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Arena Theme[]
- Nominated by: MasterFred(Whatever) 22:06, November 12, 2010 (UTC)
- Nomination comments: This party's over.
(0 ACs/2 Users/2 Total)[]
Support[]
- Didn't see anything no one had already objected to, just fix those :). OLIOSTER (talk) 19:43, December 2, 2010 (UTC)
- Certainly the most interestingly-written OOU article I've read in a while. Trak Nar Ramble on 05:19, December 22, 2010 (UTC)
Object[]
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Some links to redirects; these are frowned upon.- Wow, I can't believe I missed so many. MasterFred(Whatever) 18:22, November 15, 2010 (UTC)
- All links to Petranaki Airea remain. 1358 (Talk) 18:25, November 15, 2010 (UTC)
- Sorry about that. Didn't realize the article was lowercase. MasterFred(Whatever) 18:36, November 15, 2010 (UTC)
- All links to Petranaki Airea remain. 1358 (Talk) 18:25, November 15, 2010 (UTC)
- Wow, I can't believe I missed so many. MasterFred(Whatever) 18:22, November 15, 2010 (UTC)
References go after punctuation (infobox).- Fixed. MasterFred(Whatever) 18:22, November 15, 2010 (UTC)
Split up the summary paragraph. Even in Monobook, it's huge, and I don't want to see it in Oasis. ^.^- I thought about that, but idk how to do that. There's not really a way that I can think of. MasterFred(Whatever) 18:22, November 15, 2010 (UTC)
- Well, you gotta do something, since that paragraph is just way too big. 1358 (Talk) 18:25, November 15, 2010 (UTC)
- I separated it into the different scenes where the parts of the theme are played. Does that work? MasterFred(Whatever) 18:36, November 15, 2010 (UTC)
- Three subsections is too much, IMHO. Two would be sufficient. 1358 (Talk) 13:14, November 21, 2010 (UTC)
- Down to two. MasterFred(Whatever) 07:12, November 22, 2010 (UTC)
- Three subsections is too much, IMHO. Two would be sufficient. 1358 (Talk) 13:14, November 21, 2010 (UTC)
- I separated it into the different scenes where the parts of the theme are played. Does that work? MasterFred(Whatever) 18:36, November 15, 2010 (UTC)
- Well, you gotta do something, since that paragraph is just way too big. 1358 (Talk) 18:25, November 15, 2010 (UTC)
- I thought about that, but idk how to do that. There's not really a way that I can think of. MasterFred(Whatever) 18:22, November 15, 2010 (UTC)
In the EU: Why not write Expanded universe instead of abbreviating it?- Spelled out. MasterFred(Whatever) 18:22, November 15, 2010 (UTC)
The capitalization of the two last headers is incorrect.- Fixed. MasterFred(Whatever) 18:22, November 15, 2010 (UTC)
Can you make the second external link a bit neater?- Better?
Per GA rule 8, no redlinks are allowed in templates.- I'll create the article. MasterFred(Whatever) 18:22, November 15, 2010 (UTC)
- More articles were recently added to the template. I'll work on those soon. MasterFred(Whatever) 13:46, November 29, 2010 (UTC)
- I'll create the article. MasterFred(Whatever) 18:22, November 15, 2010 (UTC)
- 1358 (Talk) 18:10, November 15, 2010 (UTC)
No parenthesis in the prose.- Fixed. MasterFred(Whatever) 07:12, November 22, 2010 (UTC)
Please use {{cite web}} for ref 2. 1358 (Talk) 13:14, November 21, 2010 (UTC)- Umm...I'm not familiar with this template. How should I use this for Amazon.com? MasterFred(Whatever) 07:12, November 22, 2010 (UTC)
{{Cite_web|url=<insert url here>|title=<insert title here> (visible text)|accessdate=year-month-day}}
. 1358 (Talk) 19:43, November 26, 2010 (UTC)- Better? MasterFred(Whatever) 13:46, November 29, 2010 (UTC)
- Umm...I'm not familiar with this template. How should I use this for Amazon.com? MasterFred(Whatever) 07:12, November 22, 2010 (UTC)
Dark Lords are fond of the arts too[]
"The theme starts off with a percussion, string, and woodwind part that sounds as if it's slightly random." Slightly random to whom? If that can't be sourced then it is POV.- I thought it might be. I couldn't think of a better word. Any ideas? MasterFred(Whatever) 19:48, November 27, 2010 (UTC)
Yes, remove it if it can't be properly sourced.—Tommy 9281 20:49, November 27, 2010 (UTC)- Removed. MasterFred(Whatever) 06:54, November 28, 2010 (UTC)
- I thought it might be. I couldn't think of a better word. Any ideas? MasterFred(Whatever) 19:48, November 27, 2010 (UTC)
"The rest of the low brass then come in and repeat the melody in a slightly different key." Do we know what key?- I'll listen and see if I can find out, though it could technically be any key, as long as the appropriate accidentals are used. MasterFred(Whatever) 19:48, November 27, 2010 (UTC)
- I listened to it and it just goes up a partial. Fixed. MasterFred(Whatever) 13:48, December 3, 2010 (UTC)
- I'll listen and see if I can find out, though it could technically be any key, as long as the appropriate accidentals are used. MasterFred(Whatever) 19:48, November 27, 2010 (UTC)
"The melody is then played again by the low brass with the trumpets playing a countermelody, which at first consists mainly of one note." same as above. Do we know what note?- Again, I'll listen to it. MasterFred(Whatever) 19:48, November 27, 2010 (UTC)
- It's an E. Fixed. MasterFred(Whatever) 13:48, December 3, 2010 (UTC)
- Again, I'll listen to it. MasterFred(Whatever) 19:48, November 27, 2010 (UTC)
"After this run-through, the theme goes into a complicated set of notes, which sound a little random…" Again, random to whom? If it can't be sourced it is POV.- Addressed above. MasterFred(Whatever) 19:48, November 27, 2010 (UTC)
Not yet.—Tommy 9281 20:49, November 27, 2010 (UTC)- Fixed. MasterFred(Whatever) 06:54, November 28, 2010 (UTC)
- Addressed above. MasterFred(Whatever) 19:48, November 27, 2010 (UTC)
Is it possible to add sound clips to the article like quotes or something? I think that would give the article reader a better idea of what you are trying to convey through writing if there was some sort of audio to accompany the text.- There's one in the infobox. I didn't feel we needed to have the entire theme uploaded in separate clips. I could do that if you feel it's necessary. MasterFred(Whatever) 19:48, November 27, 2010 (UTC)
I feel that one for one of the subsections will add sufficient quality to the article without being overkill. It will also help the reader follow all the changes in the music you describe if an audio clip is placed somewhere in there to act as a sort of pacemaker for the article, follow me?—Tommy 9281 20:49, November 27, 2010 (UTC)- I'll upload them. MasterFred(Whatever) 13:46, November 29, 2010 (UTC)
- Uploaded. MasterFred(Whatever) 19:52, November 29, 2010 (UTC)
They are, but they aren't quite placed how I had them in mind. They are all but invisible the way you currently have them; I was thinking more along the lines of under the subsection titles in the format of a quote.—Tommy 9281 20:10, November 29, 2010 (UTC)- I added them as quotes, but they looked butter the other way, IMO. MasterFred(Whatever) 17:40, November 30, 2010 (UTC)
- Uploaded. MasterFred(Whatever) 19:52, November 29, 2010 (UTC)
- I'll upload them. MasterFred(Whatever) 13:46, November 29, 2010 (UTC)
- There's one in the infobox. I didn't feel we needed to have the entire theme uploaded in separate clips. I could do that if you feel it's necessary. MasterFred(Whatever) 19:48, November 27, 2010 (UTC)
"Then follow the strings play the last mentioned fast part." I feel like something is missing from this sentence.- Tense. That's want was missing. Should make sense now. MasterFred(Whatever) 06:54, November 28, 2010 (UTC)+
It still doesn't make sense to me.—Tommy 9281 20:10, November 29, 2010 (UTC)- Is that better? MasterFred(Whatever) 17:46, November 30, 2010 (UTC)
- Tense. That's want was missing. Should make sense now. MasterFred(Whatever) 06:54, November 28, 2010 (UTC)+
"It is also used in one of the film's main menus." If you mean menus on the DVD, you'll need to say that outright.- Fixed. MasterFred(Whatever) 19:48, November 27, 2010 (UTC)
Any particular reason why the info box says "General Grievous' Theme appears in the Revenge of the Sith soundtrack" under the image?- Wow, I copied and pasted it. Must've forgot to change that. :P MasterFred(Whatever) 19:48, November 27, 2010 (UTC)
- No BtS?
- I was told that a Bts was not necessary due to the fact that that's covered in the "Conception and development" section. Not to mention the article is OOU, which makes the whole thing pretty much a Bts. MasterFred(Whatever) 19:48, November 27, 2010 (UTC)
- I will consult a few sources since the Manual of Style says all OOU articles require one. I will get back to you on this.—Tommy 9281 20:49, November 27, 2010 (UTC)
- Per GAN rule #15, all article nominations must include a BtS section.—Tommy 9281 22:15, November 27, 2010 (UTC)
- Well, what is there to put in a Bts? Menkooroo told me there would be a lot of trail-blazing through my first few theme noms because there isn't a set format for them. I personally feel a Bts is redundant. I don't know what else to put in there that isn't already mentioned in the "Cad" and "Use" sections. Maybe a CT to add a change to the LG and MoS and GAN/FAN rules? MasterFred(Whatever) 06:54, November 28, 2010 (UTC)
- Sorry to butt in --- but regarding the proposed CT, the out-of-universe layout guide I cooked up doesn't include a bts section. I want to test the layout out one more time and get some more feedback on it before I officially propose it as a CT, but nobody has had any problem thus far with any of my OOU noms lacking a bts. Long story short is that the entire article is behind-the-scenes, not just a single section. Again, sorry to butt in, but as the person who originally advised Master Fred not to include a bts, I felt it appropriate. Menkooroo 16:27, November 28, 2010 (UTC)
- Thanks Menk. MasterFred(Whatever) 13:46, November 29, 2010 (UTC)
- Until and if Menkooroo's proposed layout becomes policy, this nominated article needs to reflect Wookieepedia's currently existing policy. According to the MOS section on OOU reference works (see item 9), which is further supplemented by GAN Rule 15, all articles, including OOU articles such as this, require a BTS. If there are existing OOU FAs that don't include a BTS, then they're not currently in line with site policy. Toprawa and Ralltiir 20:18, November 29, 2010 (UTC)
- Any wiggle room based on the "This list is typically more flexible than main articles." line? A bts section would be the mother of all redundancy here; the entire article is behind-the-scenes, so how does one decide which info goes in a cumbersome "behind the scenes" section? Menkooroo 03:55, November 30, 2010 (UTC)
- Actually, I think I'm going to start the CT tonight. That's probably the best way for me to go about this. Will report back. Menkooroo 07:36, November 30, 2010 (UTC)
- Until and if Menkooroo's proposed layout becomes policy, this nominated article needs to reflect Wookieepedia's currently existing policy. According to the MOS section on OOU reference works (see item 9), which is further supplemented by GAN Rule 15, all articles, including OOU articles such as this, require a BTS. If there are existing OOU FAs that don't include a BTS, then they're not currently in line with site policy. Toprawa and Ralltiir 20:18, November 29, 2010 (UTC)
- Thanks Menk. MasterFred(Whatever) 13:46, November 29, 2010 (UTC)
- Sorry to butt in --- but regarding the proposed CT, the out-of-universe layout guide I cooked up doesn't include a bts section. I want to test the layout out one more time and get some more feedback on it before I officially propose it as a CT, but nobody has had any problem thus far with any of my OOU noms lacking a bts. Long story short is that the entire article is behind-the-scenes, not just a single section. Again, sorry to butt in, but as the person who originally advised Master Fred not to include a bts, I felt it appropriate. Menkooroo 16:27, November 28, 2010 (UTC)
- Well, what is there to put in a Bts? Menkooroo told me there would be a lot of trail-blazing through my first few theme noms because there isn't a set format for them. I personally feel a Bts is redundant. I don't know what else to put in there that isn't already mentioned in the "Cad" and "Use" sections. Maybe a CT to add a change to the LG and MoS and GAN/FAN rules? MasterFred(Whatever) 06:54, November 28, 2010 (UTC)
- I was told that a Bts was not necessary due to the fact that that's covered in the "Conception and development" section. Not to mention the article is OOU, which makes the whole thing pretty much a Bts. MasterFred(Whatever) 19:48, November 27, 2010 (UTC)
The summary section is not sourced, nor is the info box entirely. Any reason why?- I added that to the infobox after the nom and separated the summary per Xd. Just forgot to add the refs. Added now. MasterFred(Whatever) 06:54, November 28, 2010 (UTC)
This is riddled with tense shifts that I'm pretty sure can be rectified.- I assume you mean the summary. MasterFred(Whatever) 17:46, November 30, 2010 (UTC)
- I'm sorry. I'm not seeing the shifts. All verbs in past tense are preceded by "is," thus making them present tense. MasterFred(Whatever) 19:53, December 2, 2010 (UTC)
- I assume you mean the summary. MasterFred(Whatever) 17:46, November 30, 2010 (UTC)
"The theme then references the "Force Theme" which swaps from low brass to trumpets to low brass." The prose of this sentence is rather choppy and could stand to be rewritten.- Is that better? MasterFred(Whatever) 17:46, November 30, 2010 (UTC)
The use of the word "part" (and so frequently) when describing sections of the music reads kind of colloquially. Is there no technical jargon that can be substituted?- Well, I could use "phrase" or "couple of measures", though "couple of measures" may be speculation as there is no way to tell how Williams set up the time signature unless there is a piece of official sheet music. MasterFred(Whatever) 21:49, November 30, 2010 (UTC)
- I'm assuming that obtaining the sheet music is probably impossible lol, so that's fine. Although, I would be satisfied if you switched it up a bit. "Phrase," among other things, is acceptable to me.—Tommy 9281 13:51, December 3, 2010 (UTC)
- Better? MasterFred(Whatever) 13:54, December 3, 2010 (UTC)
- I'm assuming that obtaining the sheet music is probably impossible lol, so that's fine. Although, I would be satisfied if you switched it up a bit. "Phrase," among other things, is acceptable to me.—Tommy 9281 13:51, December 3, 2010 (UTC)
- Well, I could use "phrase" or "couple of measures", though "couple of measures" may be speculation as there is no way to tell how Williams set up the time signature unless there is a piece of official sheet music. MasterFred(Whatever) 21:49, November 30, 2010 (UTC)
- That's all.—Tommy 9281 12:52, November 27, 2010 (UTC)
- Thanks for the review!! MasterFred(Whatever) 19:48, November 27, 2010 (UTC)
Per Tommy's title[]
I believe this music is utilized in different parts of Star Wars: Bounty Hunter the game, and, as Jang noted below, Star Wars Galaxies. Darth Trayus(Trayus Academy) 11:24, January 17, 2011 (UTC)- Do you own Bounty Hunters? I don't. Also, Jang said he would add that Galaxies info, as I also have no access the Galaxies material. MasterFred(Whatever) 13:35, January 18, 2011 (UTC)
- Sorry to butt in here, but if the theme is included in the Bounty Hunter game, then the article needs to reflect this—and the game should be checked for additional info, as per GAN Rule 3. There are numerous users on the site with the game, so it shouldn't be that hard to check. CC7567 (talk) 04:10, January 29, 2011 (UTC)
- Also note that this objection has been outstanding for almost two weeks, which is the inactivity limit. 1358 (Talk) 15:22, January 30, 2011 (UTC)
- I've tried to get people to look for it. I wrote Trayus on his talk page, and he still hasn't responded. I asked Tope last night, as he's playing through the game. I asked one other person, I forget who it was. I don't own the game, nor can I afford it at the time. I'm not the one being inactive. It's Trayus. No spite to Trayus, but I can't help if he won't respond. If either of you, CC and Xd, have the game, would you mind checking? MasterFred(Whatever) 18:49, January 30, 2011 (UTC)
- With all due respect, Fred, it is your nomination and you are the one responsible for it. By submitting an article here, you confirm that it is comprehensive and it contains information from all applicable sources. It is not Trayus' fault if the article does not meet the requirements. 1358 (Talk) 18:55, January 30, 2011 (UTC)
- I understand. I was just trying to say that I'm trying to fix this one. I haven't been ignoring it. I'm just having troubles with it. MasterFred(Whatever) 21:46, January 30, 2011 (UTC)
- Hey Fred, sorry about the unresponsiveness; I hadn't really noticed your talk page request. I don't have easy access to the game, but I'll see about rechecking for you. I'm almost certain it's in there. I'd suggest also asking another user, however—my response may not be very timely, given the lack of immediate access. Darth Trayus(Trayus Academy) 22:08, January 30, 2011 (UTC)
- Jang showed me a walk-through that should contain the theme if it exists. If you find it, great. If you don't get around to it, I should be able to. Thanks for checking, though. :) MasterFred(Whatever) 02:56, January 31, 2011 (UTC)
- I can verify that at the very least, the intro to the theme is in the game. Where? I'm going to have to do some more digging. I'll report back. Darth Trayus(Trayus Academy) 06:25, February 1, 2011 (UTC)
- It appears during the pit arena fight in Chapter 1. Added the info to the article. If you catch it anywhere else, just tell me. MasterFred(Whatever) 22:00, February 1, 2011 (UTC)
- Okay, I'll strike my objection now and let you know if anything comes up. Darth Trayus(Trayus Academy) 22:12, February 1, 2011 (UTC)
- It appears during the pit arena fight in Chapter 1. Added the info to the article. If you catch it anywhere else, just tell me. MasterFred(Whatever) 22:00, February 1, 2011 (UTC)
- I can verify that at the very least, the intro to the theme is in the game. Where? I'm going to have to do some more digging. I'll report back. Darth Trayus(Trayus Academy) 06:25, February 1, 2011 (UTC)
- Jang showed me a walk-through that should contain the theme if it exists. If you find it, great. If you don't get around to it, I should be able to. Thanks for checking, though. :) MasterFred(Whatever) 02:56, January 31, 2011 (UTC)
- Hey Fred, sorry about the unresponsiveness; I hadn't really noticed your talk page request. I don't have easy access to the game, but I'll see about rechecking for you. I'm almost certain it's in there. I'd suggest also asking another user, however—my response may not be very timely, given the lack of immediate access. Darth Trayus(Trayus Academy) 22:08, January 30, 2011 (UTC)
- I understand. I was just trying to say that I'm trying to fix this one. I haven't been ignoring it. I'm just having troubles with it. MasterFred(Whatever) 21:46, January 30, 2011 (UTC)
- With all due respect, Fred, it is your nomination and you are the one responsible for it. By submitting an article here, you confirm that it is comprehensive and it contains information from all applicable sources. It is not Trayus' fault if the article does not meet the requirements. 1358 (Talk) 18:55, January 30, 2011 (UTC)
- I've tried to get people to look for it. I wrote Trayus on his talk page, and he still hasn't responded. I asked Tope last night, as he's playing through the game. I asked one other person, I forget who it was. I don't own the game, nor can I afford it at the time. I'm not the one being inactive. It's Trayus. No spite to Trayus, but I can't help if he won't respond. If either of you, CC and Xd, have the game, would you mind checking? MasterFred(Whatever) 18:49, January 30, 2011 (UTC)
- Also note that this objection has been outstanding for almost two weeks, which is the inactivity limit. 1358 (Talk) 15:22, January 30, 2011 (UTC)
- Sorry to butt in here, but if the theme is included in the Bounty Hunter game, then the article needs to reflect this—and the game should be checked for additional info, as per GAN Rule 3. There are numerous users on the site with the game, so it shouldn't be that hard to check. CC7567 (talk) 04:10, January 29, 2011 (UTC)
- Do you own Bounty Hunters? I don't. Also, Jang said he would add that Galaxies info, as I also have no access the Galaxies material. MasterFred(Whatever) 13:35, January 18, 2011 (UTC)
Comments[]
- Just noting here that Star Wars Galaxies uses a portion of this piece as combat music. OLIOSTER (talk) 12:52, November 27, 2010 (UTC)
- I have no access to any Galaxies stuff. Do you think you could add it and source it.? MasterFred(Whatever) 19:52, November 27, 2010 (UTC)
- False alarm. After some closer listening, the piece that plays in SWG is Droid Invasion Theme. Certain parts of them sound similar. OLIOSTER (talk) 21:40, November 27, 2010 (UTC)
- Ah yes. I already had to move some info from the Droid Invasion Theme to the Arena Theme article because someone else got them mixed up. :P MasterFred(Whatever) 06:57, November 28, 2010 (UTC)
- False alarm. After some closer listening, the piece that plays in SWG is Droid Invasion Theme. Certain parts of them sound similar. OLIOSTER (talk) 21:40, November 27, 2010 (UTC)
- I have no access to any Galaxies stuff. Do you think you could add it and source it.? MasterFred(Whatever) 19:52, November 27, 2010 (UTC)
- Just so everyone knows, I found sheet music for "The Arena," so feel free to object to technical things. MasterFred(Whatever) 13:53, January 26, 2011 (UTC)
- I've added the Galaxies info. The article has 984 words. If we can find one more appearance, I can easily bump it up to FA! Maybe I'll add some to the intro. :P MasterFred(Whatever) 03:23, February 2, 2011 (UTC)
- Umm...come to find out, there was some rather important info missing from the intro. This needs to be moved to WP:FAN. MasterFred(Whatever) 04:03, February 2, 2011 (UTC)
- Removed per nominator's request. JangFett (Talk) 04:29, February 2, 2011 (UTC)