Talk:Zero-G assault stormtrooper
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Name
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It appears that the official name of these soldiers was "Zero-G Assault Troopers", while "spacetroopers" was the AKA. --SparqMan 04:49, 31 Oct 2005 (UTC)
Appearances
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any appearances, so where did the pic come fromRevan 05:20, 1 Dec 2005 (UTC)
- X-Wing Alliance TIEPilot051999 05:23, 1 Dec 2005 (UTC)
Rank
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I have never, ever, heard the Zero-G trooper referred to as being "second [in rank] only to the Imperial Royal Guards."
First of all, there really isn't a strict hierarchy among Storm Troopers, though some units are more elite (Storm Commandos, Vader’s Fist). While Space Troopers are likely one of the more elite units, I find the “second only to the Royal Guard” claim to be suspect.
Unless someone can show a source that backs up the claim, I’m going to remove the line in question.
- I didn't add it in, but I've seen it somewhere. Admiral J. Nebulax 13:35, 31 Dec 2005 (UTC)
- From the second paragraph in the databank...
- "Spacetroopers are deadly commandos of the highest order, second only to the Imperial Royal Guard."
- ―Spacetroopers entry in the databank.
Feel free to take a look yourself...the link to the databank is in the article itself. -Jaymach Ral'Tir 13:57, 31 Dec 2005 (UTC)
- Thank you, Jaymach. Admiral J. Nebulax 14:19, 31 Dec 2005 (UTC)
- The Imperial Sourcebook (page 47) says "Zero-G Assault Stormtroopers — or 'spacetroopers' — are deadly commandos of the highest order, second only to the Imperial Royal Guard in training, loyalty, and destructive capability." The Databank is just paraphrasing the original source. —Darth Culator (talk) 16:44, 31 Dec 2005 (UTC)
- Well, then, there's no need to remove it. Admiral J. Nebulax 17:01, 31 Dec 2005 (UTC)
- The Imperial Sourcebook (page 47) says "Zero-G Assault Stormtroopers — or 'spacetroopers' — are deadly commandos of the highest order, second only to the Imperial Royal Guard in training, loyalty, and destructive capability." The Databank is just paraphrasing the original source. —Darth Culator (talk) 16:44, 31 Dec 2005 (UTC)
- They're second only in their deadliness: lots of weapons, thick armor, good training. I don't think they're higher up on the hierarchy than other specialized Stormtrooper units, however. --SparqMan 17:13, 31 Dec 2005 (UTC)
- That's what I thought. Admiral J. Nebulax 19:09, 31 Dec 2005 (UTC)
Zero-G Spacetrooper origins
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The Star Wars Databanks states that the Zero-G Spacetroopers were orginally formed as part of the Galactic Marines (the red snowtroopers in Episode 3) that took down the Jedi General Ki-Adi-Mundi under Clone Commander Bacara (1138). "The marines were cross-trained in space and ground-based fighting, and well-versed in zero-gee combat. These troops were among the first to field-test new equipment and combat gear. Their use of the prototype spacetrooper powersuit during the Battle of New Bornalex was well documented; when the weapons systems on the suits failed, the troopers used the mechanical musculature to engage the enemy super battle droids in hand-to-hand combat and tore into them with their enhanced manipulators. This fostered a ferocious reputation for the marines that Bacara particularly relished." This is directly from Commander Bacara's Expanded universe description paragraph 2. This is interesting as this would most likely mean that Spacetroopers and Snowtroopers should in effect be one in the same. Enjoy.--Lord Tyranneix 03:09, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
- Except the Galactic Marines aren't snowtroopers. They just wore the armor later revised and used by the Cold Assault Troopers - Kwenn 19:32, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
- You are most likely correct, we now do have the origins of both the Snowtrooper suits and the Zero-G powersuits.--Lord Tyranneix 03:09, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
- Actually, the snowtrooper suits came from the clone cold assault troopers, not the Galactic Marines. Admiral J. Nebulax 21:02, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
- As stated above the use of clone cold assault armor was used by the Galactic Marines under the command of Commander Bacara (CC-1138) of the Galactic Marines. This is stated in the Star Wars Databank under Comander Bacara. The Behind The Scenes tab states -"The design of the cold weather Galactic Marines was inspired by the snowtrooper designs developed for The Empire Strikes Back. Also though, there were 2 units that wore this armor. You are also correct that [1]Cold Assault Clone Troopers wore this variant of Phase II Clone Armor under Clone Commander Keller. Wookieepedia also states that the [2]Galactic Marines also used a similar armor. "The marines were distinguished by their unique, uncommon visor gear: synthmesh designed to keep out various hazards such as snow, sand, airborne fungus, and ash." and "Galactic Marines and snowtroopers wear similar body armor; the differences being omitted/retooled details on the Galactic Marine armor and the addition of a backplate." But since this is a discussion on Spacetroopers and Zero-G armor, we indeed see their origins. Enjoy!--Lord Tyranneix 03:09, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
- Actually, the snowtrooper suits came from the clone cold assault troopers, not the Galactic Marines. Admiral J. Nebulax 21:02, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
Jedi Academy Jet troopers
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Is it just me, or do these guys resemble the HttE comic version of Space troopers? They have similar beefed up stormtrooper armor, and similar looking jet packs. They also carry heavy repeaters. --AdmiralWesJanson 05:06, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
- Could you get a picture? Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision)
20:33, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
Size
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How big were these guys compared to, say, an X-wing fighter?--Clone Commander CT-5619 helmet comlink 20:38, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
- They're people in suits. They probably wouldn't fit in a normal X-wing cockpit, so they'd be a little bigger than its cockpit, I'd say. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision)
22:36, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
A New Hope
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When the Falcon entered the first Death Star, the troopers down below by the turbolaser towers had to be space troopers, right? They were standing in the midst of space! Jedipilot94 01:17, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
- Are you sure? The Databank does not confirm any movie appearance for the Zero-G assault stormtroopers. I still doubt: A trooper in space does not equal a space trooper. I've been looking for info on those guys and could not find even a good pic of them. Any official source confirming those two guys being spacetroopers, or not being spacetroopers, or being anything at all? - Skippy Farlstendoiro 07:42, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
- They were regular stormtroopers with survival gear for patrolling in vacuum. You can see them wearing it on their backs, like astronauts. VT-16 17:23, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
- I believe Hasbro is making a figure of these guys. --LtCol. JuiceStain 01:23, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
- Link, please? —Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision)
14:19, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
- Don't have a definitive link. I saw it several or so months ago on Rebel Scum. Tried to find where I saw it, but didn't have much luck. At any rate, if you really want to find it, look Rebel Scum.[3]--LtCol. JuiceStain 17:41, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
- Link, please? —Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision)
- I believe Hasbro is making a figure of these guys. --LtCol. JuiceStain 01:23, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
i just watched that scene before looking at this article and the troopers seen outside the death star are identical to the action figure from what i could see.71.34.174.155 17:35, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
Inconsistency
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We can see Clone Troopers jumping through space from one ship to another in the Clone Wars Cartoons. We can see Stormtroopers in space on the Death Star in ANH. We know that a TIE Pilot's suit (and Darth Vader's) seals them against the vacuum of space. And we can see Luke Skywalker in his Pilot's suit with additional breath mask making repais on his X-Wing in space in the comic adaption of the Trawn Trilogy. All these armors are very light and more flexible than that of the Zero-G Stormtrooper. And additionally, the Clone Trooper's and Darth Vader's Armor are much older designs. So there originates the question of the advantage of a Zero-G suit. Resistance against starfighter fire? No (can be seen in X-Wing Alliance: you can destroy them with one shot). Additional or better weapons? No. You wouldn't need to fix them onto such a clumsy armor, as even big tools and weapons are easy to carry in Zero-G environment. Also the propulsion part seems to be of the size of a common atmospheric jetpack, which would have a much higher efficiency in Zero-G environment. Hyperdrive capability? No (but would be fun, hehe). Built-in toilet? Not that we know, but high likely. But why should one go into space for shitting? Is it the special experience of doing it in an gravity-less environment?--TeakHoken91.7.35.196 22:40, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
- That was completely unnecessary and just plain stupid, Teak. In any case, none of those examples you mentioned had armor designed for space combat only, which is the purpose of the spacetrooper. —Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision)
11:24, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
- Maybe I mixed too much irony in, sorry. But what I meant to say is that you can obviously battle very well in space without such a clumsy suit. And all the other examples are also suitable for use elsewhere than in space. So its purpose makes no sense. Or is it forbidden to criticise and challenge in-universe-stuff here in Wookieepedia?--TeakHoken91.7.48.173 21:49, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
- The talk pages are usually for discussions related to improving the article in question. The community portal contains more free discussion about things. VT-16 12:28, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
- So then... I think I cannot improve this artile by finding out that the Zero-G suit has no senseful purpose. And I think I will never see the words "Behind the scenes - this thing makes no sense" in a wookieepedia article. But no offense! I know that I am a heretic in my own religion.
- The talk pages are usually for discussions related to improving the article in question. The community portal contains more free discussion about things. VT-16 12:28, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
- Maybe I mixed too much irony in, sorry. But what I meant to say is that you can obviously battle very well in space without such a clumsy suit. And all the other examples are also suitable for use elsewhere than in space. So its purpose makes no sense. Or is it forbidden to criticise and challenge in-universe-stuff here in Wookieepedia?--TeakHoken91.7.48.173 21:49, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
But back to topic: Let's assume that a Zero-G suit is made for space combat. So who or what is your enemy? As far as I know the Rebels don't have spacetroopers. And everything as big as a starfighter or bigger can blow a Zero-G with one shot. So it is for enter maneuvers? Then what do you do when you are inside a ship/station? Pull the suit off? Walk around inside with the suit? So why doesn't the Empire use is for infiltration of bases on planets, which is approximately the same as fighting inside a big spaceship?--TeakHoken91.7.49.176 09:37, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
- In case you didn't notice, there was more than one type of spacetrooper. —Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision)
14:24, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
- Aah yes! The one kind was constructed to be useful. the other to be useless! Now everything begins to make sense...Thank you very much! Er... did I write "Thank"?--TeakHoken91.7.45.6 18:54, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
- <sigh>... —Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision)
00:01, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
- I am pretty sure the Zero-G Assault Troopers role was to breach capital ships and clear the decks (IE kill everyone inside).~User
- <sigh>... —Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision)
- Aah yes! The one kind was constructed to be useful. the other to be useless! Now everything begins to make sense...Thank you very much! Er... did I write "Thank"?--TeakHoken91.7.45.6 18:54, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
Simple realy the armor has omnidirectional movement thrusters and integrated weapons dont break open to person weaponry assault Etc. Etc. They can kill off fighters decently that means heavy weapons and that means high recoil which means when you shoot in zero G off you go spinning out till you can counterthrust with integral weapons counterthrusts can be perfectly calibrated so you dont find yourself in interstelar space every time you fire. In ships artificial gravity is rarely at 1g+ especialy when said ships are damaged allowing the heavy suits to be worn without exending massive energy levels on rerpulsors to keep from colapsing likke they due on the ground and so they can be used in space but not on the ground. And -GASP- when you breach through hulls and bulkheads they are exposed to space and rendered airless the heavy armor allows for one troper to avoid the one shot and you Explosively decompress connundrum of that kind of fight.SargeLIVES 02:22, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
Sooo...Spacetroopers were there so that hooking to the other ship with an airlock was unnecessary, yet still have a boarding party?—B-Boba Fett! I'm going to scribble all over your face!!!!
22:03, November 17, 2009 (UTC)
Less powerful?
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The ZGST armor in the thrawn campaign were listed with the same weapons even if they are less visible. I do believe that the novel outranks the comics of the novel although the shape could still be genuine and the weapons were merely stowed.SargeLIVES 02:33, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
Possible inspiration?
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I don't know if anyone ever said this, or pointed it out, but don't the Zero-G stormtrooper suits look surprisingly like the Elemental Battle Armor from the Battletech universe?
First Appearance?
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The appearances section credits "Scoundrel's Luck" as the Spacetrooper's first appearance, but it was released a year after the 1st edition of the Imperial Sourcebook. I added in the 1st appearance credit for Imp. Sourcebook in the Sources section - if anyone knows info that contradicts this change, respond/alter appropriately.
Adamjames 00:55, June 28, 2010 (UTC)