Master Jonathan

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Manning the Wookieepedia table at Celebration Anaheim Edit

Hello. This message is to inform you of new developments regarding Wookieepedia's presence at Celebration Anaheim this upcoming April. Since you had previously expressed interest in attending and manning a table if we got one, I'm passing this along to you so you're aware what's going on and can provide feedback if need be. Please check out the discussion here. Thanks. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 18:42, November 20, 2014 (UTC)

I can't though, because I'm blocked from leaving messages on that wiki too. Please don't block me here too. Awesomekid120 (talk) 22:49, November 23, 2014 (UTC)Awesomekid120

Help with page move Edit

Hi MJ. Can you move a page for me as I am unable to complete the move myself? Please move Power pack to Power pack per naming policy. All recent sources call this "power pack" and NOT "power pak." I left more details on the article's talk page. Thanks.--Richterbelmont10 R2 sig(come in R2!) 17:58, December 6, 2014 (UTC)

  • Pardon my interruption, Jonathan: Having seen Richter's talk page explanation before but not leaving comment, I would like the point out that he provides no evidence that "all" recent sources use "power pack." He lists several recent sources, but it's still possible there are recent sources using "power pak." Until this can be determined, Richter should not presume to declare a page move under the Naming policy. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 18:04, December 6, 2014 (UTC)
    • Personally, I think there's more than enough evidence on the talk page to warrant a move (outside the RPG books, which all use "power pack", it's not something that would be mentioned in many sources to begin with). However, since you (Tope) got here before I did, I'll defer to you under WP:AA. Rather than turning my talk page into a forum (and thus spamming my email), further discussion should be continued on the article's talk page, which I've added to my watchlist so that I will see messages there. —MJ— Jedi Council Chambers 19:21, December 6, 2014 (UTC)

Targeting Computer redirectEdit

I would just like to point out that the Targeting Computer redirect and similar redirects are still needed if they are linked in pages.--Exiled Jedi Oldrepublic crest (Greetings) 23:44, December 21, 2014 (UTC)

Then the correct solution is to fix those links to point to the right place. Creating a redirect is the lazy solution and an actively harmful one because it fouls up Wikia's link suggestion feature. —MJ— Holocomm 23:45, December 21, 2014 (UTC)
If you delete the article, I believe it is your job to fix the links.--Exiled Jedi Oldrepublic crest (Greetings) 23:47, December 21, 2014 (UTC)

Redirects Edit

Please do not delete legitimate redirects. I do not create these simply because they are a different case; the original sources format them this way making them legitimate search terms. In addition, Monobook search is case-sensitive even though Oasis is not. I will be recreating any legitimate redirect you delete. Thank you. - Sir Cavalier of OneFarStar(Squadron channel) 23:47, December 21, 2014 (UTC)

Monobook is not case-sensitive, and hasn't been for years. I have commented out the outdated code in User:Cavalier One/monobook.js that was causing it to be case-sensitive for you; that code has not been needed for a long time, and the gadget for it was deleted months if not over a year ago. Please bypass your cache in order for that edit to take effect. —MJ— Training Room 23:50, December 21, 2014 (UTC)
And I reverted it. I did not ask for, nor appreciate, your editing of my .js page. In either case, it is still a legitimate search term as it is directly from the original source material. Thank you. - Sir Cavalier of OneFarStar(Squadron channel) 23:53, December 21, 2014 (UTC)
And when entered in search, it will automatically resolve to the uncapitalized version if you are not using outdated code, and as I also said, these redirects ACTIVELY foul up Wikia's link suggestion feature. Therefore they are harmful and will continue to be deleted. —MJ— Holocomm 23:56, December 21, 2014 (UTC)
So, basically, you are going to delete any legitimate alternative capitalization for any legitimate article name that is presented in an official source? And I'm not taking about a simple case issue here; as I said, the redirect was not created to cover search terms. The official source presents the article is question with this alternate capitalization, making creation of the redirect legitimate. - Sir Cavalier of OneFarStar(Squadron channel) 00:09, December 22, 2014 (UTC)
And again, there is no need for it, because when the alternate capitalization is entered in the search box (which, despite your claim to the contrary, is the ONLY purpose of a redirect), MediaWiki will resolve it to the capitalization that we use, unless you insist on using outdated JavaScript code, in which case that's your problem, not mine. And when the alternate capitalization redirect actively fouls up Wikia's link suggestion feature by causing it to show only the redirect and not the actual article title then the redirect becomes harmful, and a harmful redirect with no good reason to exist should not ever be allowed to exist. —MJ— Training Room 00:15, December 22, 2014 (UTC)
To reiterate: redirects do NOT exist to document what official sources use. That is the purpose of the article proper. Redirects are search aids, and absolutely nothing more. —MJ— Comlink 00:16, December 22, 2014 (UTC)
I'm just going to say this: There are hundreds if not thousands of these types of redirects on Wookieepedia right now. To single out and pick on one arbitrarily because you happened to see it created in the Recent changes is pretty ridiculous. Either delete them all or don't delete any of them. And since the deletion is obviously being contested, I would suggest a CT to settle this. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 00:25, December 22, 2014 (UTC)
CT? Coming right up. —MJ— Jedi Council Chambers 00:27, December 22, 2014 (UTC)
Please see Forum:CT:Alternate capitalization redirects. —MJ— Holocomm 00:46, December 22, 2014 (UTC)

Wiki vs. wikia Edit

Hi MJ. Just noticed your edit where you changed "wikia" back to "wiki" in the Star Wars Fanpedia section of the Official Friends page. As the person who runs Fanpedia, I must object to your change. I consider Fanpedia a wikia, not a wiki, so by changing it to "wiki" you are misrepresenting Fanpedia on the Official Friends page.

The change to "wikia" over "wiki" is something each individual community and each individual user can choose to adopt or not adopt. It's a branding decision on the Wikia level but communities still get to make the choice about how they refer to themselves. As the person responsible for Fanpedia, I have made the choice to use "wikia" as it best represents Fanpedia's goal to be an interactive and social site based around news and other editorial information, rather than strict encyclopedic content. You'll also note that I only used "wikia" in reference to Fanpedia, and did not change it in any other section.

So as I said at the beginning of this message, please revert your change so Fanpedia is once again, correctly, listed as a "wikia." Whether Wookieepedia wants to use the word "wikia" doesn't change the fact that Fanpedia is a wikia. Thanks. - Brandon Rhea(talk) 07:24, December 29, 2014 (UTC)

You'll have to talk to the other admins and get a consensus. I am not reverting the change on my own. Wookieepedia is ultimately responsible for its own content, so by using "wikia" on that page, the reader may gain the impression that the administration of Wookieepedia supports Wikia and its features, policies, etc., which is largely not true (e.g. the many times we've butted heads with Wikia in the past). I would much rather avoid giving such an impression. Also, to use that term for one wiki and not others that are also hosted by Wikia is inconsistent within that page, and potentially confusing to an uninitiated reader. —MJ— Comlink 07:30, December 29, 2014 (UTC)
Very well. I'll talk to the others. I must say I'm disappointed, though. - Brandon Rhea(talk) 07:37, December 29, 2014 (UTC)
After thinking about it for a few minutes, I would support something along the lines of "Wikia-hosted community" as a compromise. That gets the Wikia branding in there without implying that we support Wikia. Would that work for you? —MJ— Holocomm 07:43, December 29, 2014 (UTC)

Aurebesh imagesEdit

Hello, I noticed your edit to Wookieepedia:Jundland Wastes with the Aurebesh redlink. When I deleted those Aurebesh images from the unused images, I asked several people whether they were used in a template or not, and I was told that they were not being used. If some of those images need to be used in the Aurebesh templates, please feel free to restore them or give me a list of the ones that need to be restored. I'm sorry if I deleted something that was in use.--Exiled Jedi Oldrepublic crest (Greetings) 07:45, February 5, 2015 (UTC)

Ah, I was wondering why some characters were present only as regular or only as bold. Essentially, any file with a name of the format "File:AurebeshSans-Serif <character>.png" or "File:AurebeshSans-SerifBold <character>.png" is part of the {{Aur}} or {{AurB}} templates and should be restored. I'll probably be working with the templates a little more in the coming days, as I would like to convert both to a single Lua-based template. —MJ— Jedi Council Chambers 07:52, February 5, 2015 (UTC)
All right, I'll find those images and restore them.--Exiled Jedi Oldrepublic crest (Greetings) 07:56, February 5, 2015 (UTC)

Template:Aur and Template:AurBEdit

Just to give you a heads up, I noticed that Template:Aur and Template:AurB are breaking when they are used inside of an infobox, as can be seen on several user pages. I would appreciate you looking into it. Thank you.--Exiled Jedi Oldrepublic crest (Greetings) 16:23, February 6, 2015 (UTC)

Shouldn't be a problem anymore. I actually suspect that this was more properly a bug with the core MediaWiki table parser, in that it was taking a valid image link and recognizing an interior portion of that link as the start of a new table cell instead of treating the whole link as one unit. At any rate, I tweaked the module so it won't happen again. —MJ— Jedi Council Chambers 20:35, February 6, 2015 (UTC)
Reported as MediaWiki task T88839. —MJ— War Room 20:56, February 6, 2015 (UTC)

Filling in canon redlinks Edit

Hi. As someone who has been involved in recent Senate Hall discussions about a Canon/Legends default change, I wanted to draw your attention to this thread and invite you to participate in our efforts to fill in as many /Canon redlinks as possible. Hope to see you join in! - Brandon Rhea(talk) 20:53, March 1, 2015 (UTC)

Lua Edit

MJ, you've got issues with whatever Lua module you just instituted, because this category is way too full. Cade StupidRepublicEmblem-Traced-TORkit Calrayn 02:17, March 23, 2015 (UTC)

Fixed. I'm setting it up based on the existing parameter-checking code at the bottom of each template, and "type" was not listed in that code on {{Character}}. It may take some time for the job queue to empty out the category. —MJ— Training Room 02:21, March 23, 2015 (UTC)
I ran my bot through to speed things up, and the false positives are gone now. The rest actually have unrecognized parameters and need to be checked by a human. —MJ— Jedi Council Chambers 03:05, March 23, 2015 (UTC)

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