Talk:Witches of Dathomir

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Move to Dathomiri? -- SFH 04:01, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

• I take issue with this whole article. Aren't the "Witches of Dathomir" just another word for the Nightsisters? Also, male Dathomiri were not allowed to be witches until the Legacy era, making all witches Dathomiri, but not all Dathomiri witches. I think a seperate article should be created for "Dathomiri" and most of this article should be merged into the "Nightsisters" article. Lonnyd 07:53, 17 March 2006 (UTC)
• No, the Witches of Dathomir are the lightside using Dathomiri; The Nightsisters are the darkside using Dathomiri. By your logic, Kirana Ti, Tenel Ka, Teneniel Djo, and Damaya would all be Nightsisters, which is not the case. Therefore, Witches of Dathomir =/= Nightsisters, while Nightsisters = Witches of Dathomir exiled from their clan. As for your claim that males were not allowed to be Witches until the Legacy era (What's the source for that, anyway?), maybe they were not allowed they be trained using the light side of the Force , but they were trained in the dark side (by the Nightsisters) as early as the New Republic Era. While it is true that some Dathomiri cannot touch the Force, most of them can. StarNeptune 08:11, 17 March 2006 (UTC)
  • I admit my mistake on the Nightsisters thing, I researched it after I posted that, but about the Dathomiri/Witches of Dathomir thing, I don't think that the entire population of the planet should be referred to as witches. There are obviously non-force using members of the society, especially the slaves, regardless of when they starting allowing males to be witches. Lonnyd 10:59, 17 March 2006 (UTC)
    • I guess what I'm saying is, this article needs split. Lonnyd 11:00, 17 March 2006 (UTC)
      • I'm going to begin a split on Sunday, unless there are objections. Lonnyd 09:41, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
        • I'm not objecting, but I'm just curious as to what you're going to put for Dathomiri. "The Dathomiri were people native to the planet Dathomir, comprised mostly of the Witches of Dathomir and Nightsister Force using groups?" I just ask because info on non-Witches/Nightsisters is pretty scarce, even though they do exist. StarNeptune 14:22, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
          • Do you think it's a bad idea? Mainly, I would just seperate the history of the culture from the deatils of the witches. I just think it is neccessary because of the exclusivity of the Witches, and then we could further detail the Nightsisters. Lonnyd 10:39, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
            • So would there would be three pages altogether, or would we be merging Nightsisters and Witches of Dathomir together, then having a seperate page just for generic Dathomiri (i.e. Slaves and non-Force users). I'm all for helping out either way if you want me to. StarNeptune 10:46, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
              • Yes, I say three pages. generic Dathomiri, Witches, and Nightsisters. I think all three warrant a page. Lonnyd 10:48, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, I know I said that a week ago, but my work schedule plus my girlfriend being out of town (watching two kids on my own) doesn't allow for major projects this week. I'll get to it next week, and when the time comes, I would appreciate any help you could offer, Mr Neptune. Lonnyd 21:44, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

• I totally agree with the division. Take your time. But I think they prefer to call themselves "Daughters of Allya", "Witches of Dathomir" is just what others call them.--Bodo-Baas 21:43, 6 April 2006 (PDT)
  • I kind of forgot about this, but I've read up on them a bit, and I think it's an apt name for the specific culture that is being talked about. There's not enough info to warrant a seperate article of the "Dathomiri" people, whoever they were before Allya came. Not that I kind find anyway, but I don't have any of the chronologies. Lonnyd 07:07, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

Regarding Allya: we can assume she is redeemed (or was light-side all along), since otherwise all the Witches would be darkside. 82 Airborne^Tac-Com "Hit any key to continue" 03:07, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

I've been doing some minor edits to this page since I began reading "The Courtship of Princess Leia" and one of my edits included stating that the males were not Force-sensitive. It seemed rather clear to me that this is a true statement based on the following quotes from the 1995 paperback version: Teneniel Djo says to Luke, "How can you work the magic, being only a man?" (pg 166) Later she asks, "Who has ever heard of a male spellcaster?" (pg 184) Another hint came from Teneniel's mention of the "Jai" which is what the Daughters of Allya call the Jedi. When she talks about the Jai, she mentions them as male witches from beyond the stars (pg 166). Putting this all together, I came to the conclusion that male Dathomiri were, in large, not Force-sensitive like the women were. Do my claims seem founded or should I edit what I already wrote to say that men did not show signs of Force-sensitivity (or something to that general effect)? Jake 14:00, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

• A couple of points. I agree with Lonnyd's current opinion that we shouldn't split the page. The two cultures are too closely connected, and the evidence is best handed together. In reply to Jake, though—there is certainly some Force-sensitivity among Dathomiri men. If memory serves, Cracken's Threat Dossier or Geonosis and the Outer Rim Worlds says that it's about the same percentage as the women, but they were so thoroughly under-the-thumb of the women that they never developed it. I could be misremembering slightly on that, but examples like Vilas show that some Dathomiri men do have the Force. Nevertheless, you're right to point out that the point should be discussed. I've made an edit for now, but someone ought to check the sources. --McEwok 00:14, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Wizards of Dathomir

Are there any Male dathomiri force-user or the clanes just made up of female force-sensitives? If so, what happen to the male force-sensitives. In the article it says that the clanes have female dominance but what with the males?—Unsigned comment by 207.248.40.19 (talk • contribs).