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First off, you are far more likely to reach me if you leave a message on my user page.
You're absolutely right, I should have brought it to your user talk page, and for that I apologize. I didn't realize that your comment was just copy/pasted there, my bad.
Second off, at the time I put this up, the creator of that art work seemed to not know why she was on Wookieepedia.
I think the way you asked it was really the problem, as you seemed to assume that Evolvana was Herbsewell. Of course she should be puzzled since you thought she was a user on Wookieepedia, which she was not. If you'll see, she even says later that she thought someone requested to use her artwork on Wookieepedia. Why didn't you follow that up?
The uploader should have provided some proof or release showing that they had the right to use the image, and they did not.
My mistake then. I assumed that since you found Evolvana from Wookieepedia, that Evolvana had been mentioned in the description on the image in question. I find that to be at least an effort to give her the credit. If that wasn't the case, then it's my misunderstanding.
I am not going to go through someones message archive to find that, it should have been provided here on Wookieepedia on the image page. It was not.
I am just puzzled as to why you didn't go to Herbsewell first to determine whether or not he had "ripped" the image. I'm not asking you to go through her entire message archive, but the request was on the second page. You don't exactly have to go searching to find it. I assumed that Herbsewell had given credit on the image since you found Evolvana from Wookieepedia, if not then I'm sorry you were in the right.
In addition, that post shows that Evolvana requested to be shown this page before putting the image up, and there is no reply showing that the uploader did that. Therefore, they may not have met the requirements set for permission to use the image.
Perfectly understandable, but I already mentioned that Herb probably hadn't shown her the page. Him forgetting to show her the page is not as bad as plain out stealing the image. Cull Tremayne 22:13, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
Seeing as I'm the one who brought Argyus to FA status, I think I should have a right to know if any changes are going to be made before they are actually implemented. In the future, I would appreciate if you would keep this in mind. Grand Moff Tranner (Comlink) 01:33, January 26, 2010 (UTC)
- With all due respect to your work on that article, you do not own the article. It is not my responsibility to look at any articles I edit to see if someone else made contributions to them, and ask them permission to make edits, especially if it is to correct an inaccuracy in the article. It is also not proper grounds for you to revert my edit simply because I didn't ask you for permission or notify you of the changes before I made them. You do not own the article, the Wookieepedia community owns the article. --OuroborosCobra 01:36, January 26, 2010 (UTC)
- There is absolutely zero need for hostility. And there is a thing called common courtesy. If you believed that a change should have been made, you should have discussed it with me first, not just because I was the one who FA'd the article, but - as you said it yourself - the community owns the article. From what I can tell, there was no "community" involved in your edit. As to why I initially reverted your edit, I was unaware of the situation. Had you brought it to my attention, I wouldn't have reverted it in the first place. Grand Moff Tranner (Comlink) 01:42, January 26, 2010 (UTC)
Again, I am under no obligation to contact you or any other editor to ask permission to make edits to articles. I brought up the problem on Talk:Senate Commando months ago, waited months for that discussion to continue, and nothing else happened on that. I was bold and made the change. Hell, I don't think it could even be described as bold, seeing as I'd waited months for the discussion front to work, and had been largely ignored except by a single editor who never presented any evidence that these captains were the leaders of the entire branch. You want to know why I am being hostile? Because I made an edit and had it reverted apparently not because of the content of my edit or the facts involved, which I put out in my edit summary and linked to the discussion regarding, but because you personally didn't like that I touched an article without talking to you first. I will continue to be clear, this is not your article. I am under no obligation to contact you before making an edit to it. Reverting my edit simply for not contacting you is not a proper reason for reverting. Now, do you have a problem with the actual content of my edit, either its style or whether it is factual? If not, I do not think there is anything else for us to discuss, as those are the only two grounds for you to revert my edits, as I am not being vandalistic. --OuroborosCobra 01:48, January 26, 2010 (UTC)
- I'm sorry that this situation has blown out of proportions through my actions and words. However, I must emphasis that while notifying me would have been unnecessary, the change should have first been discussed on the talk page for Argyus, since the article is an Featured Article. That way, we would have been able to cooperate in the issue instead. I'm aware that I do not own that article, or any article for that matter, and I'm sorry if I've made it seem like I think that I do own it. Let's just put this issue behind us. Grand Moff Tranner (Comlink) 02:14, January 26, 2010 (UTC)