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Nomination comments:Possibly some of the most clunky wording in an article, but this guy has no defined gender. Hopefully enough copy-edits will smooth out the bumps... Trak NarRamble on 03:38, March 7, 2013 (UTC)
I would say an article for the guy's species should be added, seeing as it's pretty unique.CC7567(talk) 21:12, March 9, 2013 (UTC)
The thing is... we had an article. However, after a discussion with other people, it was deemed that the article be removed. Trak NarRamble on 02:17, March 12, 2013 (UTC)
Was there an issue with the notability of the species, then? Because to my knowledge we've had articles for less. Just want to make sure. CC7567(talk) 02:50, March 14, 2013 (UTC)
There was an issue with the validity of the species article, as it was written by a user who had a history of not checking his/her facts first. However, I'll run the article by another user again and see what they think, and then go ahead and make a species article, if it is deemed necessary. At the moment, we're looking into other species to see if this maestro might possibly be of an existing race. Trak NarRamble on 01:29, March 15, 2013 (UTC)
If I may interject, Skeeter appears to be the same species as the conductor.—Jedi Kasra ("Indeed.") 01:54, March 15, 2013 (UTC)
Skeeter was brought up as a possible match, but he has six limbs, whereas our nameless conductor only has four. Other than that, they do share a number of similarities, and I had noted it in the Bts, only to remove it later. Trak NarRamble on 01:57, March 15, 2013 (UTC)
Okay, an article has been made and linked to. Trak NarRamble on 02:55, March 16, 2013 (UTC)
"Unknown" should be avoided if possible to maintain an IU perspective, as "unknown" is more from an OOU perspective, since the species' name wasn't necessarily "unknown" in-universe. CC7567(talk) 14:59, March 16, 2013 (UTC)
Unless I have a source that the quote was indeed inspired by the movie, then I can't include it. However, I could always hunt down the contact information of the comic's author and run the question by him. Not sure how soon I would be able to do that, though, so that may be a tidbit that would be added later. Trak NarRamble on 01:29, March 15, 2013 (UTC)
Just a heads up - terms like "unnamed" "unknown" or "unidentified" are not used in the article bodies when refering to species with no canonical name. I've removed the references and covered the removal, but please check for readability. - Sir Cavalier of One(Squadron channel) 11:31, March 20, 2013 (UTC)
One more - I think we're going to have an article for the attack on the liner, or see if we have one laying around the Wook somewhere to link to. - Sir Cavalier of One(Squadron channel) 20:34, March 25, 2013 (UTC)
Jangeth
Please reload your infobox JangFett(Talk) 21:58, April 7, 2013 (UTC)
While minor, it is not appropriate to have "unidentified" within the infobox. Normally you would try to describe it as best as you can or in this case just stick with "insectoid species."
Just to be sure, was Qui-Gon a Jedi Master in the comics or a Knight? Sorry, I've always familiarized him as a Master. :P
The comic doesn't specify. Trak NarRamble on 03:09, April 12, 2013 (UTC)
...but other sources do. According to page 8 of Jedi Apprentice: The Rising Force (for example), Jinn is a Master as of 44 BBY. In absence of any evidence of demotion, it's safe to assume that he was still a Master six years later. —MJ—Jedi Council Chambers 03:18, April 12, 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for the info! Fixed now. Trak NarRamble on 03:25, April 12, 2013 (UTC)
Please double check my work in the appearance section. Did he appear in both comics? JangFett(Talk) 04:10, April 9, 2013 (UTC)
He appears in both comics, and I had originally written those appearances that way, only for it to be changed to just mention the series as a whole. Trak NarRamble on 03:09, April 12, 2013 (UTC)
From the Council Chambers:
The intro is confusing; you show the Jedi crashing the party, then (apparently) back up to explain the terrorist attack, before bringing the Jedi in again. Can we move things around here so that they're in the order they actually occurred? It would make a whole lot more sense that way.
Better, but still a bit confusing. You still show the Jedi crashing in from nowhere, then back up to say they were dispatched, which is out of order. Say why and that they were sent to the ship, then show them dropping in. The first bio paragraph shows what I mean. —MJ—War Room 06:04, April 12, 2013 (UTC)
The BTS has too much fluff. There's no need to retell the character's entire story again from an OOU perspective. Everything from the third sentence on can go.
Please separate the second sentence after "security droids." Same for the last intro sentence after "evacuees." MasterFred(Whatever) 14:43, May 14, 2013 (UTC)
Dogma
In the intro, who are the mollusks? It should be stated that they are part of the band.
The intro is quite large in comparison to the article, so you might want to remove a non-essential sentence or two.
The end of the bio where the guy is about to leave has a bit of play by play with the dialogue. You should probably tone it down a bit. 501stdogma(talk) 20:52, May 16, 2013 (UTC)
Comments
Vote to remove nomination (AC only)
I am sorry, Trak, I'm sure you had your valid reasons, but this has been on for a while and since you've been unresponsive, I think it's the only way. You can always get this baby up some other time ;) Winterz (talk) 00:51, May 19, 2013 (UTC)
*"when her parents were arrested as Alliance to Restore the Republic". I don't know what you mean there.
I don't know either... Done.
Beef up that Bts, ma man! Context on H&R, is it a book? a comic series? Who wrote it? Who was the artist that illustrated Dystra's pretty face?
I don't really have an author for the section on her but I did add the other info I had.
Sources call for {{1stm}} instead of {{1st}}, even if the subject is pictured. I don't know why either, but I've had this objection presented to me a lot of times.
Huh, ok.
Does the source say "unnecessary risks"? If not, please remove, as that is a POV.
Yes, the exact quote is "Her enthusiasm could be her undoing as she takes unnecessary risks and short cuts to make her collar."
Please present a source indicating 13 BBY was a golden Imperial era.
Word changed.
Context on Coruscant, appropriately sourced.
I thought "planet" was context?
See what I did. Stake blackmsg 16:17, March 21, 2013 (UTC)
Context on the Rebel Alliance, COMPNOR, stormtroopers, New Order, Alliance Special Operations and New Republic.
Done.
"determined to do justice for the cause that her parents had believed in." Didn't she believe in the cause too? This should be included. Maybe you could also reword as "she was determined to do justice for the cause her parents died for" or something of the sort.
Wording adjusted
"Twice Dystra found herself in dangerous actions during which she was wounded." This could use some rewording.
Done.
You can also describe her attire somewhere in the article.
I'm not sure how I can incorporate that smoothly. And the image doesn't really show if its a police uniform she has on or just regular clothes.
You could mention she wore goggles sometimes in the Personality and traits section. Stake blackmsg 16:17, March 21, 2013 (UTC)
I did find a reference to a uniform so both have been added. Coruscantfan(Talk) 18:48, March 25, 2013 (UTC)
For now that's it. Stake blackmsg 16:08, March 16, 2013 (UTC)
No stakes involved
The "briefly" in the infobox must be decapitalized.
Done.
The "young" assessment, does that say in the source or was it you who assumed it through her appearance?
No, that's from the source. Coruscantfan(Talk) 18:46, March 25, 2013 (UTC)
Reload infobox.Winterz (talk) 12:45, March 25, 2013 (UTC)
Whoops, missed this earlier. Done now. Coruscantfan(TaEvlk) 05:07, April 1, 2013 (UTC)
First appearance in Sources?!Winterz (talk) 15:38, April 3, 2013 (UTC)
Yep, so... are you wanting it removed? Coruscantfan(Talk) 05:05, April 5, 2013 (UTC)
He means it should be {{1stm}}, since it's a source. CadeCalrayn 05:33, April 5, 2013 (UTC)
Even though we all know it the article doesn't clearly say that the Rebels became the new republic somewhere in there.Commander Code-8G'day, mate 23:11, April 12, 2013 (UTC)
Okay; Dystra's bio on pg. 127 of Heroes and Rogues has all her stats listed. These should be translated into her skill set and applied to her PT. For an example of how this can be achieved see here. Also, there is equipment listed in the stats that is not mentioned in the article, such as her Y-wing and droid, etc.
Done.
The image; I see you correlated Dystra's bio as an NRSF agent with the example bio given earlier in the book for a typical agent. Am I right in assuming that the image is not explicitly stated to be Dystra? - Sir Cavalier of One(Squadron channel) 11:03, May 14, 2013 (UTC)
I went back and looked and there isn't a caption, no. Coruscantfan(Talk) 19:23, May 19, 2013 (UTC)
First off: Intro has to be shortened considerably. Way out of proportion. Do this and I'll take a closer look.IFYLOFD(Floyd's crib) 02:14, March 25, 2013 (UTC)
What I asked you to do in the Skirmish on Rekkiad related to this one, will certainly make you expand the Search article furthermore and a section for the battles, that occurred during it, would also be good.Winterz (talk) 15:08, April 3, 2013 (UTC)
In the infobox you have "24 casualties" for Clan Jendri but that's just what we know from one battle. I think you should use "At least 24" instead.
Clan Jendri only participated in the first skirmish, after that they were never seen/mentioned. I think it's fine the way it is since it does cover what we know, however if you think different I can change it.
Participants section would be great ;)
Added known participants.
You should try and cut down the Aftermath's quote a bit, it's really huge. Whatever you cut should instead be well specified in the text below the quote hence expanding the Aftermath's body making it bigger than the actual quote.Winterz (talk) 11:33, April 16, 2013 (UTC)
Is there a particular reason for the capitalization of the "The Search" section? If the title is conjectural, I don't think 'search' should be capitalized either.1358(Talk) 21:05, March 25, 2013 (UTC)
If the title is conjecctural, you probably shouldn't start the intro with "The search", as that makes it sound like the title is canonical ("The battle of Geonosis" vs. "A battle on Geonosis" for example)1358(Talk) 19:20, April 14, 2013 (UTC)
Ditch the list of participants. Those are things we actively try to eliminate throughout the wiki. I know Winterz asked for it, but he was wrong to.
Removed.
"A search for Mandalore's Mask was a mission undertaken in 3,954 BBY by the surviving Mandalorian clans, leftover from the Mandalorian Wars, gathered on the planet Rekkiad to search for the ancient ceremonial war mask, Mandalore's Mask." The double "search for Mandalore's Mask" is unnecessary here. Change the sentence around.
Changed.
Context on Canderous Ordo in both the intro and body.
Added.
Intro: Context on the Twin Spears.
Added.
First sentence of the Prelude has two sections surrounded by dashes in it. This has to be changed as it's bad for flow.
Changed up.
The way you have it now, the Mandalore's Mask is mentioned before it's actually introduced: "where Jedi Knights Revan and Malak hid Mandalore's Mask six years earlier, to search for the ancient ceremonial war mask, Mandalore's Mask," It's probably best to just split this sentence up and try to get it straightened out. IFYLOFD(Enter the Floydome) 03:25, May 17, 2013 (UTC)
The whole description of the skirmish in the tomb is too play-by-play.
Changed.
You start calling the Mandalorians "Mandos" towards the very end. That's fine, but if you're going to do this, you should integrate this throughout the entire article and give a little context on the term's meaning.IFYLOFD(Enter the Floydome) 04:04, May 16, 2013 (UTC)
Are there articles for the rescue of Attichitcuk and the driving off of the Trade Federation, or are they part of a larger battle? - Sir Cavalier of One(Squadron channel) 09:17, April 12, 2013 (UTC)
All of those are included in the Battle of Alaris Prime article. I'm not overly sure whether they should be split. Commander Code-8G'day, mate 04:30, April 14, 2013 (UTC)
I'll defer to your judgement, but bear in mind they will need to be linked if the battles are split off. - Sir Cavalier of One(Squadron channel) 15:10, April 23, 2013 (UTC)
Wintz
You should source that Bts considering the large explanation.
Done.
May we receive some articles for this settlements and the TF's base which you specify as having markers?Winterz (talk) 17:51, April 30, 2013 (UTC)
I would definitely check various, older sources, Hanzo. Since this guy said something + he could be seen on screen, I would check every single source relating to ANH. Did you check Empire of Dreams too? JangFett(Talk) 18:55, April 17, 2013 (UTC)
That line was from GG1, not the film, in which he had no lines whatsoever. I asked Lelal and Menkooroo to check stuff, and also I made effort to find things on my own, and these were what I got. And as for Empire of Dreams, I'll see about that. Hanzo Hasashi (talk) 01:58, April 18, 2013 (UTC)
That's not what I meant. The "can be scene" refers to the film. ;) I would look carefully at other sources as well. JangFett(Talk) 02:54, April 18, 2013 (UTC)
Yep he's in Empire of Dreams, added it, along with both the Visual Dictionary and the CVD. As for adaptations, his appearances really are scarce in those, as most adaptations tend to not even depict the entrance to the Audience Chamber. Hanzo Hasashi (talk) 16:18, April 18, 2013 (UTC)
Since it a rather "iconic" scene, I would keep looking. For GG1, have you checked the 2nd Ed? Also, what was he named in the first edition. I would mention it in the source list. JangFett(Talk) 13:38, April 21, 2013 (UTC)
He is not in the second edition if I recall correctly. And he was first named as Galen Torg in the first edition, but it was not established that he was any film character at that time. Hanzo Hasashi (talk) 14:06, April 21, 2013 (UTC)
As for the request you made for me to keep looking, are there any sources you have that you could look into? My search, aided by Menkooroo and LelalMekha, has produced only those results thus far. Hanzo Hasashi (talk) 14:15, April 21, 2013 (UTC)
Have you checked the Prima guides for the video games? JangFett(Talk) 14:06, April 23, 2013 (UTC)
No I haven't. Do you have any that you can check? And what games should I even be checking? Hanzo Hasashi (talk) 14:45, April 23, 2013 (UTC)
Oh you probably meant the LEGO Star Wars guides. Hanzo Hasashi (talk) 14:48, April 23, 2013 (UTC)
Got help from Cal Jedi on IRC about those LEGO guides, nothing. Hanzo Hasashi (talk) 00:10, April 24, 2013 (UTC)
Yeah, those Prima guides. I've been looking too and haven't found anything. I'll go ahead and strike this objection within a few days. I just hope everything is in the source list, Hanzo. JangFett(Talk) 15:33, May 3, 2013 (UTC)
Nice work. 501stdogma(talk) 11:28, May 19, 2013 (UTC)
Object
Objections, objections…
History: including the Padawan learner Alek Squinquargesimus… Alright, couple of things. His name was always Alek, actually. Also, he was actually no Padawan, and Revan was his "unofficial" Master, not his actual Jedi Master, thus, Alek was no Padawan.
Umm, as far as I know, Alek was even called "Squint" because others had difficulty pronouncing "Squinquargesimus", so I'd say it was his surname. But I've changed the name to Alek, anyway. And I've changed his rank to Jedi Knight.
Thanks, the basis for the surname not being an "actual" part of his name can be found here.
You seem to be missing a ref at the end of the Description's first sentence. Because of this, you are reffing the Surga sysyem and the Outer Rim in the Description to a different thing than you are reffing to it in the infobox.
I know this is picky, but the BTS isn't in chronological order. Warfare was published after TCSWE, yet you have TCSWE mentioned in the BTS later than Warfare is. Good work otherwise.501stdogma(talk) 00:21, May 19, 2013 (UTC)
In the infobox, you say that he was extracted, but the body says that he fled himself. Perhaps the infobox should reflect that.
No, it says extracted in both.
The place part in the infobox should say Coruscant as well as the Senate Building.
Done.
You need to link to Skirmish in Docking Bay 84 in the body. Could you also try to mention Raid on the Migrant Merchants' Guild warehouse in the body?501stdogma(talk) 00:20, April 16, 2013 (UTC)
Nah, there's no need, as mentioning the prev/conc/next fields isn't necessary - the warehouse raid isn't directly related to the kidnapping. CadeCalrayn 01:09, April 16, 2013 (UTC)
Floyd
"Tarnis requested that Black Sun conduct his "kidnapping" so that he could escape the Senate Building without suspicion and continue with his plans to escape Coruscant." He wanted to continue his plans to escape Coruscant? In the intro it said he wanted to continue his plans to acquire the Planet Prison, but there's no such mention here.IFYLOFD(Floyd's crib) 01:05, April 26, 2013 (UTC)
Bah, fixed. CadeCalrayn 01:10, April 26, 2013 (UTC)
Cav
Little thing: his alias "Eli Tarnis" is not mentioned once in the main section of the article.
There has to be more that can go in the P&T with all his dialogue.IFYLOFD(Floyd's crib) 02:08, April 26, 2013 (UTC)
Those are actually the only dialogue lines he has, other than the descriptions of the advanced classes. I've expanded it as much as I can. CadeCalrayn 02:20, April 26, 2013 (UTC)
Winterz
I've got a picky one. You should probably link Jedi instructor somewhere on the article, like you did with so many others previous to this.Winterz (talk) 01:13, May 19, 2013 (UTC)
I've noticed you use the same reference note in all your applicable articles to source the TOR date. Can this not be more effectively achieved with Template:TOR dates, which was created for this seemingly same purpose?Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 19:05, May 10, 2013 (UTC)
Probably. Changed. (I didn't even realized there was such a template :) ) Imperators II(Talk) 20:28, May 10, 2013 (UTC)
Is there no mention as to whether he is rescued or not?
No. The main focus is the rescue of his wife and grandchildren. It only says a team is going to attempt his rescue.
You mention the Darpa sector briefly in the BTS. You should say that Esseles was in the Darpa sector, to tie the Senator to the Darpa sector more.501stdogma(talk) 23:48, April 21, 2013 (UTC)
I may be wrong about this, but in the first sentence of the intro, isn't species singular therefore needing the verb was? - PrincessGLG 12:19, April 25, 2013 (UTC)
Nope your right, I've corrected it. Ayrehead02 (talk) 12:32, April 25, 2013 (UTC)
There were a few linking and spelling problems I fixed. See here, here, and here.
Ah thanks :) Ayrehead02 (talk) 18:07, April 25, 2013 (UTC)
In the history section, can you link era to the specific era you are talking about? - PrincessGLG 17:35, April 25, 2013 (UTC)
Added the link. Ayrehead02 (talk) 18:07, April 25, 2013 (UTC)
Floyd
Is the title "Cerean riding beast" really accurate if you never actually say anywhere that the beast was native to Cerea?
Would Cerea riding beast be better since it was defiantly on Cerea even if it wasn't from there? Or something like long-neck riding beast? Ayrehead02 (talk) 11:56, April 29, 2013 (UTC)
Unidentified long-necked riding beast would be my selection. IFYLOFD(Floyd's crib) 00:27, April 30, 2013 (UTC)
"During its time in Tecave it was startled by a pair of swoop bikes driving past at high speed, a technology not allowed within the city, but used by the pro-technology swoop riding gang, the Techrats, which the two Cerean bikers who startled the beast were members of." Sentence carries on too long and hurts the flow.
Split it up, is it ok now? Ayrehead02 (talk) 11:56, April 29, 2013 (UTC)
One of the refs reads this way: "The New Essential Guide to Alien Species pp." You put in "pp." but have no actual page number. IFYLOFD(Floyd's crib) 23:24, April 28, 2013 (UTC)
Yeah as I said in the comments I'm still trying to find my copy of the New Essential guide to species to find the page number although I've still had no luck. If I don't find it soon I'll post a request on the forums. Ayrehead02 (talk) 11:56, April 29, 2013 (UTC)
The page number for the New essential guide to species will be added soon once I can find my copy of the book. Ayrehead02 (talk) 18:25, April 21, 2013 (UTC)
After looking for quite some time I seem to of lost my copy of the book could anyone else be so kind as to look up the Cerean page for me? Ayrehead02 (talk) 16:05, May 11, 2013 (UTC)
If it's that much trouble, you don't have to have the page number. IFYLOFD(Enter the Floydome) 23:40, May 17, 2013 (UTC)
Bonus points for the use of ne'er-do-well. I would also had accepted ruffian, cad, or bounder. - Sir Cavalier of One(Squadron channel) 15:01, May 16, 2013 (UTC)
Just to be sure, there aren't any quotes available? - PrincessGLG 12:07, April 26, 2013 (UTC)
There are some referring specifically to the Death masks, Jiliac says "A death mask from Langoona!" but no quote specfically refers to the species. This reminds me though I should add the quote to the mask article so thanks. Ayrehead02 (talk) 12:18, April 26, 2013 (UTC)
Savaged…
Technically, you can't have the other sections of the article without a "Biology and appearance" section. Since we don't know anything about what they look like, it's best to just have a one-line section that says, "The Langoonans were a sentient species" or the equivalent. It's silly, I know, but our Manual of Style requires it.
Added although I'm not sure if the mask line is relevant but one line seemed odd. Ayrehead02 (talk) 16:37, April 26, 2013 (UTC)
That works, but you should take the "sentient species" bit out of "Society & culture" now. ~Savage 13:32, April 28, 2013 (UTC)
I'd add the quote about the death mask as the lead quote. It's about their culture, so it's pertinent. You can probably even add another quote about the death masks to the "Society and culture" section, since that exchange between the Hutts goes on for a few lines. More later! ~Savage 13:42, April 26, 2013 (UTC)
Ok added the quote with a bit more explanation then on the mask page. Ayrehead02 (talk) 16:37, April 26, 2013 (UTC)
Be sure only to use "pp." in references if you're giving a page range (e.g., pp. 3–5). If it's a single page, just use "p."
Ah, sorry, overlooked it! ~Savage 13:06, April 29, 2013 (UTC)
Can you go into a bit more detail on the death masks thing? Like, just something small like mentioning which Hutt thought the death mask was valued art, and which didn't (from the story in Rebel Dawn). ~Savage 13:43, April 28, 2013 (UTC)
I'll mention that Durga considered them art but I don't think you can assume Jiliac doesn't think them art. I interpreted it as her becoming angry at receiving it due to the fact Durga was using it as a message to allude to his plans to kill her. Ayrehead02 (talk) 20:02, April 28, 2013 (UTC)
OK, last little thing: I see you have them first mentioned in Rebel Dawn, but only first identified in The Essential Atlas. Should the Rebel Dawn mention get the {{Imo}} template? ~Savage 13:06, April 29, 2013 (UTC)
Please check your linking. There are several things you have missed linking to.
Think I got them all. Ayrehead02 (talk) 17:53, April 27, 2013 (UTC)
Root actually links to some guy, so that doesn't need to be linked. Limb should actually link to feet as it occurs in the article before hands. Trader can be linked to merchant, and foodstuff can be linked. - PrincessGLG 19:04, April 27, 2013 (UTC)
Wow didn't realise so many common terms had pages. Fixed them all. Ayrehead02 (talk) 10:44, April 28, 2013 (UTC)
Root is still linked in the infobox. Otherwise, looks good. - PrincessGLG 11:50, April 28, 2013 (UTC)
Ah woops now gone. Ayrehead02 (talk) 12:08, April 28, 2013 (UTC)
Shroud needs italicized as it is a ship. Galaxy of Fear: City of the Dead needs italicized in the Bts. - PrincessGLG 11:07, April 27, 2013 (UTC)
Just one thing. You describe the hypothetical victim of the Tal Nami's execution with the word his. Do we know they had the male sex, then? If not, I'd replace the his with the. ~Savage 13:27, April 30, 2013 (UTC)
Changed as you suggested. Ayrehead02 (talk) 16:13, April 30, 2013 (UTC)
Whose droid was it? Was it just a random one standing by?
The comic itself makes no indication it was his, as he says something along the lines of it being Imperial property.—Jedi Kasra ("Indeed.") 18:11, April 30, 2013 (UTC)
Could you say out right that Cade took the cargo after mindtricking them?
Any idea how Cade got on the ship?
Could we have context on the Second Imperial Civil War?
Good work. 501stdogma(talk) 00:09, April 27, 2013 (UTC)
All taken care of, I believe.—Jedi Kasra ("Indeed.") 21:24, April 27, 2013 (UTC)
How about mentioning his earlier meeting with the Jedi? You could also add in the P&T that he knew the Jedi would return some day.501stdogma(talk) 22:20, April 27, 2013 (UTC)
I won't ask for an article for the Jedi, but somebody might, so its up to you. 501stdogma(talk) 23:43, April 28, 2013 (UTC)
Floyd
Same objection from Guerno; the one mentioning the year.
"during the Second Imperial Civil War, a galactic between Krayt's Empire and deposed Emperor Roan Fel's Empire-in-exile." Missing word, I assume.IFYLOFD(Enter the Floydome) 04:34, May 16, 2013 (UTC)
Give a year in the intro, to give a sense of the real time period of these events.
"who convinced them that Black Sun pirates stole the cargo." How? I know you link to mind trick, but it would be better to actually state it.IFYLOFD(Floyd's crib) 23:52, April 28, 2013 (UTC)
Both done. Thanks for the review.—Jedi Kasra ("Indeed.") 18:08, April 30, 2013 (UTC)
Nominated by: Stake blackmsg 02:43, April 25, 2013 (UTC)
Nomination comments: Heartbreaking to nominate it at 900 words and not have it as a FA, but here's to hope the reviewing process will provide the remaining 100 words. Also, for WP:AST and the Barnburner!
Done. And... good question. I think the system is probably easier. Stake blackmsg 17:06, April 25, 2013 (UTC)
I suggest you use the TEA map image as the main article image, since the system itself technically does not appear on the JK:JA galaxy map. If it does, however, JA needs to be added as an appearance.Imperators II(Talk) 23:02, April 25, 2013 (UTC)
IMO it looked better and "more in-universe", but okay, switched. Stake blackmsg 00:38, April 26, 2013 (UTC)
From TEA you can tell more precisely when the system was attacked by Vong.
Don't forget: Reload your infobox. JangFett(Talk) 04:58, April 30, 2013 (UTC)
Jang, could you be a little more specific as to what exactly you want? I've reloaded the infobox and the changes were negligible. Stake blackmsg 17:22, April 30, 2013 (UTC)
Need some context on the Disciples of Ragnos crisis.
K.
Some of the body reads more like a description of the planet than the system. You don't need quite so much detail. IFYLOFD(Enter the Floydome) 04:57, May 16, 2013 (UTC)
It's weird. The TEA entry on Nar Kreeta says it was Vongformed, but the Vong expansion map shows them as passing near the system but the system itself isn't highlighted (an indication the Vong attacked it). This could mean that the Nar Kreeta system was dominated without putting up a fight. What do you think, Imperators? Stake blackmsg 16:11, April 26, 2013 (UTC)
Umm, in the map on page 219 ("Collapse of the Core") of TEA the Nar Kreeta system is highlighted. Imperators II(Talk) 12:43, May 2, 2013 (UTC)
You're right, thanks for spotting. Stake blackmsg 16:24, May 9, 2013 (UTC)
The beginning of the intro and the beginning of the history are very similar, specifically the part about Yavin 4 and the Galactic Civil War. However, I won't hold it as a formal objection; merely a suggestion for some changing up of the wording.—Cal Jedi(Personal Comm Channel) 15:40, May 17, 2013 (UTC)
Object
501st
Purely as a visual objection, could you move the picture to the left side? Having it on the right is making the article mess up on my browser.
What browser are you using? I don't really like the way it looks to the left. OLIOSTER(talk) 20:39, May 14, 2013 (UTC)
I was using chrome, and it looked weird at first, but your edits must of fixed it somehow. 501stdogma(talk) 20:47, May 14, 2013 (UTC)
Why was there a corpse? I think you need to specify that the spacers fought the spirit in Exar's body or something, as the corpse mention kind of comes out of nowhere.501stdogma(talk) 22:40, May 13, 2013 (UTC)
Indicated that he was resurrected. OLIOSTER(talk) 20:39, May 14, 2013 (UTC)
Nominated by: Ayrehead02 (talk) 18:26, April 25, 2013 (UTC)
Nomination comments:Fourth species barn burner nom.
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Support
Good work, but careful with your linking. I linked quite a few things that you missed after you re-went over it. 501stdogma(talk) 23:23, April 29, 2013 (UTC)
I think the lead section could do with a time reference. Do we know roughly when they were enslaved, roughly when they established a republic, or roughly when the Hutts reconquered them? Even a vague, "in the years before the founding of the Galactic Republic" would be helpful, and only one of the three events needs a time stamp. But I think cementing one into an era at least would help ground the paragraph.
Added they are driven extinct during the Hutt-Xim conflict. Is that enough? Ayrehead02 (talk) 16:27, April 30, 2013 (UTC)
I think you can trim from the first two sentences of "History." We're told their region of the galaxy eventually became part of Hutt Space. Then the next sentence says when that happened by. Just consolidate the two (I'd axe the reference to Hutt Space in the first sentence of that section.)
You should add a one-line "Biology and appearance" section that says they were a sentient species, then remove that fact from "History."
Made although I'm not sure why there's a rule requiring this. It seems no non-sensical. Ayrehead02 (talk) 16:27, April 30, 2013 (UTC)
Yeah, but them's the rules? :/ ~Savage 19:36, April 30, 2013 (UTC)
You should add a short "Society and culture" section that explains their government structure. You can keep that bit in "History" as well; in the "S&C" part, you tell what the government was like, but in in "History," you say when those things were established, as you do now.
Added is it detailed enough? Ayrehead02 (talk) 16:27, April 30, 2013 (UTC)
Since you have some of the BTS sourced, can you source all of it? ~Savage 13:41, April 30, 2013 (UTC)
All sourced. Ayrehead02 (talk) 16:27, April 30, 2013 (UTC)
Looking good, but make sure you don't have any duplicate links now that you've added the new sections. ~Savage 19:36, April 30, 2013 (UTC)
Meant to but totally forgot. Should be all good now. Ayrehead02 (talk) 22:14, April 30, 2013 (UTC)
Toprawa
Before supporting, I'd like to inquire whether you can confirm that "Second Battle of Vontor" is a formal, canonical title. If not, it would be conjectural, which would mean we should not capitalize that title as though it were formal.Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 19:57, May 5, 2013 (UTC)
After searching through a fair few books I found it refereed to as the Second Battle of Vontor in The History of Xim and the Tion Cluster so I can confirm it isn't conjecture. Ayrehead02 (talk) 13:00, May 6, 2013 (UTC)
Nomination comments: Writing articles based on things in tutorial levels are... interesting
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Support
Nice work. 501stdogma(talk) 12:32, April 29, 2013 (UTC)
Not too shabby, but please take a look at my copy edit for the (mainly formatting) things I had to fix. And I despised the tutorial in Empire at War. :P —Cal Jedi(Personal Comm Channel) 15:56, May 17, 2013 (UTC)
All articles for the Wookiee tutorial campaign battles are in the Battle of Alaris Prime (pre–Clone Wars) article, but this has been brought up in another GB nom, so I may have to open this up to discussion
If you are using gameplay paths, shouldn't we have gameplay divider somewhere?501stdogma(talk) 22:28, April 27, 2013 (UTC)
Forgot about that, but the problem is that I can't seem a template that would be applicable, most situations like this are normally light/dark side choices, and 100 % completion wouldn't be appropriate since you still have to collect all of the resources regardless of the order. I may have to make one myself. Commander Code-8G'day, mate 04:18, April 28, 2013 (UTC)
You might want to have one that sounds like the RPG path header, as the article is following a specific path. 501stdogma(talk) 11:58, April 28, 2013 (UTC)
Shortly after Malcom left to capture the ship, Immel and her squad placed the last of the beacons at their target sites and shortly after the spaceport was destroyed. Can you find a way to get rid of one of those shortly afters?
Changed.
The second part of the Biography quote needs italicized, especially in the intro.
In the second paragraph of the biography, fighter needs linked. Private is linked twice.
Linked and corrected.
I'll go over it again once you fix these. - PrincessGLG 02:01, April 28, 2013 (UTC)
Shortly after Immel ordered the squad to move out they reached the spaceport three hours later. Are you saying that Shortly after Immel ordered the squad to move out, and they reached the spaceport three hours later. or Three hours after Immel ordered the squad to move out they reached the spaceport.? Either way, you need to change the sentence a little bit.
Changed.
After setting all the beacons on their targets, Immel checked on Malcom's status and they talked about her thoughts of private Kayle and Malcom reminded her it was good to spend time with her squad. To many ands.
Changed.
Can't the last two paragraphs of the biography be combined?
Since I've just changed the prievous paragraph I see no reason to combine them.
Context on SpecForce. - PrincessGLG 00:32, April 29, 2013 (UTC)
"she served with Republic Special Forces Division, an elite Republic Military division, Colonel Jace Malcom in the battle of Kalandis Seven during the renewed war between the Galactic Republic and the resurgent Sith Empire." This sentence isn't really working grammar wise, Try to fix it.
Changed.
Still doesn't sound quite right. Try to change it to how you worded it in the intro. As it its the intro, you might not need to add context on SpecForce, so that might help you smooth it out.
Should be smoothed out I hope and removed that bit in the intro.
Context on Kalandis Seven in intro.
Added context.
Since you are saying its in the Inner Rim in the intro, it needs to be stated that its in the inner Rim in the bio.
Added.
The intro doesn't really specify how the targeting beacons destroyed the starport. Either take mention of it out, or tell us how it was destroyed.
Specified.
I don't think the last sentence of the into matters to the section, so cut it.
Removed.
"SpecForce, an elite Republic Military division, Colonel Jace Malcom serving as their advisor..." I think you should word this like Colonel Jace Malcom of SpecForce, an elite Republic Military division..... It will make it sound better.
Changed.
Again, in the bio, how does the spaceport explode?
Specified.
Isn't Jace SpecForce? Doesn't that mean she doesn't like em either? Add a note in the P&T stating that she didn't mind that Jace was a SpecForce.
She didn't like him though as evident by when she said this "You SpecForce boys are all scum" after he declined her offer to share a drink as he was being recalled.
You need a bit of context on Jace's mission. You have the planetary ship land, and suddenly he's jumping out of it. You also need to mention that he failed to capture it as well.
Added context.
Is the command ship landed during this.... or is it flying?
Specified.
The end of the bio has a bit of play by play in it, with Jace and her talking. Try to tone it down a bit.
Good work. 501stdogma(talk) 14:59, May 4, 2013 (UTC)
I'll finish me review soon. 501stdogma(talk) 22:06, May 8, 2013 (UTC)
"Along the way to the objective, Immel and her squad were attacked, and Corporal Amden vor Keioidian was fatally wounded." This sentence can probably be cut out, as it is not that important to the intro. Remember that the next sentence after this mentions it a bit, so tweak it also.
Removed and tweaked.
ok, but you left behind this: "Immel and her squad were tasked with the destruction of the local spaceport. Immel, Malcom, and her squad reached the spaceport and proceeded...." This doesn't flow very well.
Re-worded.
About Admen's wound, is it fatal, or is it not? If it is fatal, they probably wouldn't have him rescued.
The story says "Dying man" when referring to him so yea, they also activate his med tracer and Malcom even says "We'll be back for you". I can't really say if the rescued him or not since the story doesn't, but it does say they had every intention of rescuing him.
Leave it as it is then.
"After silencing the trooper, she planted one of the target beacons onto a nearby power terminal. After watching..." Please change it so you don't start two sentences in a row with after. Another sentence in the same paragraph also starts with After, so you might want to change that as well.
Changed.
Your change left this: "Immel and Malcom then watched a planetary command ship land, Malcom amended Immel's". This is not quite grammatically correct.
Re-worded.
You might want to mention the armor that she wears in the P&T.501stdogma(talk) 23:46, May 8, 2013 (UTC)
The armor is only shown in the picture, never stated that she has it, nor what type/brand it is in the story. I can say she wore the general Republic Trooper armor if that's what you wish but not much beyond that. DarthRevan1173 (Long live Lord Revan) 00:13, May 9, 2013 (UTC)
Just describe the armor, and say something like "She wore red and white armor that was similar to standard Republic trooper armor..." You could probably mention the gun she carried as well. 501stdogma(talk) 12:36, May 11, 2013 (UTC)
Reminder: Human should always be capitalized. I've had to tell Cade this a billion times, it's best you get this down now.
Capitalized
Intro: "Immel and her squad were tasked with the destruction of the local spaceport." Why? Was it under Sith control?
Specified.
In the intro, you need to be a bit more specific than "fighter". Yeah, you link to it, but just by reading it you can't tell if it's a starfighter or just a run-of-the-mill soldier.
Specified.
Same with the "fighter" mentioned in the bio.
Also specified.
You include a physical description of Kalandis Seven in the intro but not the body.
Added.
"Malcom shot the closet patrol" The closet patrol?
Changed.
"Immel discovered one of the troopers was still alive" Troopers? Was he from the patrol? Context please.
Added.
"She had a disparaging of private Vaskus Kayle," A disparaging what?IFYLOFD(Enter the Floydome) 03:54, May 17, 2013 (UTC)
Could you mention Oph Nar Dinnid's species?Ayrehead02 (talk) 21:10, May 6, 2013 (UTC)
You've linked attack on Circumtore as the point at which Circumtore is captured by the Vong but the maps in the atlas don't necessarily show that. One shows there is an attack on the system and the other shows that it was under Vong control at a later date. It doesn't actually state that it was captured during the attack so could you change the wording not to imply this? Otherwise great work! Ayrehead02 (talk) 21:10, May 6, 2013 (UTC)
Both done. Thanks for looking it over. 501stdogma(talk) 21:34, May 6, 2013 (UTC)
Floyd
"Circumtore was a ringed shaped artificial planetoid" What does this mean? It was shaped like a ring? It was ringed, but then what was it shaped as? I'm not really getting this here.
The book and the entry call it a ring-shaped artificial planetoid. I've removed the ringed part, as that was a mistake.
"in the region of the galaxy which became known as Hutt Space.[2] Members of the species were considered wily in nature,[2]..." You're double reffing here.
Removed the first one. Ayrehead02 (talk) 11:50, May 4, 2013 (UTC)
In the infobox you ref their homeworld as Tsyk to 2, while the body has it reffed to 1. Please fix this.501stdogma(talk) 22:54, May 3, 2013 (UTC)
I think you're mixing history into the "Biology and appearance" section a bit. Unless their homeworld was polluted before they evolved there, that fact probably belongs in "History" instead. And you mention that their world became part of Hutt Space in "History," so I think you can safely remove that fact from "Biology and appearance."
Removed the info. Ayrehead02 (talk) 11:40, May 5, 2013 (UTC)
The final two sentences of "Biology and appearance" are run-ons. Can you break them up a bit?
The final sentence of "History" is confusing -- it sounds like the Vong conquered the planet, so how did it become part of Hutt Space again? Is it possible to give more details, even if it just means that the Vong were eventually defeated (and then source it to some other source)?
I added a short sentence is more needed? Ayrehead02 (talk) 11:40, May 5, 2013 (UTC)
You should note that Han Solo was a Human, since you note that Chewbacca was a Wookiee. :)
It might be worthwhile to give a smidgen more detail about the two sources that mention the species in BTS. Is it safe to assume that the novel talked about their appearance, while the Atlas talked about their role in Hutt Space and their conquest by the Vong? If so, maybe mention those things briefly. Otherwise, looks good! ~Savage 18:05, May 4, 2013 (UTC)
Gave context to both. Ayrehead02 (talk) 11:40, May 5, 2013 (UTC)
OK, just a bit more. Their wily nature (I changed it to "crafty" to avoid repetition of the lead section) sounds more like "Society and culture" than it does "Biology and appearance." You need a S&C section anyway, so this will address that issue as well.
Added it although I'm trying to think of something else to put in the section with it since one line seems odd. Ayrehead02 (talk) 14:07, May 11, 2013 (UTC)
Is the plural "Tsyklen" or "Tsyklens"? If the sources don't specify, just go with one and explain that no source has given the plural form in the BTS.
In the Atlas its Tsyklen so corrected. Ayrehead02 (talk) 14:07, May 11, 2013 (UTC)
"ID forger" -- pretty sure we have an article on identifications. Can you link to it here? ~Savage 13:16, May 11, 2013 (UTC)
Added the link to Identichip. Ayrehead02 (talk) 14:07, May 11, 2013 (UTC)
Comments
No quotes? --Eyrezer (talk) 07:56, May 11, 2013 (UTC)
Nope there's no dialogue at all in the part she appears in since it's a description of events that happened previously. I scanned ahead incase Han makes a decent mention of the IDs but didn't see anything really relevant. Ayrehead02 (talk) 10:50, May 11, 2013 (UTC)
I'll continue my review sometime later. :P JangFett(Talk) 16:04, May 3, 2013 (UTC)
501st
In the intro, you should mention that it is on Hapes. The description section needs this mentioned as well.
Added.
I still think you should say it was on Hapes outright, rather than just the Hapan ocean.
Fixed.
Could you give context on Hapes? Just say its a planet.
Added.
History: Who are Lowbacca, Jacen, and Jaina? Where is the Fountain Palace? Be sure to contextify. (I know you give context to the Jedi later, but do it up front)
Better?
You want the history to be in chronological order, so the part about here staying there as kid should be moved to the top of the section.
You could probably describe the appearance of the fort from the image in the infobox.
What exactly can I describe? The only things about the appearance that I could put into the infobox are the height and width which I can't get from the image.
You could describe the high walls and the turret things.
Done.
Good work. 501stdogma(talk) 17:40, May 3, 2013 (UTC)
Be careful when you answer objections. I found quite a few repeated words, and some grammatical errors that were not there before. Make sure to look over the article in preview mode. 501stdogma(talk) 20:27, May 3, 2013 (UTC)
Sorry, I was kinda in a hurry, but I should have gone over it again. I'll try to be more careful next time. - PrincessGLG 20:57, May 3, 2013 (UTC)
That's okay. 501stdogma(talk) 21:34, May 3, 2013 (UTC)
I'll continue my review tomorrow. 501stdogma(talk) 23:57, May 3, 2013 (UTC)
You might want to mention the lack of secret passages.
Added.
Article for the Ambassador?
The ambassador is Yfra. I tried to change the wording to make this more obvious.
Sorry, I mean the Mairan one. 501stdogma(talk) 20:28, May 4, 2013 (UTC)
I would mention in addition to the fact that there were no passages, that it was built to be impregnable.
Added.
You might want to mention that Chume went to the fort earlier in the history.
She only arrived after the first incident with the carnivorous seaweed which is when it says she arrived.
Ah, missed that.
"Isolder won the duel after the referee called a sudden death round." You should mention that he won in the sudden death round. Right now it sounds kind of like Isolder won because a sudden death round was called.
Done.
A release date for Jedi Eclipse would be nice. That should be all.501stdogma(talk) 16:01, May 5, 2013 (UTC)
In the paragraph about the attack by the Bartokk assassins, can you make sure you have all the information about the chase? I recall Ta'a Chume shooting out their repulsor prior to the Bartokk's being killed by the seaweed.Supreme Emperor (talk) 13:01, May 5, 2013 (UTC)
Its an article about the fort, so all the info about the chase doesn't need to be presented as it doesn't quite pertain to the fort itself. 501stdogma(talk) 14:19, May 5, 2013 (UTC)
Floyd
Would like a touch more context on Ambassador Yfra. Who did she serve?
Added.
Try and shore up your linking, I'm seeing some glaring omissions.
I must be blind, but I'm not really seeing any. Could you give a couple examples of what I'm missing?
Stuff like turrets, assassin (which you linked, but wasn't before). It's always best to double-check. IFYLOFD(Enter the Floydome) 23:54, May 17, 2013 (UTC)
I've gone over it again and fixed a few things. - PrincessGLG 00:11, May 18, 2013 (UTC)
It should be mentioned in the body that Tenel Ka was also a Jedi trainee.IFYLOFD(Enter the Floydome) 04:38, May 17, 2013 (UTC)
Intro: Carnivorous seaweed was a green, aquatic, carnivorous species of plant… Could you place an "and" somewhere, and is the color of the weed necessary? And who is the matriarch of Hapes?
I removed the color so I don't need to add an "and". Also added the matriarch. Thanks for the review.- PrincessGLG 23:03, May 8, 2013 (UTC)
Nice work otherwise, and while I have never smoked marijuana, I love the history quote. XD.—Jedi Kasra ("Indeed.") 16:37, May 8, 2013 (UTC)
Once you deal with these sections I'll give a full look. IFYLOFD(Enter the Floydome) 04:47, May 17, 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for reading! Ayrehead02 (talk) 12:06, May 17, 2013 (UTC)
What does "Daritha" mean? Context please. Other than that, nice work. IFYLOFD(Enter the Floydome) 23:59, May 17, 2013 (UTC)
Added context although I'm not sure if the sentence is now grammatically correct do I need to change the commas? Ayrehead02 (talk) 12:19, May 18, 2013 (UTC)
Nomination comments: There was a king who ruled the land, his majesty was in command. With silver eyes, the scarlet eagle showered silver on the people.
Could you specify? Is it underlinking issues? If so, I found two articles that hadn't been linked yet.
It was underlinking, and you seem to have taken care of it. IFYLOFD(Enter the Floydome) 00:03, May 18, 2013 (UTC)
I really don't like the way you introduce the faction in the intro, it's pretty clumsy. Something like "Around 0 ABY, the Hutt Shettora ran a criminal faction..." would be a lot better.IFYLOFD(Enter the Floydome) 05:01, May 17, 2013 (UTC)
Done. Thanks for looking it over. 501stdogma(talk) 20:42, May 17, 2013 (UTC)
Knowledge is power, and power corrupts. So, let's all study hard and be evil. BTW, nice article. :P —Cal Jedi(Personal Comm Channel) 15:47, May 17, 2013 (UTC)
Is "CMoI" a canonical acronym?—Jedi Kasra ("Indeed.") 20:07, May 13, 2013 (UTC)
Yep, its from both Databank entries, Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, Praji and the CSWE. Coruscantfan(Talk) 04:55, May 14, 2013 (UTC)
With the Separatist Crisis heating up…' A little nitpicky, but could you use a more formal term? Other than that, fine work!—Jedi Kasra ("Indeed.") 18:17, May 14, 2013 (UTC)
"For their actions, CMoI received criticism from various areas including" Including what? Also, this paragraph is not fully sourced. IFYLOFD(Enter the Floydome) 00:59, May 18, 2013 (UTC)
Nominated by: Jinzler (talk) 19:36, May 18, 2013 (UTC)
Nomination comments: A Hutt
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Support
The Far Orbit Project's got its fair share of errors too.... 501stdogma(talk) 21:00, May 19, 2013 (UTC)
Object
For da Barnburner?
Is the punctuation in the bio quote correct?
Yes, the quote is presented in the article exactly as it is shown in the source. This is one of many examples of bad spelling, punctuation and grammar within the Living Force modules; I get the impression that the campaign's writers never learned how to use spell-check. --Jinzler (talk) 19:01, May 19, 2013 (UTC)
You need to mention somewhere in the body or the P&T that he is a hermaphrodite.
Nomination comments: Just wanted to get around to re-nominating this article. I was bit tied down by things during the last nomination, which is why I neglected it. I want to clarify that this character wasn't mentioned in any of the SWG guides, so that's why I don't list those as sources.
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Support
A shame it had to be archived as failed in the first place, unless Tope had other objections beyond that prelim. Hanzo Hasashi (talk) 22:40, May 18, 2013 (UTC)