Pelta-class frigateEdit

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Ecks-class objectionsEdit
  • I think the article would benefit from a separate "Role" section. The "Starship and vehicle class articles" section of Wookieepedia:Layout Guide indeed recommends such a section. Just by glancing at the infobox, it seems there should be more than enough material for a Role section.
  • I don't suppose there's a reason why engagements is capitalized in the section heading "Early Engagements"?
  • Some of the paragraphs in the article are huge. Please split up some of them. I think the article could also benefit from one or even two more images in the history section.
  • The Behind the scenes section needs to be sourced.
    • Sourced--Vitus InfinitusTalk 21:33, February 26, 2018 (UTC)
      • Release dates need separate sources.
        • Added! I was under the impression that they didn't, sorry about that--Vitus InfinitusTalk 02:53, March 1, 2018 (UTC)
  • The article is currently in Category:Pages with missing permanent archival links. Please go through all citation templates and supply backup links. Instructions can be found on the template pages.
  • Please go through all dates in the article and provide a valid source for them. None of the TCW episodes mention "22 BBY", for instance. 1358 (Talk) 00:20, February 26, 2018 (UTC)
  • Please read the instructions for the different fields of Template:Starship class. What you have right now in "role" and "model" is incorrect.
  • {{Imagecat}} should be placed somewhere in the article.
  • The Description section definitely needs to include information about the interior, which, if my memory serves me correctly, was quite prominently featured in "Brain Invaders". 1358 (Talk) 23:05, February 28, 2018 (UTC)
  • Are there no relevant quotes for the currently-quoteless sections? It's been a while since I saw "Brain Invaders", but I bet something applicable can be found there.
  • Please check your image caption punctuation. Full sentences get a full stop.
    • Fixed--Vitus InfinitusTalk 22:15, March 13, 2018 (UTC)
      • Please note that some of the captions you punctuated are actually not full sentences and do not get a full stop. I've fixed it for you. In these cases, the verbs are in present participle and work as modifiers for the nouns. This is a bit of a tricky case, but generally if you have a single verb that ends in -ing in your sentence, it's participle. Let me know if this is unclear. 1358 (Talk) 22:59, March 14, 2018 (UTC)
  • All applicable articles need to be linked within individual references.
  • There are definitely more fields that you can fill in your {{cite web}} references. Authors, release dates, etc. Please also note that the displayed title should match that of the pages you're linking.
  • I'm not convinced that listing different release dates in the Bts is really needed in this article. All you're doing is create a need for more references. Just stick with the release year. 1358 (Talk) 19:34, March 12, 2018 (UTC)
  • Reference 22 doesn't really work as is because "the events of this article" take place over a long period of time.
    • That's what's been used on all dates related to the first half of Rebels Season 2, should I still remove it?--Vitus InfinitusTalk 23:27, March 14, 2018 (UTC)
      • The logic behind the reference should be fine, but you can't say "The events of this article" because the article covers a large timeline. 1358 (Talk) 23:37, March 14, 2018 (UTC)
  • On a quick glance, I can spot at least two instances where the same reference is used consecutively within the same paragraph without any other references inbetween. Either one of those references is incorrect, or the first instance is unnecessary.
  • I don't think we can really assert that 900 was a standard crew size for Pelta-class vessels since the Databank instance explicitly refers to the Phoenix Home. However, we can include that Phoenix Home had a crew of 900.
    • Star Wars: The Rebel Files also states that it had a crew of 900, should I switch references?--Vitus InfinitusTalk 23:20, March 14, 2018 (UTC)
      • Does it say Phoenix Home had 900, or Pelta-class ships in general? 1358 (Talk) 23:21, March 14, 2018 (UTC)
        • Pelta's in general. It's in a section where the details of the frigate are listed like length and manufacturer--Vitus InfinitusTalk 23:27, March 14, 2018 (UTC)
          • Yeah, switching to that sounds good. 1358 (Talk) 23:29, March 14, 2018 (UTC)
            • Done!--Vitus InfinitusTalk 23:31, March 14, 2018 (UTC)
              • For consistency, you should probably use the same references for length and manufacturer etc in the infobox as in the body. 1358 (Talk) 23:37, March 14, 2018 (UTC)
                • Removed the reference all together as Rebel Files has all that info--Vitus InfinitusTalk 23:42, March 14, 2018 (UTC)
  • I'm willing to bet at least some of the TCW quotes have audio files that can be added to the quotes. See Category:Audio files from Star Wars television series. 1358 (Talk) 22:59, March 14, 2018 (UTC)
    • Haven't found any relating to the quotes unfortunately--Vitus InfinitusTalk 23:31, March 14, 2018 (UTC)
  • Reference 27 is throwing a citation error.
    • Oops, must have happened when I switched from the databank to Rebel Files, fixed--Vitus InfinitusTalk 16:16, March 18, 2018 (UTC)
  • This just reads awkwardly due to the tense: "TB-73 arrives at the medical station; however, with no one at the controls, it is in danger of a collision." Go with something like "TB-73 arrives at the medical station with no one at the controls". 1358 (Talk) 16:00, March 18, 2018 (UTC)
  • You should definitely work blockade runner 0-9-9 into the prose instead of leaving it as a link in a quote.
  • The "Escape craft" field in the infobox has infobox-exclusive information.
  • I'd go with just "Frigate" in the "class" field seeing as the "assault ship" part is really for the variant only.
  • You're missing probably more than a few Databank entries from your Sources section. Barriss Offee's and Brain Worm's entries both mention a medical frigate. I'm willing to bet there are more Databank entries that contain at least a cursory mention of the medical frigate. 1358 (Talk) 23:17, March 20, 2018 (UTC)
    • In terms of databanks, I could only find those two, however, the episode guide for the Siege of Lothal has a ton of concept art and information, so I added that as a source as well, and I'm going to be adding the information tonight--Vitus InfinitusTalk 02:03, March 21, 2018 (UTC)
      • Added information and additional images to supplement expansion--Vitus InfinitusTalk 03:04, March 21, 2018 (UTC)
        • Please go through every single relevant TCW episode guide and check for mentions in not just the synopsis but also the trivia/episode/concept art galleries. The guide for "Brain Invaders" mentions the ship and currently you only have the "episode gallery" feature listed in the Sources. We've also been treating the old TCW episode guides as Canon seeing as the episode guides were all adapted directly from the (Canon) episode scripts (see Krix for precedent) so you'll want to go through those as well and see if anything can be added to the Sources. 1358 (Talk) 16:26, March 21, 2018 (UTC)
          • Okay, do I only add the episode guides or do I also add the corresponding concept, episode, and trivia galleries along with the guide?
            • Just the guides; only get that specific when you add references in the article. - AV-6R7Crew Pit 23:02, March 24, 2018 (UTC)
              • Done--Vitus InfinitusTalk 04:18, March 25, 2018 (UTC)
                • You're still missing the old episode guides. "Brain Invaders" and "Shadow of Malevolence", if not more, mention the frigate. {{SWArchive}} is the citation template you'll want to use. 1358 (Talk) 23:32, March 25, 2018 (UTC)
                  • Done--Vitus InfinitusTalk 18:29, March 26, 2018 (UTC)
                    • You should check the biography gallery sections on the databanks too, I just added the Ahsoka one but Kit Fisto's and Poggle the Lesser's also mentions medical frigates --Lewisr (talk) 18:41, March 26, 2018 (UTC)
  • Some notes in regards to citation templates. You can remove the unused parameters in {{cite web}}, just as you wouldn't include empty parameters in any other templates. You should use first and last only; author is just unnecessary if we know both the first and last names. Furthermore, authorlink is for internal, not external links, so it's not applicable here. date takes the form of YYYY-MM-DD in accordance with ISO 8601; you don't need to include year and month. 1358 (Talk) 18:49, March 27, 2018 (UTC)
    • Do I remove all of the unused parameters or just the ones you mentioned?--Vitus InfinitusTalk 20:36, March 27, 2018 (UTC)
  • The Brain worm incident aboard TB-73 is major enough to deserve a mention in the intro, imo.
    • Added--Vitus InfinitusTalk 21:26, March 29, 2018 (UTC)
      • This reads a bit awkward, specifically the "Serving in the capacity of a supply ship" part as you talk about supply ships in the preceding sentence, so it feels a bit repetitive. Maybe you could establish a timeline instead? "In the second year of the war, the crew of aboard the frigate TB-73 was infected by Geonosian brain worms" or something similar would be more informative than what you have now.
  • "During the Imperial Era, the early rebellion, and later the Rebel Alliance, fought against the Galactic Empire and used Pelta-class frigates as medcenters" This just reads awkward. I would recommend you reword it something like this: "During the Imperial Era, Pelta-class frigates were used as medcenters by the early rebellion..."
  • "One notable example of the retrofitted Pelta frigates was Phoenix Home" Notable according to whom? Unless a source explicitly calls the Phoenix Home notable, it's your subjective interpretation and should be removed.
  • Darth Vader could use a title or something as context in the intro.
    • Added--Vitus InfinitusTalk 21:26, March 29, 2018 (UTC)
      • Keep in mind that anything you add to the intro needs to be mentioned in the body as well, and if needed, separately referenced in the body.
  • I feel like you should make "War continues" a section dedicated only to the TB-73 incident and move the last paragraph to "Later campaigns". You could then rename "War continues" as something more appropriate. 1358 (Talk) 20:53, March 29, 2018 (UTC)
  • The "Sources" list is arranged in chronological order, by real world publication date. Please double-check your ordering here. I'm not sure if the new epguides have publication dates, but the old ones sure do, as do some of the other articles.
    • Done--Vitus InfinitusTalk 02:33, April 8, 2018 (UTC)
      • No, they're not ordered by publication date right now. All the old epguides (those that use {{SWArchive}}) were published prior to the revamp so they go before the {{SW}} entries. Aside from the new epguides, there should be a publication date on the page itself. You can also use internet archive to find out when a page first appeared. 1358 (Talk) 21:31, April 8, 2018 (UTC)
  • You have quite a few duplicate links in the body. The good news here is that there's a gadget to weed these out. Simply go to your preferences and enable the tool in the "Gadgets" tab and you'll see what I mean. 1358 (Talk) 14:51, April 1, 2018 (UTC)
    • Looks like I need Java Script or something because I don't see the highlights--Vitus InfinitusTalk 02:25, April 8, 2018 (UTC)
      • You'll need to "Enable personal JavaScript" in the "Under the hood" tab. Any modern browser supports JS so it shouldn't be a problem. 1358 (Talk) 10:01, April 8, 2018 (UTC)
        • Okay, I checked the box for enabling JavaScript and have the check on the gadget for highlighting duplicate linkgs, but I don't notice any highlighting. How are the highlights displayed? Maybe I'm just overlooking it--Vitus InfinitusTalk 21:40, April 8, 2018 (UTC)
        • It's in the My Tools section of the bottom toolbar. The duplicate body links are highlighted with red boxes. See this screenshot. 1358 (Talk) 21:53, April 8, 2018 (UTC)
          • Ohhhh got it now. This is cool, learn something new everyday :) Got a question, for example, if Darth Vader is linked in the intro and I link Darth Vader in let's say behind the scenes or somewhere else in the body, would the second instance still be highlighted? How does that work?--Vitus InfinitusTalk 22:01, April 8, 2018 (UTC)
            • I have no idea of how it actually works, but it ignores intro links. My guess is it starts searching for duplicates after the first heading. 1358 (Talk) 22:04, April 8, 2018 (UTC)
  • I think the Characteristics would benefit from a division into two subsections. How you'll name them is up to you, but the current second and third paragraphs could probably make up one of the potential subsections. 1358 (Talk) 00:52, April 11, 2018 (UTC)
    • Added, how's that?--Vitus InfinitusTalk 01:30, April 11, 2018 (UTC)
      • The reason why I suggested the second and third paragraphs was that they contained mostly stuff related to the interior, so you could simply name that section "Interior". "Trait", "appearance" and "characteristic" are virtually synonyms so the current naming seems a bit redundant.
        • Fixed--Vitus InfinitusTalk 19:55, April 11, 2018 (UTC)
          • I've taken the liberty of doing some rearranging here. Take a look. The "interior" quote is perfect, but the main Characteristics quote is kinda lame. Do you think something else could be found? Please also make sure to double-check my rearrangement for any weird referencing. 1358 (Talk) 21:25, April 11, 2018 (UTC)
            • Your edit looks good to me. I'm having difficulty finding a quote that relates to the characteristics of the vessel, I'll continue to look for another one--Vitus InfinitusTalk 21:29, April 11, 2018 (UTC)
              • I haven't been able to find another quote of greater quality or importance--Vitus InfinitusTalk 20:46, April 12, 2018 (UTC)
                • Very well. 1358 (Talk) 19:45, April 13, 2018 (UTC)
  • With the addition of a new section, you should see if you can find a quote for it, as well.
  • I'd also like to see the intro just slightly expanded. You could probably put a paragraph break after "food rations" and add some more stuff about battles where they saw use during the Clone Wars. 1358 (Talk) 19:45, April 11, 2018 (UTC)
  • The B1 battle droid informing Grievous about the escaping frigates, as featured in the lead quote, is technically intro-exclusive right now. You should sneak that information into the body, allowing you to remove the quote caption link.
    • Added--Vitus InfinitusTalk 20:59, April 13, 2018 (UTC)
      • I was thinking about sneaking it into the body. You don't need to be that detailed in the intro. 1358 (Talk) 21:52, April 19, 2018 (UTC)
  • "...and a mercy mission to Aleen, which saw the use of Pelta-class frigates as blockade runners and supply ships." A cursory glance at the body seems to imply that the frigates weren't used as blockade runners at Aleen. Seeing as Ryloth, Christophsis, and Kaliida Shoals all occur in 22 BBY, you could probably move the Aleen mission to a later point in the intro.
  • "until it was destroyed by Dark Lord of the Sith Darth Vader." You could include here where it was destroyed and link the battle in question. 1358 (Talk) 19:45, April 13, 2018 (UTC)
    • Done. Also restructured the final body paragraph to include where--Vitus InfinitusTalk 20:59, April 13, 2018 (UTC)
Imperators-class frigateEdit
  • Please get rid of the duplicate links. Imperators II(Talk) 19:44, April 25, 2018 (UTC)
  • Write out the dating reference for 4 BBY without relying on the Senate Hall thread. Imperators II(Talk) 19:44, April 25, 2018 (UTC)
    • Done--Vitus InfinitusTalk 17:38, May 6, 2018 (UTC)
      • Firstly, fix the grammar/sentence construction mistakes in the ref. Secondly, you're going to have to be more specific with your sourcing: "according to" Lastly, the ref should be rewritten to adopt the BBY/ABY system. Imperators II(Talk) 20:09, May 8, 2018 (UTC)
        • How do I cite a article in the note itself? Same as I would for any other reference? Added BBY/ABY, and--Vitus InfinitusTalk 20:42, May 8, 2018 (UTC)
          • Sure, you just paste the appropriate template where necessary in the ref. And I'm still not seeing the BBY dates in the ref. Also, from what's currently in the ref, you're saying that The Siege of Lothal is set in 4 BBY just because it takes place between a 4 BBY source and a 3 BBY — but those restraints could just as easily allow the movie to be set in 3 BBY. Imperators II(Talk) 08:46, May 10, 2018 (UTC)
            • Can confirm that Galactic Atlas dates the events of Siege of Lothal to 4 BBY. - AV-6R7Crew Pit 08:52, May 10, 2018 (UTC)
              • Great, I'll remove the note and source it to Atlas--Vitus InfinitusTalk 16:30, May 10, 2018 (UTC)
  • Why is the first sentence of the BTS sourced to Rotten Tomatoes?? Imperators II(Talk) 19:44, April 25, 2018 (UTC)
    • Removed. This was before I was told that I could just source it to the material itself.--Vitus InfinitusTalk 21:44, April 28, 2018 (UTC)
  • "The frigate also saw featured use" — what is this? Imperators II(Talk) 19:44, April 25, 2018 (UTC)
  • "one retrofitted Pelta-class frigate, Phoenix Home, served as the flagship of Phoenix Cell, which also consisted of the Spectres, under the leadership of Commander Jun Sato, until it was destroyed by the Dark Lord of the Sith, Darth Vader during the Siege of Lothal in the Lothal sector" — the mention of the Spectres is unnecessary in this sentence and causes clutter, and it makes it unclear whom Jun Sato commanded. Also, is the mention of the Lothal sector really necessary here? It reads kind of redundant. Imperators II(Talk) 19:44, April 25, 2018 (UTC)
  • What has the ref quote have to do with the Rebels movie's release date? Imperators II(Talk) 19:44, April 25, 2018 (UTC)
    • Removed for same reason as your third objection--Vitus InfinitusTalk 21:44, April 28, 2018 (UTC)
  • How is the Rebels mention in the BTS notable? Imperators II(Talk) 20:09, May 8, 2018 (UTC)
  • Please provide release years for "Brain Invaders" and all the books mentioned in the BTS. Imperators II(Talk) 20:09, May 8, 2018 (UTC)
  • What has the last sentence of History got to do with the Pelta frigates? Imperators II(Talk) 08:46, May 10, 2018 (UTC)
  • Sorry, but ref 26 is just bloody confusing. Please fix the grammar, rewrite the ref for clarity, and don't forget that every fact you mention in the ref has to be sourced. Imperators II(Talk) 08:35, May 21, 2018 (UTC)
    • Couldn't definitively establish that the blockade was before 3 BBY, so I removed that part and fixed ref.--Vitus InfinitusTalk 19:30, May 30, 2018 (UTC)
      • But you should still establish a no-later-than boundary for Raddus sending the document. I mean, the guy died in 0 BBY, didn't he? Imperators II(Talk) 17:25, May 31, 2018 (UTC)
        • Added.--Vitus InfinitusTalk 13:45, June 19, 2018 (UTC)
          • You should specify which media exactly from Rebels's season two place the blockade of Ibaar after the Siege of Lothal. Imperators II(Talk) 16:14, June 20, 2018 (UTC)
  • Duplicate links in the last paragraph of History. Imperators II(Talk) 16:14, June 20, 2018 (UTC)

Shouldn't Raddus' message to Mothma stating in a document assembled by his aides that the rebel fleet consisted largely of several starship classes including Peltas be mentioned? The message is placed between the Blockade of Ibaar and Mission to Ryloth (Phoenix Squadron) if that helps with placement --Lewisr (talk) 16:43, May 10, 2018 (UTC)

  • I wasn't aware of that. What does the passage say?--Vitus InfinitusTalk 16:47, May 10, 2018 (UTC)
    • You should be considering you already used info from the message haha, I've linked to a preview where you can see it --Lewisr (talk) 16:54, May 10, 2018 (UTC)
      • Oh I see, I only included stuff from the chart, thanks Lewis!--Vitus InfinitusTalk 16:59, May 10, 2018 (UTC)
        • Don't know how I missed that. Added--Vitus InfinitusTalk 17:09, May 10, 2018 (UTC)
          • You should when the blockade happened so its gives a rough idea of when the message was sent --Lewisr (talk) 17:18, May 10, 2018 (UTC)
            • Added--Vitus InfinitusTalk 16:10, May 14, 2018 (UTC)
              • You need to add a source that says she was 16 when she joined the rebellion and then one that says the mission take place in 3 BBY --Lewisr (talk) 16:15, May 14, 2018 (UTC)
                • Should be fixed now--Vitus InfinitusTalk 16:19, May 14, 2018 (UTC)
                  • How do we know the blockade came after the Siege of Lothal and before the mission on Lothal? --Lewisr (talk) 16:25, May 14, 2018 (UTC)
  • "for the passengers and crew of the frigates, including a barracks for escorting clone troopers, private quarters for other passengers such as Jedi padawans, and a mess hall for dining" I don't think you need to specifically note Jedi Padawans here. You can probably also reword the first part as well to read "including a barracks for escorting troops, as the barracks aren't specifically for clones.
  • "The Alliance to Restore the Republic would later use the bridge as a communications array, while another bridge at the bow was retrofitted." Did the ship have two bridges, or did the rebels retrofit another room into a second bridge? Supreme Emperor (talk) 03:40, May 17, 2018 (UTC)
  • Does the Star Wars Encyclopedia of Starfighters and Other Vehicles say anything about why some "honorable" Separatist generals refrained from attacking Peltas? Supreme Emperor (talk) 04:36, June 1, 2018 (UTC)
    • Since Vitus is on vacation for the better part of the month: The book merely says "The more honorable generals in the Separatist fleet usually don't attack it". - AV-6R7Crew Pit 04:55, June 1, 2018 (UTC)
      • Thanks AV. As AV states, unfortunately, the Star Wars Encyclopedia of Starfighters and Other Vehicles doesn't specify further.--Vitus InfinitusTalk 13:45, June 19, 2018 (UTC)