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Contents
- 1 Good article nominations
- 1.1 Trandosha
- 1.2 Sakas
- 1.3 Ello Asty
- 1.4 Hobin Carsamba
- 1.5 Ice
- 1.6 FN-417
- 1.7 Mul Sanaka
- 1.8 Guts and Glory: A Chronicle of The Amazing Story of The Twisted Rancor Trio
- 1.9 Skull Squadron
- 1.10 Kaplan (colonel)
- 1.11 B1 grapple droid
- 1.12 Attack on Korriban
- 1.13 Z9
- 1.14 Imperial Peace-Keeping Certificate
- 1.15 Cradossk
- 1.16 Unification Wars (Republic)
- 1.17 Veraslayn Kast
- 1.18 Nightsister crystal ball
- 1.19 BC-714 luxury transport
- 1.20 Baird Kantoo
- 1.21 Unidentified false Jedi
- 1.22 Krix
- 1.23 Rakata Prime
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Trandosha
- Nominated by: AV-6R7Crew Pit 02:08, January 15, 2016 (UTC)
- Nomination comments:A CAN that got too long. The original nomination can be found here.
(4 ACs/3 Users/7 Total)
Support
- Cevan (talk) 00:51, January 25, 2016 (UTC)
- JorrelFraajic 07:22, January 27, 2016 (UTC)
- Because it's the forests, not the game, that make a world a hunter's paradise! Imperators II(Talk) 10:55, January 30, 2016 (UTC)
- Added the new character encyclopedia to sources, but there's no new info. Ayrehead02 (talk) 14:29, April 4, 2016 (UTC)
- --Sir Cavalier of One(Squadron channel) 09:43, October 2, 2016 (UTC)
- 1358 (Talk) 22:27, May 6, 2017 (UTC)
- Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 20:31, May 8, 2017 (UTC)
Object
Imperators II
I think you should section the article per WP:LG and provide an intro.I don't see where in the source of ref 11 does it say that it was the proximity of Kashyyyk and Trandosha that caused the rivalry of the two species.Hmmm... couldn't the mention of the convor in Missing in Action be interpreted to mean that the bird is native to Trandosha?Ref 4 does not confirm/inform that Trandosha orbits a single star like the infobox field does. And adding a source for that (like in ref 2) if you can would be nice.Imperators II(Talk) 09:24, January 15, 2016 (UTC)Intro shouldn't be referenced."Dosha" is intro-exclusive.Per WP:LG, info on non-sentient species should be in the Description section, instead. And you could add short bits of context for those creatures, just like you did for Trandoshans.Imperators II(Talk) 23:50, January 15, 2016 (UTC)Currently, in the intro it is stated that Trandosha was positioned in the same system as Kashyyyk, while the Description section only says Kashyyyk neighbored Trandosha. I believe you should swap the two, since the Description section does not mention that the system was shared and in general it should be more detailed than the intro.
Jorrel
Like my objection on Talzzi, some sort of in-prose media identification for Star Wars: The Clone Wars: The Complete Season One would be helpful—something like specifying that it's the DVD set specifically, not just the season.JorrelFraajic 09:38, January 15, 2016 (UTC)
Ecks Dee
Some notes on your referencing: I can see at least one place where identical referencing is used consecutively, which means either one of them is wrong or the first one is unnecessary. Please double-check.As for your references 1+2 and 5+6, I'd recommend you go with just 2 and 6 wherever you currently have both. A well-written reference explains the logic without needing to double-reference. Make sure to link properly in your references too.1358 (Talk) 21:58, February 11, 2016 (UTC)Oh, and check your category order. Something's off...1358 (Talk) 21:19, May 6, 2017 (UTC)
Cav
First things first - is the Netflix audio description really the only source that Wasskah is Trandosha's moon? Because one ref states that it is in the episode guide for Padawan lost but another sources it to the Netflix audio description.- The audio description is the only source that explicitly says that Wasskah orbits Trandosha. I think I fixed your objection. - AV-6R7Crew Pit 16:00, June 3, 2016 (UTC)
- Okay, so if its only the Netflix audio that establishes this, how can we be sure its "official" and not written by a Netflix employee? Or is the audio description the same as the audio description that appears on the DVD? Because if that's the case, then adjusting the wording to remove Netflix would be advisable. - Sir Cavalier of One(Squadron channel) 11:07, June 30, 2016 (UTC)
- I'm not really using it as a source, so to say, but instead as something that clarifies what I'm seeing on screen. This mode doesn't go around naming background characters for the first time or anything like that. It's literally an audio "description" of what's going on onscreen. That said, if anything contradicts it, I'd treat that source as more accurate. I believe that this feature is exclusive to Netflix. - AV-6R7Crew Pit 16:09, June 30, 2016 (UTC)
- You don't need to rely on the Netflix audio, which I don't think should be used either. The third slide of the "Padawan Lost" Episode Gallery identifies Wasskah as a "Trandoshan moon." I'm comfortable with interpreting that as meaning it orbits Trandosha. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 01:01, September 2, 2016 (UTC)
- I'm not really using it as a source, so to say, but instead as something that clarifies what I'm seeing on screen. This mode doesn't go around naming background characters for the first time or anything like that. It's literally an audio "description" of what's going on onscreen. That said, if anything contradicts it, I'd treat that source as more accurate. I believe that this feature is exclusive to Netflix. - AV-6R7Crew Pit 16:09, June 30, 2016 (UTC)
- Okay, so if its only the Netflix audio that establishes this, how can we be sure its "official" and not written by a Netflix employee? Or is the audio description the same as the audio description that appears on the DVD? Because if that's the case, then adjusting the wording to remove Netflix would be advisable. - Sir Cavalier of One(Squadron channel) 11:07, June 30, 2016 (UTC)
- The audio description is the only source that explicitly says that Wasskah orbits Trandosha. I think I fixed your objection. - AV-6R7Crew Pit 16:00, June 3, 2016 (UTC)
I made some changes to the wording in places. Nothing wrong with it really except it didn't flow very well. Check out my changes and see what you think.- Sir Cavalier of One(Squadron channel) 15:50, June 3, 2016 (UTC)
Toprawa
CC and I have just recently started on a campaign to clean up and standardize reference formatting for items from the TCW home-video releases. This involves specifying which commentary/documentary/whatever the information comes from within the set, which should be specified in reference 5.- Is there a specific way you'd like this done so I can apply it to my other articles that use TCW home release citations? - AV-6R7Crew Pit 01:20, October 17, 2016 (UTC)
- The Season One featurettes were all named after the episode they covered, so I need to cite "Downfall of a Droid." - AV-6R7Crew Pit 22:00, October 18, 2016 (UTC)
- Went ahead and did it myself. - AV-6R7Crew Pit 03:41, January 10, 2017 (UTC)
- That works. I added a dash to make it look nice. But is there another, more-prominent source like one of the new reference books that this information can be sourced to instead of the home-video release? Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 16:13, May 2, 2017 (UTC)
- Went ahead and did it myself. - AV-6R7Crew Pit 03:41, January 10, 2017 (UTC)
- The Season One featurettes were all named after the episode they covered, so I need to cite "Downfall of a Droid." - AV-6R7Crew Pit 22:00, October 18, 2016 (UTC)
- Is there a specific way you'd like this done so I can apply it to my other articles that use TCW home release citations? - AV-6R7Crew Pit 01:20, October 17, 2016 (UTC)
Non-canon material is included in the BTS when applicable. Is there nothing to say for this Freemaker thing?Even though the specific segments of Episode Guides aren't listed in the Sources, it's still a good idea to source by them. Please see The Pilot's Lounge article as a nice example of how the overall Guide is listed in the Sources, but the specific segments, such as Trivia Gallery, are employed in the referencing. This article should revise its referencing to follow suit.- Not an objection, but I've revamped the BTS similar to other nominations of yours that I've reviewed. It's more important to lead off with the most relevant source material for this article subject, which in this case is the TCW episode, rather than robotically listing information chronologically, which isn't always the best method for Canon articles that detail previous Legends material. On that note, I've removed the portion detailing the TCW Season One home-video release. As I also explained to you on previous noms, the way you're framing this information is partly inaccurate. It's not correct to say that Trandosha "became canon" when it was mentioned in this TCW home release, as if it never used to be, because Legends material was fully considered canon by Lucasfilm's standards. With that understanding, it's really weird and confusing to say that something that was already canon "became" canon in 2009 prior to the 2014 canon relaunch. I feel the way I've rewritten the BTS is more accurate and easier to understand, and I would recommend following this system in future articles that you write. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 19:36, October 5, 2016 (UTC)
Looking at this article fresh, the first thing I want to address is the presence of LEGO content in the article. You will probably recall this CT, in which the community agreed to start implementing a third tab for LEGO content. What this basically means is that as the author and nominator of the Canon Trandosha article, you are no longer responsible for LEGO Trandosha content. All of that should be removed and (eventually) worked into the Trandosha/LEGO article. For the record, we're sort of handicapped from implementing this third tab until Wikia figures out its new header situation, since it's affecting our Eras template.Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 15:13, April 27, 2017 (UTC)In the infobox's referencing, this reference-note assertion is not self-sourcing: "As Trandosha was located in the same star system as Kashyyyk..." It needs to cite that to something. For example, "As Trandosha was located in the same star system as Kashyyyk, according to [Source]..."- Done. - AV-6R7Crew Pit 16:02, April 27, 2017 (UTC)
- I still think you're facing the same issue even with your revision. "As Ultimate Star Wars places Wasskah, and as a result Trandosha, in the Kashyyyk system" is relying on the basic assumption that Wasskah is Trandoshan's moon, which, correct me if I'm wrong, cannot be sourced to Ultimate Star Wars. You would still need to cite that to something. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 16:18, April 27, 2017 (UTC)
- Done. - AV-6R7Crew Pit 16:02, April 27, 2017 (UTC)
Same goes for this: "Since Trandosha is located in the same star system..."Do we really need two ref notes for the Demonym field? If the first ref note includes the information, the second one isn't necessary unless the issue is contentious or something along those lines.Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 15:30, April 27, 2017 (UTC)After reading the intro and looking at the Episode Guide again, I'm not sure I agree with the article's interpretive decision to treat "Dosha" as Canon alternative name. That really reads more like cut material from the original version of the script. Does "Dosha" appear in any other source material?- No. - AV-6R7Crew Pit 17:03, May 2, 2017 (UTC)
- Then I would suggest removing the "Dosha" mention from the article body and including it only in the BTS. Keep in mind that this episode was created during the Legends era, when TCW was still half-trying to blend material from that continuity, and "Dosha" is a Legends thing. We have no other indication that this name has transitioned into the new continuity, which began three years after this episode guide was written. A second opinion from another AC member concurs with this course of action. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 19:42, May 3, 2017 (UTC)
- Done. - AV-6R7Crew Pit 22:35, May 6, 2017 (UTC)
- I still have some lingering concerns regarding how the BTS is worded in light of this matter. The first question I want to ask is, does the TCW Season One home-video release actually refer to the planet "Trandosha," or is the name "Dosha" only used? Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 15:00, May 8, 2017 (UTC)
- Done. - AV-6R7Crew Pit 22:35, May 6, 2017 (UTC)
- Then I would suggest removing the "Dosha" mention from the article body and including it only in the BTS. Keep in mind that this episode was created during the Legends era, when TCW was still half-trying to blend material from that continuity, and "Dosha" is a Legends thing. We have no other indication that this name has transitioned into the new continuity, which began three years after this episode guide was written. A second opinion from another AC member concurs with this course of action. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 19:42, May 3, 2017 (UTC)
- No. - AV-6R7Crew Pit 17:03, May 2, 2017 (UTC)
In the BTS, we have an issue for the referencing used to source the episode number for "Padawan Lost." The episode guide mistakenly calls it episode 22, while this page (scroll down and open the dropdown for Season Three), correctly calls it episode 21. You could source it to that main TCW homepage, though I think it would be better to reference it to something else, such as the TCW Episode Guide book.A similar issue exists for the reference sourcing the claim that "Wookiee Hunt" is the "thid-season finale," as nothing on that episode guide page actually says that. The reference is relying on the reader understanding that TCW seasons lasted 22 episodes, which is not a given. Ideally, you should be able to source this to the TCW Episode Guide book as well."...both of which aired on April 1, 2011." is dual-referenced to both episode guides, but again, I don't see this information there. It's probably in the Episode Guide book as well.- Not an objection, but I removed the last part from the BTS about the grid square information. It's really just regurgitating basic information already found in the article, and it's not some critical subject development that needs to be detailed in the BTS. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 16:13, May 2, 2017 (UTC)
- Okay, that was something enforced for Legends nominations. Since grid squares are something that canonically exist IU, it could probably be used i. The description section. - AV-6R7Crew Pit 17:00, May 2, 2017 (UTC)
- It's not really something that's "enforced" for Legends. It's left as an optional thing to include in the BTS. In this case, it's not really that important to take up half the entire BTS space. Are you sure that grid squares are in-universe Canon material? Because I believe the Atlas authors told us that they were basically an OOU reference system in Legends. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 19:42, May 3, 2017 (UTC)
- Here it is: Standard Galactic Grid. - AV-6R7Crew Pit 20:15, May 3, 2017 (UTC)
- Then I would definitely say include it in the Description section. Our policy should be updated to reflect this for Canon articles. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 20:22, May 3, 2017 (UTC)
- Here it is: Standard Galactic Grid. - AV-6R7Crew Pit 20:15, May 3, 2017 (UTC)
- It's not really something that's "enforced" for Legends. It's left as an optional thing to include in the BTS. In this case, it's not really that important to take up half the entire BTS space. Are you sure that grid squares are in-universe Canon material? Because I believe the Atlas authors told us that they were basically an OOU reference system in Legends. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 19:42, May 3, 2017 (UTC)
- Okay, that was something enforced for Legends nominations. Since grid squares are something that canonically exist IU, it could probably be used i. The description section. - AV-6R7Crew Pit 17:00, May 2, 2017 (UTC)
Comments
Approved as a Good article by AgriCorps 20:31, May 8, 2017 (UTC)
- I don't want to make this an official objection, as I don't want to be redundant, but I agree with Imperators regarding adding an intro. JorrelFraajic 09:38, January 15, 2016 (UTC)
- Maybe I'm just not remembering details from the episodes, but can you explain for me exactly how you're deducing that Trandosha is the planet seen in those two TCW episodes? Is it identified by name? Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 01:26, September 2, 2016 (UTC)
- Your memory isn't fault; however, evidence of this can be found throughout the episode guides for "Padawan Lost" and "Wookiee Hunt." Along with the aforementioned Trandoshan moon bit, the first episode guide show an image of the planet on the slide in the Trivia Gallery while referring to Trandosha. Also, the second episode guide says that "When Chewbacca says his home world is very close, he's not kidding. According to the Expanded Universe, Kashyyyk and Trandosha are in the same star system." Why would that be there if Wasskah wasn't a moon of Trandosha? - AV-6R7Crew Pit 01:35, September 2, 2016 (UTC)
- Well, my concern is whether any of these Canon sources actually identifies the planet seen in those two episodes as Trandosha. I think the "Padawan Lost" slide is pretty weak to base it on, but I agree at least that this was the creators' intention, so I won't push it. Do any of these other sources listed in the article picture Trandosha or identify it as the planet from these episodes? Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 01:43, September 2, 2016 (UTC)
- Explicitly, no, but the Databank entry for Trandosha says it appeared in TCW (while incorrectly picturing Wasskah). - AV-6R7Crew Pit 01:46, September 2, 2016 (UTC)
- Indeed, it does. Very well, then. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 01:47, September 2, 2016 (UTC)
- Explicitly, no, but the Databank entry for Trandosha says it appeared in TCW (while incorrectly picturing Wasskah). - AV-6R7Crew Pit 01:46, September 2, 2016 (UTC)
- Well, my concern is whether any of these Canon sources actually identifies the planet seen in those two episodes as Trandosha. I think the "Padawan Lost" slide is pretty weak to base it on, but I agree at least that this was the creators' intention, so I won't push it. Do any of these other sources listed in the article picture Trandosha or identify it as the planet from these episodes? Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 01:43, September 2, 2016 (UTC)
- Your memory isn't fault; however, evidence of this can be found throughout the episode guides for "Padawan Lost" and "Wookiee Hunt." Along with the aforementioned Trandoshan moon bit, the first episode guide show an image of the planet on the slide in the Trivia Gallery while referring to Trandosha. Also, the second episode guide says that "When Chewbacca says his home world is very close, he's not kidding. According to the Expanded Universe, Kashyyyk and Trandosha are in the same star system." Why would that be there if Wasskah wasn't a moon of Trandosha? - AV-6R7Crew Pit 01:35, September 2, 2016 (UTC)
- Updated article to reference Star Wars: The Visual Encyclopedia, which explicitly confirms the relationship between Wasskah and Trandosha. - AV-6R7Crew Pit 17:16, April 9, 2017 (UTC)
- The following discussion is preserved as an archive of a good article nomination that was successful. Please do not modify it.
Sakas
- Nominated by: Brandon Rhea(talk) 18:16, March 27, 2016 (UTC)
- Nomination comments:
(4 ACs/8 Users/12 Total)
Support
- Cwedin(talk) 23:02, March 27, 2016 (UTC)
- Ayrehead02 (talk) 14:49, April 4, 2016 (UTC)
- Supreme Emperor (talk) 16:16, April 8, 2016 (UTC)
- Manoof (talk) 09:53, May 10, 2016 (UTC)
- IFYLOFD (Talk) 00:06, June 3, 2016 (UTC)
Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 15:35, June 29, 2016 (UTC)
- Assuming the remaining objections are handled. Corellian PremierThe Force will be with you always 23:21, August 29, 2016 (UTC)
- --Lewisr (talk) 02:57, January 7, 2017 (UTC)
- Cevan (talk) 01:31, February 4, 2017 (UTC)
- AnilSerifoglu (talk) 16:41, February 4, 2017 (UTC)
- Sir Cavalier of One(Squadron channel) 19:23, February 18, 2017 (UTC)
- —Jedi Kasra ("Indeed.") 15:25, February 20, 2017 (UTC)
- Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 19:55, May 5, 2017 (UTC)
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Manoof
Should you have Alliance Special Forces in the infobox, as a bullet point between the alliance and pathfinders. Otherwise it seems Pathfinders are a stand-alone branch of the Alliance, rather than a specific branch of the SpecForces. Manoof (talk) 07:32, May 6, 2016 (UTC)- Done. - Brandon Rhea(talk) 16:10, May 6, 2016 (UTC)
I would recommend making sure your urls are backed up on the archive. Also, does tumblr count as a social media site, and so requires a screenshot? Manoof (talk) 07:32, May 6, 2016 (UTC)- There isn't really a mechanism to do either of these things right now because we don't have a Tumblr template, unless you have an alternative suggestion. - Brandon Rhea(talk) 16:10, May 6, 2016 (UTC)
- I went ahead and made sure the url is backed up, and added it to the reference. Manoof (talk) 22:12, May 6, 2016 (UTC)
- Thanks. - Brandon Rhea(talk) 22:17, May 6, 2016 (UTC)
- I went ahead and made sure the url is backed up, and added it to the reference. Manoof (talk) 22:12, May 6, 2016 (UTC)
- There isn't really a mechanism to do either of these things right now because we don't have a Tumblr template, unless you have an alternative suggestion. - Brandon Rhea(talk) 16:10, May 6, 2016 (UTC)
Can we say somewhere what species Dameron and Solo are? Manoof (talk) 07:32, May 6, 2016 (UTC)- That seems like unnecessary detail. To my knowledge we don't require species-level context for each character who is referenced. - Brandon Rhea(talk) 16:10, May 6, 2016 (UTC)
- I consider it minimum context for characters, but I leave it up to you. Manoof (talk) 22:12, May 6, 2016 (UTC)
- I think the rank info, which is provided, is more appropriate context since it reflects what they do and how they relate to Sakas. If someone wanted species info they could look at their respective pages. - Brandon Rhea(talk) 22:17, May 6, 2016 (UTC)
- I consider it minimum context for characters, but I leave it up to you. Manoof (talk) 22:12, May 6, 2016 (UTC)
- That seems like unnecessary detail. To my knowledge we don't require species-level context for each character who is referenced. - Brandon Rhea(talk) 16:10, May 6, 2016 (UTC)
In the P&T, can you say something about what sort of fighter she was? Manoof (talk) 07:32, May 6, 2016 (UTC)- I'm not sure what you mean by "what sort of fighter" she was. Other than being in the Pathfinders, which is referenced in the biography, we don't know much about her. - Brandon Rhea(talk) 16:10, May 6, 2016 (UTC)
- She seems skilled with a blaster rifle, did she demonstrate hand to hand combat skills at all? Is it worth mentioning or not really? Manoof (talk) 22:12, May 6, 2016 (UTC)
- She didn't demonstrate hand to hand combat skills, no. I feel like "skilled with a blaster" is already implied. She didn't demonstrate any particular skills of note, so the fact that she's Alliance Special Forces can speak for itself IMO. - Brandon Rhea(talk) 22:17, May 6, 2016 (UTC)
- She seems skilled with a blaster rifle, did she demonstrate hand to hand combat skills at all? Is it worth mentioning or not really? Manoof (talk) 22:12, May 6, 2016 (UTC)
- I'm not sure what you mean by "what sort of fighter" she was. Other than being in the Pathfinders, which is referenced in the biography, we don't know much about her. - Brandon Rhea(talk) 16:10, May 6, 2016 (UTC)
What do you mean by "black site", is this something that should be an article? Manoof (talk) 22:12, May 6, 2016 (UTC)- In real life, a black site is a secret base where secret projects are conducted. For example, there are CIA black sites where less-than-good operations have been conducted. What that means in the Star Wars galaxy, though, was never stated. We didn't learn anything about the base beyond the fact that it's an ISB black site, so the most we could do with creating an article is a dictionary definition. In terms of giving more detail about what black site means in this article, we have nothing Star Wars-related to source that to. - Brandon Rhea(talk) 22:17, May 6, 2016 (UTC)
- My apologies, I know I struck and support voted, but I must not have submitted. Manoof (talk) 09:53, May 10, 2016 (UTC)
Floyd
"Nearly three weeks after the Battle of Endor, the battle in which the Alliance delivered a devastating blow to the Empire by destroying its Death Star II superweapon and defeating Emperor Palpatine, Sakas served with the Pathfinders, an Alliance Special Forces unit under the command of General Han Solo, in a raid on an Imperial Security Bureau black site at the Wretch of Tayron, located in the Outer Rim Territories." This is the unwieldiest sentence ever Brandon- Revised. - Brandon Rhea(talk) 06:12, May 29, 2016 (UTC)
Is the Wretch of Tayron the black site itself? The way this is worded it makes it seem like the Wretch of Tayron is a larger location that houses the black site. If so, I think the actual facility itself could use a link.- It's unclear if the Wretch of Tayron is the location of the black site or the black site itself. - Brandon Rhea(talk) 06:12, May 29, 2016 (UTC)
Is there really nothing else you can put in the P&T? She seems to have at least a few speaking lines.- The lines are pretty straight-forward, and about the actions being taken. Sakas doesn't have much in the way of characterization. - Brandon Rhea(talk) 06:12, May 29, 2016 (UTC)
Cav
Any worth in adding an Equipment section? Are the weapons she uses identifiable at all?- Sir Cavalier of One(Squadron channel) 19:50, June 4, 2016 (UTC)- She uses an A280 blaster rifle. I'd prefer to add that into the biography, though, rather than having another one-sentence section. That work? - Brandon Rhea(talk) 20:30, June 4, 2016 (UTC)
- Sure, that works. - Sir Cavalier of One(Squadron channel) 11:15, June 30, 2016 (UTC)
- Sorry, missed this. I've added it to the biography. - Brandon Rhea(talk) 02:14, July 15, 2016 (UTC)
- Sure, that works. - Sir Cavalier of One(Squadron channel) 11:15, June 30, 2016 (UTC)
- She uses an A280 blaster rifle. I'd prefer to add that into the biography, though, rather than having another one-sentence section. That work? - Brandon Rhea(talk) 20:30, June 4, 2016 (UTC)
Toprawa
I didn't want to have to do this, but I wasn't able to get a hold of Brandon today, so I'm leaving this as a formal objection and striking my support vote for now. Cav's objection above regarding the use of an Equipment section should be followed as he originally requested. Sakas' use of an A280 should be mentioned in this section, as should the fact that she wears the standard uniform of every Endor Rebel soldier. That's the purpose of an Equipment section, and mentioning the A280 in the Bio should not preclude its implementation. In fact, I wouldn't recommend even mentioning specific weaponry in the Bio in an article this short, because then it just becomes redundant.Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 05:12, July 19, 2016 (UTC)- How would you advise sourcing the fact that it's the standard uniform for every Endor Rebel soldier? That can't really be sourced to Shattered Empire or Return of the Jedi. Should a reference note be used to say it's similar? Also, so you're aware, I am on vacation without internet access (just phone) starting tomorrow (Thursday) through Tuesday, so I will not see your response to this until Tuesday. - Brandon Rhea(talk) 04:01, July 28, 2016 (UTC)
- The crux here is less on sourcing and more how you word it, which I would prefer to leave up to you. Sakas and all of the Endor Rebels, both in ROTJ and Shattered Empire, are wearing the same basic, standardized camouflaged uniform. That's what I'm looking to see reflected here in Equipment. If this were a ROTJ-exclusive character, that fact can be sourced to ROTJ, which shows us as much; I'm assuming the same holds true for Shattered Empire. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 19:51, September 27, 2016 (UTC)
- Added. - Brandon Rhea(talk) 23:30, November 20, 2016 (UTC)
- The crux here is less on sourcing and more how you word it, which I would prefer to leave up to you. Sakas and all of the Endor Rebels, both in ROTJ and Shattered Empire, are wearing the same basic, standardized camouflaged uniform. That's what I'm looking to see reflected here in Equipment. If this were a ROTJ-exclusive character, that fact can be sourced to ROTJ, which shows us as much; I'm assuming the same holds true for Shattered Empire. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 19:51, September 27, 2016 (UTC)
- How would you advise sourcing the fact that it's the standard uniform for every Endor Rebel soldier? That can't really be sourced to Shattered Empire or Return of the Jedi. Should a reference note be used to say it's similar? Also, so you're aware, I am on vacation without internet access (just phone) starting tomorrow (Thursday) through Tuesday, so I will not see your response to this until Tuesday. - Brandon Rhea(talk) 04:01, July 28, 2016 (UTC)
I'd like to see the Biography divided into two subsections, which would be best accomplished by inserting a paragraph break in the second paragraph. "Solo and the rest of the Pathfinders..." is a natural division point. This will also allow you to use additional images and quotes if available, which I presume they are.Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 19:54, September 27, 2016 (UTC)- Added. There are no additional quotes or images. - Brandon Rhea(talk) 23:30, November 20, 2016 (UTC)
Imperators II
"Sakas was present in the command center" - would that be the ISB base's command center? If so, please add the context.- Yes. I think it's pretty straightforward as-is, but I've added a word to clarify. - Brandon Rhea(talk) 04:01, July 28, 2016 (UTC)
if "Dameron told the story of how he and Sakas raided the base to his son, Poe Dameron," in Before the Awakening, why is the book not listed in Sakas' Appearances section?Imperators II(Talk) 08:03, July 27, 2016 (UTC)- She wasn't mentioned, but their actions were. - Brandon Rhea(talk) 04:01, July 28, 2016 (UTC)
Comments
Approved as a Good article by AgriCorps 19:55, May 5, 2017 (UTC)
AnilSerifoglu
- (not an objection) Are Alliance Special Forces considered part of the Rebel army? Many articles on Wookieepedia (like Rebel Alliance Special Forces and Pathfinders) suggest that, but I'm not sure. AnilSerifoglu (talk) 16:57, February 4, 2017 (UTC)
- Probably, but I don't think the infobox needs quite that level of detail (if that's what you were getting at—I could be wrong). That would mean 5 items were listed under affiliation just to mention Pathfinders. - Brandon Rhea(talk) 19:36, February 18, 2017 (UTC)
- That was indeed what I was getting at, (also I wasn't sure about the army and special forces distinction after I read Rogue One: The Ultimate Visual Guide) but you are right anyway. The infobox is too small to fill them all. AnilSerifoglu (talk) 02:42, March 4, 2017 (UTC)
- Probably, but I don't think the infobox needs quite that level of detail (if that's what you were getting at—I could be wrong). That would mean 5 items were listed under affiliation just to mention Pathfinders. - Brandon Rhea(talk) 19:36, February 18, 2017 (UTC)
Vote to remove nomination (AC only)
Unaddressed objections for almost two months now. Imperators II(Talk) 23:17, November 20, 2016 (UTC)- Wasn't aware that Tope had replied to me. I've addressed the objection. I know that AC/Inqs don't like it when objections are addressed after a removal vote has begun. So, I'd just take this opportunity to remind everyone, before there are any comments about it, that it also took Tope two months to reply to the question that I left for him—and no vote to strike those objections or change anything about the nomination was commenced. - Brandon Rhea(talk) 23:29, November 20, 2016 (UTC)
- Good thing you noticed the vote then, if not the objection. ;) Imperators II(Talk) 23:39, November 20, 2016 (UTC)
- Wasn't aware that Tope had replied to me. I've addressed the objection. I know that AC/Inqs don't like it when objections are addressed after a removal vote has begun. So, I'd just take this opportunity to remind everyone, before there are any comments about it, that it also took Tope two months to reply to the question that I left for him—and no vote to strike those objections or change anything about the nomination was commenced. - Brandon Rhea(talk) 23:29, November 20, 2016 (UTC)
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Ello Asty
- Nominated by: Corellian PremierThe Force will be with you always 22:10, August 26, 2016 (UTC)
- Nomination comments: This guy is Episode 7's Wes Janson: Ace pilot whos in everything.
(2 ACs/7 Users/9 Total)
Support
- Imperators II(Talk) 16:35, August 29, 2016 (UTC)
- Nice work, though I'm worried that, since he's confirmed to be mentioned in upcoming sources, the article may need an update. - AV-6R7Crew Pit 18:00, August 29, 2016 (UTC)
- Great stuff! Lewisr (talk) 01:17, August 30, 2016 (UTC)
- Cevan (talk) 16:01, September 1, 2016 (UTC)
- Ayrehead02 (talk) 09:01, September 3, 2016 (UTC)
- IFYLOFD (Talk) 01:39, September 14, 2016 (UTC)
- The Brave Goldfish (talk) 15:01, October 19, 2016 (EET)
- Great work! AnilSerifoglu (talk) 04:05, May 31, 2017 (UTC)
- ProfessorTofty (talk) 18:55, June 5, 2017 (UTC)
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Imperators II
Per the Background section, shouldn't the first item in the Sources list also have {{1stm}}?Imperators II(Talk) 06:42, August 27, 2016 (UTC)- Well the databank really came out first on Force Friday, but I was generalizing since they were both out before the movie. Do you think I need to make it clearer? And thanks for the copy-edit! Corellian PremierThe Force will be with you always 14:23, August 27, 2016 (UTC)
- I do believe this should be clarified. If Asty wasn't first revealed in his action figure, then the article shouldn't say so. Imperators II(Talk) 05:43, August 28, 2016 (UTC)
- Fair enough. Changed up. Corellian PremierThe Force will be with you always 16:28, August 29, 2016 (UTC)
- I do believe this should be clarified. If Asty wasn't first revealed in his action figure, then the article shouldn't say so. Imperators II(Talk) 05:43, August 28, 2016 (UTC)
- Well the databank really came out first on Force Friday, but I was generalizing since they were both out before the movie. Do you think I need to make it clearer? And thanks for the copy-edit! Corellian PremierThe Force will be with you always 14:23, August 27, 2016 (UTC)
AV
Previews from the upcoming book Star Wars: Poe Dameron: Flight Log have clarified that Asty is from Abednedo; this will need to be added to the article. - AV-6R7Crew Pit 16:19, August 27, 2016 (UTC)
- Thanks for bringing that to my attention. I wonder if I'll have this done by November and then have to go back and update it... Corellian PremierThe Force will be with you always 18:29, August 27, 2016 (UTC)
Cevan
Asty's final words shouldn't be under the 'New Republic service' section. Assuming you still want to include that quote in the article, have it moved to the appropriate section, and, if possible, try to get a quote from Bloodline that's relevant to Asty.Cevan (talk) 16:28, August 27, 2016 (UTC)- Thanks for looking it over. Added his sole dialogue from the book there. Corellian PremierThe Force will be with you always 18:29, August 27, 2016 (UTC)
Is there any chance of getting another image somewhere in the article? Perhaps a behind the scenes image, or a full-body shot of Asty in his flightsuit (such as the one featured in the Abednedo article.Cevan (talk) 00:25, August 30, 2016 (UTC)- You bet. How about the ones I added? Corellian PremierThe Force will be with you always 02:43, September 1, 2016 (UTC)
Ayrehead
Pablo confirmed on Twitter that Asty's costume was reused for a different Abenedo pilot in the scene following his death where the Resistance waves off Rey. I think this is probably worth mentioning as the post-death appearance might confuse some.Ayrehead02 (talk) 09:05, September 1, 2016 (UTC)- Done. Thanks. Corellian PremierThe Force will be with you always 16:35, September 2, 2016 (UTC)
- WP:S rule 10: please provide a screenshot. Imperators II(Talk) 16:54, September 2, 2016 (UTC)
- That has been done. Corellian PremierThe Force will be with you always 00:25, September 3, 2016 (UTC)
- WP:S rule 10: please provide a screenshot. Imperators II(Talk) 16:54, September 2, 2016 (UTC)
- Done. Thanks. Corellian PremierThe Force will be with you always 16:35, September 2, 2016 (UTC)
Floyd
I honestly don't think the Bio needs any subsectioning at all. Not long enough.- Ooookaaay. Corellian PremierThe Force will be with you always 15:21, September 13, 2016 (UTC)
Connect Starkiller Base and the destruction of Hosnian Prime together.IFYLOFD (Talk) 01:47, September 13, 2016 (UTC)- This has been done. Thanks for looking it over! Corellian PremierThe Force will be with you always 15:21, September 13, 2016 (UTC)
Toprawa
- Some basic formatting issues:
I would strongly recommend going no further than two or three cascading bullets deep in the infobox's Affiliations field. Wikia skin's very narrow margins make the article's current presentation look terrible. I'd suggest toggling back and forth between skin views to see what I mean. Just stick to his most critical affiliations. Things like "Resistance military" are entirely unimportant here.- I agree. Removed. Corellian PremierThe Force will be with you always 15:28, September 29, 2016 (UTC)
- Here's a good rule of thumb for this: If the article body isn't mentioning something, don't list it in the infobox. In this case, New Republic military and Starfighter Corps are extraneous. Removing them will help that field look better. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 16:33, September 29, 2016 (UTC)
- Two sections each now. Corellian PremierThe Force will be with you always 16:36, September 30, 2016 (UTC)
- Here's a good rule of thumb for this: If the article body isn't mentioning something, don't list it in the infobox. In this case, New Republic military and Starfighter Corps are extraneous. Removing them will help that field look better. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 16:33, September 29, 2016 (UTC)
- I agree. Removed. Corellian PremierThe Force will be with you always 15:28, September 29, 2016 (UTC)
The Biography has more than enough space to be subsectioned, which will allow you to use more quotes and images if available. More to the point, this will set you up to use some image in the Bio, which is more important than sticking an image in the P/T if you have to choose between them.- Well, the bio did have a couple short sections. I was asked above to remove them and just have one bio section. You still think I should re-add them? Corellian PremierThe Force will be with you always 15:28, September 29, 2016 (UTC)
- I didn't realize another reviewer made this objection. I can talk to him if need be, but yes, I absolutely think you should reintroduce subsectioning. Five paragraphs is a relatively long Bio as far as GAs ago. Anytime a GA goes past three, I typically recommend it. I suspect this is also a case where Wikia skin plays a factor, since formatting between skins can be so radically different. If you toggle to that skin, you'll immediately see the need to divide this section. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 16:37, September 29, 2016 (UTC)
- Re-added. Corellian PremierThe Force will be with you always 16:36, September 30, 2016 (UTC)
- Looks a lot better, but you probably don't need three subsections here. I would recommend turning the last two into a single subsection, which will allow the image to fit a little nicer. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 17:37, October 5, 2016 (UTC)
- Put down to two. Corellian PremierThe Force will be with you always 15:39, October 10, 2016 (UTC)
- Looks a lot better, but you probably don't need three subsections here. I would recommend turning the last two into a single subsection, which will allow the image to fit a little nicer. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 17:37, October 5, 2016 (UTC)
- Re-added. Corellian PremierThe Force will be with you always 16:36, September 30, 2016 (UTC)
- I didn't realize another reviewer made this objection. I can talk to him if need be, but yes, I absolutely think you should reintroduce subsectioning. Five paragraphs is a relatively long Bio as far as GAs ago. Anytime a GA goes past three, I typically recommend it. I suspect this is also a case where Wikia skin plays a factor, since formatting between skins can be so radically different. If you toggle to that skin, you'll immediately see the need to divide this section. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 16:37, September 29, 2016 (UTC)
- Well, the bio did have a couple short sections. I was asked above to remove them and just have one bio section. You still think I should re-add them? Corellian PremierThe Force will be with you always 15:28, September 29, 2016 (UTC)
Once the preceding objection is handled, the article will most likely be more aesthetically prepared for a minor expansion to the intro. Two sentences is pretty short for a Bio so long.Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 20:04, September 27, 2016 (UTC)- Sounds good, thanks. Corellian PremierThe Force will be with you always 15:28, September 29, 2016 (UTC)
- You should do more to expand the intro. The focus isn't so much how many sentences there are as how many lines of text there are, which is a variable factor depending on the infobox, images, etc. In this case, two or three more lines of text in the intro would do good to complement the Bio aesthetically. The "eye test" applies here. Again, this is all with regards to using Wikia skin. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 17:37, October 5, 2016 (UTC)
- Ok, added a couple more sentences. —Unsigned comment by Corellian Premier (talk • contribs).
- You should do more to expand the intro. The focus isn't so much how many sentences there are as how many lines of text there are, which is a variable factor depending on the infobox, images, etc. In this case, two or three more lines of text in the intro would do good to complement the Bio aesthetically. The "eye test" applies here. Again, this is all with regards to using Wikia skin. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 17:37, October 5, 2016 (UTC)
- Sounds good, thanks. Corellian PremierThe Force will be with you always 15:28, September 29, 2016 (UTC)
- This article currently clocks in at 1,220 words by my count, which means it's too long for GAN. You're welcome to nominate it for FAN instead. The AC will remove this nomination per procedure shortly. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 01:52, August 24, 2017 (UTC)
Comments
Cevan
- I'm not going to add this is an objection since you aren't guaranteed a response, but you may want to try and contact Pablo Hidalgo or someone else who works at Lucasfilm and may know the answer on Twitter as to why Asty's callsign is Red Six, but he's said to be part of Blue Squadron. Cevan (talk) 16:02, September 1, 2016 (UTC)
- I already did, and was ignored. :( Maybe @WookOfficial could try? Corellian PremierThe Force will be with you always 16:09, September 1, 2016 (UTC)
- If that works, I have a list of unanswered questions for @WookOfficial. :P - AV-6R7Crew Pit 16:21, September 1, 2016 (UTC)
- I don't like to bother creators with continuity questions on the Wookieepedia Twitter, so I'd rather not tweet the question. - Brandon Rhea(talk) 16:57, September 2, 2016 (UTC)
- If that works, I have a list of unanswered questions for @WookOfficial. :P - AV-6R7Crew Pit 16:21, September 1, 2016 (UTC)
- I already did, and was ignored. :( Maybe @WookOfficial could try? Corellian PremierThe Force will be with you always 16:09, September 1, 2016 (UTC)
- Okay, just to be sure before I make the edits: Poe's Flight Log puts Ello in Red Squad. Since this is the most recent source, ok to overwrite the other sources which put him in Blue Squad? Corellian PremierThe Force will be with you always 21:26, December 3, 2016 (UTC)
- Made a slight edit to the article, please take a look. AnilSerifoglu (talk) 04:05, May 31, 2017 (UTC)
- OK, update complete. Minor changes to Bio and P&T Corellian PremierThe Force will be with you always 15:40, August 16, 2017 (UTC)
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Hobin Carsamba
- Nominated by: Ayrehead02 (talk) 10:57, September 18, 2016 (UTC)
- Nomination comments: A brief break from Leia before I get round to finishing Junn.
(3 ACs/3 Users/6 Total)
Support
- I put the video game under the Non-canon appearances subsection per the new addition to WP:LG. Imperators II(Talk) 11:53, September 18, 2016 (UTC)
- IFYLOFD (Talk) 23:43, September 19, 2016 (UTC)
- Cevan (talk) 17:48, October 24, 2016 (UTC)
- In the absence of a response from Toprawa, I'm voting in favor. - AV-6R7Crew Pit 17:21, February 7, 2017 (UTC)
- Not a fan of the three separate paragraphs in the Bts, but I see the three distinct topics, so I'll let it slide. :P MasterFred(Whatever) 05:28, August 12, 2017 (UTC)
- Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 23:29, August 23, 2017 (UTC)
Object
Floyd
This is one case where I don't think the Bio needs to be subsectioned. You've only got a few really short paragraphs.IFYLOFD (Talk) 23:18, September 19, 2016 (UTC)- It still looks a little chunky in Wikia skin, but removed. Ayrehead02 (talk) 23:29, September 19, 2016 (UTC)
Toprawa
We implemented GAN Rule 14 to make sure we never have another image like the one currently found in this article's infobox. I realize it's being cropped down, but there's no reason why it can't be much higher resolution, especially now that we have home-video access to the film. In addition, we recently passed a new image policy requiring images to be a minimum of 400px when possible. This image can certainly meet that standard, though it does not currently.Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 17:11, September 28, 2016 (UTC)- Done. Ayrehead02 (talk) 21:27, September 28, 2016 (UTC)
- The body image, too, naturally. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 17:57, October 5, 2016 (UTC)
- Done. Ayrehead02 (talk) 17:41, October 7, 2016 (UTC)
- Is that the best we can get for the Bio image? It looks really blurry. If you're altering it in any way besides just cropping, such as zooming in, don't, because it makes it look bad. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 22:13, October 8, 2016 (UTC)
- Without zooming the previous version was the best I could get it to look, although I'll admit I'm no expert at these things. Which is preferable? Ayrehead02 (talk) 12:36, October 9, 2016 (UTC)
- I've replaced the image with a promotional image including Carsamba that I've recently discovered. Ayrehead02 (talk) 09:51, August 3, 2017 (UTC)
- Very good. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 22:35, August 22, 2017 (UTC)
- I've replaced the image with a promotional image including Carsamba that I've recently discovered. Ayrehead02 (talk) 09:51, August 3, 2017 (UTC)
- Without zooming the previous version was the best I could get it to look, although I'll admit I'm no expert at these things. Which is preferable? Ayrehead02 (talk) 12:36, October 9, 2016 (UTC)
- Is that the best we can get for the Bio image? It looks really blurry. If you're altering it in any way besides just cropping, such as zooming in, don't, because it makes it look bad. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 22:13, October 8, 2016 (UTC)
- Done. Ayrehead02 (talk) 17:41, October 7, 2016 (UTC)
- The body image, too, naturally. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 17:57, October 5, 2016 (UTC)
- Done. Ayrehead02 (talk) 21:27, September 28, 2016 (UTC)
The second Bio paragraph is really confusing, especially trying to read it around all of those reference notes. Can you try and break it up into at least two separate sentences, both to justify the paragraph and make it easier to understand what's being said there?Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 22:35, August 22, 2017 (UTC)- Ok I've split it and tried to make it a little clearer. What I'm trying to describe is presumably an error in shot continuity, in which the first shot of the line shows Bobbajo second and the humanoid third, but then in the second shot it shows Bobbajo second, Carsamba third and the humanoid fourth. Ayrehead02 (talk) 07:55, August 23, 2017 (UTC)
- I see now. It looks better. To more clearly state what you've just explained for me, I would suggest saying something like, "Carsamba fell into position between the pet seller and storyteller Bobbajo and another humanoid scavenger at the end of the line." Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 17:50, August 23, 2017 (UTC)
- Done as per your wording. Ayrehead02 (talk) 22:03, August 23, 2017 (UTC)
- I see now. It looks better. To more clearly state what you've just explained for me, I would suggest saying something like, "Carsamba fell into position between the pet seller and storyteller Bobbajo and another humanoid scavenger at the end of the line." Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 17:50, August 23, 2017 (UTC)
- Ok I've split it and tried to make it a little clearer. What I'm trying to describe is presumably an error in shot continuity, in which the first shot of the line shows Bobbajo second and the humanoid third, but then in the second shot it shows Bobbajo second, Carsamba third and the humanoid fourth. Ayrehead02 (talk) 07:55, August 23, 2017 (UTC)
Comments
Approved as a Good article by AgriCorps 23:29, August 23, 2017 (UTC)
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Ice
- Nominated by:Sol PacificusFirestorm 15:25, October 18, 2016 (UTC)
- Nomination comments: I looked to the featured article Deadeye Duncan for some guidance. I found that article to have more detail than I expected. It was from that article's example that I explained a bit more about the Attack on the Endar Spire that led to the Sith quarantine, but I fear that this isn't relevant enough to Ice's story or her perspective to be explained. One other concern I have is the note in the BtS about how her hair is brown in the Xbox version. I have the Xbox strategy guide where the pictures show her with a head like that of Iceman.
(1 ACs/4 Users/5 Total)
Support
- Probably best if you remove the part about Bastila, and merely include the information about the occupation and the blockade. Other than that, all good.--Jace Onasi (talk) 09:55, November 29, 2016 (UTC)
- Done :). Thank you for reviewing it by the way. This has been up here forever. >_< Sol PacificusFirestorm 17:02, November 29, 2016 (UTC)
- Good work! Cevan (talk) 01:27, December 4, 2016 (UTC)
- Very well done.—Jedi Kasra ("Indeed.") 19:00, February 24, 2017 (UTC)
- I enjoyed reading this. Imperators II(Talk) 18:01, May 21, 2017 (UTC)
- MasterFred(Whatever) 08:41, August 18, 2017 (UTC)
Object
Cevan
Just to verify, it's actually stated that Ice is from Taris, correct?Cevan (talk) 15:44, December 1, 2016 (UTC)- Actually no. Good catch! Sol PacificusFirestorm 22:50, December 1, 2016 (UTC)
It may be wise to establish that Revan was an amnesiac Sith earlier on, at his first mention.Cevan (talk) 15:44, December 1, 2016 (UTC)- Done. I have look at past GA reviews for some other KotOR character articles where people have said that that information isn't relevant enough to be included in the first place. I'm guessing we don't have a standardized practice for it? Sol PacificusFirestorm 22:50, December 1, 2016 (UTC)
The behind the scenes section will need some tweaking since KOTOR isn't canon.Cevan (talk) 15:44, December 1, 2016 (UTC)- You mean not canon to Canon right? I removed the mention that she's canonical, but I didn't mention she's from Legends, not sure if it's necessary. Sol PacificusFirestorm 22:50, December 1, 2016 (UTC)
- If you want to add in that she is a Legends character/KOTOR is a Legends game it wouldn't hurt anything, though I'm not certain if that's necessary—clarifying that may make it a little easier for this next part, however. For the second paragraph of the bts section, about the dark side ending, you may want to rephrase that slightly to make it clear that the "non-canonical" bit refers it being non-canon in the Legends coninuitiy or something to that effect. Cevan (talk) 23:09, December 1, 2016 (UTC)
- Do you think that is necessary given that there is already that tag at the top of the article identifying it as a Legends article? It seems a bit awkward to say "In the dark side outcome that is non-canonical in the Legends continuity" (which seems to suggest that it is canonical in Canon continuity even if it is obvious to us that doesn't make sense). Actually we might want to double-check if we're ever supposed to refer to Canon vs. Legends in articles at all. Sol PacificusFirestorm 07:42, December 2, 2016 (UTC)
- I've gone ahead and reword the second paragraph in the behind the scenes section a little. You can take a look and see what you think. Cevan (talk) 13:57, December 2, 2016 (UTC)
- I just edited it. I removed the additional line specifying that it's unclear if Revan "canonically" participated in the dueling ring. I think since it has already been noted that we are only assuming 100% completion in the body paragraph, this makes this line in the BtS to be unnecessary, maybe even redundant. It would also cause confusion to have "canonical" in quotation marks. I think we might check up on others later whether it is fine to use the word canon within the Legends continuity. Really, the main reason why I removed the line though is because in light of all these complications, I suppose at the end of the day, we don't really have to say whether it was canonical or not? I did add that the player earns dark side points for it, and I had originally intended to edit the line to say that we are assuming 100% light side choices so that we treat it as non-canonical, but then I recalled that our assumption is only for convenience's sake when writing the body paragraph. It is canon (in Legends) that Revan had the light-side ending, but he might have made a dark side choice here and there along the way, and that's really my main mistake with calling it non-canonical. Anyways, let me know what you think. Sol PacificusFirestorm 01:23, December 4, 2016 (UTC)
- I've gone ahead and reword the second paragraph in the behind the scenes section a little. You can take a look and see what you think. Cevan (talk) 13:57, December 2, 2016 (UTC)
- Do you think that is necessary given that there is already that tag at the top of the article identifying it as a Legends article? It seems a bit awkward to say "In the dark side outcome that is non-canonical in the Legends continuity" (which seems to suggest that it is canonical in Canon continuity even if it is obvious to us that doesn't make sense). Actually we might want to double-check if we're ever supposed to refer to Canon vs. Legends in articles at all. Sol PacificusFirestorm 07:42, December 2, 2016 (UTC)
- If you want to add in that she is a Legends character/KOTOR is a Legends game it wouldn't hurt anything, though I'm not certain if that's necessary—clarifying that may make it a little easier for this next part, however. For the second paragraph of the bts section, about the dark side ending, you may want to rephrase that slightly to make it clear that the "non-canonical" bit refers it being non-canon in the Legends coninuitiy or something to that effect. Cevan (talk) 23:09, December 1, 2016 (UTC)
- You mean not canon to Canon right? I removed the mention that she's canonical, but I didn't mention she's from Legends, not sure if it's necessary. Sol PacificusFirestorm 22:50, December 1, 2016 (UTC)
Couple things…
This article should assume 100% game completion unless stated elsewhere. Please change the article intro to reflect this. It doesn't have to be long, just enough to note that Revan defeated her in the dueling ring.- Not sure if I'm allowed to disagree with objections, but I was always under the impression that assumption of 100% completion was only for the convenience of comprehensiveness in the article but not treated as a declaration of what is canonical. This, and the fact that the tag is necessary to clarify this, led me to believe that the introduction should omit extra details that comes with 100% completion because there's no tag that is applied in the introduction or the header for this purpose. Instead, the tag is after all applied in the body paragraph where such details arise. Can we be sure that the community is consistent on this? Sol PacificusFirestorm 19:33, February 17, 2017 (UTC)
- Wait... did I misread, were you not talking about the introduction? Because the body paragraph already specifies that Revan defeated her in the dueling ring. "After beating Deadeye Duncan and Gerlon Two-Fingers, he fought Ice and emerged victorious, winning 300 credits." Sol PacificusFirestorm 19:36, February 17, 2017 (UTC)
- The way we used to do it when I was more active before was that we put a brief summary of everything in the intro.—Jedi Kasra ("Indeed.") 12:23, February 20, 2017 (UTC)
- That's not what I'm asking. I'm asking if that information should be included under the notion of "brief summary of everything" considering that it's not content that has been verified to be canonical. We assume 100% game completion for the ease and convenience of article writing—and add a template message clarifying this where the information arises in the body paragraph, but if we include that information in the introduction itself, without a header template specifying that we're assuming 100% game completion, we're essentially presenting it as 100% verified canon. It also diminishes the point of the "Game mechanics" tag in the body paragraph since we don't feel the need to clarify this when it appears at the introduction itself anyways. I have changed it as asked though, but I'm checking this up with the IRC. Sol PacificusFirestorm 19:45, February 20, 2017 (UTC)
- Please do that, and adjust if I'm incorrect. All I'm going by is the way we used to do it before.—Jedi Kasra ("Indeed.") 19:56, February 20, 2017 (UTC)
- I have done as you asked nonetheless. Is it sufficient for you to cross this out? Sol PacificusFirestorm 22:50, February 20, 2017 (UTC)
- Thank you. My apologies for not getting back to this sooner.—Jedi Kasra ("Indeed.") 18:59, February 24, 2017 (UTC)
- I have done as you asked nonetheless. Is it sufficient for you to cross this out? Sol PacificusFirestorm 22:50, February 20, 2017 (UTC)
- Please do that, and adjust if I'm incorrect. All I'm going by is the way we used to do it before.—Jedi Kasra ("Indeed.") 19:56, February 20, 2017 (UTC)
- That's not what I'm asking. I'm asking if that information should be included under the notion of "brief summary of everything" considering that it's not content that has been verified to be canonical. We assume 100% game completion for the ease and convenience of article writing—and add a template message clarifying this where the information arises in the body paragraph, but if we include that information in the introduction itself, without a header template specifying that we're assuming 100% game completion, we're essentially presenting it as 100% verified canon. It also diminishes the point of the "Game mechanics" tag in the body paragraph since we don't feel the need to clarify this when it appears at the introduction itself anyways. I have changed it as asked though, but I'm checking this up with the IRC. Sol PacificusFirestorm 19:45, February 20, 2017 (UTC)
- The way we used to do it when I was more active before was that we put a brief summary of everything in the intro.—Jedi Kasra ("Indeed.") 12:23, February 20, 2017 (UTC)
Linking in the quotations isn't necessary unless the subjects in quotation are not mentioned elsewhere in the article.- Thanks for clarifying this, I always wasn't sure. xD Sol PacificusFirestorm 19:33, February 17, 2017 (UTC)
Is Bendak Starkiller's true identity relevant to Ice herself? If so, please provide the proper source for his identity of Gorse Bendak, which is the Knights of the Old Republic Campaign Guide. If not, you should omit any mention of Gorse from the article.- Out of curiosity, did you mean to ask if Bendak Starkiller should have been referred to by his alias rather than his real name instead? Or were you asking if his character is relevant to her character? Anyways, I cited the campaign guide as asked. Sol PacificusFirestorm 19:33, February 17, 2017 (UTC)
- I'm saying Gorse Bendak's past isn't really relevant to Ice herself. Of course, Bendak is relevant, but it's ok to just refer to him by his stage name here, imo.—Jedi Kasra ("Indeed.") 12:33, February 20, 2017 (UTC)
- I've changed it to referring to only his stage name. Sol PacificusFirestorm 19:45, February 20, 2017 (UTC)
- I'm saying Gorse Bendak's past isn't really relevant to Ice herself. Of course, Bendak is relevant, but it's ok to just refer to him by his stage name here, imo.—Jedi Kasra ("Indeed.") 12:33, February 20, 2017 (UTC)
- Out of curiosity, did you mean to ask if Bendak Starkiller should have been referred to by his alias rather than his real name instead? Or were you asking if his character is relevant to her character? Anyways, I cited the campaign guide as asked. Sol PacificusFirestorm 19:33, February 17, 2017 (UTC)
- Otherwise, very well written. Take care of these and you've my support.—Jedi Kasra ("Indeed.") 16:36, February 17, 2017 (UTC)
Imperators II
The sentence sourced to CSWE should be paraphrased a bit, otherwise it's almost copied verbatim.- Unfortunately, I actually do not have the CSWE. Pardon me, but I seem to have completely neglected that point when I nominated this article. :-/ I suppose the best I can do is to work with what you tell me from that book. For this line in question, do you think it would be better if I just remove it and incorporate the detail of her hiding her blast in her clothing into the "Equipment" section? The bit about her having earned a "devious reputation" I think is in all intents and purposes already covered and otherwise is just flowery language from the book.
- The "devious reputation" bit is OK to keep, since I don't really see where else in the article that is covered. The part about the hidden blaster could go under Equipment, but since it already mentions her blaster and her armor, maybe it should better go under a new "Skills and abilities" section, where you could also mention that she was considered a confident and steady fighter by Marl.
- Done. I have it under Equipment only though. I'm really short on time, so if you want it to go under a "Skill and abilities" instead, I'll have to do that another time. Sol PacificusFirestorm 19:35, May 9, 2017 (UTC)
- Whoa, whoa, a sword? Are you referring to the vibroblade there? Maybe it's a vibrosword, then? And now you've added info to the Equipment section that I think would definitely be better under Skills and abilities, along with the stuff I mentioned earlier. Imperators II(Talk) 06:52, May 10, 2017 (UTC)
- I kind of wondered while writing that if you would bring this up, but I would argue that a vibroblade in the series most certainly is long enough to be a sword, being the length of a normal short sword in real-life, with vibroswords being the length of historical long swords. In fact, vibroblades are the exact length of "short swords" in the game and are essentially the "vibro" versions of them, with vibroswords corresponding to the long swords. Sol PacificusFirestorm 07:19, May 10, 2017 (UTC)
- Whoa, whoa, a sword? Are you referring to the vibroblade there? Maybe it's a vibrosword, then? And now you've added info to the Equipment section that I think would definitely be better under Skills and abilities, along with the stuff I mentioned earlier. Imperators II(Talk) 06:52, May 10, 2017 (UTC)
- Done. I have it under Equipment only though. I'm really short on time, so if you want it to go under a "Skill and abilities" instead, I'll have to do that another time. Sol PacificusFirestorm 19:35, May 9, 2017 (UTC)
- The "devious reputation" bit is OK to keep, since I don't really see where else in the article that is covered. The part about the hidden blaster could go under Equipment, but since it already mentions her blaster and her armor, maybe it should better go under a new "Skills and abilities" section, where you could also mention that she was considered a confident and steady fighter by Marl.
- Unfortunately, I actually do not have the CSWE. Pardon me, but I seem to have completely neglected that point when I nominated this article. :-/ I suppose the best I can do is to work with what you tell me from that book. For this line in question, do you think it would be better if I just remove it and incorporate the detail of her hiding her blast in her clothing into the "Equipment" section? The bit about her having earned a "devious reputation" I think is in all intents and purposes already covered and otherwise is just flowery language from the book.
Hmm... the CSWE entry has some more stuff:The entry refers to Ice as a "gladiator fighter". Do you think you could incorporate this in the article, as well as adding Category:Gladiators?- Done. :) Sol PacificusFirestorm 05:12, April 27, 2017 (UTC)
It also specifically says Ice, along with other fighters, were chosen by Ajuur to compete in the dueling ring.- Since I don't have the CSWE, I'm not clear on the exact context of that, but I noted that she was personally recruited by Ajuur, which I believe means the same thing? Sol PacificusFirestorm 05:12, April 27, 2017 (UTC)
- I don't think that technically "to choose" and "to personally recruit" mean the same thing.
- Well do you have the book? Can you give me the exact quote? Sol PacificusFirestorm 21:09, April 27, 2017 (UTC)
- The entry has just these two sentences: "One of the many gladiator fighters chosen by Ajuur the Hutt to compete in his events on Taris during the Great Sith War. Known as a devious fighter, she often hid a blaster inside her clothing in case a bout got out of hand." Imperators II(Talk) 09:32, April 28, 2017 (UTC)
- Done. Sol PacificusFirestorm 19:35, May 9, 2017 (UTC)
- The entry has just these two sentences: "One of the many gladiator fighters chosen by Ajuur the Hutt to compete in his events on Taris during the Great Sith War. Known as a devious fighter, she often hid a blaster inside her clothing in case a bout got out of hand." Imperators II(Talk) 09:32, April 28, 2017 (UTC)
- Well do you have the book? Can you give me the exact quote? Sol PacificusFirestorm 21:09, April 27, 2017 (UTC)
- I don't think that technically "to choose" and "to personally recruit" mean the same thing.
- Since I don't have the CSWE, I'm not clear on the exact context of that, but I noted that she was personally recruited by Ajuur, which I believe means the same thing? Sol PacificusFirestorm 05:12, April 27, 2017 (UTC)
The entry, most probably mistakenly, says Ice participated in the fights during the Great Sith War. You could add this to the BTS.- I haven't done this yet. Because I don't have the source, I wasn't sure if you meant the entry notes she fought in the Great Sith War, or she participated in fights of the duel ring while the Great Sith War was ongoing. Also, do you think we should say outright that this is an error or that it is most likely an error? Sol PacificusFirestorm 05:12, April 27, 2017 (UTC)
- Knights of the Old Republic Campaign Guide describes Starkiller's history where he becomes a gladiator after Revan defeats the Mandalorians. Since Ice became a gladiator sometime after that, the CSWE entry must be in error. Imperators II(Talk) 09:32, April 28, 2017 (UTC)
- Done, but I noted instead that it is likely erroneous because the Great Sith War took place decades before the Jedi Civil War where she is still a young woman. The reason why I didn't mention the reasoning behind Starkiller's history is because that is known to contradict directly with KotOR's own account of Starkiller's history. In KotOR, the death matches were banned around 3966 BBY, meaning Bendak had already spent years garnering his reputation as a gladiator on Taris before that. In the campaign guide, he is said to have been a miner on Vanquo before the Battle of Vanquo in 3964 BBY, and only became a gladiator after the Mandalorian Wars. While the campaign guide, being the newer source, might override KotOR's account, since this is such a major contradiction that was never addressed, I think it's better to avoid mentioning it. Sol PacificusFirestorm 19:35, May 9, 2017 (UTC)
- Knights of the Old Republic Campaign Guide describes Starkiller's history where he becomes a gladiator after Revan defeats the Mandalorians. Since Ice became a gladiator sometime after that, the CSWE entry must be in error. Imperators II(Talk) 09:32, April 28, 2017 (UTC)
- I haven't done this yet. Because I don't have the source, I wasn't sure if you meant the entry notes she fought in the Great Sith War, or she participated in fights of the duel ring while the Great Sith War was ongoing. Also, do you think we should say outright that this is an error or that it is most likely an error? Sol PacificusFirestorm 05:12, April 27, 2017 (UTC)
Context for Endar Spire needed.- Done. Sol PacificusFirestorm 05:12, April 27, 2017 (UTC)
Release date for KOTOR should be added.- Done. 05:12, April 27, 2017 (UTC)
Is there a quote on Ice's introspection about Starkiller's death that could be used for BTS?Imperators II(Talk) 09:10, April 25, 2017 (UTC)- Great idea actually, done. Let me know if you think it should be trimmed though, and I wasn't entirely sure of the best way to describe the context of her delivering the quote. Sol PacificusFirestorm 05:12, April 27, 2017 (UTC)
- It seems fine to me. Imperators II(Talk) 19:38, April 27, 2017 (UTC)
- Great idea actually, done. Let me know if you think it should be trimmed though, and I wasn't entirely sure of the best way to describe the context of her delivering the quote. Sol PacificusFirestorm 05:12, April 27, 2017 (UTC)
Fred strikes back
The second to last sentence in the Bio uses the phrase "cold-heart truth." Is this the exact phrase the game uses? If not, I'm not aware that this is even a real phrase, and I assume it should be "cold, hard truth."MasterFred(Whatever) 01:03, August 13, 2017 (UTC)- Thanks for catching that! Sol PacificusFirestorm 01:10, August 14, 2017 (UTC)
Comments
- I think I should point out that the featured article of another duelist Deadeye Duncan doesn't bother to say that that is his alias. More notably, in the infobox his name isn't in quotations. I really think that we should be consistent in this. Sol PacificusFirestorm 22:50, December 1, 2016 (UTC)
- This is really a minor point, but I kind of disagree with the changing of "the amnesiac former Sith Lord Revan" to "the amnesiac former Dark Lord Revan". Could you explain your reasons for making this change Imperators II? I always found referring to Sith Lords as "Dark Lords" to be colloquial, and the division of the term into an un-linked "Dark" and the linked "Lord" looks awkward to me. I'm also a little unsure about all the instances of doing away with the pronouns, whatever the technical term for that is. In a few cases, I agree they're necessary, but I think you might've overdid it a little and substituted with too little pronouns now. Is there a guideline on how often the subject should be renamed? Finally, I previously changed the first line's "that" to "who" because I have read that the two are interchangeable, only that "who" is more correct if the subject is a person. I'm not too clear on the difference, and I'm still skeptical of that rule, but thus far, that is what I have read when looking up the issue on sites that advise on English grammar. Sol PacificusFirestorm 04:52, April 27, 2017 (UTC)
- Oh my, I'm so stupid. This whole time, I hadn't re-read the line clearly that the subject being referred to in that clause is the "Taris dueling ring" not Ice, my bad. Sol PacificusFirestorm 04:56, April 27, 2017 (UTC)
- I don't see how "Dark Lord" is colloquial. It's not wrong to refer to Revan as a Sith Lord, but it's more precise to refer to him as a Dark Lord of the Sith, especially considering how the Sith Empire had many Sith Lords, but only one Dark Lord.
- Oh my, I'm so stupid. This whole time, I hadn't re-read the line clearly that the subject being referred to in that clause is the "Taris dueling ring" not Ice, my bad. Sol PacificusFirestorm 04:56, April 27, 2017 (UTC)
- Regarding pronouns, you had whole paragraphs that used nothing but one or two pronouns. It was repetitive, but, more importantly, could potentially cause confusion, like in the first paragraph the pronoun used to refer to Starkiller could also be interpreted as referring to Ajuur. You can never go wrong with alternating pronouns with last names/alternate descriptors/synonyms, and, as I said, it's less repetitive that way. Imperators II(Talk) 09:32, April 28, 2017 (UTC)
- Yeah, when I had read it over, not through the actual editing window, I realized that you were right on the pronouns. I forgot that Dark Lord refers to the title of Dark Lord of the Sith, but if that's the case, I don't think it's really appropriate to break that into linking to the title "lord" which was also how I got confused. Dark Lord is its own exact title, which, while etymologically derived in part from "lord", isn't actually the same as the title of lord. Sol PacificusFirestorm 12:05, May 1, 2017 (UTC)
- And yet the Dark Lords were addressed with the title "Lord". Imperators II(Talk) 13:40, May 1, 2017 (UTC)
- Huh. Always thought that wasn't in reference to "Dark Lord", oops. But are you sure it still doesn't make more sense to link "Dark Lord" to "Dark Lord of the Sith", as you did in the introduction, instead? Sol PacificusFirestorm 23:44, May 1, 2017 (UTC)
- Oh, it's already linked before. Ehhhhhh, dividing the term up like that looks so wrong to me, but oh well. >_< In a similar vein, I actually don't think that linking the first instant of a pronoun to "sexes" is the best idea grammatically. The pronoun ultimately refers to the subject, the person, not to the sex itself, and I find this awkward as well. Is this standard Wookieepedian practice? Sol PacificusFirestorm 23:46, May 1, 2017 (UTC)
- It kind of is, yeah. Imperators II(Talk) 06:28, May 2, 2017 (UTC)
- Regarding pronouns, you had whole paragraphs that used nothing but one or two pronouns. It was repetitive, but, more importantly, could potentially cause confusion, like in the first paragraph the pronoun used to refer to Starkiller could also be interpreted as referring to Ajuur. You can never go wrong with alternating pronouns with last names/alternate descriptors/synonyms, and, as I said, it's less repetitive that way. Imperators II(Talk) 09:32, April 28, 2017 (UTC)
- I'm surprised no one else caught this earlier, but this nomination clocks in at 1,085 words by my count, which means it's too long for the GAN page. You're welcome to nominate it for FAN instead. I wanted to give you a chance to see this message first before the nomination is procedurally removed by the AgriCorps. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 23:05, August 22, 2017 (UTC)
- The following discussion is preserved as an archive of a good article nomination that was successful. Please do not modify it.
FN-417
- Nominated by: Ayrehead02 (talk) 11:24, October 19, 2016 (UTC)
- Nomination comments: Pretty sure this is the first person Rey directly kills.
(4 ACs/5 Users/9 Total)
Support
- The first step on the road to the dark side. Imperators II(Talk) 22:19, October 22, 2016 (UTC)
- Nice work. -- Dr. Porter (Talk|Contribs) 23:22, October 22, 2016 (UTC)
- Cwedin(talk) 23:26, October 22, 2016 (UTC)
- Cevan (talk) 21:19, October 23, 2016 (UTC)
- The Brave Goldfish (talk) 19:17, October 27, 2016 (EET)
- IFYLOFD (Talk) 01:58, November 18, 2016 (UTC)
- 1358 (Talk) 18:45, May 9, 2017 (UTC)
- Sol PacificusFirestorm 19:23, May 11, 2017 (UTC)
- Supreme Emperor (talk) 04:23, May 19, 2017 (UTC)
Object
Dr. Porter
In the biography section, "human" should be referenced.- Some context on the First Order please.
- "As the attack on the castle began FN-417 began moving into the surrounding forest..." a comma should come after the first "began". Also, I would suggest replacing the second "began" with something else so the sentence reads better.
- "...attempted to shot the stormtrooper,..." oノ( ゜-゜ノ) you dropped this :)
- In the biography, a reference to TFA should come before "NN-14".
The equipment section needs a reference to TFA.-- Dr. Porter (Talk|Contribs) 07:49, October 22, 2016 (UTC)- Thanks for the review! Should all be sorted now. Ayrehead02 (talk) 09:41, October 22, 2016 (UTC)
- Dr. Porter, feel free to add missing letters and commas yourself. :) Imperators II(Talk) 22:08, October 22, 2016 (UTC)
- Yeah, that would probably be easier. -- Dr. Porter (Talk|Contribs) 23:22, October 22, 2016 (UTC)
- Dr. Porter, feel free to add missing letters and commas yourself. :) Imperators II(Talk) 22:08, October 22, 2016 (UTC)
- Thanks for the review! Should all be sorted now. Ayrehead02 (talk) 09:41, October 22, 2016 (UTC)
Imperators II
The fact that FN-417 received orders through radio (if it was indeed radio) should probably be mentioned in the article body, as well.Imperators II(Talk) 22:08, October 22, 2016 (UTC)- Done. Ayrehead02 (talk) 22:16, October 22, 2016 (UTC)
Ecks Dee
I'm not really convinced that the voice actor behind the radio contact is really relevant to this article.1358 (Talk) 16:45, April 26, 2017 (UTC)- Fair enough, it was an interesting bit of trivia and since the character was never going to get it's own article I thought it might fit here. I've now removed it. Ayrehead02 (talk) 21:56, April 26, 2017 (UTC)
In the infobox, "FN Corps" is sourced to TFA whereas in the body it's sourced to Before the Awakening. I assume the infobox bullet point should also be sourced to BtA, but I'll defer.- Done. Ayrehead02 (talk) 22:21, May 1, 2017 (UTC)
"As the First Order's forces attacked the castle of the pirate Maz Kanata, where the droid had been spotted, FN-417 moved into the surrounding woods, where the scavenger Rey spotted the trooper." Two instances of "spotted" in the same sentence. Please vary your usage.- Done. Ayrehead02 (talk) 22:21, May 1, 2017 (UTC)
- On a second look, this sentence could still use some tweaking. Having two clauses starting with "where" in the same sentence doesn't sound that smooth.
- I've split the sentence so it sounds better. Ayrehead02 (talk) 22:20, May 3, 2017 (UTC)
- On a second look, this sentence could still use some tweaking. Having two clauses starting with "where" in the same sentence doesn't sound that smooth.
- Done. Ayrehead02 (talk) 22:21, May 1, 2017 (UTC)
Is there a suitable article that could be linked through the word "radio" in the body? A cursory search of mine reveals nothing, but maybe you could do some digging to see if there exists something relevant, or failing that, judge whether the creation of a new article would be suitable.1358 (Talk) 22:03, May 1, 2017 (UTC)- It certainly isn't worth making an article for radio, as nothing identifies it as a radio in the film. I could change it to comlink or have a pipelink to it through radio? I'm not sure if that's making to big of an assumption. I can't find anything specifying what communication device First Order stormtroopers have built into their armor or carry. Ayrehead02 (talk) 22:21, May 1, 2017 (UTC)
- Fair enough. Pipelinking comlink is probably not appropriate.
- It certainly isn't worth making an article for radio, as nothing identifies it as a radio in the film. I could change it to comlink or have a pipelink to it through radio? I'm not sure if that's making to big of an assumption. I can't find anything specifying what communication device First Order stormtroopers have built into their armor or carry. Ayrehead02 (talk) 22:21, May 1, 2017 (UTC)
"allowing Rey to escape.[2]" This feels a bit disjointed, considering the article doesn't give the impression that she was trying to escape from anything. I'd recommend replacing that altogether with a mention of her being captured shortly thereafter.1358 (Talk) 20:30, May 3, 2017 (UTC)- Changed. Ayrehead02 (talk) 22:20, May 3, 2017 (UTC)
- I don't think naming Kylo Ren is necessary; it just raises more questions than it answers. Something like "Rey then fired off two more shots with her pistol, the second of which hit and killed the trooper; however, she was captured shortly thereafter by First Order forces." or similar would suffice. 1358 (Talk) 21:52, May 6, 2017 (UTC)
- Changed as you recommended. Ayrehead02 (talk) 09:58, May 7, 2017 (UTC)
- I don't think naming Kylo Ren is necessary; it just raises more questions than it answers. Something like "Rey then fired off two more shots with her pistol, the second of which hit and killed the trooper; however, she was captured shortly thereafter by First Order forces." or similar would suffice. 1358 (Talk) 21:52, May 6, 2017 (UTC)
- Changed. Ayrehead02 (talk) 22:20, May 3, 2017 (UTC)
SE
"who served in the military group known as the First Order's FN Corps" You can specify that the FN Corps was a stormtrooper unit. Perhaps "who served in the FN Corps, a stormtrooper unit in the First Order's military" or something similar.Supreme Emperor (talk) 04:52, May 4, 2017 (UTC)- Changed as per your recommendation. Ayrehead02 (talk) 09:30, May 4, 2017 (UTC)
Sol Pacificus
"FN-417 was portrayed by an uncredited extra in the film [...]" should be written in the present tense. The reason is because the uncredited extra portrays the character whenever the movie is played which can be anytime long after the movie has been released. I think a lot of people get confused over this, and I, for one, am not sure if the same goes if you used the verb "play". You can see Wikipedia's good article on Star Wars: Episode III – Revenge of the Sith as an example.Sol PacificusFirestorm 18:02, May 11, 2017 (UTC)- Changed to present tense. Ayrehead02 (talk) 18:41, May 11, 2017 (UTC)
Comments
Approved as a Good article by AgriCorps 05:49, May 19, 2017 (UTC)
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Mul Sanaka
- Nominated by: Ayrehead02 (talk) 21:44, October 22, 2016 (UTC)
- Nomination comments: Damn, somehow I completely missed that IFYLOFD had replied to the objection. Outstanding objections addressed in the comments.
(3 ACs/3 Users/6 Total)
Support
- Let's try this again, shall we? Imperators II(Talk) 21:56, October 22, 2016 (UTC)
- Cevan (talk) 20:11, November 3, 2016 (UTC)
- Cwedin(talk) 20:51, February 10, 2017 (UTC)
- MasterFred(Whatever) 22:31, April 26, 2017 (UTC)
- Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 22:17, August 24, 2017 (UTC)
- And we're done here. 1358 (Talk) 22:24, August 24, 2017 (UTC)
Object
Ecks Dee
"Mul Sanaka owned the entertainment venue Club Deeja in the Marina District of the city of Keren on the idyllic planet Naboo during the reign of the Galactic Empire." This sentence is quite a run-on. I recommend removing the last part ("during the reign...") seeing as you establish a timeline in the following sentence. Either that or split it up.- Damn I finished most of these ages ago but completely forgot to come back and reply! Sorry for the wait, done. Ayrehead02 (talk) 13:04, August 23, 2017 (UTC)
"In 0 BBY,[1] while the Order were in his employ, the Empire destroyed the Alderaanians' homeworld;" I'm not sure stating that they were in his employ is necessary as it's said in the paragraph above and nothing indicates otherwise.- Done. Ayrehead02 (talk) 13:04, August 23, 2017 (UTC)
"In 0 ABY,[1] shortly after the Battle of Yavin, Princess Leia Organa of Alderaan arrived on Naboo in search of the Order, as she was aiming to gather together those Alderaanians who had survived the loss of their homeworld, as the Empire was now attempting to hunt them down." Two consecutive clauses starting with an "as", please reword."Upon arriving on Naboo, she encountered Lord Junn, an old acquaintance whom she had known during her childhood.[2] Her arrival on Naboo is mentioned in the sentence before. Swapping the first arrival for "traveled" or something would probably do the trick.- Done. Ayrehead02 (talk) 13:04, August 23, 2017 (UTC)
I'm not convinced that naming Leia's pistol is relevant to this character. Pipelinking the blaster would probably work though.- Changed to a pipelink. Ayrehead02 (talk) 13:04, August 23, 2017 (UTC)
The last two paragraphs of the bio are kind of choppy in general. Please see if you can do some rearranging for better flow.1358 (Talk) 20:20, August 9, 2017 (UTC)- Alright I've moved them around a bit. How does it look now? Ayrehead02 (talk) 13:04, August 23, 2017 (UTC)
Toprawa
No other image that could be used for the P/T? There's plenty of room there for something.Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 18:08, August 23, 2017 (UTC)- Added in two more. Ayrehead02 (talk) 22:18, August 23, 2017 (UTC)
Regarding the date reference note I had you use for the Carsamba article, I'd like to see the same thing implemented here.- Done. Ayrehead02 (talk) 21:27, August 24, 2017 (UTC)
- That really doesn't work for his death in the infobox, though. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 21:34, August 24, 2017 (UTC)
- Damn good point, split it to two references that should now work. Ayrehead02 (talk) 21:48, August 24, 2017 (UTC)
- Much better. Made a few little tweaks. For this ref, can we not just put that at the end of this whole phrase? I think it would tie in better with the contents of the ref itself. "In 0 BBY,[3] the Empire destroyed the Alderaanians' homeworld" Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 21:55, August 24, 2017 (UTC)
- Sure the referencing still works. Moved the ref as requested. Ayrehead02 (talk) 22:14, August 24, 2017 (UTC)
- Much better. Made a few little tweaks. For this ref, can we not just put that at the end of this whole phrase? I think it would tie in better with the contents of the ref itself. "In 0 BBY,[3] the Empire destroyed the Alderaanians' homeworld" Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 21:55, August 24, 2017 (UTC)
- Damn good point, split it to two references that should now work. Ayrehead02 (talk) 21:48, August 24, 2017 (UTC)
- That really doesn't work for his death in the infobox, though. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 21:34, August 24, 2017 (UTC)
- Done. Ayrehead02 (talk) 21:27, August 24, 2017 (UTC)
In the intro quote attribution, should it really be employees' (plural)?- Yup, he's talking about the three Besalisks. Ayrehead02 (talk) 21:27, August 24, 2017 (UTC)
The P/T image caption is virtually identical to the first image caption in the Bio. Can we change one of them up?Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 21:09, August 24, 2017 (UTC)- Done. Ayrehead02 (talk) 21:27, August 24, 2017 (UTC)
Comments
Approved as a Good article by AgriCorps 22:24, August 24, 2017 (UTC)
- In response to IFYLOFD's objection, there's no indication that he necessarily even knows about the bounty, his comments on profit are solely related to the band playing at the club. Ayrehead02 (talk) 21:44, October 22, 2016 (UTC)
- I'm not sure if Xd's objection is still outstanding as there is now an archive link in the reference thanks to Imperators. Ayrehead02 (talk) 21:44, October 22, 2016 (UTC)
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Guts and Glory: A Chronicle of The Amazing Story of The Twisted Rancor Trio
- Nominated by: Sol PacificusFirestorm 22:56, October 22, 2016 (UTC)
- Nomination comments: An article that exceeded the word limit for a comprehensive article nomination. "This article was nominated before. I tried to address the points raised in the previous nomination. I am unsure of the proper layout for articles concerning books. Also, I was very skeptical of referring to this as a "book" in the first place, as the only known version we find is a draft that is only a several paragraphs long. I mentioned this in the article's talk page. I suppose the author intended it to be a book eventually."
(3 ACs/2 Users/5 Total)
Support
- Provided EJ's objections are satisfied.—Jedi Kasra ("Indeed.") 12:02, February 20, 2017 (UTC)
- Fine after my review. Corellian PremierThe Force will be with you always 17:11, May 11, 2017 (UTC)
- This must have been tricky to write, but it's an interesting read. I like the articles you write. You should write more articles. :P Imperators II(Talk) 18:16, May 21, 2017 (UTC)
- Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 22:20, August 29, 2017 (UTC)
- Exiled Jedi (talk) 01:31, August 30, 2017 (UTC)
Object
Exiled Jedi
The introduction to this article should be expanded.- I've expanded it as asked. I'm still not accustomed to how much detail an introduction should incorporate. Sol PacificusFirestorm 22:26, November 12, 2016 (UTC)
- There is some context about the band in the Slugthrowers article that should be mentioned in this article.
- I cannot find any mention of this band in the slugthrowers article. :-/ Sol PacificusFirestorm 20:49, November 12, 2016 (UTC)
- Oooh my bad. I did not realize you meant the reference article at StarWars.com. I used that source to describe the band as a jatz band, but I'm not sure if more should be mentioned. Refer below, this article pertains to the book, not the band itself, which is something I'm being careful about. Sol PacificusFirestorm 22:26, November 12, 2016 (UTC)
- I think the fact that they are a jatz band is important enough to mention in the body of the article, not just the BTS.--Exiled Jedi (talk) 23:29, January 10, 2017 (UTC)
- I've added a brief mention of it in the contents section as well, which reminds me, isn't it Wookieepedian policy for the things that are described in the introduction to be reintroduced in the body paragraphs? My current "Contents" section doesn't appear to do that, as it opens up as a continuation of the introduction. Does this need to be fixed? Sol PacificusFirestorm 02:33, January 11, 2017 (UTC)
- This has been fixed. Just want to double-check if you missed it or not. Sol PacificusFirestorm 01:31, August 14, 2017 (UTC)
- I think the fact that they are a jatz band is important enough to mention in the body of the article, not just the BTS.--Exiled Jedi (talk) 23:29, January 10, 2017 (UTC)
The 3956 BBY date cannot be sourced directly to the game.- The game and Revan's events on Taris are set in 3956 BBY is it not? I did not write that the book was written or authored or published in 3956 BBY, but only that it was a "work in progress in 3956 BBY" meaning that at some point during that year, the book was not yet completed. We don't know when he began the book or when he finished it, but we know that Revan found it as a work in progress in 3956 BBY. Sol PacificusFirestorm 20:22, November 12, 2016 (UTC)
- Yes, but the game does not directly say 3956 BBY. It gave an approximate date that clearly defined in other sources.--Exiled Jedi (talk) 23:29, January 10, 2017 (UTC)
- Done :D. Sol PacificusFirestorm 02:33, January 11, 2017 (UTC)
- Yes, but the game does not directly say 3956 BBY. It gave an approximate date that clearly defined in other sources.--Exiled Jedi (talk) 23:29, January 10, 2017 (UTC)
- The game and Revan's events on Taris are set in 3956 BBY is it not? I did not write that the book was written or authored or published in 3956 BBY, but only that it was a "work in progress in 3956 BBY" meaning that at some point during that year, the book was not yet completed. We don't know when he began the book or when he finished it, but we know that Revan found it as a work in progress in 3956 BBY. Sol PacificusFirestorm 20:22, November 12, 2016 (UTC)
Its mention in the Slughthrowers article should be mentioned in the BTS.- I can find no mention of it in the slugthrowers article, and there is no relevance of the band or the book to slugthrowers in the game.Sol PacificusFirestorm 22:26, November 12, 2016 (UTC)
- Nevermind, I missed that you were referring to the reference article on StarWars.com. I have done as requested, but double-check that I did the citation correctly, as I have trouble with the proper format of citations that use templates.Sol PacificusFirestorm 22:26, November 12, 2016 (UTC)
Please include an image of the datapad from the game as it is an image of the work.- I will need help with this as I have no experience with retrieving images. I assumed that the process involved screen-shooting, pasting onto a document, then using some image editor to convert it to some means by which it can be uploaded. However, for whatever reason, any attempts to take a screenshot in the game results in a black-screen image. I did not formerly have this trouble with the game on this PC years ago. I'm actually not entirely sure we should include the image of the datapad in the first place. It shares the same image of datapad as many other datapads in the game. Sol PacificusFirestorm 22:26, November 12, 2016 (UTC)
- I don't have the game installed, so you will need to request an image from someone else. Sorry.--Exiled Jedi (talk) 23:29, January 10, 2017 (UTC)
- Are you sure that this article would really benefit from the image? Because the image of the datapad is literally identical to the image of every other datapad in the game, including all the Star Maps. As such, I'm not sure if the image of the datapad can really be said to actually show this book, or if we'd be portraying it like the image uniquely shows the book while it actually can also be said to show the Star Maps, a water pump analysis report, a scientist's memo, etc. Moreover, the datapad isn't technically the book itself, but a device holding a draft of it. Sol PacificusFirestorm 02:45, January 11, 2017 (UTC)
- I just added the image. I still disagree it should be included for the reasons I've stated, but I added it so you can get a better look. It's also quite low quality, but it's the best I can do. Sol PacificusFirestorm 11:55, January 20, 2017 (UTC)
- I don't have the game installed, so you will need to request an image from someone else. Sorry.--Exiled Jedi (talk) 23:29, January 10, 2017 (UTC)
- I will need help with this as I have no experience with retrieving images. I assumed that the process involved screen-shooting, pasting onto a document, then using some image editor to convert it to some means by which it can be uploaded. However, for whatever reason, any attempts to take a screenshot in the game results in a black-screen image. I did not formerly have this trouble with the game on this PC years ago. I'm actually not entirely sure we should include the image of the datapad in the first place. It shares the same image of datapad as many other datapads in the game. Sol PacificusFirestorm 22:26, November 12, 2016 (UTC)
Please provide a quote for the contents section.- Done, but I'm not sure my choice of quote is the best one.
- "The origins of what would eventually become the most famous band in the galaxy are surprisingly humble. The brains behind the group, manager Gilthos Uksaris, founded the Trio to earn a date with a young singer named Elinda." (introduction)
- "Davik asked Gilthos to bring his group in for a command performance. Gilthos agreed, realizing this could be the band's big break. Unfortunately, Elinda had heard certain unsubstantiated rumors about Davik Kang and his connections to the Exchange. Fearing for her life, she refused to go to his estate to perform." (6th line)
- "Many felt that without Elinda's singing the band would crumble. But Gilthos came up with a brilliant plan to save the group by hiring Elinda's sister, Ashana, as the new lead singer on the eve of their scheduled appearance at Davik's estate." (7th line)
- "Gilthos knew he was taking a risk. If Ashana couldn't perform at Elinda's level, Davik's infamous temper could have dire consequences for the entire band. However, if Ashana could match her sister's performance then Davik was likely to sign the band to a big time touring contract." (8th line)
- "It was a risk, but The Twisted Rancor Trio was founded on "Guts and Glory". (9th and last line)
- I personally thought the last line was perfect as the introduction quote in the article. I preferred the 8th line for the Content section's quote, but I'm afraid that it may be weird given that it leads directly to the quote we have in the introduction section. I currently am using the 7th line. I considered using the first line of "the origins of what would [...]" but thought that might be too tame. Which line do you think is best? Sol PacificusFirestorm 21:08, November 12, 2016 (UTC)
- I think that the one you selected is fine.--Exiled Jedi (talk) 23:29, January 10, 2017 (UTC)
- I personally thought the last line was perfect as the introduction quote in the article. I preferred the 8th line for the Content section's quote, but I'm afraid that it may be weird given that it leads directly to the quote we have in the introduction section. I currently am using the 7th line. I considered using the first line of "the origins of what would [...]" but thought that might be too tame. Which line do you think is best? Sol PacificusFirestorm 21:08, November 12, 2016 (UTC)
Looking at the text from the in-game item, it looks like there is more detail that should be added to the article.- I intentionally minimized details from the text from the in-game item because this article deals with the book itself not the Twisted Rancor Trio or its members. The book provides a summary of the history of the band, the article explains the book and therefore explains the summary of the history of the band, not the history of the band per se. In contrast, I explained the narrative of the band and its members in as much detail as I could in their respective articles (save the band itself which I didn't work on). I tried to provide as much detail as I could in accordance with this policy of explaining the book's contents, not paraphrasing what the book narrates. Sol PacificusFirestorm 20:49, November 12, 2016 (UTC)
- In other words, I am being very careful about making sure the content of this article has the book as the topic, not the band itself. Sol PacificusFirestorm 22:26, November 12, 2016 (UTC)
- I actually wanted to add that we possibly could go for a "Plot summary" section instead. Since it is an in-universe article, we could write it like how Wikipedia often has a plot summary or synopsis section for books and movies. Maybe this is the better approach. My main reasoning why I did not go this route is because the text is actually quite brief, and I am fairly certain that applying as much detail as possible, the "Plot summary" would actually be longer than the original text itself, which I found awkward as it's meant to be a "summary". xD Sol PacificusFirestorm 01:29, November 17, 2016 (UTC)
- Well, the thing is that the article should do its best to be comprehensive and cover everything that the original does. If it needs to be longer than the actual game text to adequately explain its contents, that is not an issue. You don't need to refer to everything verbatim, but you need to hit all of the main points / themes. Here are the main areas I think are lacking:
- You don't really mention how Uksaris refers to Davik as a legitimate businessman and that the rumors of being connected to Exchange are unsubstantiated, but then he mentions the major risk and dire consequences if they disappoint him. I think these are important to note.
- Also, I think you should mention that Uksaris wrote that if Ashana could match Elinda that Davik would likely sign them to a major touring contract.--Exiled Jedi (talk) 23:29, January 10, 2017 (UTC)
- I've done as you asked. Those were indeed some important details I missed, even if I were posing it as a description of the book's contents, not the story itself. However, I had some slight trouble fitting these missing pieces in without rewriting the whole thing. I did think that it was good to note that the missing details explain the title and theme of the book.
- Well, the thing is that the article should do its best to be comprehensive and cover everything that the original does. If it needs to be longer than the actual game text to adequately explain its contents, that is not an issue. You don't need to refer to everything verbatim, but you need to hit all of the main points / themes. Here are the main areas I think are lacking:
- In regards to mentioning that Uksaris seemed to suggest Kang's association with the Exchange are but unsubstantiated rumors, and that he referred to him as a legitimate businessman, I added it in the last line as:
- "Though authored by Uksaris, he had chosen to write it in the third-person, but this did not stop it from being tinged with his perspective, as he refers to Kang as a "legitimate businessman" whose affiliation with the Exchange are unsubstantiated rumors—rumors that were in fact entirely true."
- In regards to mentioning that Uksaris seemed to suggest Kang's association with the Exchange are but unsubstantiated rumors, and that he referred to him as a legitimate businessman, I added it in the last line as:
- I'm not sure of this approach because I think it might verge on making my own interpretation of the piece, in describing its diction and implications. My earlier version to try to incorporate this piece was this:
- "At the time that the draft was written, the invitation and the conflict that ensued were recent developments, as the narrative ended with Ashana replacing her sister Elinda as lead singer on the eve of the scheduled performance when the latter refused to accept the invitation for fear of Kang's rumored association with the Exchange.
- Because Ashana's musical skill was untested and failure to please the crime lord could provoke the Exchange's wrath, the band was aware that the last-minute plot could endanger their lives. Nevertheless, Uksaris, aside from his skepticism of these rumors, was adamant that the reward—for Kang to sign them onto a major touring contract—outweighed these risks. It is thus in allusion to this bold gamble that Uksaris based the theme of his book: "guts and glory"."
- My issue with this earlier version is that I'm not sure "rumors" clearly referred to Kang's rumored association with the Exchange as its 2 lines away not to mention in the previous paragraph. Also it doesn't refer to him thinking of him as a legitimate businessman, which I don't personally think we really need to explicitly state (i.e. I think it's enough just to say Uksaris didn't believe those rumors were unsubstiantiated), but anyways if we wanted to include it, I was having trouble fitting those in without creating sentences that run too long, hence the version I'm using at the moment. Sol PacificusFirestorm 02:25, January 11, 2017 (UTC)
Have you checked Knights of the Old Republic: Prima's Official Strategy Guide for any mention of the book?- I just checked. I can find no mention of it, even in the items section. The strategy guide is for the Xbox version, and I'm not sure one for the PC was ever made. It's entirely possible this little mini-quest was never part of the Xbox version of the game, which is outdated compared to the PC version. Sol PacificusFirestorm 20:49, November 12, 2016 (UTC)
- Please try and find out if it was in the Xbox version then. If it is not, then that should be mentioned in the BTS.--Exiled Jedi (talk) 23:29, January 10, 2017 (UTC)
- As I said, the Xbox version doesn't include any mention of it. Wouldn't mentioning this in the BTS simply be to say that it's absent from the source? I'm not sure if it makes sense to write in BTS sections that an article's subject is absent from particular sources. :-/ Sol PacificusFirestorm 02:33, January 11, 2017 (UTC)
- You said that it was entirely possible that it wasn't in the Xbox version of the game. That is what I wanted you to check and include in the BTS if it is not in that version.--Exiled Jedi (talk) 02:50, January 11, 2017 (UTC)
- Ahh my bad. So a quick search online, I've found this, which seems to prove that it is in the Xbox version. If it wasn't, it should obviously be noted, but since it is, is there still anything to note? Sol PacificusFirestorm 03:01, January 11, 2017 (UTC)
- You said that it was entirely possible that it wasn't in the Xbox version of the game. That is what I wanted you to check and include in the BTS if it is not in that version.--Exiled Jedi (talk) 02:50, January 11, 2017 (UTC)
- As I said, the Xbox version doesn't include any mention of it. Wouldn't mentioning this in the BTS simply be to say that it's absent from the source? I'm not sure if it makes sense to write in BTS sections that an article's subject is absent from particular sources. :-/ Sol PacificusFirestorm 02:33, January 11, 2017 (UTC)
- Please try and find out if it was in the Xbox version then. If it is not, then that should be mentioned in the BTS.--Exiled Jedi (talk) 23:29, January 10, 2017 (UTC)
- I just checked. I can find no mention of it, even in the items section. The strategy guide is for the Xbox version, and I'm not sure one for the PC was ever made. It's entirely possible this little mini-quest was never part of the Xbox version of the game, which is outdated compared to the PC version. Sol PacificusFirestorm 20:49, November 12, 2016 (UTC)
- I will look over the article again after you finish with these objections.--Exiled Jedi (talk) 15:28, November 12, 2016 (UTC)
In the full text section of the article, I don't think you should include the "[There are no further entries.]" as part of the in-universe work.- Thanks for catching that! Sol PacificusFirestorm 01:30, August 14, 2017 (UTC)
There are a lot of very short paragraphs in the description section. Could you try and work some of them together?- I merged two paragraphs together, but I'm not so sure about the others. I think you can feel free to adjust it yourself. On the other wiki I work on, admins sometimes prefer paragraphs to be as short as 3 lines, something I really disagree with them about, so I'm a bit confused over how long paragraphs should be here. Sol PacificusFirestorm 01:30, August 14, 2017 (UTC)
I would note that Uksaris had discussed mentioned the work to a least one person, namely his friend.--Exiled Jedi (talk) 21:54, August 12, 2017 (UTC)- Done. I only added it to the body because I don't think it's significant enough of a detail to include in the introduction. Sol PacificusFirestorm 01:30, August 14, 2017 (UTC)
Couple things…
Overall, some of the subjects in the article need describing, such as to what ecactly is the Exchange, the Lower of City of what or where, who Bastila and Carth were, etc.- Done. Always a good point, as this is my major gripe with Wikipedian articles :P. However, I thought "Lower City" was a bit self-explanatory, as the "lower levels" of Taris, unless you wanted it to be described as crime-infested. I don't think district is necessarily accurate since it spanned the entire city but a plane lower. I did add "of Taris" though.
Always link subjects at their first mention in the article body. Also, as I stated in the nomination page for Ice, there is no need to link subjects in quotations.- Should be taken care of now. Sol PacificusFirestorm 19:51, February 17, 2017 (UTC)
- If you have any questions, feel free to ask me.—Jedi Kasra ("Indeed.") 16:56, February 17, 2017 (UTC)
The CP
Nice job, but I would like to see a bit more to the intro, such as the fact that the guy had it in a datapad in his apartment. Corellian PremierThe Force will be with you always 19:51, April 30, 2017 (UTC)
- I also agree with CP's point. You should mention in the intro how Revan was connected to all this, just like on your Holdan and Ice nominations. Imperators II(Talk) 10:59, May 1, 2017 (UTC)
- Done. I'm still a little confused about this because information like that is part of game mechanics not confirmed 100% canon. Sol PacificusFirestorm 17:58, May 9, 2017 (UTC)
Imperators II
Having the same image illustrating several different subjects is fine, but maybe you could add a comment to the infobox title that it's a datapad containing the draft.Jedi Civil War and the destruction of Taris are intro-exclusive.- Would you prefer that the Jedi Civil War be added in the "Description" or the "History" section? The latter seems the most obvious, however, the only reason why it's in the intro in the first place was as context for the Twisted Rancor Trio, which in the body, appears in the "Description". When I was writing this, I didn't think the war is relevant to the book itself (though relevant to the band), or does it not really matter? Sol PacificusFirestorm 11:56, May 1, 2017 (UTC)
- Done. Sol PacificusFirestorm 17:58, May 9, 2017 (UTC)
Is "guts and glory" the book's theme or rather its title?- It's both. I thought mentioning that Uksaris poses it as the theme that inspires the title, or references to it directly is an important detail about the book. Sol PacificusFirestorm 11:56, May 1, 2017 (UTC)
Uksaris's opinion on Kang is a fine example on the book's subjective perspective, but I think that an even better example is Uksaris's referring to his idea to replace Elinda with Ashana as a "brilliant plan" despite his friend's warning and the fact that Uksaris himself admitted it was a risk. Maybe add it as well?- Done. Sol PacificusFirestorm 17:58, May 9, 2017 (UTC)
It seems to me Uksaris's friend merits an article.- Done. Sol PacificusFirestorm 19:03, May 9, 2017 (UTC)
"In the same vein, since it ended with Ashana's recruitment as the replacement for Elinda on the eve of the band's scheduled performance for Davik Kang, it is not known whether his plan was a success or failure." - I'm afraid this sentence doesn't really have anything to do with the book and would better be at home on the band's article.- I think that there isn't any real harm in including the sentence even if its connection to the memoir is tangential because it helps clarify the consequence of where the memoir happens to leave off: that it leaves the fate of the band unknown because this is our only source on them. I modified the sentence to clarify the relevance of the sentence. Sol PacificusFirestorm 17:58, May 9, 2017 (UTC)
I believe the proper name of the band should be "The Twisted Rancor Trio".- Great catch. Fixed. Sol PacificusFirestorm 17:58, May 9, 2017 (UTC)
The first section (I've changed it to Description per the precedent of our other IU written work GAs) needs a bit of rearranging. It seems that the sequence of events was something like this: 1) Elinda refused to participate, 2) then there were some doubts about the band's future, and 3) Ashana was recruited (by Uksaris - this also needs to be noted). Your writing should reflect this sequence more accurately. Dealing with this issue should also help clarify the "the conflict that ensued" bit that you mention without any prior context.- I'm not really sure about this. From what I see, it's not really that the sequence of the events are off so much as I summarized the entire sequence in one sentence, that is, I noted that Ashana replaced Elinda and why. I think part of the confusion might be the fact I went with a restrained plot summary, owing to my own confusion over the proper manual of style for articles on books, so I summarized that whole sequence rather than going through each and every detail in precise chronological order. I'm also doubtful that the "the conflict that ensued" needs context since it is referring directly to (or was intended to refer directly to) the clause that immediately follows: "as the narrative ended with Ashana replacing her sister Elinda as lead singer on the eve of the scheduled performance when the latter refused to accept the invitation for fear of Kang's association with the Exchange, a powerful crime syndicate". Sol PacificusFirestorm 11:56, May 1, 2017 (UTC)
- If I'm reading the sentence correctly, the word "as" in "as the narrative ended" is used as a conjunction with the meaning "for the reason that; because". So the sentence as is basically reads "... the invitation and the conflict ... were recent developments, because the narrative ended with Ashana replacing Elinda ...". But it should be the other way around, "... the narrative ended with Ashana replacing Elinda ..., because ... the invitation and the conflict ... were recent developments". Imperators II(Talk) 09:27, May 10, 2017 (UTC)
- As I was correcting the sentence, I realized that I must've written it that way originally to account for the fact that we can't simply say that this was where the narrative ended because Gilthos, for all we know, continued writing it later (albeit on a different datapad if he had it backed up somewhere). That is to say, this is where the narrative ended when Revan found it, not necessarily where it ended in its final draft. Somehow, accommodating this led to the phrasing as it was. Here's an example of how unwieldy I found it: "The draft of the narrative as the amnesiac Dark Lord of the Sith Revan found it ended with Ashana replacing her sister Elinda as lead singer on the eve of the scheduled performance when the latter refused to accept the invitation for fear of Kang's association with the Exchange, a powerful crime syndicate because these were the latest developments at the time Revan recovered it." In my correction, I just omitted the mention that these were the latest developments when Revan found a draft of it altogether. It's probably also because putting the "because these were recent developments" at the end causes confusion, making it sound as though it intends to refer to Elinda's refusal to accept the invitation instead, not the fact that the narrative ended where it did when Revan found it. In any case, I have corrected it, or tried to. Sol PacificusFirestorm 09:19, May 21, 2017 (UTC)
- If I'm reading the sentence correctly, the word "as" in "as the narrative ended" is used as a conjunction with the meaning "for the reason that; because". So the sentence as is basically reads "... the invitation and the conflict ... were recent developments, because the narrative ended with Ashana replacing Elinda ...". But it should be the other way around, "... the narrative ended with Ashana replacing Elinda ..., because ... the invitation and the conflict ... were recent developments". Imperators II(Talk) 09:27, May 10, 2017 (UTC)
- I'm not really sure about this. From what I see, it's not really that the sequence of the events are off so much as I summarized the entire sequence in one sentence, that is, I noted that Ashana replaced Elinda and why. I think part of the confusion might be the fact I went with a restrained plot summary, owing to my own confusion over the proper manual of style for articles on books, so I summarized that whole sequence rather than going through each and every detail in precise chronological order. I'm also doubtful that the "the conflict that ensued" needs context since it is referring directly to (or was intended to refer directly to) the clause that immediately follows: "as the narrative ended with Ashana replacing her sister Elinda as lead singer on the eve of the scheduled performance when the latter refused to accept the invitation for fear of Kang's association with the Exchange, a powerful crime syndicate". Sol PacificusFirestorm 11:56, May 1, 2017 (UTC)
Toprawa
Is this reward a potential reward that they hope might come of their performance, or is this something that Kang had promised to them? "Nevertheless, Uksaris was adamant that the reward—for Kang to sign them onto a major touring contract—outweighed these risks."- I have always thought that the text itself is ambiguous as to whether Kang had promised it to them or whether Uksaris had just expected it or wanted to negotiate it. As I was writing it, though, I worded it as such in regards to flow and also in the interest of trying to keep the wording more concise, but you're right that it needs some clarity. I'm not sure if my modification to "an expected reward" (esp. as opposed to "the reward") is sufficient though. Sol PacificusFirestorm 18:54, August 29, 2017 (UTC)
- It reads strangely. It might be best just to say "the potential reward". Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 21:00, August 29, 2017 (UTC)
- Changed accordingly. Sol PacificusFirestorm 21:54, August 29, 2017 (UTC)
- It reads strangely. It might be best just to say "the potential reward". Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 21:00, August 29, 2017 (UTC)
- I have always thought that the text itself is ambiguous as to whether Kang had promised it to them or whether Uksaris had just expected it or wanted to negotiate it. As I was writing it, though, I worded it as such in regards to flow and also in the interest of trying to keep the wording more concise, but you're right that it needs some clarity. I'm not sure if my modification to "an expected reward" (esp. as opposed to "the reward") is sufficient though. Sol PacificusFirestorm 18:54, August 29, 2017 (UTC)
In the game-completion section, I revised the text to say, as I presumed, that the friend mentioned there is the same friend mentioned and linked earlier. If this is incorrect, please revise.- That is correct. Good job for catching it. Sol PacificusFirestorm 18:54, August 29, 2017 (UTC)
- I'm actually confused on another part now. Is this Uksaris's apartment that they're going through? It seems so if the crate that's in the apartment was delivered by Uksaris's friend. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 21:00, August 29, 2017 (UTC)
- In all likelihood it probably is Uksaris's apartment. However, I refrained from mentioning it because it is never explicitly stated as such in the source material. Sol PacificusFirestorm 21:54, August 29, 2017 (UTC)
- I thought that while unlikely, it's not impossible for it to have been someone else's apartment (or maybe another band member), which Uksaris just happened to be staying over at for a night or two (hence why his datapad was left there), and at the same time, he thought it was more convenient for the package to be delivered there for some reason. Sounds maybe a little convoluted, but I was trying to be open-minded. Sol PacificusFirestorm 21:59, August 29, 2017 (UTC)
- Fair enough. I reworked those two paragraphs to remove some redundancy (both paragraphs were establishing the setting of Revan exploring the apartment) and unnecessary context (there's no real point to mentioning Revan's companions, who have nothing specifically to do with the Guts and Glory draft). Please check to see if {{Clear}} is still necessary in Monobook and remove if not. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 22:17, August 29, 2017 (UTC)
- I'm actually confused on another part now. Is this Uksaris's apartment that they're going through? It seems so if the crate that's in the apartment was delivered by Uksaris's friend. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 21:00, August 29, 2017 (UTC)
- That is correct. Good job for catching it. Sol PacificusFirestorm 18:54, August 29, 2017 (UTC)
There's plenty of room in the article for an image. I assume the best one to use is that of the band from the Twister Rancor Trio article. I'd put it in myself, but I'm not sure which section it would go best in. I leave that to you.Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 04:55, August 24, 2017 (UTC)- Done. Was a little unsure of the best caption though. Sol PacificusFirestorm 18:54, August 29, 2017 (UTC)
Comments
Approved as a Good article by AgriCorps 01:32, August 30, 2017 (UTC)
- Falls under WP:KOTOR.—Jedi Kasra ("Indeed.") 15:04, January 27, 2017 (UTC)
- It does, are you just making a note of it or is there something more you mean by it in extension? Should I be joining the WikiProject? Sol PacificusFirestorm 15:32, January 27, 2017 (UTC)
- Merely making a note. I was, and probably still am, I don't remember, the project lead. I'm back on the site... and will review this article soon.—Jedi Kasra ("Indeed.") 18:12, February 16, 2017 (UTC)
- It does, are you just making a note of it or is there something more you mean by it in extension? Should I be joining the WikiProject? Sol PacificusFirestorm 15:32, January 27, 2017 (UTC)
- For your consideration: it seems that {{Excerpt}} is sometimes used to present the whole text of IU sources, for example, on the articles for Order 4, Order 5, Order 65, Ballad of Cham Syndulla, Bodo Baas's Master. Imperators II(Talk) 09:27, May 10, 2017 (UTC)
- Hm, moving the image of the holograms of the band in the History section from where I put it causes it to awkwardly butt into the Endgame template in the Monobook skin. According to the edit summary, this was so it looks better in the Oasis skin though? I'm not sure how to fix this though. Over at Assassin's Creed Wiki, we have a template that we use to solve this. Sol PacificusFirestorm 19:01, August 29, 2017 (UTC)
- And now so do we. :P But yeah, since the vast majority of Wook's readers use Oasis skin, we have to cater to the lowest common denominator. :P Imperators II(Talk) 19:19, August 29, 2017 (UTC)
- We actually have a template at {{Clear}}. Imperators II(Talk) 19:23, August 29, 2017 (UTC)
- And now so do we. :P But yeah, since the vast majority of Wook's readers use Oasis skin, we have to cater to the lowest common denominator. :P Imperators II(Talk) 19:19, August 29, 2017 (UTC)
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Skull Squadron
(1 ACs/4 Users/5 Total)
Support
- Cevan (talk) 00:03, October 27, 2016 (UTC)
- Awesome stuff --Lewisr (talk) 02:50, October 29, 2016 (UTC)
- <-Omicron(Leave a message at the BEEP!) 02:53, October 29, 2016 (UTC)
- Imperators II(Talk) 17:14, October 29, 2016 (UTC)
- Ayrehead02 (talk) 11:16, December 4, 2016 (UTC)
Object
Imperators II
The chronology note has to be reworded, since only a part of the events described in the article, not all of them, take place in the third year BBY.Imperators II(Talk) 08:11, October 29, 2016 (UTC)
Ecks Dee
Not familiar with the source material, so... no applicable quotes for the Organization section?The parenthetical with CT-1157's nickname only serves to break up the flow of the text. There's no need to establish his nickname since he's not even mentioned later in the article.1358 (Talk) 13:26, May 10, 2017 (UTC)
AV
- According to Star Wars: The Visual Encyclopedia, Skull Squadron was still active under the Empire. The article will have to be updated with info from "The Protector of Concord Dawn" and "Imperial Supercommandos". - AV-6R7Crew Pit 15:11, May 10, 2017 (UTC)
Comments
Vote to remove nomination (AC only)
- Unaddressed objection: it's been three weeks since Cwedin left his reply to AV's objection saying he'll address it, and a week now since an Inuse tag was put up. I also left Cwedin a heads-up message on his talk page. Imperators II(Talk) 17:17, May 31, 2017 (UTC)
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Kaplan (colonel)
- Nominated by: Ayrehead02 (talk) 12:02, November 5, 2016 (UTC)
- Nomination comments: To be honest I'm pretty certain this guy died, but with Star Wars you can never be sure.
(3 ACs/4 Users/7 Total)
Support
- Nah, let him come back as a cyborg arch-nemesis in Episode VIII. Imperators II(Talk) 20:43, November 16, 2016 (UTC)
- Cevan (talk) 03:06, December 4, 2016 (UTC)
- Supreme Emperor (talk) 06:21, December 13, 2016 (UTC)
- grunny@wookieepedia:~$ 15:28, February 10, 2017 (UTC)
- <-Omicron(Leave a message at the BEEP!) 15:44, February 10, 2017 (UTC)
- —Jedi Kasra ("Indeed.") 12:48, February 27, 2017 (UTC)
- 1358 (Talk) 13:53, May 11, 2017 (UTC)
Object
Imperators II
Please pay attention to details. The BTS quote is missing some punctuation.- Ah good catch, fixed. Ayrehead02 (talk) 13:16, November 5, 2016 (UTC)
Why is the name of Bay 2 inconsistent between the lead quote and the article's body?Imperators II(Talk) 12:53, November 5, 2016 (UTC)- Ah I was getting confused between the formatting from different sources. Ayrehead02 (talk) 13:16, November 5, 2016 (UTC)
I created some nice redlinks for you to fill.- I'm fairly certain we've always treated ship's hangars on anything smaller than a space station as something that is just included in the ship's article, but I've gone ahead and made both anyway since there isn't any clear rule. Ayrehead02 (talk) 20:05, November 16, 2016 (UTC)
- Can you give me any examples where such uniquely-named locations don't have their own articles? I easily found some examples to the contrary so it's definitely not "always": Bay Alpha Two, Bay One.
- I'm fairly certain we've always treated ship's hangars on anything smaller than a space station as something that is just included in the ship's article, but I've gone ahead and made both anyway since there isn't any clear rule. Ayrehead02 (talk) 20:05, November 16, 2016 (UTC)
Can any of these actually be sourced to the film - Kaplan's rank, Lor San Tekka's name and occupation, Hux's first name?- The names can be sourced to the credits except Armitage, I have a feeling the occupation can too but I've referenced the dictionary just to be safe. Ayrehead02 (talk) 20:05, November 16, 2016 (UTC)
- Ah, didn't check the credits.
- The names can be sourced to the credits except Armitage, I have a feeling the occupation can too but I've referenced the dictionary just to be safe. Ayrehead02 (talk) 20:05, November 16, 2016 (UTC)
Have you given a thought to adding the bit about Kaplan's reaction to the escape attempt from the novelization?- His reaction is just to stop and look at the ship before delivering his line. I can include the opinions given as narration as his though I guess? I hadn't thought to since the section doesn't exactly seem to be from his point of view. Ayrehead02 (talk) 20:05, November 16, 2016 (UTC)
- You know, I agree with you; it's too ambiguous, better leave it out.
- His reaction is just to stop and look at the ship before delivering his line. I can include the opinions given as narration as his though I guess? I hadn't thought to since the section doesn't exactly seem to be from his point of view. Ayrehead02 (talk) 20:05, November 16, 2016 (UTC)
It seems to me (and is stated by the intro) that there was an explosion in the control room, not just windows shattering, as is stated in the body.- I feel the word blast covered this, but added explosion to be more specific. Ayrehead02 (talk) 20:05, November 16, 2016 (UTC)
The intro and the body slightly differ in their description of what happens to Thanisson during the explosion. The former states that he is thrown to the floor, while the body mentions him being thrown away from his seat. I think the latter wording is more accurate, since it's hard to track Thanisson after his console blows up.Imperators II(Talk) 19:25, November 16, 2016 (UTC)- Reworded. Ayrehead02 (talk) 20:05, November 16, 2016 (UTC)
SE
One small thing, in the body you initially say the TIE was attached to a support cable, but later refer to it as a fuel line. Can you clarify what the proper term would be?Supreme Emperor (talk) 03:19, December 4, 2016 (UTC)- It's called different things in different sources but I've changed alll mentions to support cabling per the novel. Ayrehead02 (talk) 10:40, December 4, 2016 (UTC)
Ecks Dee
"The fighter then successfully escaped but crashed on Jakku." I would not call crashing on Jakku a successful escape. I'd mention the sustained damage in the intro as well, something like "The TIE fighter sustained damage during its escape and was forced to crash-land on Jakku".- Done. Ayrehead02 (talk) 14:17, May 10, 2017 (UTC)
Any reason the first body image is only 200px wide? While there's no policy on this, 250px is usually the standard unless the image is taller than it is wide, which is not the case here. I recommend resizing the image.- I quite often make images only 200px so they don't cut into the text as much, but I'm happy to make it 250px if others have preference. Ayrehead02 (talk) 14:17, May 10, 2017 (UTC)
"Kaplan was a human male who served in the military organization known as the First Order during their conflict with the Resistance, an offshoot of the New Republic." The First Order cannot be considered solely a military organization; it has political goals too. Reword this and try to find a place to link First Order military in the body as well.- I hate trying to give context for the First Order, I've added political is that good enough? Ayrehead02 (talk) 14:17, May 10, 2017 (UTC)
- Something like "Served in the [[First Order military|military arm]] of the [[First Order]] during their conflict...", as I suppose he was technically part of the military branch, not the political branch.
- Done as per your recommendation. Ayrehead02 (talk) 14:56, May 10, 2017 (UTC)
- Something like "Served in the [[First Order military|military arm]] of the [[First Order]] during their conflict...", as I suppose he was technically part of the military branch, not the political branch.
- I hate trying to give context for the First Order, I've added political is that good enough? Ayrehead02 (talk) 14:17, May 10, 2017 (UTC)
"Once Dameron managed to disconnect the support cabling, the fighter successfully escaped from the Finalizer and headed for Jakku, but was shot down en route and crashed on the planet's surface." Probably worth including here that the Finalizer itself was responsible for the shoot-down.1358 (Talk) 13:44, May 10, 2017 (UTC)- Done. Ayrehead02 (talk) 14:17, May 10, 2017 (UTC)
Comments
Approved as a Good article by AgriCorps 13:53, May 11, 2017 (UTC)
- Correct me if I'm wrong, but I changed "bay two" to "Bay Two" (since that's how the novelization spells it) and added "and" to Kaplan's line, since it is (however weakly) audible. Imperators II(Talk) 19:25, November 16, 2016 (UTC)
- I was going off the subtitles, but the novel should be fine since it's more consistent with the formatting elsewhere. Ayrehead02 (talk) 20:05, November 16, 2016 (UTC)
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B1 grapple droid
- Nominated by: Cwedin(talk) 22:45, November 12, 2016 (UTC)
- Nomination comments: A CAN that got too long.
(3 ACs/4 Users/7 Total)
Support
- Cevan (talk) 01:18, November 13, 2016 (UTC)
- --Lewisr (talk) 13:05, November 13, 2016 (UTC)
- Ayrehead02 (talk) 11:19, December 4, 2016 (UTC)
- I switched up the order of BTS since in this case it's more important to lead off with the more relevant Galactic Defense rather than previous Legends appearances. Imperators II(Talk) 14:09, December 20, 2016 (UTC)
- Nice job. :) Sol PacificusFirestorm 07:52, April 27, 2017 (UTC)
- Terribly sorry for the delay. Good work. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 19:03, August 10, 2017 (UTC)
- 1358 (Talk) 20:34, August 10, 2017 (UTC)
Object
Cevan
Couldn't the B1 grapple droid's name be sourced to Galactic Defense as opposed to the launch trailer? Both the game and trailer were released on the same day, and I would imagine the actual game should take precedence.Cevan (talk) 00:56, November 13, 2016 (UTC)
Toprawa
Referencing issues: If a subject doesn't appear in a given source, that source should never be used as an outright reference for specific information pertaining to the subject. For example, the majority of this article is referenced to the Character Encyclopedia, but the B1 grapple droid is never even mentioned in that book! Let's take the first infobox field, for example. The reference used to cite the droid's creator suggests that I could literally open up the Character Encyclopedia and find a passage that says, to paraphrase, "The Geonosians manufactured the B1 grapple droid," when this is simply not the case. You're extrapolating this information from some indirect information provided in that source, which is fine, but that rationale needs to be explained in a manual reference note so the reader knows how you're arriving at this information. The same goes for Ultimate Star Wars and any other source being referenced in this manner. It may be necessary to use multiple manual reference notes for each source.Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 13:17, April 25, 2017 (UTC)- Done. - Cwedin(talk) 23:40, April 25, 2017 (UTC)
- Good job. I made a minor wording revision to them. Please make sure everything looks accurate. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 19:03, August 10, 2017 (UTC)
- Done. - Cwedin(talk) 23:40, April 25, 2017 (UTC)
Sol Pacificus
Even in the absence of an official policy, I don't see any reason why articles shouldn't be consistent with introducing in either the subject in the singular or plural form. Maybe it's just because I come from a wiki where this is a frequent issue, but I find this to be particularly glaring for this article. Could you change it to the singular to conform with most other articles (including the immediate B1 grapple droid/Legends, B1-series battle droid, and B2 grapple droid).Sol PacificusFirestorm 04:39, April 27, 2017 (UTC)
Ecks Dee
In the article for B2 grapple droid, it's indicated that the B2s were a successor to the B1. Now I don't have the source material but if this is true, it's probably worth mentioning in this artice as well.1358 (Talk) 20:25, August 9, 2017 (UTC)- In the game, the B1 droids could be updated to B2s, but there was no written info about their relationship. I'm not sure how much of that can be taken as IU content vs game mechanics, so I believe it's speculative to say the B2s succeeded the B1s. The BTS section currently mentions the upgrade mechanics, and I think that's enough. - Cwedin(talk) 03:49, August 10, 2017 (UTC)
Comments
Approved as a Good article by AgriCorps 20:34, August 10, 2017 (UTC)
- Is there any rule that the subject should be introduced in the singular? Sol PacificusFirestorm 02:49, April 25, 2017 (UTC)
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Attack on Korriban
- Nominated by: --Jace Onasi (talk) 09:30, November 29, 2016 (UTC)
- Nomination comments:My first nomination, so I humbly beg for your mercy.
(0 ACs/1 Users/1 Total)
Support
Object
Cwedin
- Welcome to the world of nominating! Great job on the article! Just a couple things:
- The infobox should have an event in its "previous" field.
The infobox includes details not present in the article (droids, starfighters, etc.). These should be added in.The BTS section should be sourced.
- I'll continue once these are addressed. - Cwedin(talk) 21:24, February 10, 2017 (UTC)
- Finally, a comment! I've done the last two points, but the problem with adding a preceding battle is that the Invasion of Ziost, the closest known predecessor, could of occurred concurrently with the Attack on Korriban, however unlikely. To my knowledge, there is nothing in the game which indicates the chronology of these two.--Jace Onasi (talk) 10:09, February 12, 2017 (UTC)
Oh, ok. I think that for the article's sake we can just list the Invasion as being prior.
- Finally, a comment! I've done the last two points, but the problem with adding a preceding battle is that the Invasion of Ziost, the closest known predecessor, could of occurred concurrently with the Attack on Korriban, however unlikely. To my knowledge, there is nothing in the game which indicates the chronology of these two.--Jace Onasi (talk) 10:09, February 12, 2017 (UTC)
- And I think that'll be it, actually. Nice work! - Cwedin(talk) 13:15, February 12, 2017 (UTC)
- I've added the Invasion of Ziost to the preceding box.--Jace Onasi (talk) 09:41, February 17, 2017 (UTC)
Fred strikes back
- As a rule of thumb, we use numerical notations in the infobox as opposed to spelling out numbers. The point of an infobox is for quick reference, and numbers are easier to read than words.
- If the article is titled "Attack on Korriban," than the section should be titled "The attack," not "The incursion."
- The name of this battle is conjectural, so we can't use "Attack on Korriban" as a proper noun.
- I fixed a few linking issues for you. See the article history for that. MasterFred(Whatever) 18:37, April 25, 2017 (UTC)
Imperators II
- An impressive first nomination! The article has now grown over the 1000-word limit (and there are still things that need to be included in it), which means this nomination will now be archived so that you may take the article to the FAN page instead. Imperators II(Talk) 19:28, May 1, 2017 (UTC)
Comments
- I suppose it isn't stated anywhere in the game if the Invasion of Ziost occurred before or during the Attack on Korriban? There is a pretty small time frame between Ziost and chapter I of KOTFE, so it is possible that the two were concurrent.--Jace Onasi (talk) 09:30, November 29, 2016 (UTC)
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Z9
- Nominated by: Cevan (talk) 01:11, November 30, 2016 (UTC)
- Nomination comments: Decided to knock this guy out before I really get cracking on Gubacher.
(3 ACs/5 Users/8 Total)
Support
- Shayn Mikel (talk) 04:10, November 30, 2016 (UTC) The article is about as comprehensive as it gets for a single-episode background character.
- Great work! Nivlacanator(talk) 05:41, December 1, 2016 (UTC)
- Imperators II(Talk) 17:59, December 29, 2016 (UTC)
- MasterFred(Whatever) 01:44, May 1, 2017 (UTC)
- Corellian PremierThe Force will be with you always 15:56, May 1, 2017 (UTC)
- ProfessorTofty (talk) 18:20, May 22, 2017 (UTC)
- 1358 (Talk) 22:13, July 5, 2017 (UTC)
- Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 16:25, July 24, 2017 (UTC)
Object
Nivlacanator
I would identify D-Suad. Something like this: "efforts of D-Squad, a Republic squad of spy droids".Nivlacanator(talk) 05:52, November 30, 2016 (UTC)At the word "boarded", I would suggest making it a link to "Escape from Abafar."A word better than pelted might be better—battered, bombarded.Z9 should also be affiliated with the Republic Military, so that should be added to the infobox, etc.
Imperators II
You have some infobox-exclusive information.Imperators II(Talk) 20:48, December 20, 2016 (UTC)
Fred strikes back
Is the droid's top ever referred to as a "dome"? If not, I wouldn't refer to it as such. It's not really the correct shape for a dome.MasterFred(Whatever) 21:53, April 26, 2017 (UTC)- I've gone ahead and changed "dome" to "head," as it seems per Star Wars Builders: Droids they're referred to as "heads." Cevan (talk) 21:48, April 29, 2017 (UTC)
The CP
Hey Cevan, a couple things. Shouldn't the antenna and the computer probe-arm be spelled out in both the infobox and Characteristic sections?- Sorry, I'm not sure I understand what you mean. Cevan (talk) 20:54, April 30, 2017 (UTC)
- So, those two things are tools that he uses, right? I think they should be added to the article. :) Corellian PremierThe Force will be with you always 22:08, April 30, 2017 (UTC)
- Sorry, I'm not sure I understand what you mean. Cevan (talk) 20:54, April 30, 2017 (UTC)
Also the word "approach" is used twice in the last part of the characteristics. Please try to switch it up a bit.- Nice job otherwise. Corellian PremierThe Force will be with you always 20:06, April 30, 2017 (UTC)
Ecks Dee
Some preliminary objections before I look at the prose itself. The references for the droid's height are inadequate as is. Z9 is not mentioned in any of the Databank entries, so you'll need to include a note about how you reached the conclusion. Essentially the exact same objection as Toprawa's objection in the nomination above yours.I'd like to see the intro slightly expanded.As with your Unidentified false Jedi nomination, check your image caption punctuations.Ditto, this goes for the IMDb reference. It requires a backup link, which the template supports.IIRC there's a category for droids by programmed gender.1358 (Talk) 17:05, May 11, 2017 (UTC)"Z9 was aboard the space station Valor along with Tarkin shortly before the Republic strategy conference on board the station was set to begin." Two -boards in the same sentence. Please vary your usage; personally I'd swap the first one with "present on".The last sentence of the intro reads awkwardly, and I think the reason is the "while". Quoting the style guide of The Economist, "while" is best reserved for time-related usage. Please try to reword the sentence for better flow.Piggybacking my first objection, there's too many "aboards/on boards" in the body. Please vary.Emdashes should be kept to a minimum as they break the flow of the text. You have two emdash clauses in the same paragraph in the bio.To say someone "possesses" programming doesn't really sound proper.1358 (Talk) 21:24, June 5, 2017 (UTC)
Toprawa
Similar to my objection on your other nomination, the information regarding Industrial Automaton as Z9's manufacturer, and anything else from that source, requires a manual reference note, as Z9 is not mentioned within. You'll notice particularly the problem with sourcing such an explicit assertion as "Z9 was equipped with a repair arm" to a book that doesn't even mention the droid.- I've gone ahead and removed both bits of information sourced to that book. Cevan (talk) 13:13, July 22, 2017 (UTC)
- I agree with removing the repair arm bit, since we don't actually see that, but if that source states that R5 units are manufactured by IA, I think that's something you should keep in the article, since it's basic to every droid of that line. It's like giving the homeworld of Kamino for every clone. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 17:56, July 23, 2017 (UTC)
- It only states that R5-D4 is manufactured by IA. I'm sure Z9 was manufactured by them as well, but since the source does not say anything about all R5s being IA products I suppose it would be best to just leave that bit out, at least until we have more definitive confirmation? Cevan (talk) 16:19, July 24, 2017 (UTC)
- Yes, that's sound. If the information pertains only to R5-D4, it's best not to extrapolate and apply it to the entire R5 line without more explicit confirmation. If you're up to it, I'd suggest amending the R5 article as well to reflect this. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 16:25, July 24, 2017 (UTC)
- It only states that R5-D4 is manufactured by IA. I'm sure Z9 was manufactured by them as well, but since the source does not say anything about all R5s being IA products I suppose it would be best to just leave that bit out, at least until we have more definitive confirmation? Cevan (talk) 16:19, July 24, 2017 (UTC)
- I agree with removing the repair arm bit, since we don't actually see that, but if that source states that R5 units are manufactured by IA, I think that's something you should keep in the article, since it's basic to every droid of that line. It's like giving the homeworld of Kamino for every clone. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 17:56, July 23, 2017 (UTC)
- I've gone ahead and removed both bits of information sourced to that book. Cevan (talk) 13:13, July 22, 2017 (UTC)
For the TCW episode's air date, please refer to the Star Wars: The Clone Wars: Episode Guide as a primary source that contains this information, as opposed to the unreliable IMDb.Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 00:01, July 19, 2017 (UTC)
Comments
Approved as a Good article by AgriCorps 16:26, July 24, 2017 (UTC)
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Imperial Peace-Keeping Certificate
- Nominated by: AV-6R7Crew Pit 05:02, December 1, 2016 (UTC)
- Nomination comments: The long-awaited round two; original nomination can be found here.
(3 ACs/5 Users/8 Total)
Support
- Cevan (talk) 17:51, December 1, 2016 (UTC)
- <-Omicron(Leave a message at the BEEP!) 02:08, December 9, 2016 (UTC)
- Ayrehead02 (talk) 09:22, December 14, 2016 (UTC)
- Imperators II(Talk) 23:53, January 10, 2017 (UTC)
- --Lewisr (talk) 00:08, January 11, 2017 (UTC)
- —Jedi Kasra ("Indeed.") 15:29, February 20, 2017 (UTC)
- Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 16:12, July 27, 2017 (UTC)
- 1358 (Talk) 21:32, July 30, 2017 (UTC)
Object
Cevan
It may not be a bad idea to mention in the behind the scenes section that the certificate was first pictured in canon in Star Wars Rebels: Rebel Journal by Ezra Bridger.Cevan (talk) 15:57, December 1, 2016 (UTC)
Imperators II
Update needed.Imperators II(Talk) 23:29, January 7, 2017 (UTC)
Toprawa
We should be trying to use an infobox whenever possible. For this subject, I think you would be ok with using either Artifact or Device, but if you wanted to be Superman, you could create a brand-new template for documents or something.Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 20:44, April 27, 2017 (UTC)Is that really the best scan we can get for the infobox? It's clearly crooked.I'm curious why you write "at some posting agencies" in the Description. Was it not accepted at some agencies?- Some referencing notes: Always use an official publisher's product page to reference publication dates where possible. We have citation templates for most publishers. Only use Amazon in the instance a product page doesn't exist or otherwise doesn't provide a publication date. For this article, I've used the Disney Press website for Ezra's Gamble. The Studio Fun product page for Rebel Journal provides an October 7 pub. date rather than October 21, which I'm guessing is old data, so Amazon is an acceptable alternative here. When you do use the Amazon citation template, don't italicize the page name, even if it's a published title. Amazon doesn't italicize its page titles. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 00:54, July 21, 2017 (UTC)
Ecks Dee
Comments
Approved as a Good article by AgriCorps 21:32, July 30, 2017 (UTC)
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Cradossk
- Nominated by: Cwedin(talk) 10:06, December 1, 2016 (UTC)
- Nomination comments: Res Luk Ra'auf, indeed.
(3 ACs/4 Users/7 Total)
Support
- Would be nice if the image of Bossk didn't displace the personality and traits section, but alas. Cevan (talk) 22:14, December 1, 2016 (UTC)
- Ayrehead02 (talk) 09:31, December 15, 2016 (UTC)
- Imperators II(Talk) 18:45, December 22, 2016 (UTC)
- Yay for more canon status articles! MasterFred(Whatever) 04:29, June 3, 2017 (UTC)
- Good stuff! --Lewisr (talk) 18:49, June 3, 2017 (UTC)
- 1358 (Talk) 16:07, June 23, 2017 (UTC)
- Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 04:46, August 16, 2017 (UTC)
Object
Ayrehead
I think it's worth mentioning that Bossk was born on Trandosha.Ayrehead02 (talk) 09:17, December 14, 2016 (UTC)You'll need to include a separate reference for the 5 BBY date since Ezra's Gamble doesn't use that date anywhere.Ayrehead02 (talk) 09:17, December 14, 2016 (UTC)
Lewisr
In the behind the scenes section you say Craddosk first appeared in Ezra's Gamble but he was only mentioned. Would it not be best to change it to saying he was first mentioned and then later in the paragraph where you say he was pictured in Galactic Defense changing that to he first appeared and was identified as Craddosk?--Lewisr (talk) 02:21, June 3, 2017 (UTC)
Ecks Dee
"Cradossk was a Trandoshan male and the father of the bounty hunter Bossk. A seasoned warrior and respected bounty hunter,..." As you don't introduce Cradossk as a bounty hunter in the first sentence, the reader gets thrown off in the second sentence, thinking that you're referring to Bossk in the first clause of the second sentence. I recommend dropping Bossk's context here altogether.I don't think adding Ezra's species as context really provides any value to the reader. Context for the sake of context is pointless. (edit: referring to the intro here. The way it's used in the body is fine)1358 (Talk) 00:01, June 7, 2017 (UTC)"Like his father, Bossk became a bounty hunter, joining the Bounty Hunters' Guild" Is Cradossk's membership in the Guild also confirmed? The way it reads, it seems Cradossk is also a member. If that's the case, it's probably worth mentioning earlier in the article as well as in the infobox.1358 (Talk) 11:38, June 21, 2017 (UTC)
Toprawa
Do either of these two sources actually say explicitly that Cradossk is Bossk's father? Or are you just assuming the intended connection based on Legends?- No, I just inferred the connection. I could try contacting Ryder Windham if you think it's necessary.
- Well, right now the survival of this GAN is hanging entirely on your ability to get explicit confirmation that Cradossk is Bossk's father in Canon, because that's not something that you can currently support with the source material available. You can ask Ryder Windham what his authorial intention was, but I think anything he might say needs to be confirmed by Leland or Pablo, because he's not Story Group. Ultimately, their word is what you need to reference to support this claim. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 00:00, August 16, 2017 (UTC)
- I've added a Twitter reference from Leland. - Cwedin(talk) 03:37, August 16, 2017 (UTC)
- Choose your words a little more carefully next time you pose a question that will be referenced for eternity on Wookieepedia. Introducing your query as a "dumb question" doesn't exactly engender respect for this wiki's sourcing rules or the reviewer trying to make sure they're being followed. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 04:17, August 16, 2017 (UTC)
- I've added a Twitter reference from Leland. - Cwedin(talk) 03:37, August 16, 2017 (UTC)
- Well, right now the survival of this GAN is hanging entirely on your ability to get explicit confirmation that Cradossk is Bossk's father in Canon, because that's not something that you can currently support with the source material available. You can ask Ryder Windham what his authorial intention was, but I think anything he might say needs to be confirmed by Leland or Pablo, because he's not Story Group. Ultimately, their word is what you need to reference to support this claim. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 00:00, August 16, 2017 (UTC)
- No, I just inferred the connection. I could try contacting Ryder Windham if you think it's necessary.
I'm leaving this objection now rather than fixing it so you can hopefully remember this for future nominations. It's extremely repetitive and unnecessary, particularly in an article this short, to state species and sex in both the Bio and P/T. Just pick one or the other where you think it fits best and go with that.Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 20:43, August 14, 2017 (UTC)
Comments
Approved as a Good article by AgriCorps 04:46, August 16, 2017 (UTC)
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Unification Wars (Republic)
- Nominated by: Jace Onasi (talk) 06:33, December 22, 2016 (UTC)
- Nomination comments:This article has been severely mistreated, seen as how important it is, so I thought I'd make it a good article.
(0 ACs/1 Users/1 Total)
Support
- My reviewing muscles are very, very rusty, so I probably missed a lot. Gotta get back in the game. MasterFred(Whatever) 01:30, April 25, 2017 (UTC)
Object
Imperators II
Everything in the succession box must be sourced per WP:LG#Succession box.- The title and the date, as well. Imperators II(Talk) 18:03, December 29, 2016 (UTC)
- Fixed.--Jace Onasi (talk) 00:33, December 30, 2016 (UTC)
- The title and the date, as well. Imperators II(Talk) 18:03, December 29, 2016 (UTC)
I'm not seeing the need to mention the compilations in the BTS section, since they largely just reprinted the info present in the original source.Imperators II(Talk) 19:05, December 22, 2016 (UTC)- Fixed.--Jace Onasi (talk) 09:50, December 23, 2016 (UTC)
- Similarly to the date by which the Wars must have ended, you should also extrapolate the date after which they must have begun.
- ...and both it and the date that's currently present in the infobox should be incorporated in the article's body, as well.
- Ref 3 needs to explain why the Unification Wars must have occurred before the foundation of the Republic.
- If the Jedi Order was victorious in the war, that should be added to the outcome field of the infobox.
- I think the intro should be expanded even more. You should establish some of the Wars' background, i.e. some sense of the timeframe and/or mention the Infinite Empire. Zakrinand Minus should get a mention, and I believe even a mention of the fact that the Jedi joined the Republic afterwards would be good, too.
- "Millennia before the Unification Wars" - if The New Essential Chronology doesn't mention the Unification Wars, this bit can't be sourced directly to the book.
- Same goes for "Jedi joined with it shortly following the war".
- "The collapse of the Infinite Empire paved the way for other powers to follow" - to me, this makes it sound like other powers also collapsed following the fall of the Infinite Empire.
- Unless The New Essential Chronology states the Jedi joined the war from Ossus, the article shouldn't present it as such. Perhaps you can rephrase it?
- "played a role in the victory of the Jedi" - IMO this is worded too ambiguously, the CSWE entry says those historians believed the Bendu helped the Jedi.
- You should also include that those same historians believed the Bendu helped the Jedi achieve victory over "forces of evil".
- Isn't there a more appropriate image that depicts Jedi from a time closer to the Unification Wars? They didn't even have lightsabers back then... :)
- "From the chaos of war, several planets from the Core Worlds united" - as stated in the BTS, this isn't what The Essential Atlas says, so the "from the chaos of war" bit can't be sourced to that.
- The CSWE Bendu monk entry doesn't actually say that the Bendu symbol was "adopted as the official symbol of the Galactic Republic" or that it was "due to the Force-sensitive order's peaceful nature".
- The title should be "Unification Wars (Galactic Republic)".
- (not an objection) I've pipelinked the Order of Dai Bendu to "Bendu monks", since the provided source doesn't identify them by that name. Imperators II(Talk) 18:09, May 22, 2017 (UTC)
Fred strikes back
Could you flesh out the intro a little more? Maybe just one more sentence? I understand this is a pretty short article, but I feel a couple more details about the conflict should be added, such as the combating factions and the fact that it occurred after the collapse of the Infinite Empire. The current one-sentence intro doesn't really give the reader a good summary of the article.BTS needs to be referenced the same as the rest of the article.In the infobox, you claim the Order of Dai Bendu's involvement is speculated by a single historian, while the body states "historians." Please clarify if it's singular or plural.Zakrinand Minus should be added to the "Commanders" field in the infobox.- I'll do another review once these are addressed. MasterFred(Whatever) 22:29, March 17, 2017 (UTC)
- I expanded the intro with a mention of the Jedi, but I couldn't find a way to incorporate the Infinite Empire without it becoming too irrelevant for an introduction.
- Even just that one sentence helped a ton. Thanks.
- I don't know what you're referring to about the historians. They both look plural to me. Maybe I'm going blind?
- Seems I'm the one going blind... Apologies.
- Minus can't really be added to the infobox because we don't know what side he fought for. It would be speculation to put him on either side.--Jace Onasi (talk) 11:06, March 21, 2017 (UTC)
- I must've missed the comments below. It's a tricky situation since we want all relevant information in the infobox, but doing so here would require speculation. I suppose we should err on the side of accuracy as opposed to comprehensiveness in this case. MasterFred(Whatever) 23:10, April 17, 2017 (UTC)
- I expanded the intro with a mention of the Jedi, but I couldn't find a way to incorporate the Infinite Empire without it becoming too irrelevant for an introduction.
Comments
- I'm not sure what quotes, if any, would be suitable for this article. I've only managed to find ones for the prelude and aftermath, myself. I think it is fine without them, but if any of you can find any suitable quotes to fit the four sections of the article, I'll add them.--Jace Onasi (talk) 06:33, December 22, 2016 (UTC)
- I am pretty clueless as to what to do with Zakrinand Minus in the infobox. We don't know what side he fought for, I just presume not on the side of the Jedi, based on descriptions of Minus and the involvement of the Jedi in the wars. As it would be speculation to put him on either side, what am I to do about it?--Jace Onasi (talk) 00:38, December 30, 2016 (UTC)
- I'd just remove him from the infobox. Imperators II(Talk) 16:57, December 30, 2016 (UTC)
- I made a few changes. Check the article's history to see the reasoning behind them. MasterFred(Whatever) 22:29, March 17, 2017 (UTC)
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Veraslayn Kast
- Nominated by: Cevan (talk) 20:20, January 8, 2017 (UTC)
- Nomination comments: I shouldn't be going over the word count this time.
(3 ACs/4 Users/7 Total)
Support
- Lewisr (talk) 02:48, January 9, 2017 (UTC)
- Don't limit yourself. :P Imperators II(Talk) 12:25, January 9, 2017 (UTC)
- Are split articles meant to have NOTOC? Ayrehead02 (talk) 22:39, January 10, 2017 (UTC)
- —Jedi Kasra ("Indeed.") 12:36, February 20, 2017 (UTC)
- Be careful of using "which" when it should grammatically be "that." Other than that, good work. MasterFred(Whatever) 21:42, April 25, 2017 (UTC)
- Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 23:25, July 18, 2017 (UTC)
- 1358 (Talk) 21:34, July 30, 2017 (UTC)
Object
Ecks Dee
Can we establish some sort of timeline in the intro as well?1358 (Talk) 11:45, June 21, 2017 (UTC)I'm not convinced the civil war factions are necessary to mention in the intro, or if you insist, you need to tie it to the rest of the intro (i.e. the Death Watch - Shadow Collective relationship).1358 (Talk) 22:18, July 5, 2017 (UTC)
Toprawa
If the character does not appear in Galactic Atlas, then that source cannot be used outright as a reference for the character's 19 BBY death date. Doing so is tantamount to telling the reader that Galactic Atlas explicitly says that Veraslayn Kast died in 19 BBY, which it of course does not. Since you are extrapolating this conclusion from secondary pieces of information, you need to manually explain the rationale you used to reach this conclusion in a reference note so that the reader understands where this information is coming from.Rather than using Amazon, a secondary source, to reference the book's publication date, please refer to the Star Wars Propaganda article and employ its primary source, the publisher's website.Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 22:59, July 18, 2017 (UTC)
Comments
Approved as a Good article by AgriCorps 21:34, July 30, 2017 (UTC)
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Nightsister crystal ball
- Nominated by: Cevan (talk) 01:51, January 11, 2017 (UTC)
- Nomination comments: "Oo-de-lally! Oo-de-lally! Fortune tellers!"
(3 ACs/3 Users/6 Total)
Support
- Imperators II(Talk) 20:40, January 12, 2017 (UTC)
- Great to see more TCW stuff nominated, and Nightsister stuff to boot! - AV-6R7Crew Pit 03:53, January 15, 2017 (UTC)
- grunny@wookieepedia:~$ 15:42, February 10, 2017 (UTC)
- MasterFred(Whatever) 19:56, April 26, 2017 (UTC)
- Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 21:18, August 2, 2017 (UTC)
- 1358 (Talk) 15:30, August 6, 2017 (UTC)
Object
Imperators II
No quotes?Imperators II(Talk) 09:38, January 11, 2017 (UTC)Please expand the intro to mention the Ball's connection to Maul.The artifact's material can be specified in the infobox.Since you provide full dates for the Ball's later appearances, I'd like you to do the same for its original appearance(s).Same objections regarding linking in references as on your Phelbos CAN.Same objections regarding use of Cite web as on your Phelbos CAN.Also, there seem to be some formatting errors in refs 14 and 17.Imperators II(Talk) 14:56, January 12, 2017 (UTC)
AV-6R7
Star Wars: The Clone Wars The Complete Season Three calls this item "Mother Talzin's crystal ball," while Ultimate Star Wars calls it a "Nightsister crystal ball" (no caps). Both sources came out before the Databank entry, which, until recently, tended to capitalize the begin of every word in an entry's title. I'd suggest moving it to the former title. Besides that, there is really no new info in these sources.- AV-6R7Crew Pit 22:30, January 12, 2017 (UTC)Since the Nightsister crystal ball wasn't named in its first appearance, you'll have to notice where it was first ID'd in the Bts.- AV-6R7Crew Pit 00:36, January 13, 2017 (UTC)
Toprawa
- Reviewing note: The phrase "before or during" is a fairly common one to use when trying to narrow down a date, but it falls uncomfortably close to infringing upon our no-speculation policy. A good alternative way of wording that is to just say "by [date]," which is saying the exact same thing just without the "or" guesswork.
In the referencing for the TCW S3 home-video release, I'd like to see reference 5 denote what section of the disc that information comes from. Please see reference 13 in the Trandosha article for the model of what I'm looking for.Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 16:47, July 24, 2017 (UTC)- I've gone ahead and added that in, however the info comes from images pertaining to "Witches of the Mist" in the Archives section of the disc so it's a little different than the Trandosha reference—would that be the correct format, though? Cevan (talk) 20:47, July 27, 2017 (UTC)
- Yes, that's fine. I just added the full name of the Jedi Temple Archives. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 21:01, August 1, 2017 (UTC)
- I've gone ahead and added that in, however the info comes from images pertaining to "Witches of the Mist" in the Archives section of the disc so it's a little different than the Trandosha reference—would that be the correct format, though? Cevan (talk) 20:47, July 27, 2017 (UTC)
I rearranged the formatting in the Bio somewhat to create four paragraphs, which allows for neater subsectioning. This will also allow you to use another image in the first subsection; I'd suggest one of Mother Talzin manipulating the ball to locate Opress. I also moved the Maul quote into the second subsection. It'd be nice if you could find another one for the first subsection, though it won't be tragic if you can't, since I realize you used most of them earlier in the article.- Added the suggested image. Unfortunately there aren't really any other quotes having to do with the crystal ball. The only possibility would be a quote of Obi-Wan and Anakin asking Talzin for information on Opress, which I can add in if you'd like, although I feel it isn't as closely related to the crystal ball itself as opposed to the other quotes already in the article. Cevan (talk) 20:47, August 2, 2017 (UTC)
- I will defer to you whether you feel it should be added or not. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 21:18, August 2, 2017 (UTC)
- Added the suggested image. Unfortunately there aren't really any other quotes having to do with the crystal ball. The only possibility would be a quote of Obi-Wan and Anakin asking Talzin for information on Opress, which I can add in if you'd like, although I feel it isn't as closely related to the crystal ball itself as opposed to the other quotes already in the article. Cevan (talk) 20:47, August 2, 2017 (UTC)
In the second subsection, there isn't a specific article to link to for Dooku's ship? And no article for their little duel on the ship?Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 21:01, August 1, 2017 (UTC)- I'll go ahead and make a page for the dreadnought. As for the duel on the ship, at present that information is covered in the showdown at Toydaria article (the canon page for the event has yet to be expanded upon, however you can see it documented at length in the body of the Legends page). Cevan (talk) 20:47, August 2, 2017 (UTC)
- Ah, yes, I see now. The Showdown article is fine. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 21:18, August 2, 2017 (UTC)
- I'll go ahead and make a page for the dreadnought. As for the duel on the ship, at present that information is covered in the showdown at Toydaria article (the canon page for the event has yet to be expanded upon, however you can see it documented at length in the body of the Legends page). Cevan (talk) 20:47, August 2, 2017 (UTC)
Comments
Approved as a Good article by AgriCorps 15:30, August 6, 2017 (UTC)
- There are a couple things I didn't really include or give context to (Ventress and why the Nightsister lair is deserted) as the crystal ball itself already doesn't have a huge presence in the history section and I didn't want 90% of the article to just be giving context and information that may not have been entirely necessary, however if anyone feels that these should absolutely be included in the article I'll do my best to squeeze them in. Cevan (talk) 01:51, January 11, 2017 (UTC)
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BC-714 luxury transport
- Nominated by: Ghulavar Ø 19:30, January 18, 2017 (UTC)
- Nomination comments: As the first GAnom has been removed due to inactivity several years ago, here we go with the second.
(3 ACs/3 Users/6 Total)
Support
- Great work! - AV-6R7Crew Pit 15:31, January 19, 2017 (UTC)
- <-Omicron(Leave a message at the BEEP!) 02:30, January 25, 2017 (UTC)
- Nice job! Cevan (talk) 21:15, January 30, 2017 (UTC)
- I have to agree with the guys, nice work on this one. Imperators II(Talk) 12:11, June 8, 2017 (UTC)
- Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 22:46, August 19, 2017 (UTC)
- 1358 (Talk) 18:22, August 23, 2017 (UTC)
Object
AV-6R7
According to Repurposed Star Wars Technology - Back from the Drawing Board, Part 2 on StarWars.com (backup link), the B -724 didn't actually end up appearing in AotC. Can you verify at they did in fact appear?- AV-6R7Crew Pit 20:40, January 18, 2017 (UTC)- Good catch. As the Fact File (F: TEC1-2) states, San Hill didn't use a BC-714 for his travel to Geonosis but a Hardcell freighter that went down over E’Y-Akh desert due to a malfunctioning thruster. According to this and to the StarWars.com blog entry you're right: The BC-714 does not appear AotC. On the other hand, the IGBC databank entry states that the ship couldn't be seen in the film "clearly". I think, that's kind of contradictory. I added that to the BtS section and removed the obviously wrong information. Sorry for that. Ghulavar Ø
Could you put a 1stm tag in somewhere?- AV-6R7Crew Pit 22:07, January 18, 2017 (UTC)The old Databank entry for San Hill called this ship an InterGalactic Banking Clan ship; this should be mentioned in the intro and somewhere in the body, where it should be cited to the Databank entry.- AV-6R7Crew Pit 23:32, January 18, 2017 (UTC)The article I linked to earlier had concept art of this ship; perhap this piece can be found in full in the AotC art book. It would make a good addition to the Bts section.- AV-6R7Crew Pit 00:16, January 19, 2017 (UTC)The outdated info about Hill using a BC to go to Geonosis is still in the intro. This should be fixed, since he only used one as his personal starship.- AV-6R7Crew Pit 15:01, January 19, 2017 (UTC)
It's a Muun rocket, alright
If the ship was manufactured for and used by IGBC, why list Techno Union in the affiliation field of the infobox?The "travel to systems they had business dealings with" bit should also be mentioned somewhere in the article's body.Since The Clone Wars Campaign Guide only depicts one variant and doesn't even mention the other, how can you say they're identical in most aspects? That bit should be left out.I thought that when RPG stats list the complement of a starship, they describe what vessels, if any, the starship normally carries, or is supposed to carry, not whether it actually has any physical space available for carrying them. Can you reword this?- I went ahead and assumed these were addressed, as well.
The Databank entry doesn't actually identify the BC-714 by its alternate name.- Where's the mistake of the text?
Is there any reason why "Science Fiction" and "Twin-Ion" are capitalized in the BTS?Imperators II(Talk) 07:11, May 23, 2017 (UTC)- I'm From Germany. We Capitalize A Lot Of Words. ;D Done. Ghulavar Ø 21:16, May 30, 2017 (UTC)
- Hahah, that's a reasonable explanation. :D Imperators II(Talk) 06:16, May 31, 2017 (UTC)
- I'm From Germany. We Capitalize A Lot Of Words. ;D Done. Ghulavar Ø 21:16, May 30, 2017 (UTC)
Toprawa
In the infobox, certainly this ship is equipped with an engine? In which case it's customary to just say "Equipped" (pipelink it to the engine article) in that field and reference accordingly. The article body will also then need to mention its sublight engines.Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 23:34, July 20, 2017 (UTC)- Done, it's already mentioned in the body. Ghulavar Ø 16:19, July 30, 2017 (UTC)
- After reading the article body, the specific mention of twin ion engines is what we're looking for. That should be mentioned in the infobox, which I have done for you. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 23:58, August 11, 2017 (UTC)
- Done, it's already mentioned in the body. Ghulavar Ø 16:19, July 30, 2017 (UTC)
Similarly, the infobox's deflector shield field should specify something. I would suggest reflecting simply what the article body says and say "Heavy shielding." And the armament field should specify "None."Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 23:58, August 11, 2017 (UTC)I find the nomenclature used here strange. When referring to hyperdrive ratings, specifying the class in terms of numerals by saying "Class 1.0" or "a rating of 0.5," for example, is the most common format I'm aware of. I can't ever recall a source saying something like a "rating of one" or a "rating of six" to refer to a hyperdrive. I'm assuming this information in that book is just coming out of a standard RPG spec chart, which I'm also assuming just uses numerals as well -- in which case I would definitely suggest revising this wording to using the standard numeric system instead of spelling out "one" and "six": "...and an advanced hyperdrive, which had a rating of one, as well as a backup with a rating of six."- Reviewing note: After looking at the AOTC TCG card myself, I notice the correct reference is "InterGalactic Banking Clan Starship," not "InterGalactic Banking Clan ship." The latter (notice the capitalization, too) isn't used in any of the source material, AFAIK. I've revised the article accordingly. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 23:58, August 11, 2017 (UTC)
- I see that I'm mistaken, in that "InterGalactic Banking Clan ship" is mentioned in the San Hill DB entry infobox. I suppose you might as well present both names as alternatives, then. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 00:34, August 12, 2017 (UTC)
Comments
Approved as a Good article by AgriCorps 18:22, August 23, 2017 (UTC)
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Baird Kantoo
- "My God, what have I done?"
- ―Baird Kantoo, minutes after creating a handheld superweapon and destroying a moon because blasters weren't civilized enough for him. (Seriously, what was this guy thinking?)
(0 ACs/4 Users/4 Total)
Support
- Nice to see a Freemakers article nominated! Cevan (talk) 22:14, January 29, 2017 (UTC)
- JorrelFraajic 08:15, February 10, 2017 (UTC)
- —Jedi Kasra ("Indeed.") 12:34, February 20, 2017 (UTC)
- Great article! AnilSerifoglu (talk) 19:06, May 27, 2017 (UTC)
Object
Cevan
Are we certain that the planet Rowan destroyed the Kyber Saber on was Mustafar? I was under the impression it could be Sullust, since the Alliance Fleet comes out of hyperspace over it and The Freemaker Adventures are set between Episodes V and VI.Cevan (talk) 20:43, January 29, 2017 (UTC)
Imperators II
I'd like to see more precise referencing for the Legends stuff in the BTS. Ref 5 should use the {{TORcite}} template, while ref 6 should cite specific comic issue(s).Imperators II(Talk) 19:04, May 27, 2017 (UTC)
Comments
- After "The Pit and the Pinnacle," the article's crossed the 1,000 mark. On to FA! - Cwedin(talk) 03:30, August 22, 2017 (UTC)
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Unidentified false Jedi
- Nominated by: Cevan (talk) 20:55, February 4, 2017 (UTC)
- Nomination comments: Here's hoping we get to see this full story someday.
(2 ACs/5 Users/7 Total)
Support
- AnilSerifoglu (talk) 01:13, February 6, 2017 (UTC)
- Nice work; it can be difficult working with cut info. - AV-6R7Crew Pit 00:46, February 9, 2017 (UTC)
- —Jedi Kasra ("Indeed.") 15:32, February 20, 2017 (UTC)
- --Lewisr (talk) 15:32, February 20, 2017 (UTC)
- Sol PacificusFirestorm 21:00, April 12, 2017 (UTC)
- Two-sentence GAs, woo-hoo...! Seriously, nice work though. Imperators II(Talk) 05:56, May 30, 2017 (UTC)
- 1358 (Talk) 22:51, August 13, 2017 (UTC)
Object
AnilSerifoglu
You can briefly mention the flashback scene in The Gathering, which was a nod to this story as Filoni said during the panel.AnilSerifoglu (talk) 01:39, February 5, 2017 (UTC)
AV
IIRC, Dave Filoni talks about Latrans in The Complete S3s Zygerria featurette. Could you check that?- AV-6R7Crew Pit 01:16, February 6, 2017 (UTC)
Sol Pacificus
"Tano was no longer able to feel the Jedi as a whole through the Force, something she had been able to do since she was very young and credited with saving her life in her encounter with the false Jedi."
I actually found this sentence really hard to understand, especially coming from someone who is entirely unfamiliar with this character and the story. What is being credited? Ahsoka's ability to feel the Jedi through the Force? Her ability to sense the false Jedi? The false Jedi herself? I think the syntax might actually be a tiny bit off. Actually after reading it several more times, I think I understand it better; you mean to say that her ability to sense the Jedi had saved her life from this false Jedi, and this is perhaps the only reference to this character in the novel? I think it might help if you also clarified how feeling the Jedi as a whole through the Force helped save her life from this character or what it means to sense the Jedi as a whole, though I understand the information is probably very scarce. Anyways, is it possible for you to tweak this sentence a little bit to improve clarity?Sol PacificusFirestorm 08:02, April 4, 2017 (UTC)- Here's the full quote from the novel: "Even the sense of the Jedi as a whole was gone, and she'd been able to feel that since she was too small to articulate what it was that she felt. The feeling had saved her life once, when she was very young and a false Jedi came to Shili to enslave her."
- This is the only mention of the false Jedi in Ahsoka (or any canon material for that matter), and we unfortunately do not know how Ahsoka sensing the Jedi as a whole saved her life here—I imagine she was able to sense that the false Jedi was merely posing as a Jedi, but adding that into the article would be speculative. If you'd still like me to do so, I can try and see about clearing that passage up in the article as best I can. Cevan (talk) 20:46, April 7, 2017 (UTC)
- I think I fixed the sentence. However, it might make more sense to write it from the false Jedi's perspective. That is, to state that the false Jedi had threatened Ahsoka's life, but that Ahsoka's ability to sense the Jedi as a whole had saved her life. That might help the confusion, but then again it might not because rewording it like that make the "sensing Jedi as a whole" sound even weirder. What do you think? Sol PacificusFirestorm 06:25, April 8, 2017 (UTC)
- I've gone ahead and rewritten that part—how is it now? Cevan (talk) 19:25, April 11, 2017 (UTC)
- It's good. :) Sol PacificusFirestorm 21:00, April 12, 2017 (UTC)
- I've gone ahead and rewritten that part—how is it now? Cevan (talk) 19:25, April 11, 2017 (UTC)
- I think I fixed the sentence. However, it might make more sense to write it from the false Jedi's perspective. That is, to state that the false Jedi had threatened Ahsoka's life, but that Ahsoka's ability to sense the Jedi as a whole had saved her life. That might help the confusion, but then again it might not because rewording it like that make the "sensing Jedi as a whole" sound even weirder. What do you think? Sol PacificusFirestorm 06:25, April 8, 2017 (UTC)
- This is the only mention of the false Jedi in Ahsoka (or any canon material for that matter), and we unfortunately do not know how Ahsoka sensing the Jedi as a whole saved her life here—I imagine she was able to sense that the false Jedi was merely posing as a Jedi, but adding that into the article would be speculative. If you'd still like me to do so, I can try and see about clearing that passage up in the article as best I can. Cevan (talk) 20:46, April 7, 2017 (UTC)
Ecks Dee
Check your image caption punctuation. Only full sentences should have a full stop.1358 (Talk) 21:39, April 27, 2017 (UTC)According to the MoS, the bolded name in the intro should not contain links. You should instead link the subjects at the next possible opportunity.The Amazon and IMDb references both lack a backup link. Both templates should support adding them.Using {{1stm}} {{Imo}} in the Sources would be better than a custom text.1358 (Talk) 14:54, May 11, 2017 (UTC)Plo Koon finding Ahsoka and taking her to be trained is Canon, right? That's probably worth mentioning in the intro."however, the young Togruta's ability to sense the Jedi as a whole through the Force managed to save her." Who is "the Jedi" referring to here? Are we still talking about the impostor? This should be reworded for clarity.- "The Jedi" here just refers to all the Jedi in general. Here's the relevant passage from Ahsoka: "Even the sense of the Jedi as a whole was gone, and she'd been able to feel that since she was too small to articulate what it was that she felt. The feeling had saved her life once, when she was very young and a false Jedi came to Shili to enslave her." Do you think saying "Jedi Order" as opposed to just "Jedi" here give it greater clarity? Cevan (talk) 20:11, August 13, 2017 (UTC)
Just wondering: Is there really no source that places Ahsoka's birth in 36 BBY? Or is the math necessary? I'd expect a major character like her would have an established birth year but who knows.- On a side note, I made some minor rewording for better flow. See if it's okay with you. 1358 (Talk) 21:52, August 12, 2017 (UTC)
Imperators II
I'd like to see some indicator of the timeframe worked into the body, i.e., the false Jedi must've come to Shili at some point between the year of Tano's birth and the year of her joining the Order, right?So the link in ref 3 doesn't work."Filoni presumed that, due to the rarity of Force-sensitives in the galaxy, they would be highly sought after and some may attempt to kidnap them. The residents of Tano's town, having never met a Jedi before, would be none the wiser to Latrans's ruse." - could you reword this so that the IU parts are in past tense?Imperators II(Talk) 09:20, May 23, 2017 (UTC)
Toprawa
Preliminary question: Would we not be remiss in just naming this character Latrans? I haven't looked through any of the BTS source material other than what the BTS itself explains, but if Lucasfilm is intending for this character to be the same from Filoni's developments, it seems ok to me to just use the name. Am I missing something? Maybe you could even ask Pablo or Leland if they consider this character to be Latrans.Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 00:35, August 24, 2017 (UTC)- I had been under the impression that this sort of confirmation fell into the same category as the canonicity of the currently-unreleased The Clone Wars arcs, being that until the information is given in a firmly canon story it cannot be used in the bodies of canon articles. To me, it just seems a little strange to essentially pick and choose a piece of information from that Celebration panel to consider canon, while leaving the rest in the behind the scenes section. What do you think, though? Cevan (talk) 17:29, August 27, 2017 (UTC)
- I should say, firstly, that I'm not entirely sure what unreleased TCW arcs you're referring to. Can you link me to something? To answer the rest of your comment, maybe that raises a larger question: Are we meant to take what they say in that Celebration panel as canon? I'm not sure myself. I haven't really been following any of this stuff, so I pretty much rely on you guys who work with Canon to know what to do with it. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 17:46, August 27, 2017 (UTC)
- Here's a quote from CC7567 on the talk page for The Clone Wars Legacy: "The Clone Wars Legacy incorporates only stories that have been officially released in near-completed form, whether through the episodic story reels or adaptations into other mediums—in other words, only what is listed on the Legacy section of StarWars.com. Unreleased stories do not qualify. In regards to the quote from Pablo Hidalgo, the stories are only canon once they're released as stated previously." Cevan (talk) 18:09, August 27, 2017 (UTC)
- And can you link me to what Pablo Hidalgo quote he's referring to? Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 18:47, August 27, 2017 (UTC)
- I believe he's referring to Pablo's quote used at the top of that page, taken from The Clone Wars Legacy announcement video. I've been trying to see if I could find a more definite statement on Wookieepedia stating this position on how the unfinished content is being handled, but so far I've had no luck. Cevan (talk) 19:11, August 27, 2017 (UTC)
- That fact that there doesn't appear to be anything at all really to support what CC is saying is what's making me skeptical. In fact, I would say Pablo's quote at the top of the article is suggesting the exact opposite. It's probably not coincidental that this is the only sentence in that entire article that isn't referenced to anything: "Although scripts for these stories exist, they're not canon unless an official release is made, even if other media refers to these events." I think maybe the best thing to do is try asking Pablo or Leland if they consider canon a) the thirteen unfinished story arcs, b) the name Latrans for this character, and c) the developmental background history of this article's character explained at that Celebration panel, as documented in this article's BTS. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 20:37, August 27, 2017 (UTC)
- I can try if you'd like, although I doubt Pablo or Leland (particularly Pablo) will respond as I don't believe they're too keen on "is this canon?" questions. In my opinion, it may not be a bad idea to open up a Senate Hall thread discussing this, as this concerns far more than just the unidentified false Jedi article. Cevan (talk) 14:49, September 7, 2017 (UTC)
- You should definitely try and ask Pablo or Leland -- not for my liking, but to save your nomination. Because it doesn't really matter what the outcome of the SH thread is, the Wookieepedia community doesn't determine canonicity. We have a fairly major issue here lying at our feet in the unresolved canon status of deleted scenes (both from the films and TCW) and unreleased content from TCW, all of which, correct me if I'm wrong, the Story Group has given little indication about. Either way, we need to get some kind of official ruling on this. But if you're going to ask one or both of them, frame your question specifically for the purpose of this article subject, namely Latrans and Filoni's background development, as we discussed above. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 16:53, September 7, 2017 (UTC)
- It's been a week since I last replied to this objection with no response, so I wanted to see where you stand on its progress. Keep in mind that this nomination will be subject to removal one week from now if no response is made. If you are unable to resolve this objection, removing the nomination until you can might be the best course of action. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 17:52, September 14, 2017 (UTC)
- Sorry Tope, been grappling with Irma and its aftermath. I've gone ahead and reached out via Twitter and am currently awaiting a reply. Cevan (talk) 16:57, September 15, 2017 (UTC)
- And here is Pablo's reply. He says: "I'd rather give Dave the opportunity to more fully tell the story rather than hold him to something discussed in a behind-the-scenes context." In that case, I suppose I should just leave things as they are now? Cevan (talk) 17:09, September 15, 2017 (UTC)
- The BTS content should stay where it is, but I'm still wondering if Leland has this character listed as "Latrans" in the Holocron. Pablo didn't exactly dismiss that possibility. I definitely think you should follow up with this and ask that question, but I won't hold this nomination up over it. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 18:56, September 28, 2017 (UTC)
- And here is Pablo's reply. He says: "I'd rather give Dave the opportunity to more fully tell the story rather than hold him to something discussed in a behind-the-scenes context." In that case, I suppose I should just leave things as they are now? Cevan (talk) 17:09, September 15, 2017 (UTC)
- Sorry Tope, been grappling with Irma and its aftermath. I've gone ahead and reached out via Twitter and am currently awaiting a reply. Cevan (talk) 16:57, September 15, 2017 (UTC)
- I can try if you'd like, although I doubt Pablo or Leland (particularly Pablo) will respond as I don't believe they're too keen on "is this canon?" questions. In my opinion, it may not be a bad idea to open up a Senate Hall thread discussing this, as this concerns far more than just the unidentified false Jedi article. Cevan (talk) 14:49, September 7, 2017 (UTC)
- That fact that there doesn't appear to be anything at all really to support what CC is saying is what's making me skeptical. In fact, I would say Pablo's quote at the top of the article is suggesting the exact opposite. It's probably not coincidental that this is the only sentence in that entire article that isn't referenced to anything: "Although scripts for these stories exist, they're not canon unless an official release is made, even if other media refers to these events." I think maybe the best thing to do is try asking Pablo or Leland if they consider canon a) the thirteen unfinished story arcs, b) the name Latrans for this character, and c) the developmental background history of this article's character explained at that Celebration panel, as documented in this article's BTS. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 20:37, August 27, 2017 (UTC)
- I believe he's referring to Pablo's quote used at the top of that page, taken from The Clone Wars Legacy announcement video. I've been trying to see if I could find a more definite statement on Wookieepedia stating this position on how the unfinished content is being handled, but so far I've had no luck. Cevan (talk) 19:11, August 27, 2017 (UTC)
- And can you link me to what Pablo Hidalgo quote he's referring to? Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 18:47, August 27, 2017 (UTC)
- Here's a quote from CC7567 on the talk page for The Clone Wars Legacy: "The Clone Wars Legacy incorporates only stories that have been officially released in near-completed form, whether through the episodic story reels or adaptations into other mediums—in other words, only what is listed on the Legacy section of StarWars.com. Unreleased stories do not qualify. In regards to the quote from Pablo Hidalgo, the stories are only canon once they're released as stated previously." Cevan (talk) 18:09, August 27, 2017 (UTC)
- I should say, firstly, that I'm not entirely sure what unreleased TCW arcs you're referring to. Can you link me to something? To answer the rest of your comment, maybe that raises a larger question: Are we meant to take what they say in that Celebration panel as canon? I'm not sure myself. I haven't really been following any of this stuff, so I pretty much rely on you guys who work with Canon to know what to do with it. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 17:46, August 27, 2017 (UTC)
- I had been under the impression that this sort of confirmation fell into the same category as the canonicity of the currently-unreleased The Clone Wars arcs, being that until the information is given in a firmly canon story it cannot be used in the bodies of canon articles. To me, it just seems a little strange to essentially pick and choose a piece of information from that Celebration panel to consider canon, while leaving the rest in the behind the scenes section. What do you think, though? Cevan (talk) 17:29, August 27, 2017 (UTC)
- Reference 5 should implement the {{TCWCite}} template to specify the specific featurette. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 18:56, September 28, 2017 (UTC)
Comments
- That's not an objection, but I have a minor suggestion. Maybe you can name Plo Koon's species, Kel Dor, somewhere in the article, considering the emphasis on his "creepy" and "sinister" appearance. AnilSerifoglu (talk) 01:39, February 5, 2017 (UTC)
- I'm not sure if that's where you wanted it placed, but I've gone ahead and mentioned that Plo Koon is a Kel Dor. Cevan (talk) 20:26, February 5, 2017 (UTC)
- I would recommend somewhere in the line "creepy" and "sinister" appearance of Plo Koon, the story's hero. But it's just my personal preference, I'm fine with it anyway. The article looks great! AnilSerifoglu (talk) 01:13, February 6, 2017 (UTC)
- I'm not sure if that's where you wanted it placed, but I've gone ahead and mentioned that Plo Koon is a Kel Dor. Cevan (talk) 20:26, February 5, 2017 (UTC)
Vote to remove nomination (AC only)
- Idle objection over two weeks old. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 19:37, October 12, 2017 (UTC)
- 1358 (Talk) 19:38, October 12, 2017 (UTC)
- Imperators II(Talk) 20:37, October 12, 2017 (UTC)
- Exiled Jedi (talk) 02:13, October 13, 2017 (UTC)
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Krix
- Nominated by: Clonehunter(Report your W.M.D.) 20:20, February 5, 2017 (UTC)
- Nomination comments:Thanks to the bot I can throw up another Trando.
(1 ACs/3 Users/4 Total)
Support
- Cevan (talk) 21:22, February 6, 2017 (UTC)
- Cwedin(talk) 21:27, February 10, 2017 (UTC)
- I hope you'll write up the Legends version, as well. Imperators II(Talk) 11:23, June 13, 2017 (UTC)
- We need more Canon status articles. I've even had people point this out on the Instagram account. MasterFred(Whatever) 01:06, July 9, 2017 (UTC)
Object
Cevan
Any chance you could add in to the biography that Krix was present for Garnac's endorsement of the hunt, as well as the fact that he and the others Trandoshans then grabbed their weapons before heading out that day?Cevan (talk) 22:13, February 5, 2017 (UTC)- How does that look? --Clonehunter(Report your W.M.D.) 20:23, February 6, 2017 (UTC)
Imperators II
Intro
"Krix was a Trandoshan male hunter and pilot who was a member of a hunting guild that hunted sentient beings." - could you please do something about this repetition?"Krix witnessed Dar's initiation ceremony, but the young hunter was killed the following day." - you should add that Dar was killed by one of the captives."Krix flew a hover pod to the site of the guild's crashed freighter" - here, as well, the intro should be clarified a bit by saying the captives caused the crash.- (not an objection) You should double-check whether the links you add are of the correct continuity, I found and fixed two for you.
"After a skirmish dissolved Garnac's guild" - here, again, I believe you should add that the skirmish was with the captives.- Got these ones (Well, mostly. Will check the linking further as I get to the body). --Clonehunter(Report your W.M.D.) 06:31, June 1, 2017 (UTC)
- Pretty sure all the links are fixed now. --Clonehunter(Report your W.M.D.) 03:17, June 3, 2017 (UTC)
- Got these ones (Well, mostly. Will check the linking further as I get to the body). --Clonehunter(Report your W.M.D.) 06:31, June 1, 2017 (UTC)
Body
You can't source any of these names to the episodes: Wasskah, HCT-2001 Dragonboat-class Reugeot 905 freighter, MSP80 Pteropter hover pod, and I'm guessing the species and/or names of the captives, as well. Check for others, too.- I thought we duck-tested starships/vehicle (With some exceptions, like the various Star Destroyer variations) and aliens (although probably notwithstanding given that the character names need to be sourced anyways, yes). --Clonehunter(Report your W.M.D.) 08:59, June 1, 2017 (UTC)
- I think you're confusing two things here: yes, unless specified otherwise, the name of a ship model is the same in Legends and in Canon, but its name in Canon still has to be referenced to something, be it this tweet by Leland Chee or whatever. Just like you actually did with Wasskah in the article. And the same applies to species. Imperators II(Talk) 05:38, June 3, 2017 (UTC)
- Alright. Most of it could be referenced to the original episode guide (Wayback Machine to 2011), the Hover pod name being the only thing that could be sourced to the current one (Under concept art). --Clonehunter(Report your W.M.D.) 20:12, June 12, 2017 (UTC)
- I think you're confusing two things here: yes, unless specified otherwise, the name of a ship model is the same in Legends and in Canon, but its name in Canon still has to be referenced to something, be it this tweet by Leland Chee or whatever. Just like you actually did with Wasskah in the article. And the same applies to species. Imperators II(Talk) 05:38, June 3, 2017 (UTC)
- I thought we duck-tested starships/vehicle (With some exceptions, like the various Star Destroyer variations) and aliens (although probably notwithstanding given that the character names need to be sourced anyways, yes). --Clonehunter(Report your W.M.D.) 08:59, June 1, 2017 (UTC)
"helped pull the body of the pilot" - helped whom?- Added. It was Ratter. --Clonehunter(Report your W.M.D.) 03:13, June 3, 2017 (UTC)
Skirmish on Wasskah is linked to in the intro; it should be linked to in the body, as well.- Done --Clonehunter(Report your W.M.D.) 03:13, June 3, 2017 (UTC)
Please create Category:Garnac's hunting guild members as a subcategory of Category:Hunters and add Krix and all the other applicable members to it.Imperators II(Talk) 09:17, May 25, 2017 (UTC)- Category created. Added it to all applicable pages. Will get to the rest shortly after the Mem-Day weekend. --Clonehunter(Report your W.M.D.) 20:32, May 27, 2017 (UTC)
Toprawa
- Is there anything in the episode that would warrant adding an Equipment section? Like any weaponry or technology he uses (not counting his hover pod), or any significant stuff he's wearing, like armor? I ask this upfront because you're at 938 words, and any addition will likely bring you to FAN. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 20:22, August 10, 2017 (UTC)
- Aside from the hover pod and the clothes on his back (And I suppose the freighter which he pilots for one scene), he is very briefly seen holding a blaster rifle he grabbed off of a pile of blasters when the Trandos get ready for their first hunt in "Padawan Lost." About 12:30 into the episode. He's never seen using it, though, nor is he seen holding it again. I make a vague mention to this on the first sentence of the second section. (edit) In fact, if you watch the following scene closely, Krix apparently ditches the rifle while loading onto a hover pod as he isn't seen with it while running around the platform.--Clonehunter(Report your W.M.D.) 21:31, August 10, 2017 (UTC)
- I'll be honest, if it was me, I would probably try to mention the following things. It looks like from his concept art (and his final design too?) that he has a utility belt and I guess I would call them utility suspenders(?) with ammo pouches. I can also see a holster on his hip. It also looks like they all wear hunting jackets or hunting vests with unique designs on them, which I would definitely say speaks to individualism/personality. It looks like Krix has lightning designs on his, for example. On top of that, I would definitely make sure to mention the blaster rifle somewhere in the article. The Equipment section is the place for it if it's not important enough to mention in the Bio. Again, if it were me, I would mention this stuff, particularly things we have articles for and can link to. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 21:56, August 10, 2017 (UTC)
- Yah, I can write about that if you think it's necessary. All of the Trandos are fairly unique with their clothing and what not. Not quite suspenders, as they seem separate from his belt. There's a term for that, I can look it up. Holster seems to be empty, but it's there. Yah, I'll write up an Equipment section. --Clonehunter(Report your W.M.D.) 05:49, August 11, 2017 (UTC)
- Aaand done. Takes us to 1107 words. Apparently they're just straight up called "tactical suspenders" (according to web store listings). So I guess I'll just call them that. I suppose magic will have to be done to move this to FAN then. --Clonehunter(Report your W.M.D.) 06:07, August 11, 2017 (UTC)
- Yah, I can write about that if you think it's necessary. All of the Trandos are fairly unique with their clothing and what not. Not quite suspenders, as they seem separate from his belt. There's a term for that, I can look it up. Holster seems to be empty, but it's there. Yah, I'll write up an Equipment section. --Clonehunter(Report your W.M.D.) 05:49, August 11, 2017 (UTC)
- I'll be honest, if it was me, I would probably try to mention the following things. It looks like from his concept art (and his final design too?) that he has a utility belt and I guess I would call them utility suspenders(?) with ammo pouches. I can also see a holster on his hip. It also looks like they all wear hunting jackets or hunting vests with unique designs on them, which I would definitely say speaks to individualism/personality. It looks like Krix has lightning designs on his, for example. On top of that, I would definitely make sure to mention the blaster rifle somewhere in the article. The Equipment section is the place for it if it's not important enough to mention in the Bio. Again, if it were me, I would mention this stuff, particularly things we have articles for and can link to. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 21:56, August 10, 2017 (UTC)
- Aside from the hover pod and the clothes on his back (And I suppose the freighter which he pilots for one scene), he is very briefly seen holding a blaster rifle he grabbed off of a pile of blasters when the Trandos get ready for their first hunt in "Padawan Lost." About 12:30 into the episode. He's never seen using it, though, nor is he seen holding it again. I make a vague mention to this on the first sentence of the second section. (edit) In fact, if you watch the following scene closely, Krix apparently ditches the rifle while loading onto a hover pod as he isn't seen with it while running around the platform.--Clonehunter(Report your W.M.D.) 21:31, August 10, 2017 (UTC)
Comments
Some new edits will have to be made. Depending on the lighting of the scene, Krix, Gilas, and Clutch become very difficult to tell apart. --Clonehunter(Report your W.M.D.) 21:03, March 20, 2017 (UTC)
- Is still GA length. Re-evaluate if you have too. I apologize for this. --Clonehunter(Report your W.M.D.) 21:37, March 20, 2017 (UTC)
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Rakata Prime
- Nominated by: AnilSerifoglu (talk) 07:41, February 10, 2017 (UTC)
- Nomination comments: The article now exceeds 250 words, so I nominate it for good article status this time. AnilSerifoglu (talk) 07:41, February 10, 2017 (UTC)
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Support
- Cwedin(talk) 21:29, February 10, 2017 (UTC)
- Cevan (talk) 00:39, February 15, 2017 (UTC)
- I could live there for my retirement.—Jedi Kasra ("Indeed.") 12:45, February 20, 2017 (UTC)
- Sol PacificusFirestorm 07:50, April 4, 2017 (UTC)
- One sentence GAs... Imperators II(Talk) 08:01, May 23, 2017 (UTC)
- --Lewisr (talk) 14:38, June 1, 2017 (UTC)
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Ecks Dee
Please include a backup link for reference 8. The citation template in question seems to support1358 (Talk) 20:53, August 10, 2017 (UTC)|archiveurl=
.- I can't believe how I missed that, done! AnilSerifoglu (talk) 09:58, August 11, 2017 (UTC)
- The Bts covers some completely irrelevant information. Information about the Rakata species appearing in Canon has no relevance to the planet. 1358 (Talk) 21:02, August 11, 2017 (UTC)
- Information removed. AnilSerifoglu (talk) 12:15, August 12, 2017 (UTC)
- The article currently stands at 245 words. Unless you can find a way to make it 250 without fluffing it up, this article is ineligible for GA status. The second paragraph of the Bts is still a bit too long and could be better structured. 1358 (Talk) 21:33, August 12, 2017 (UTC)
- Speaking to what ecks is saying, there's a lot of wordiness in that BTS that I know could be worded more succinctly, so it's pretty unthinkable to me that anything could actually be added to this article to reach 250. This nomination will be eligible for removal in three days from now due to this unaddressed objection, though I would suggest the nominator give us the ok to just remove it now. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 01:26, August 24, 2017 (UTC)
- I will spend some time smoothing the BTS, but as you said, there is no way it could reach 250. So please go ahead. AnilSerifoglu (talk) 20:38, August 24, 2017 (UTC)
- Speaking to what ecks is saying, there's a lot of wordiness in that BTS that I know could be worded more succinctly, so it's pretty unthinkable to me that anything could actually be added to this article to reach 250. This nomination will be eligible for removal in three days from now due to this unaddressed objection, though I would suggest the nominator give us the ok to just remove it now. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 01:26, August 24, 2017 (UTC)
- The article currently stands at 245 words. Unless you can find a way to make it 250 without fluffing it up, this article is ineligible for GA status. The second paragraph of the Bts is still a bit too long and could be better structured. 1358 (Talk) 21:33, August 12, 2017 (UTC)
- Information removed. AnilSerifoglu (talk) 12:15, August 12, 2017 (UTC)
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