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KFan II

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April 24, 2005

KFan II, welcome!

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Wikipedia Articles

Look, I know I have no authority here, but I request that you stop transfering the Wikipedia articles here. They are not needed right now. So, please just stop.--Darth Fisto 02:18, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)

  • I agree with Darth Fisto. While I am also not one in a position of authority, and moving missing article over from WP is in some cases a good thing to do, we don't need our current articles being utterly replaced by WP articles. Articles on the two wikis are going to be different. The ones here on SWW have already been here for a while. If you think they need improvement, make your own changes, gradually if need be, but don't simply replace them with WP articles. -- Aidje 02:32, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)
    • Well, the movie articles stink! They are short and have only the opening crawl and the cast. People need more information than that, if they are Star Wars fans! Also, just spell out titles. I don't care for WPs or SWWs at the time. Thanks. KFan II 01:59, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)
      • I don't know right off all the circumstances, but please make sure you follow the guidelines for copying articles from Wikipedia. I would say we only need move over a Wikipedia article if the SWW article does not exist or is severely lacking. I think the point here is to not cavalierly toss out work that others have put into the SWW articles. WhiteBoy 02:07, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)

No hard feelings

I appreciate your desire to improve Wookieepedia, and I hope you don't think I have some sort of personal vendetta against you—I just don't agree with some of your ideas, that's all. Perhaps you should try making smaller, less controversial edits rather than the huge improvements that you seem to have a desire to make. Any contribution, even if it isn't a total revision of an article, is appreciated—and even small revisions can be better than replacing work that's already been done. Sorry if you've felt less than welcome so far, I don't mean to be overbearing. – Aidje talk 01:48, 8 May 2005 (UTC)

Merging articles

What is up with your obsession with merging articles. I saw on one talk page that you wanted to merge Darth Vader with Anakin Skywalker: aaaaaaagggh. It is important that they are kept separate because Anakin does not become Darth Vader, until he turns to the dark side. I know everyone seems to be having a go, but I think that (in the case of Anakin and Darth Vader) it wouldn't be a good idea to merge. In some ways I see your reasons for wanting to merge Darth Sidious with Palpatine (how much background info do we actually get on Palpatine's past?, apart from the fact that he was trained by Darth Plaugeis) --Mantus 18:50, 15 May 2005 (UTC)

  • I've actually come around to KFan II's point of view on merging the Darth titles with the individuals who hold them. They're the same people, after all. There's precedent in some Star Wars reference books like The New Essential Guide to Characters, which lists Vader and Anakin in the same entry (it doesn't do that with Palpy and Sidious, because when it was published we didn't officially "know" they were the same person). JSarek 19:43, 15 May 2005 (UTC)
    • That's gonna be a major rewrite, with big headings, but I agree, probably worth it in the long run.--Eion 19:44, 15 May 2005 (UTC)

Palpatine fusion

KFan II, I thought that there was going to be a vote on before you merged (redirected) Palpatine with Darth Sidious. Though I could see a point in merging the articles you should have followed a better procedure first. Anyway, no hard feelings --Mantus 14:31, 17 May 2005 (UTC)

Edit summaries

Hey KFan II. After making an edit to an article, please take a few seconds to describe your edit in the Summary box. It is helpful to other people working on the same article. Thanks! --SparqMan 23:59, 17 May 2005 (UTC)

  • I advise you, KFan to stop putting spoilers in the edit summaries. -- Riffsyphon1024 01:06, 18 May 2005 (UTC)
    • What are you talking about? KFan II 01:34, 19 May 2005 (UTC)

I have a funny joke!

Darth Sidious
Palpatine discusses important political matters with George Lucas.

KFan II 01:49, 19 May 2005 (UTC)

Great picture --Mantus 17:31, 21 May 2005 (UTC)

Thanks. My dad thought the caption was hilarious. KFan II 03:29, 22 May 2005 (UTC)

Dark Lord of the Sith succession box

Please stop your edits on these. You've now ruined the intents of them. QuentinGeorge 21:16, 24 May 2005 (UTC)

    • I have reverted your edits on the Sith Lords. Please see my talk page for reasoning. QuentinGeorge 21:25, 24 May 2005 (UTC)

Palpatine merging

One again, I hold no position of power in this Wiki. However, you really should stop posting things on users who voted to merge the Palpatine and Sidious pages under Palpatine's talk pages, telling them that their opinion is wrong. People can have opinions. In the words of Captain Mifune, "Not everyone believes what you beleive!"--Darth Fisto 22:24, 24 May 2005 (UTC)

  • KFan, I might as well post what I said on my own talk page here- whether or not Palpatine was given the name Sidious early in life, and whether or not Palpatine was his real name, he continued to rule under the name Palpatine even after it had served his purpose as a public face. He became the Emperor Palpatine even after the Jedi Order was destroyed. If Sidious was his 'real' name, as you say, then WHY did he not use that name when he was the Emperor? As it stands, Palpatine is the closest thing he has ro a real name, and so there is little logic in putting them under his Sith title. --Fade 23:10, 24 May 2005 (UTC)
    • I am just trying to tell people that they are doing the wrong thing. I know people can have opinions, but that doesn't mean I can't persuade them to change their opinions. In a democracy, everyone can speak his/her mind. Personally, I don't care that he kept Palpatine after he became Emperor. It has no significance. Besides, if he called himself "Darth Sidious", wouldn't his officers question him, first, about "Darth", as it was the same as Vader's, and then, if they learned about the Sith (which must not be that hard, I mean, they probably still had libaries), and then they would question his goodness. I am just trying to make a point. Keep your opinion, I don't care! KFan II 01:48, 25 May 2005 (UTC)
      • There's no more fact to your opinion than there is mine. Less in fact, as I don't think his officers would care about his 'goodness', considering he was a well known tyrant anyway. I may be wrong, but I think in EU canon it's fairly common knowledge that Vader is known as a Lord of Sith. And why didn't he just call himself Sidious? No one assumed this 'Tyranus' was Sith without the Darth title. Either way, it wouldn't matter to the people of the time. Sith, Jedi, what's the difference to them, except the Sith brought them stability and the Jedi tried to destroy the Senate (as far as they know)? Provide sources if you arn't just making massive assumptions. The evidence we have suggests that Darth Sidious was no more his name than Fade is mine. --Fade 09:46, 25 May 2005 (UTC)
  • KFan II, stop trying to push your own opinion as fact. There are no sources that say:
    • Palpatine's real name isn't palpatine.
    • Palpatine was apprenticed at a young age (Maul was, but we know this because we have sources that specifically say this)
    • That "Darth Sidious" is his real name and that Palpatine is an alias.
  • You are trying to push your own fanon into these articles. Please stop to consider the nature of this wiki. QuentinGeorge 06:15, 25 May 2005 (UTC)
    • This matter is dealt with. KFan II 14:41, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)

OK

We don't hate you KFan II. We just think that you have radical ideas and sometimes your manner and attitude to those who don't agree with your ideas is not very good. At least your idea of merging palpatine and Sidious has sparked (i think) a rather interesting debate. --Darth Mantus 09:38, 26 May 2005 (UTC)

  • Of course we don't hate you. You need to discern between disagreement and hatred. You must remember that this is a community created site. Your voice has just as much validity as the next person's. But you must bear in mind that you cannot force your ideas upon SWW if the majority does not agree. And I, as a "people," an admin, a user, and a web friend, do not hate you.  :) WhiteBoy 03:56, 27 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Hate is useless. I don't hate you. I see a lot of my younger self in you. This is a group effort, and everyone's ideas are valid and important, and no one, not even an admin's, opinion overrides any one else’s. This is administration and expansion by consensus, help use add to the wiki, help us expand it. There is not point fighting over two square feet of real estate when a whole outback waits to be explored and built upon. You’ve got to choose your battles carefully, and put your efforts where they will do the most good.--Eion 04:03, 27 May 2005 (UTC)
    • I understand. I'll edit my userpage. Thanks for not hating me. KFan II 18:59, 27 May 2005 (UTC)

Why?

  • Again you have reverted back Sidious' Dark Lord of the Sith succession box? Why are you doing this? Read the article, the way I had it was correct. QuentinGeorge 22:27, 28 May 2005 (UTC)
    • I did it becuase Sidious is a Dark Lord of the Sith! Sheesh! Anyone can see that! KFan II 23:57, 28 May 2005 (UTC)
      • The point is that Sidious is, at any given time, one of two Dark Lords. The original version of the succession box was meant to show this. (One compromise might be to have two succession boxes -- one for the masters, one for the apprentices.) Silly Dan 00:25, 29 May 2005 (UTC)
        • I second that. -- Riffsyphon1024 00:43, 29 May 2005 (UTC)
        • I think we're going to have to go with two boxes, even I'm confused by the current set-up.--Eion 00:44, 29 May 2005 (UTC)
      • (Sigh) You didn't really answer my question, KFanII. I wish you would actually read the articles you contribute to. What was there already said that "Sidious is a Dark Lord of the Sith", but also addresses the fact that he was Dark Lord while his Master, Plagueius was still alive. That said, I'm in favour of the above compromise from Eion. QuentinGeorge 01:49, 29 May 2005 (UTC)
        • No, no, no! The title Dark Lord of the Sith was given/taken to/by the Head of the Sith Order. In Darth Bane's New Sith Order, the master is the head of the order, the title is his/hers! KFan II 14:43, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
          • I'm sorry, but you are wrong. Power of the Jedi, the Darkside Sourcebook and various other sources up to and including the movies all state, quite clearly, that both the Sith Master and Sith Apprentice hold the title Dark Lord of the Sith. I repeat, the tradition of a sole Dark Lord of the Sith ended in the reign of Kaan when he made all the various high-ranking Sith Lords Dark Lords.
            • Here's how it goes. There are three periods in Sith History. The first goes from the first Dark Lord to Kaan. In this period, only one Sith has the title Dark Lord of the Sith, and his suceeded upon his death or deposition. Then, Kaan declares that "all are equal in the Brotherhood of Darkness", and the Sith begin to be ruled by a council of several "Dark Lords" (see the Jedi vs. Sith comic, or read the Power of the Jedi sourcebook. Then, Darth Bane starts his new order after the Battle of Ruusan. In his order, there are only two members at a time and both hold the title Dark Lord of the Sith. If you think otherwise, I'm afraid you are wrong, it is as simple as that my friend. This is what current canon states. QuentinGeorge 05:30, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Succession box

Please, stop adding that. Also, write in PAST TENSE. --Imperialles 14:38, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)

  • Since when can users order other people around? What am I doing wrong. I AM WRITING IN PAST TENSE. KFan II 14:40, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
    • Sith Master is a title taken by a Sith if he/she has an apprentice. In Darth Bane's New Sith Order, the Sith Master held the title Dark Lord of the Sith.

That's present, correct? As for the succession box, it's seriously underdeveloped, and doesn't add to the article. --Imperialles 14:43, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)

    • By the way, I have corrected that article to conform to what the current canon actually states. QuentinGeorge 05:30, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Oops, sorry! The succession box is just cool! I mean, it is kind of important if you want to know who was before/after him. My dad learned a lot from those succession boxes. KFan II 14:45, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)

  • What's your reasoning behind Exar being succeeded by Ulic? Exar's article seems to indicate that he died after Ulic returned to the light, thus he was never succeeded by him. You realise that box doesn't mean "next person to be made Sith", right? As you seem to have done this before (such as on Bastila and Malak's articles) --Fade 15:16, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I get what you are saying. I'll fix that. Thanx. KFan II 15:18, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)

  • Once again, please remember to use past tense in in-universe articles. --Imp 14:22, 15 Jan 2006 (UTC)

Thankyou

Thankyou very much for nominating me as Wookiepedian of the month. It is an honour for you to put me forward and once again I say thankyou. --Darth Mantus 10:15, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Your welcome. Thank you for being fo kind and helping me in situations I could not possibly win in alone. KFan II

Image sources

Hey KFan, it'd be convenient if you'd include the sources for the images you upload. This is both to ensure that the image is deemed as fair use, and that it is canonical. And while we're at it, don't upload fan art (such as the image for Darth Plagueis, which has been removed), as this is considered fanon. --Imp 00:48, 7 Aug 2005 (UTC)

  • Sorry. You see, the image for Plagueis was from Wikipedia. I don't know if its been removed or not. I'll try to tell the source in my updates from now on. I'm just trying to improve Wookieepedia. Also, my name is KFan II KFan II
    • Ah, no biggie then. Also, what happened to KFan I? --Imp 00:55, 7 Aug 2005 (UTC)
      • That was my original username on Wikipedia. I called myself "KFan II" because in previous websites with usernames, the username I had wanted had always been taken, and the computer suggested stuff like - lets say the original name was Oltk - Oltk17 or Oltk2856. I just thought there already was a KFan, so I decided to play is safe. And I guess the name stuck. KFan II 01:05, 7 Aug 2005 (UTC)

Basic things

KFan, please remember to bold the article subjects and to make all sentences refering to in-universe in past tense. -- Riffsyphon1024 03:36, 16 Aug 2005 (UTC)

  • Alright. What did I not bold, and what did I not right in past tense? KFan II 14:27, 16 Aug 2005 (UTC)

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sith orgnision

Empire is not a sith orgnision, it was just created and ruled for most part by a sith Most of its officials were not sith. Empire existed for at list for sometime under a non-sith leadership. King2006 05:30, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

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Sourcing

You've been around long enough to know how to properly format and source a new page. Do it right, or you'll lose the ability to do it at all. -- Darth Culator (Talk) 18:06, May 30, 2010 (UTC)

Tor Vizsla

Please stop readding irrelevant trivia in Tor Vizsla's behind the scenes section. We do not know if the character was named after a Hungarian word or not; unless it's been confirmed, please do not readd it. Thank you for your cooperation, JangFett (Talk) 17:16, June 27, 2010 (UTC)

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