Contents 1 "Post-Jedi Civil War conflicts" section 2 Remove appearances 3 Query 4 Kyle a wound? 5 Name 6 Taris 7 Do we know? 8 Male/Female exile

"Post-Jedi Civil War conflicts" sectionEdit

"Mindless" predator of life? I think it's POV. Nihilus was by no means mindless. - Sikon [Talk] 07:13, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

• Ya, your right. I wrote this entire article pretty fast so there are bound to be some errors that I have not found yet...--Sentry 07:18, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

Remove appearancesEdit

Shall we? You cant really see a "wound" in the force, can you? Jasca Ducato 09:00, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

• I agree, they could be moved to the sources section...--Sentry 09:07, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Done, added some new pictures as well. Jasca Ducato 09:48, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

QueryEdit

the dark Jedi who were trained by Darth Traya, began to make use of a technique that they had learned from the Jedi Exile's experiences at Malachor V. Darth Traya, Darth Sion, and Darth Nihilus, the leaders of the remnant of Revan's Sith Empire, studied the Exile and discovered the source of his unique gift and curse. Through him, the Sith learned how to create and make use of wounds in the Force to help them hide their presence, leech power from the destruction of other lifeforms, and to hunt down the remaining Jedi through the Force

Is this right?

Maybe there's more to support it, but all I can find is one of Vrook's typically judgemental statements:

“Somehow they’ve learned this from you”

The other evidence (as far as words from Kreia's mouth count as evidence) points to the Sith Assassins having been schooled in techniques that are “as old as the Sith themselves”.

Obviously there *is* a similarity between the Exile, Darth Nihilus, the Sith Assassins and the way they utilise the Force, and clearly, for the assassins, the Trayus Academy is the ‘crucible’ of which Master Kavar speaks - like how the destruction of Malachor V was the Ex's - but I never got the impression that the Trayus Sith had been ‘studying the Exile’, nor that the Exile was the being that taught them how leech off the lives of others.

Rather, I thought that the point being made with Vrook's statement was to show that it was easy for the masters to *think* that the Exile was responsible for the abilities of the Sith assassins and Nihilus, so as to draw similarities between them… this can happen when you first meet Atris - if you say you've come to kill her, she reveals that she thinks the Exile is the one performing Nihilus' deeds. Yet the point, in the end, is that they're *not* the same at all - or at least, that's what the Visas/Disciple conversation seems to imply.

So, whilst I think the developers drew a clear parallel between the Exile and those that hunted him/her, I can't remember it ever being strongly implied that they'd been 'studying the Exile'.

Anyway, if there's something I've missed in the game and I'm just being stupid, feel free to point it out.(Ulicus 21:00, 1 June 2006 (UTC))

• I took that information from the Exile's final confrontation on Dantooine with Kavar, Ell, and Vrook, but Kreia make numerous remarks that would seem to corroborate the Jedi Master's stance on the subject. I'm a little burnt out at the moment, but I'll try to find some quotes to verify it...--Sentry 07:03, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Here's something Kreia (possibly -see 1) says at the end if you've killed all the masters:

“…it is similar to drawing on the Force as Jedi do, but when it is touched by the power of the dark side, it is something else, something deadly. These Sith we face, they have learned how to do this, it is a technique that has been lost for some time. Not seen since the days of the ancient Sith. They can use it to consume other Force sensitives and at the highest pinnacle of power, use it to consume anything that lives. They draw upon the connections in the Force and devour it. That is why they are drawn to Jedi, why it is easy for them to find where they gather, because it is like the smell of blood of them – and they can draw on the Jedi’s own strength to kill them.

Then on Nihilus:

No, for the pinnacle of this teaching is self destructive, for its hunger keeps building and building until it has devoured everything including the student. The blind seer, her master has harnessed this technique, and he is rapidly approaching the height of its power. I fear he may even rival some of the ancient Sith, he is already more of a force than a living thing – a hole in the Force, that threatens to draw everything into it. And the teaching must die with him, or else all life will be placed in jeopardy.

However, it's not unreasonable to suggest that it was through the Exile that the Sith worked out how to use those old techniques again -

Pain travels both ways along connections in the Force, it casts Echoes always, and one can learn to draw strength from such connections and take it from others! It is a lesson you know well, and you have taught to others, at the end of the Mandalorian Wars…

It might even explain why Disciple tells us that Revan was studying Force bonding so deeply, as a means to unlocking the old Sith secrets. I don't think it's too much to assume that Revan wanted the Exile to be commanding the fleet at Malachor V *purely* to see 'what would happen' to him, and learn from it.

1- I say "possibly" because in these instances I just went straight into the sound files. —Unsigned comment by 195.92.168.175 (talk • contribs).

• hey, nice job. You saved me some work there...http://img48.imageshack.us/img48/8159/grin5rq.gif --Sentry 09:29, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
  • No problem. Though I still need to confirm if she actually *does* say the above in game... even if not, it still gives a pretty clear view of the developers' intent. I think I'll put my account on automatic login or something, I keep forgetting to sign in.(Ulicus 12:12, 5 June 2006 (UTC))

Kyle a wound?Edit

Didn't Kyle, essentially, 'walk away' from the Force? I.e. stop using it, not training any longer and letting his skill with it fade? I don't think he pulled "an Exile", so to speak.(Ulicus 21:11, 1 June 2006 (UTC))

The Kyle article says: "at one time going so far as to completely sever his own connection to it", but again, it wasn't really explained that way in the game.

Uh... was it?(Ulicus 21:18, 1 June 2006 (UTC))

• As far as I know, Kyle never severed himself from the Force. He just abandoned it after he fell to the dark side and with time his skills atrophied. He should probably be removed from the article... --Sentry 07:06, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
  • I just added it because thats what it says on the Jedi Exile article, i don't relly care either way. Jasca Ducato 09:48, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

Kreia said that many Jedi have given up the Force in the past, and that more would in the future. She also said that others (such as herself) would have the Force stripped from them, but all would maintain unconscious ties. But that no one would ever sever ties so completely as the Exile, and leave a wound in the Force. According to Kreia, the Exile is the only one to ever do this. She is unique. Dargos 03:21, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

• And that was correct, 3,956 years ago. Seeing as Kyle wasn't alive until ABY. So what Kreia said became void. Jasca Ducato _{Sith Council (Sith campaign)} 07:30, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

No one would ever is referring to the future. Kreia was excellent at predicting the future. She foresaw the fall of the Republic, and the Mandalorians degeneration. That is quite a ways away as well. He probably maintained unconscious ties; there is no canonical source that says he is a wound. However there is an official source that says the Exile was one of a kind. I take official info over speculation. Dargos 21:26, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

• The only problem is, Kyle is shown as a wound in the Force! Everything about what happened to him is a typical Wound in the Force. And true, Kreia could predict the future. But she couldn't say; "Luke Skywalker would eat xxx the day before he killed the Emperor". She's not that accurate. IF you look at you're "official source" (Which i have got) you will realise that it is set 4,000 years before the Jedi Knight series. Things change in 4,000 years. Jasca Ducato _{Sith Council (Sith campaign)} 09:50, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

I am well aware of the time KOTOR II takes place. But you do have a point about the future changing. Yoda does say: “Always in motion is the future." I have come to the same conclusion myself before, but I thought I was wrong. But I didn't consider the future changing. I guess you’re right; he could easily be a wound. Dargos 23:09, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

NameEdit

Should this be at Disturbance in the Force? -- SFH 01:24, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

• "Disturbance in the Force" is a more general topic covered in the the Force article. A "Wound in the Force" is a more specific type of event described in Knights of the Old Republic II.--Sentry 01:52, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

TarisEdit

If a wound occurs when much life is lost, why didnt Taris cause an echo? Saul stated they'd be killing countless people, but nothing happened to the Force Sensitives.

• We don't know that it didn't. Besides, plenty of planets must have been decimated the many wars the galaxy faced. Only whe entire planets got destroyed (like Alderean (sp?)) would the echo be large enough. Jasca Ducato _{Sith Council (Sith campaign)}20px 19:12, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

Do we know?Edit

It feels as if most of these occurences haven't been confirmed as "Wounds in the Force" and are merely disturbances. Perhaps they should be in that article? Evir Daal 10:32, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

• A disturbance is something much smaller. Say, if a Jedi sensed the presence of a Sith nearby, that would cause a disturbance in the Force. But if he sensed the destruction of a planet, or the sudden dissappearance of an individual form the Force, that is a "Wound". These are all wounds. Jasca Ducato _{Sith Council} ^{Sith Campaign} 15:50, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
  • I thought a "Wound" was a Jedi who severed his connection to the Force, like the Exile did, not the event that caused him to. Whence does this wider interpretation come? Evir Daal 07:11, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
    • A Wound isn't just when a jedi cuts himself/herself off from the Force. Jasca Ducato _{Sith Council} ^{Sith Campaign} 10:05, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
      • Well OK, then I've misunderstood it. What I really meant to ask is, are there any sources (besides KotOR II)) that explain the nature of Wounds? Evir Daal 06:54, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

Male/Female exile Edit

Why does this article refer to the Jedi Exile as "she"? It should be "he" or a gender-neutral "they", because the gender depends on the choice that the player makes in KoToR II. --122.162.68.234 11:12, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

• Similar to the reasoning behind the official canon gender of Revan being male, the official canon gender of the Jedi Exile is female. It makes the story easier to tell from any perspective outside of the realm of the game. --School of Thrawn 101 11:17, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
  • It also makes it easier for future comics, games etc. to use her character, otherwise they would have to print four different version of the same comic, with each possible gender and alingment. {{SUBST:User:Jasca Ducato/Sig}} 12:51, 5 June 2007 (UTC)