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Lumiya
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- Nominated by: —Tommy 9281 Tuesday, July 12, 2011, 22:20 UTC
- Nomination comments: Two years in the making. While my work and my life are not done, I would really welcome a rest nonetheless.
(3 Inqs/3 Users/6 Total)
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- Pre-nom reviewed. Master Jonathan — Jedi Council Chambers Tuesday, July 12, 2011, 23:06 UTC
--R9-88754 15:20, August 10, 2011 (UTC)(Vote struck per policy: Less than 50 mainspace edits -- Grand Moff Tranner
(Comlink) 16:11, August 10, 2011 (UTC))
Keep spinning that gold, Tommy. Jonjedigrandmaster (Talk) 14:43, February 28, 2012 (UTC)
Fantastic work. IFYLOFD (Floyd's crib) 03:18, May 7, 2012 (UTC)
- Plagueis327 01:43, May 21, 2012 (UTC)
-- Darth Culator (Talk) 02:08, May 21, 2012 (UTC)
- —Jedi Kasra (comlink) 13:56, May 30, 2012 (UTC)
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Prepare to be savaged…
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The BTS reads as if it was known all along that Brie and Lumiya were the same person, but I don't believe that was the case. Were they not separate characters that were later retconned into one? If so, the BTS should note which source specifically established their unified identity. If this was the plan all along, however, I guess I misunderstood my EU. :) ~Savage
18:07, August 10, 2011 (UTC)- The comics make clear that Brie was intended to be Lumiya all along. The only retcon I am aware of was identified in The Essential Chronology with regard to her Emperor's Hand status.—Tommy 9281 Wednesday, August 10, 2011, 23:36 UTC
- OK, I'm reading through Marvel now, and guess I got some bad intel. I'll try to give the article a full review soon. ~Savage
14:12, August 11, 2011 (UTC)
- OK, I'm reading through Marvel now, and guess I got some bad intel. I'll try to give the article a full review soon. ~Savage
- The comics make clear that Brie was intended to be Lumiya all along. The only retcon I am aware of was identified in The Essential Chronology with regard to her Emperor's Hand status.—Tommy 9281 Wednesday, August 10, 2011, 23:36 UTC
OK, on to the lead: "His Imperial Majesty" seems quite strange in an encyclopedia article, and even seems a bit POV to me. Why not change it to just "Galactic Emperor"? He certainly wasn't "Imperial Majesty" to the Rebels.A bit of context on the New Order is probably warranted.- Addressed.
"the latter of which" --> since the sentence is getting kind of long, I'd suggest either breaking it down a bit (either into two sentences or with a semicolon) or indicating "the latter goal of which" or somesuch to indicate what "latter" is referring to.- Addressed.
Since expatriation refers to nations and states, I'm not sure we can use it for Luke's leaving the Alliance. Perhaps exile?- Addressed.
It seems a bit strange to call her lightwhip infamous at first mention; it takes time to gain infamy, so it's almost anachronistic unless you add some clunky qualifier, like "which would become infamous." Probably best to just ditch it on first mention.- Addressed.
Lumiya's "defaulting" to Mistress of the Sith needs a bit of explanation. Why would their deaths change her ranking/title? ~Savage
00:55, August 29, 2011 (UTC)- Addressed.
Is her "similar Imperial program" worth an article? ~Savage
02:32, September 8, 2011 (UTC)
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- Lmao, funny how the eye's get crossed. Addressed.
- I agree that it becomes more detailed with the transition, which is mostly cause by the absence of illustrations. That's because there is much (and I mean waaaaaaaay too much) conversation, much more than actual action. To remove much of what you describe will cause significant gaps in context. I know it does seem slightly PBP, but again, I truly feel those details are necessary to provide sufficient context.—Tommy 9281 Friday, November 18, 2011, 17:15 UTC
I'll give you some examples of stuff I think could be trimmed or summarized shortly. For now, though, I want to finish the full review. ~Savage
17:14, December 18, 2011 (UTC)- OK, sorry for taking months on this -- But I honestly just don't have time to read through this article again (40+ pages printed) and give examples of the excessive detail that I think goes beyond what's necessary. It's a well-written piece, mind you; my hat's off to you, Tommy! Unfortunately, I'm just not in a position to give examples of where I think the fat needs to be trimmed. I'll go ahead and strike this objection, so I won't hold up the nomination. But I won't be able to support due to the over-detail. Sorry. :/ ~Savage
01:17, February 29, 2012 (UTC)
- OK, sorry for taking months on this -- But I honestly just don't have time to read through this article again (40+ pages printed) and give examples of the excessive detail that I think goes beyond what's necessary. It's a well-written piece, mind you; my hat's off to you, Tommy! Unfortunately, I'm just not in a position to give examples of where I think the fat needs to be trimmed. I'll go ahead and strike this objection, so I won't hold up the nomination. But I won't be able to support due to the over-detail. Sorry. :/ ~Savage
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- i don't have it, I'm working on getting the material, unless of course you could provide via email. Thanks for the review, Bob, please advise if anything further is required.
- I read the entire article and it only mentions Lumiya once, with no information that isn't already provided for in my article.—Tommy 9281 Tuesday, February 28, 2012, 23:18 UTC
Here's what I'd consider pertinent: The storyline featuring Luke after he thinks he's killed her was a personal favorite of Michelinie and Simonson. In fact, Simonson wanted to extend the arc by a couple of issues. (p. 10). But, yeah, the stuff about post-op Lumiya is pretty sparse. ~Savage
12:58, February 29, 2012 (UTC)- Addressed, but now I have 2 redlinks for which I have no ability to create articles for. This presents a problem...—Tommy 9281 Friday, March 23, 2012, 01:29 UTC
- I can fill them in, but I wonder if they should have articles at all. The article is useful and worthy of an article in my opinion, but it is from a non-licensed source, so perhaps the magazine it's in and the author aren't notable for our purposes. ~Savage
03:12, March 23, 2012 (UTC)
- I can fill them in, but I wonder if they should have articles at all. The article is useful and worthy of an article in my opinion, but it is from a non-licensed source, so perhaps the magazine it's in and the author aren't notable for our purposes. ~Savage
- Addressed, but now I have 2 redlinks for which I have no ability to create articles for. This presents a problem...—Tommy 9281 Friday, March 23, 2012, 01:29 UTC
The Dolphin Attacks
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Disclaimer: Keep in mind that this is only a preliminary review, and please contact me on my talk page if I forget to address any comments as I occasionally do.--ID-21 Dolphin
(Talk) 19:03, August 21, 2011 (UTC)
- First of all, the intro should be cut to roughly 3/4 of its current size. I notice that you've been cutting it down over the last couple months, just a little more would be fine.
- The lead quote is very vague and uninteresting; essentially it only states her name and her alias, which are already stated in the prose of the first paragraph. The quote at the top of revision is better suited because it offers more of an insight into her history and personality. Otherwise, if you can find another really good quote, I'm always open.
- Speaking of quotes, the quote in the "legacy" section is waaaaay too long to serve its purpose. I would suggest keeping just the first four lines or otherwise the third and fourth line by themselves.
- And the quote in "Seducing a Jedi" is also too long, which can be a little annoying for monologue. I would cut it down from "'Take what I have to teach you, Jacen'" to the end which makes it a much more concise and powerful quote.
- In the first part of the biography, the Carida and Chinshassa images should be replaced with images of Lumiya herself as is preferable. There's a nice NEGTC images that was delted from the site some time ago for being unused, but it would probably fit best there. Other images like that of Flint and that of Rebel pilot Skywalker could be changed to some ofLumiya, since comics are usually high on images.
- Also, for images, this one seems like too much of a stretch from Lumiya and the events in the book to belong in this section. This image of Lumiya would fit much better IMO seeing as it's always better to include images of the subject if possible.
- I would add an imagecat to the Appearances section.
- Some of the more verbose parts of the intro could be cut down; for example, "His Imperial Majesty Palpatine" is a little too grandiose and could be changed to simply "Emperor Palpatine".
- Also, Lumiya should be mentioned as her main name in the first sentence of the intro, since having it at the end of the paragraph seems too far.
- Otherwise great work. That's all for now.--ID-21 Dolphin
(Talk) 19:03, August 21, 2011 (UTC)
- And by the way, that nomination comment is hilarious. :) --ID-21 Dolphin
(Talk) 19:04, August 21, 2011 (UTC)
- The intro is well in proportion with the article proper. It was once said that there is a subtlety to quote selection that few writers possess; such is the case with the lead quote. Other things like image and quote choice, etc. are matters of preference; I happened to write the current version of the article, complete with images that reflect the particular sections in which they are found. Basically, each of these preliminary objections qualifies as a matter of stylistic opinion rather than issues that warrant objection.—Tommy 9281 Sunday, August 21, 2011, 19:15 UTC
- These objections have been addressed for more than three weeks now. I request that they be stricken by the Inquisitorius.—Tommy 9281 Friday, September 16, 2011, 04:52 UTC
- Objection(s) overridden by Inquisitorius 03:36, October 9, 2011 (UTC)
Jujiggum
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In Joining the Rebellion: "Enraged by the revelation, the fabrication went, Brie sought out the Alliance and decided to enlist." A word missing here? (Or am I just reading this incorrectly…?)- Addressed.
- Absolutely fantastic stuff so far, Tommy. I'll continue with Lieutenant Brie. Jonjedigrandmaster (Talk) 15:31, December 1, 2011 (UTC)
"on a mission to D'rinba IV to disable the superlaser of the second Death Star." Link for the mission? Were they successful or not?"Shalyvane's Em'liy natives ambushed the Rebels and forced them to take cover." Link for this skirmish, too?- Continuing with Rebirth later. Jonjedigrandmaster (Talk) 19:46, December 1, 2011 (UTC)
- I'll pick up with Nagai–Tof conflict. Apologies for having to do this review in such small increments; feel free to work through these objections as I go. Jonjedigrandmaster (Talk) 03:29, December 10, 2011 (UTC)
Link for the first ambush on and later mission to/skirmish on Kinooine? What about the subsequent rescue mission?- Redlink for the first, second one is the Skirmish on Kinooine.—Tommy 9281 Wednesday, December 28, 2011, 00:51 UTC
Link for the mission to destroy the Prophets of the Dark Side? I'll continue with Striking from the Shadows later.Jonjedigrandmaster (Talk) 21:11, December 17, 2011 (UTC)- Redlinked.
"She made her way back to the Yuuzhan Vong, mid-year, whereupon she inveigled her way into the confidence of Tsavong Lah himself." I'm not catching the mid-year reference here, and I'm not certain on what you mean with the wording, either. I'll continue with Puppetmaster.Jonjedigrandmaster (Talk) 16:47, December 22, 2011 (UTC)- When you say not catching mid-year, what do you mean? The source describes the events as having occurred mid year. And the wording has also been adjusted. Thanks thus far for the review Jon, I look forward to the rest. I'll be taking care of the redlinks asap.—Tommy 9281 Wednesday, December 28, 2011, 00:51 UTC
- No problem. For the mid-year, I'm not sure exactly to which year you're referring (the last one you named was 25 ABY, but I'm pretty sure this was later). Jonjedigrandmaster (Talk) 03:31, December 28, 2011 (UTC)
- When you say not catching mid-year, what do you mean? The source describes the events as having occurred mid year. And the wording has also been adjusted. Thanks thus far for the review Jon, I look forward to the rest. I'll be taking care of the redlinks asap.—Tommy 9281 Wednesday, December 28, 2011, 00:51 UTC
"…but dismissed any further conversation as they ascended Dour floors in a turbolift…" Typo? Continuing with Sith Master later.Jonjedigrandmaster (Talk) 18:00, January 6, 2012 (UTC)- Lol addressed.
"Under the assumption that Lumiya had intentions of vengeance on Ben Skywalker, the Skywalkers immediately intercepted the Colonel…" Please mention at some point before this that Jacen became a Colonel; otherwise, the reader might get confused.- Addressed.
"The meeting was a twofold trap, however, as Lumiya agreed to also venture to Roqoo Depot under to secretly oversee Ben Skywalker's safe passage to the Anakin." Typo? I'll continue with Interference asap.Jonjedigrandmaster (Talk) 16:16, January 20, 2012 (UTC)- Addressed.
What was the "Syo package?""…but was surprised to find Alema Rar also present and intent on killing Mara Jade Skywalker, also on station with her husband, and the fast approaching Han Solo." Do you mean that Rar was intent on killing Mara and Han? Either way, please make this a bit clearer.Continuing with Victory later. Jonjedigrandmaster (Talk) 16:03, January 24, 2012 (UTC)"When she lost her footing and fell, dropping her lightwhip into the chasm in the process, Skywalker saved her, only to decapitate her as she recovered." Could you make it a bit more clear that his saving her was only for the purpose to ensure her death? As is, it's a bit confusing as to why he'd save her and then decapitate her.- Addressed.
In Legacy: link for the battle in which Seer died?At some points you refer to Ship as an "it," and on at least one other occasion as a "he." I don't personally have a preference regarding which one you use, since canonical arguments could be made for both; I think it would just be best to be consistent within the article.I'm not sure that the last two sentences of the Appearance subsection really fit there.- The part about the protein drinks was not so relevant and thus removed, but because of the significance of her two identities, the other information most appropriately belongs where it is, given the chronological presentation of the information.—Tommy 9281 Tuesday, February 28, 2012, 03:13 UTC
- Fair enough. Jonjedigrandmaster (Talk) 14:43, February 28, 2012 (UTC)
- The part about the protein drinks was not so relevant and thus removed, but because of the significance of her two identities, the other information most appropriately belongs where it is, given the chronological presentation of the information.—Tommy 9281 Tuesday, February 28, 2012, 03:13 UTC
Is the attribution for the quote of the "Lumiya" subsection of Personality in the right order? Didn't Rar speak the first line? I'll continue with Interactions.Jonjedigrandmaster (Talk) 19:58, January 27, 2012 (UTC)- Addressed.
- Picking up with the BTS asap. Jonjedigrandmaster (Talk) 16:02, January 31, 2012 (UTC)
- Review complete (finally). Apologies again for taking so long; absolutely fantastic work. Jonjedigrandmaster (Talk) 16:55, February 11, 2012 (UTC)
Floyd
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Intro: "Brie's dedication to the tenets of the Imperial New Order doctrine garnered the interest of his chief enforcer," The way this is worded is somewhat vague. Reword it to make it more clear that "he" refers to Palpatine.- Addressed.
For much of the intro there's no real sense of the time period and/or years that the events take place.- I disagree. Do you want years to be specifically stated?—Tommy 9281 Friday, March 23, 2012, 01:09 UTC
- Couldn't hurt. IFYLOFD (Floyd's crib) 01:21, March 24, 2012 (UTC)
- I disagree. Do you want years to be specifically stated?—Tommy 9281 Friday, March 23, 2012, 01:09 UTC
Intro: "as the foremost of their pupils despite her deficient training" This makes it sound like she was poorly trained, rather than her training being disrupted by the deaths of Palpatine and Vader. If it's the latter, this should be reworded.- Addressed.
Intro: "Purpose-driven toward vengeance against Luke Skywalker and the Alliance," You have this here, but no reason why she would desire revenge.- Addressed.
Intro: Link to the "critical defeat" she suffered during the Nagai invasion?- Addressed.
Intro: Regarding the Nagai-Tof War, you characterize it as an invasion of the galaxy, rather than a war against the Tofs, then mention the Tofs later in the section. They needs to be more context here.- Addressed.
Intro: Context on the Sith oracle stone.- Addressed.
Intro: Context on the Yuuzhan Vong.- Addressed.
Intro: At the end of the section you call Luke Skywalker her "one-time lover-turned-nemesis", but no previous mention is given of such a relationship.- Addressed.
Early life: Link to the "similar Imperial program"?- Addressed.
- More to come. IFYLOFD (Floyd's crib) 02:09, February 29, 2012 (UTC)
Training on Carida: Context on Bantha Squad.- Addressed.
Any reason why she would turn down the opportunity to fly the shuttle to Carida?Training on Carida: You should probably add a mention of the "bug walker" nickname to better connect the recounting of the event with the quote.- Addressed.
Lieutenant Brie: "A lobot" doesn't seem right. I don't think that lobot was the real term for what he was. Cyborg is probably better. Thoughts?- Addressed.
The first sentence of the "Alliance heroine" section rambles on pretty long and should probably be split up.- Addressed.
In fact, much of the section has this same problem.- Addressed.
You've been alternating somewhat between "X-wing" and "X-Wing". Make it consistent.- Addressed.
Is there any info on how she takes the name Lumiya?You mention Lumiya's resemblance to Vader during her dealings with the Mecrosa Order, but no previous mention is made of this. Kinda comes out of nowhere.- Addressed.
Events on Herdessa: "As the princess fled after Suzu, the humiliated Lumiya vowed to deal with both the naysayer and the offworlder who had interceded on her behalf." This sentence and the ones before don't really make it clear which one is which.- Addressed.
Again in the next paragraph with the "insurgent".- Addressed.
A little more context on Den Siva would be beneficial.- More to come. IFYLOFD (Floyd's crib) 01:21, March 24, 2012 (UTC)
Context on Come-Up Flector.- Come-Up Flector is the context. That's like asking for context for Sith Lord or something.—Tommy 9281 Tuesday, May 1, 2012, 23:53 UTC
- I disagree. Something like Jedi or Sith can go uncontextualized, because its something pretty much everyone who would be on Wookieepedia would know. Come-Up Flector is different, I'm on Wookieepedia all the time and even I have no idea what it is. Just contextualize it or find a different way to describe it. IFYLOFD (Floyd's crib) 02:25, May 4, 2012 (UTC)
- Addressed.
- I disagree. Something like Jedi or Sith can go uncontextualized, because its something pretty much everyone who would be on Wookieepedia would know. Come-Up Flector is different, I'm on Wookieepedia all the time and even I have no idea what it is. Just contextualize it or find a different way to describe it. IFYLOFD (Floyd's crib) 02:25, May 4, 2012 (UTC)
- Come-Up Flector is the context. That's like asking for context for Sith Lord or something.—Tommy 9281 Tuesday, May 1, 2012, 23:53 UTC
I think that the New Republic saying Lumiya was killed at the end of the Nagai-Tof War could be mentioned earlier.- Addressed.
Any reason why Carnor Jax would turn on Lumiya?Return of the Emperor: "Jax's links to Anor were lost upon his death on Yinchorr, and Lumiya was unable to respond to the individual's advances." What advances? Did Anor try to contact her afterward?- Addressed.
"Although her chaperons were captured by the invaders, Lumiya eluded them to plot her next course of action." "Them" means the Yuuzhan Vong, right? Make it a little more clear.- Addressed.
In "A plan for the galaxy", you give the impression that Vergere was willing to ally with the One Sith and the Rule of One, but the previous section makes it quite clear that she was strictly adherent to the Rule of Two. Please clear this up.- Addressed.
LotF sections could use some paragraph breaks.- I disagree. The paragraphs are adequate size given the information and the article size as a whole.—Tommy 9281 Tuesday, May 1, 2012, 23:53 UTC
- Some of these paragraphs are monstrous in size. You don't have to break up all of them, but a few, like the first paragraph of "Reunion" for example, definitely need breaks. IFYLOFD (Floyd's crib) 00:30, May 7, 2012 (UTC)
- Addressed.
- Some of these paragraphs are monstrous in size. You don't have to break up all of them, but a few, like the first paragraph of "Reunion" for example, definitely need breaks. IFYLOFD (Floyd's crib) 00:30, May 7, 2012 (UTC)
- I disagree. The paragraphs are adequate size given the information and the article size as a whole.—Tommy 9281 Tuesday, May 1, 2012, 23:53 UTC
Context on the Galactic Alliance Guard.Context on what exactly the World Brain was.I think "monstrosity" is a bit POV.- Addressed.
Context on why Alema wanted revenge against the Solos.- Addressed.
- More to come. IFYLOFD (Floyd's crib) 02:12, April 10, 2012 (UTC)
Reunion: "Under the assumption that Lumiya had intentions of vengeance on Ben Skywalker, the Skywalkers immediately intercepted Solo, who had since received an Alliance Colonel's commission, was en route to Hapes on board the Anakin Solo, and related their discoveries and their decision to remove their son from active GAG duty." This sentence runs on and doesn't really add up correctly.- Addressed.
I think you should make it more clear that number 357 was the amendment that Lumiya added.- Addressed.
"From the meeting she also learned that Ben Skywalker defeated Byalfin Dyur, whom she suspected to hear from soon, and unfavorably." What exactly does this mean? She suspected to hear from him unfavorably?- addressed.
"When the potential for opposition in the gallery manifested, Lumiya put it down," How so?- Addressed.
- Will continue with P&T shortly. IFYLOFD (Floyd's crib) 00:30, May 7, 2012 (UTC)
Opinions, opinions…
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In the Personality section header, shouldn't it be "Brie" as opposed to "Shira;" or even "Shira Brie?" Since we use surnames when referring to an individual throughout the article, should the headers not be the one of the suggestions aforementioned? Other than that, great work, Tommy!—Jedi Kasra (comlink) 07:19, May 21, 2012 (UTC)- Addressed. Thanks for the review, Jedi Kasra. Please advise if anything further is required.—Tommy 9281 Wednesday, May 30, 2012, 00:32 UTC
- Will do, friend.—Jedi Kasra (comlink) 13:55, May 30, 2012 (UTC)
- Addressed. Thanks for the review, Jedi Kasra. Please advise if anything further is required.—Tommy 9281 Wednesday, May 30, 2012, 00:32 UTC
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- Special thanks to Menkooroo, for providing much of the behind the scenes material. Tremendous thanks to Master Jonathan, who provided a stellar copy edit and with zeal. This nomination is dedicated to Harrar, who initially began this project with me, but has since left the site to pursue other endeavors. Here's to you, my friend, thank you.—Tommy 9281 Tuesday, July 12, 2011, 22:20 UTC
- Lumiya should be nominates as good article.--Nihilus 16:36, August 21, 2011 (UTC)
- Menkooroo's pointed out that there's no obvious consensus on this (or that the consensus is perhaps against my opinion?), but in my view, Chewbacca on first mention should perhaps be called something else than simpy a "Wookiee." Everyone else in the text gets to be called by their rank or role, but he's only his species. Again, my view, and I do intend to start a SH thread about this eventually, but I wanted to bring it up at least as a comment. Continuing review slowly but surely. :) ~Savage
01:55, September 28, 2011 (UTC)
Vote to strike objections by ID-21 Dolphin (Inq only)
Objections have been addressed for more than three weeks. 1358 (Talk) 12:25, September 16, 2011 (UTC)
CC7567 (talk) 01:25, September 17, 2011 (UTC)
Cavalier One
(Squadron channel) 14:13, September 20, 2011 (UTC)
-- Darth Culator (Talk) 17:38, October 8, 2011 (UTC)
Grand Moff Tranner
(Comlink) 03:34, October 9, 2011 (UTC)
Vote to remove nomination (Inq only)
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For the third time, there are outstanding objections more than three weeks old. It took talk page reminders to get the first two instances addressed; when a nom by anybody is so consistently neglected, it should face the rules. Menkooroo 17:59, February 21, 2012 (UTC)
- As a note: My review took two full months and was sporadic at best within that time frame, and since I didn't technically finish it until February 11th, I'm willing to give him until three weeks after that date. (I'll completely understand if this gets voted off now; I'm just noting why I personally am not voting to remove just yet.) Jonjedigrandmaster (Talk) 17:56, February 22, 2012 (UTC)
- Unstruck due to another round of three-week old objections. Menkooroo 20:31, March 21, 2012 (UTC)
- There is an unaddressed objection from February 29, and another one from April 10th. I'm getting pretty tired of this. Menkooroo 21:48, May 2, 2012 (UTC)
- And I'm getting pretty tired of you trying to make a name for yourself in this manner, Menkooroo. They're being worked on, albeit slowly, but obviously.—Tommy 9281 Wednesday, May 2, 2012, 21:55 UTC
- There's no need to get defensive or accuse me of having any sort of agenda. I'm simply upholding the rules, which do apply to everyone, and insulting me for doing so isn't going to accomplish anything. Just address the objections and try to be more punctual in the future. Menkooroo 22:03, May 2, 2012 (UTC)
- You haven't been insulted, not here. They are being taken care of, period.—Tommy 9281 Wednesday, May 2, 2012, 22:08 UTC
- Unstruck due to another round of three-week old objections. Menkooroo 20:31, March 21, 2012 (UTC)
Don't like to see this happen to big projects, but Wookieepedia's train stops for no man. Toprawa and Ralltiir 22:06, March 21, 2012 (UTC)
Choo choo? CC7567 (talk) 04:52, March 22, 2012 (UTC)
- As a note: My review took two full months and was sporadic at best within that time frame, and since I didn't technically finish it until February 11th, I'm willing to give him until three weeks after that date. (I'll completely understand if this gets voted off now; I'm just noting why I personally am not voting to remove just yet.) Jonjedigrandmaster (Talk) 17:56, February 22, 2012 (UTC)