a sense, that is where you can say Vandar "taught" Revan. It's just not in a Master-Padawan sense. --Scy Storm 17:32, January 29, 2010 (UTC)
  • Simply giving instructions is not teaching or Revan being taught by Vandar. That would make anyone or everyone that gave him or anyone instruction as being taught by him or whoever.

Confirmed, Confirmed Vandar death on KatarrEdit

I've tried the 'Why are you in hiding option?' option just now and it is true. Vrook mentions Zhar and Vandar dying on Katarr. So you think we can also confirm that Zhar died on Katarr as well? As Vrook mentions him twice as a casualty of Katarr.

Last NameEdit

Known padawans Edit

So, the article states that Zayne Carrick is his temporary padawan. But why just Zayne?

When his mother visited the Conclave, he was playing with Shad Jelevan, Kamlin, Oojoh and Gharn. Weren't they all Vandar's temporary padawans?--Seth danny 14:15, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Vision Edit

I remember that Bastilla describes a vision that Vandar had concerning the Jedi Civil War. The KotOR CG mentions it, but I can't seem to find Bastilla's original dialogue description... Does anyone know when she mentions it in the game?--Sentry 00:26, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Apperence in Star Wars: The Old Republic? Edit

While reading the "Voice of the Force" article on Tom Kane in SW Insider #110, I read a very interesting passage concerning Vandar.

"...,as well as the sound of Vandar Tokare, one of the only two other known member's of Yoda's species, who soon returns in a new multi-player online game, Star Wars: The Old Republic.

I hate to bring up a possible Vandar survival again, but this is from a credible source. The quote is taken from paragraph 1 of pg. 20 of the magazine for those who seek confirmation. Has any other source mentioned this??? IF he lives, why are there so many direct references to his death then, as mentioned in many of the topics above?? The magazine does however seem to state that vandar does survive! --Rouge 2 00:38, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

  • I imagine it's either an inaccuracy, or else that Vandar appears in hologram/holocron/spirit form, as opposed to in the flesh. -- AdmirableAckbar (Talk) 10:30, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
  • If so, then it would seem to be misleading. I guess we will have to wait and see the finished product to be sure. But if it was just a hologram or somthing like that, why would the Insider article mention it at all? Either way, it is a little odd, it almost seems like it would be a spoiler-worthy revelation if Vandar was actually in The Old Republic. --Rouge 2 Rogue Squadron 10:57, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

I think they meant that Tom Kane would return, not Vandar.--Jinger 15:29, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

I hate it when articles pull this confusing wording on us. I guess we will find out the truth later.--Rouge 2 Rogue Squadron 05:41, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

It did say in the campaign guide that Vander could have become one with the force, so maybe he's a force ghost in it User:1705jallen

List as Jedi Guardian? Edit

After browsing through the .utc files for some KotOR characters, I noticed that on Vandar's he is listed as a Jedi Guardian. Should we mention this in the article? Ruthless Xero 03:09, December 6, 2009 (UTC)

Are game classifications that are in the files but not stated in-game considered canon? --Rouge 2 Rogue Squadron 03:25, December 7, 2009 (UTC)
Actually, after reading through it, Vandar along with every other Jedi are labelled as Level 1 Jedi Guardians in their .utc files. Except for Zhar, who's labelled as a Level 10 Jedi Consular. I'm guessing that BioWare just left them like that cause they didn't think it really important since all you do is talk to them. Ruthless Xero 01:26, December 8, 2009 (UTC)

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