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Cad Bane[]
- Nominated by: CC7567 (talk) 03:15, June 14, 2010 (UTC)
- Nomination comments: And here he is. A year-old GA that is the best example of TCW's badassness. (Note to all: please read the comments section before voting.)
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Support[]
- Excellent work. A considerable undertaking. Thefourdotelipsis 07:53, June 18, 2010 (UTC)
- Great job. Grand Moff Tranner (Comlink) 20:41, June 27, 2010 (UTC)
- Fantastic. Chack Jadson (Talk) 16:32, July 19, 2010 (UTC)
- Most impressive. --Eyrezer 23:59, July 22, 2010 (UTC)
- Great work! I hope the speculation for Season 3 doesn't ruin this article. --ID-21 Dolphin 06:56, July 25, 2010 (UTC)
- People like CC putting hard, honest work into articles like this is what makes Wookieepedia the best wiki out there. Toprawa and Ralltiir 23:58, July 25, 2010 (UTC)
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Should all of those links to articles on sw.com really be listed as "sources"? Things like "The Clone Wars Books Continue in 2010" and "Anna Graves: Voicing Bounty Hunter Sugi" seem more like external links. Menkooroo 03:41, June 14, 2010 (UTC)
- From WP:CANON: "All Databank entries and other articles on StarWars.com" are treated as canon. I do see your point, but they are still source articles—they would definitely be sources if they were published in Insider, and the only difference there would be the lack of being published online. CC7567 (talk) 03:53, June 14, 2010 (UTC)
- I do wonder if that policy was meant to include articles that state nothing more than "Look out for Cad Bane! He'll be in Season 2!", though. And when "The Clone Wars Books Continue in 2010" only features his picture, how is it different than an ad for TCW in Insider that has a picture of him? I get the feeling that the statement you quoted is only referring to articles on sw.com that actually give canonical info, such as databank entries and the odd other article. I see what you're going for, but it seems like major overkill, and probably a misinterpration of a rule that no other FA has ever adhered to. I'll start a thread in the senate hall to get some clarification and then meet you back here. Menkooroo 05:28, June 14, 2010 (UTC)
- Discussed on IRC! Regardless of how I interpret the rule, it doesn't detract from the article's quality, ya know? Menkooroo 00:38, June 15, 2010 (UTC)
- I do wonder if that policy was meant to include articles that state nothing more than "Look out for Cad Bane! He'll be in Season 2!", though. And when "The Clone Wars Books Continue in 2010" only features his picture, how is it different than an ad for TCW in Insider that has a picture of him? I get the feeling that the statement you quoted is only referring to articles on sw.com that actually give canonical info, such as databank entries and the odd other article. I see what you're going for, but it seems like major overkill, and probably a misinterpration of a rule that no other FA has ever adhered to. I'll start a thread in the senate hall to get some clarification and then meet you back here. Menkooroo 05:28, June 14, 2010 (UTC)
You see this onion bhaji?[]
"The Duros male Cad Bane hailed from the planet Duro during the last decades of the Galactic Republic." - He hailed from there during the last decades of the Republic? Sounds a bit odd.- Rephrased; should be better now.
"Bane utilized a number of locations as bases, from a base of operations in the Outer Rim's Rogue Antar system named Black Stall Station—which he personally outfitted with several booby traps and a laser defense grid to counter his adversaries, countermeasures that no one was reportedly able to survive—to a secret hideout on the planet Tatooine." - A touch wordy and unwieldly.- Reworded.
- This is going to take a while. I apologize. More installments to come. :P Thefourdotelipsis 14:33, June 16, 2010 (UTC)
"Around the war's first year, Bane was residing in a shabby hotel room on the galactic capital of Coruscant. While cleaning his LL-30 blaster pistols there, he was contacted through his compact holoprojector by the Sith Lord Darth Sidious, who hired him to pursue a Jedi-led clone trooper squad that was heading to conduct an investigation on the planet Kynachi regarding the origins of the recently destroyed Separatist warship Malevolence." - We don't really need to know about the pistols.- Removed.
"After bypassing the Trade Federation's blockade of the planet and arriving on the Federation-controlled world, Bane recruited a food vendor to identify any strangers in a town on the planet and provided the vendor with a special comlink that overrode the Federation's frequency jammer, which disrupted communications on the planet." - Bit too massive a sentence.- Split up.
"His disclosures earned him freedom from the blaster on his forehead, though Gunn nevertheless kept the weapon aimed at him." - A bit PBP.- Last part removed.
So, is The Sleight of Hand really called that? Or is it the Sleight of Hand?- It's "The Sleight of Hand;" I believe the article is consistent about it.
- Ah, yes, it is, I was just curious. Thefourdotelipsis 07:11, June 18, 2010 (UTC)
- It's "The Sleight of Hand;" I believe the article is consistent about it.
"As Separatist battle droids broke into the hangar, Rex and Boomer agreed to defend Bane's crate and take the cargo to his ship elsewhere on the planet, and the bounty hunter released the links on the pair's handcuffs, allowing them to operate freely." - The repetition of "and" here is a bit... ehh...- Smoothed out.
"which he had stored for "just this type of occasion"" - Probably an unnecessary bit of detail. Maybe something for a later, peripheral section.- Removed, since I can't decide how to incorporate it otherwise.
- More to come. Thefourdotelipsis 14:39, June 17, 2010 (UTC)
"Skywalker rebounded the laser shots, causing the bounty hunter to lose his balance atop a platform and tumble to the ground, and held Bane at lightsaber point." - Sort of odd phrasing here, seems like the bounty hunter is holding Bane at lightsaber point. I know that's not what you mean, obviously, but some sort of tweakage might be in order.- Clarified.
"Bane emerged from the shadows and confronted Davtokk, explaining that the entire operation had been arranged as a final test for his new team—and stated that they had passed by ensuring that Davtokk had failed. Bane then pointed one of his blaster pistols at Davtokk's head and discharged the weapon, killing the incapacitated mercenary." - A bit too PBP. Some of that info is redundant.- Should be better now.
"As Senate Commando Captain Jayfon ordered him to get on his knees and raise his hands, Bane smugly remarked on the Captain's hastiness." - Skirting PBP.- Fixed.
- Eh, do we really need the comment about the Captain's hastiness? Thefourdotelipsis 07:11, June 18, 2010 (UTC)
- I personally feel that it helps to emphasize his bold character; I don't think chopping it off completely is appropriate in this case. CC7567 (talk) 07:24, June 18, 2010 (UTC)
- Well, in that case, it's probably better suited to be cited as a P/T example, because it's obstructive in the biography. Thefourdotelipsis 07:39, June 18, 2010 (UTC)
- I personally feel that it helps to emphasize his bold character; I don't think chopping it off completely is appropriate in this case. CC7567 (talk) 07:24, June 18, 2010 (UTC)
- Eh, do we really need the comment about the Captain's hastiness? Thefourdotelipsis 07:11, June 18, 2010 (UTC)
- Fixed.
"As Bane and his accomplices surrounded the senators, Senator Philo objected to being taken hostage, walking right past Bane while refusing to listen to this "insolence."" - PBP."Bane came across Senator Padmé Amidala, and though she stated that the Senate would not treat with "terrorists," Bane questioned if she was "too young and pretty" to be a senator." - More quasi-PBP. Generally, if you're using a lot of quotation marks in a given area, it means the LOD is far too much."After making contact with Palpatine one last time and telling him that "the crisis had passed," Bane wished the senators a "most respectful farewell" and left the Executive Building with his accomplices." - Again, you know... it's just a bit too much. Here it's not an LOD issue, it's just that it's not very encyclopediac.- Fixed.
There's an overabundance of quotation in the later paragraphs of Raid on the Senate, there's no need to list them all, just clean them up a bit.- Limited overall.
- Onwards to "Work for Darth Sidious"... Thefourdotelipsis 15:26, June 17, 2010 (UTC)
More quotation. Just tweak tweak tweak.- Fixed.
"When the doorbell rang, Bane told Todo to get the door and opened up" - PBP.- Fixed.
"Sparing Todo a brief glare, Bane resumed his descent with his droid in tow." - PBP.- Fixed.
"When Todo was unable to make a hole quickly enough, Bane commented on his incompetence, earning an angry response from his droid." - PBP.- Fixed.
- Still PBP.
- Again, I feel the details are necessary to illustrate Bane's character; removing anything would require the whole sentence to be removed, which doesn't help to do so as much. CC7567 (talk) 07:24, June 18, 2010 (UTC)
- Well, then, it's probably another good P/T example, but it's not really a biographical detail of note. Thefourdotelipsis 07:39, June 18, 2010 (UTC)
- Again, I feel the details are necessary to illustrate Bane's character; removing anything would require the whole sentence to be removed, which doesn't help to do so as much. CC7567 (talk) 07:24, June 18, 2010 (UTC)
- Still PBP.
- Fixed.
"Bane walked toward the entrance to the Holocron Vault and heaved the safe's door open all the way." - PBP.- Fixed.
"smiling at his success." - More PBP. I would have removed this one myself, but it would have left the sentence a bit skimpy, so it might need to be restructured a bit.- Fixed.
More quotation. Bad habit. Naughty CC. :P- Should be better now.
"After his battle droids confirmed Ropal's passing, Bane had the Jedi Master's body dropped from his containment field to the ground." - Unneeded detail.- Removed.
""a bit more interesting"" - Bah!- Removed.
Bane's fight with Tano is a bit to PBPish. Condense.- Cleaned up.
- On we go! Thefourdotelipsis 00:21, June 18, 2010 (UTC)
"Leaving one of his blasters behind with Mahtee Dunn" - Eh, why?- Don't know why, but since he might have just dropped it or something (though I find that rather unlikely for him), I've removed it.
"Passing Kenobi a brief smile," - PBP.- Meh. Nixed.
"and Bane smiled" - PBP. He's a happy camper, though.- Removed.
"His usual rate was of a considerable price, but so was his reputation," - His reputation was of a considerable price?- Blarg. Clarified.
- Otherwise, excellent. A daunting task, to be sure. These PBP things are just a natural extension of wanting to be as thorough as possible - the article just needs some pruning, which is only natural. Well done, otherwise. Thefourdotelipsis 00:53, June 18, 2010 (UTC)
Comments[]
Approved as a Featured article by Inquisitorius 23:58, July 25, 2010 (UTC)
- In response to any concerns that may arise from his lack of adherence to FAN Rule 5 of appearance stability, I feel that it's necessary to say that yes, he will be appearing in TCW's Season Three quite soon. However, my reasoning is that with TCW around, he is never going to have any sort of stability, so I'm taking advantage of the current lull in publication releases to promote him. To anyone that feels concerned with my ability to update the article: I believe that I've prove that I can do a fairly sufficient job so far. CC7567 (talk) 03:15, June 14, 2010 (UTC)
- Because of the long-ago voting trend of his GAN process, I have reason to suspect that this FAN is going to get a lot of votes based not out of support of the article's quality, but out of a simple desire to see Bane himself featured. If I may quote the description of an FA: "This is not a way to showcase the articles of your favorite characters, spaceships, or the like." That means that anyone who votes for this article agrees with every single word, formatting, and grammar aspect in this 92 KB article; anything less does not help to support Wookieepedia. Whatever votes this FAN gets should be made in full support of the article's quality, not in support of the character, simply because that's not what Wookieepedia is for. CC7567 (talk) 03:15, June 14, 2010 (UTC)