Wookieepedia:Inquisitorius/Log/2017 September 23

[23:19:44] <Ratlin> Before we start, I'd like to propose a moratorium for this meeting only on probing anything that isn't on the FAN page right now
[23:19:53] <Ratlin> We have a shitload of stuff backed up since February
[23:20:01] <Ratlin> I don't want to overburden ourselves
[23:20:06] <Supreme_Emperor> Agreed
[23:20:06] <Ratlin> And we still have a whole page of FAs with redlinks
[23:20:13] <Ratlin> That we started working on once upon a time
[23:20:17] <ecks> sounds good to me
[23:20:20] <Imperators> except the redlink ones, you mean?
[23:20:34] <Ratlin> I don't want to probe anything that isn't on the FAN meeting page currently, is what I mean
[23:20:34] <Supreme_Emperor> I need to step away for two minutes, if I miss anything I've left notes
[23:20:35] <Supreme_Emperor> Brb
[23:20:40] <Imperators> ok
[23:20:47] <exiledjedi> Makes sense.
[23:20:48] <Ratlin> That includes not probing things in the maintenance bin
[23:20:55] <Ratlin> We'll give them until next meeting
[23:21:10] <Ratlin> Ok
[23:21:16] <Ratlin> We'll start with things from last meeting
[23:21:24] <Ratlin> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Battle_of_Orto_Plutonia/Legends
[23:21:25] <Nuku-Nuku> Title: Battle of Orto Plutonia | Wookieepedia | FANDOM powered by Wikia (at starwars.wikia.com)
[23:21:33] <Ratlin> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/Battle_of_Orto_Plutonia/Legends
[23:21:34] <Nuku-Nuku> Title: Wookieepedia:Inq/Battle of Orto Plutonia/Legends | Wookieepedia | FANDOM powered by Wikia (at starwars.wikia.com)
[23:21:59] <Ratlin> Frankly, AV didn't clear up anything with what he was trying to say there
[23:22:39] <exiledjedi> Yeah, I don't have that book to check either.
[23:22:41] <Ratlin> Even if the Legends/Canon status of this book is debatable, the author's article or someone needs to look into it and determine what to do, which isn't happening
[23:22:54] <Ratlin> In that absence of that certainty, I say we kill it
[23:23:01] <exiledjedi> I agree, kill.
[23:23:05] <Ratlin> Anyone has had six months to look into it
[23:23:17] <Ratlin> the article's author, I mean
[23:23:22] <Ratlin> I must be dyslexic 
[23:23:29] <Imperators> nobody cared, kill
[23:23:35] <ecks> Kill 
[23:23:47] <Ratlin> SE votes kill in his absence
[23:23:52] <exiledjedi> I assumed you were on your phone or something.
[23:24:04] <Ratlin> Wait, SE actually voted extend
[23:24:12] <Supreme_Emperor> Back, sorry about that
[23:24:19] <Ratlin> SE, are you extending or killing or keeping?
[23:24:29] <Supreme_Emperor> That was only if it was up in the air, I'll vote kill
[23:24:33] <Culator|Away> I find FFG canon confusing, and when I'm confused I want to kill things. So kill.
[23:24:41] <Ratlin> Kill is it
[23:24:46] <Ratlin> Battle of Orto Plutonia/Legends killed
[23:24:51] <Ratlin> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Nathema
[23:24:52] <Nuku-Nuku> Title: Nathema | Wookieepedia | FANDOM powered by Wikia (at starwars.wikia.com)
[23:24:55] <Ratlin> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/Nathema
[23:24:56] <Nuku-Nuku> Title: Wookieepedia:Inq/Nathema | Wookieepedia | FANDOM powered by Wikia (at starwars.wikia.com)
[23:25:22] <Ratlin> Still unsourced sections
[23:25:27] <Ratlin> Which is amazing to me
[23:25:29] <Ratlin> But whatever
[23:25:29] <Culator|Away> Automatic kill.
[23:25:31] <Ratlin> Kill
[23:25:32] <exiledjedi> Kill
[23:25:35] <Supreme_Emperor> Kill
[23:25:36] <ecks> Kill
[23:25:41] <Imperators> kill
[23:25:47] <Ratlin> Nathema killed
[23:25:53] <Ratlin> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Riiken
[23:25:55] <Nuku-Nuku> Title: Riiken | Wookieepedia | FANDOM powered by Wikia (at starwars.wikia.com)
[23:25:57] <Ratlin> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/Riiken
[23:25:59] <Nuku-Nuku> Title: Wookieepedia:Inq/Riiken | Wookieepedia | FANDOM powered by Wikia (at starwars.wikia.com)
[23:26:18] <Ratlin> Kasra did something, but there's still issues
[23:26:27] <Ratlin> Firstly, there's a redlink
[23:26:41] <Ratlin> Maybe someone here can kill it?
[23:27:00] <Ratlin> Secondly, I think he should mention his military uniform in the Equipment section
[23:27:10] <Ratlin> He wears a shawl or whatever, which is pretty brazen
[23:27:13] <Ratlin> That goes to personality
[23:27:26] <Imperators> haha
[23:27:27] <exiledjedi> I'm not sure who that is. That's someone really minor.
[23:27:39] <Supreme_Emperor> I'm not overly familiar with the game
[23:27:49] <exiledjedi> I think all of the Onderonian officers wear the shawl. I think it is part of the uniform.
[23:27:57] <Ratlin> Fair enough
[23:27:57] <Culator|Away> Chances are I already have a screenshot for that unidentified major, so I can probably get a page up in short order. But the rest of it, eh.
[23:28:06] <Ratlin> I'd still like to see the uniform mentioned like we do for Imperial officers
[23:28:13] <Culator|Away> If I'd been paying attention the last few... months, I could have saved this.
[23:28:41] <Culator|Away> So yeah, I'd say extend on this one.
[23:28:47] <Ratlin> Extend
[23:28:48] <ecks> I'm okay with extend
[23:28:52] <Imperators> extend
[23:28:53] <Supreme_Emperor> I'm good with extending
[23:28:55] <exiledjedi> Extend then.
[23:29:10] <Ratlin> Riiken extended
[23:29:17] <Ratlin> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/CC-5869/Legends
[23:29:18] <Nuku-Nuku> Title: CC-5869 | Wookieepedia | FANDOM powered by Wikia (at starwars.wikia.com)
[23:29:21] <Ratlin> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/CC-5869/Legends
[23:29:22] <Nuku-Nuku> Title: Wookieepedia:Inq/CC-5869/Legends | Wookieepedia | FANDOM powered by Wikia (at starwars.wikia.com)
[23:29:44] <Ratlin> Nothing seems to have done
[23:29:46] <Ratlin> been*
[23:29:51] <ecks> Kill
[23:29:52] <exiledjedi> Kill
[23:29:55] <Ratlin> Kill
[23:29:58] <Supreme_Emperor> Kill
[23:30:11] <Imperators> kill
[23:30:18] <Culator|Away> CWA was such a piece of garbage.
[23:30:20] <Culator|Away> Kill.
[23:30:23] <Ratlin> CC-5869/Legends killed
[23:30:28] <Ratlin> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Atrivis_sector
[23:30:29] <Nuku-Nuku> Title: Atrivis sector | Wookieepedia | FANDOM powered by Wikia (at starwars.wikia.com)
[23:30:32] <Ratlin> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/Atrivis_sector
[23:30:33] <Nuku-Nuku> Title: Wookieepedia:Inq/Atrivis sector | Wookieepedia | FANDOM powered by Wikia (at starwars.wikia.com)
[23:30:52] <ecks> http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?title=Atrivis_sector&diff=7125668&oldid=6928349
[23:30:53] <Nuku-Nuku> Title: Atrivis sector | Wookieepedia | FANDOM powered by Wikia (at starwars.wikia.com)
[23:31:00] <Ratlin> Eyrezer says he did stuff
[23:31:02] <Ratlin> Looking it over
[23:31:51] <Ratlin> I have a few dating issues
[23:32:26] <Imperators> backup links need to be fixed
[23:32:37] <exiledjedi> The BTS is partially sourced.
[23:32:41] <Ratlin> I'm text-searching through all the ABYs, so bear with me
[23:33:02] <exiledjedi> Seemingly at random.
[23:33:14] <Ratlin> Ok, I think there's four ABY dates that have no sourcing
[23:33:21] <Culator|Away> Well, add the new issues to the review page and extend the probe. It's certainly changed enough that we can't just summarily execute it.
[23:33:25] <Ratlin> If I can remember them all...
[23:33:31] <Ratlin> Right, we'll extend it for these reasons
[23:33:33] <Imperators> image caption punctuation
[23:33:39] <Supreme_Emperor> Definitely extend
[23:33:39] <ecks> backup links for some of the citations
[23:33:43] <Ratlin> There's a 1 ABY sourced to Rogue Squadron N64, which doesn't work
[23:33:56] <Ratlin> There's a 9 ABY sourced to Last Command or something, which doesn't work
[23:34:11] <Ratlin> There was a 28 ABY or something sourced to...something
[23:34:28] <Ratlin> Basically, any date in this article not reffed to the Atlas needs a note
[23:34:29] <Imperators> aaaaaand there's infobox-exclusive info
[23:34:45] <exiledjedi> The BTS needs to be fully sourced as well.
[23:35:17] <Imperators> heavy extend
[23:35:22] <Ratlin> Ok, all of these issues will be added to the review page
[23:35:24] <Ratlin> Extend
[23:35:25] <exiledjedi> Extend
[23:35:25] <Supreme_Emperor> Extend
[23:36:13] <ecks> extend
[23:36:21] <Culator|Away> ^^
[23:36:27] <Ratlin> Atrivis sector extended
[23:36:32] <Ratlin> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Agen_Kolar/Legends
[23:36:33] <Nuku-Nuku> Title: Agen Kolar | Wookieepedia | FANDOM powered by Wikia (at starwars.wikia.com)
[23:36:37] <Ratlin> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/Agen_Kolar/Legends
[23:36:39] <Nuku-Nuku> Title: Wookieepedia:Inq/Agen Kolar/Legends | Wookieepedia | FANDOM powered by Wikia (at starwars.wikia.com)
[23:37:04] <Ratlin> Nothing has changed
[23:37:09] <Supreme_Emperor> Kill
[23:37:10] <Imperators> yay
[23:37:10] <ecks> kill
[23:37:12] <exiledjedi> Kill
[23:37:12] <Imperators> kill
[23:37:14] <Ratlin> Kill
[23:37:44] <Ratlin> Culator?
[23:37:49] <Culator|Away> Yes, kill.
[23:37:54] <Ratlin> Agen Kolar/Legends killed
[23:38:00] <Ratlin> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/10-4TO
[23:38:01] <Nuku-Nuku> Title: 10-4TO | Wookieepedia | FANDOM powered by Wikia (at starwars.wikia.com)
[23:38:04] <Ratlin> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/10-4TO
[23:38:05] <Nuku-Nuku> Title: Wookieepedia:Inq/10-4TO | Wookieepedia | FANDOM powered by Wikia (at starwars.wikia.com)
[23:38:06] <Culator|Away> I'm just taking a second to remember the insanity of TFU.
[23:38:08] <Culator|Away> "Kazdan Paratus is an insane former Jedi who built a facsimile Jedi Council out of junk in Star Wars: The Force Unleashed including a replica of Agen Kolar."
[23:38:15] <Culator|Away> Yeeeeeah.
[23:38:41] <Ratlin> I guess the Biography never heard of subsectioning
[23:38:46] <exiledjedi> That biography is insane.
[23:39:02] <Imperators> holy
[23:39:07] <Ratlin> More subsections, more quotes
[23:39:30] <Ratlin> I'm not sure the intro really needs to be /that/ long
[23:39:34] <Imperators> 4 duplicate links
[23:39:41] <Ratlin> Two solid paragraphs would probably suffice
[23:39:48] <ecks> yeah, the intro length is pretty iffy
[23:40:00] <Culator|Away> Why do we always come up with more issues at the meeting and not on the review page WELL before the meeting?
[23:40:04] <Supreme_Emperor> Definitely subsectioning and cutting down some of that intro
[23:40:10] <Ratlin> Because the Inq used to suck
[23:40:16] <Ratlin> Now it's not sucking :P
[23:40:16] <Imperators> 19 BBY probably can't be sourced to the novel
[23:40:17] <Supreme_Emperor> Next meeting we will Culator :P
[23:40:37] <exiledjedi> I think that 18.8 BBY date is exclusive to the intro.
[23:40:48] <Culator|Away> This reminds me of a mofference. "Take it to the consensus track!"
[23:40:50] <Ratlin> I'm not sure that can even be sourced to that novel
[23:40:56] <Ratlin> Does the book actually say 18.8?
[23:40:58] <Ratlin> That's pretty specific
[23:41:16] <Imperators> there should be an affiliation category
[23:41:21] <Ratlin> It probably says something like eight months after ROTS
[23:41:26] <Ratlin> Which needs to be ref-noted
[23:41:26] <exiledjedi> I'll bet it is from the companion.
[23:41:31] <Supreme_Emperor> It's been a while since I read it
[23:41:57] <Ratlin> Ok, extend for all these reasons
[23:42:00] <Supreme_Emperor> Yeah, 18.8 is exclusive 
[23:42:05] <Supreme_Emperor> Extend
[23:42:06] <ecks> extend
[23:42:08] <Imperators> extend
[23:42:11] <Culator|Away> ^
[23:42:13] <exiledjedi> extend
[23:42:35] <Ratlin> 10-4TO extended
[23:42:41] <Ratlin> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/11-4D/Legends
[23:42:42] <Nuku-Nuku> Title: 11-4D | Wookieepedia | FANDOM powered by Wikia (at starwars.wikia.com)
[23:42:45] <Ratlin> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/11-4D/Legends
[23:42:46] <Nuku-Nuku> Title: Wookieepedia:Inq/11-4D/Legends | Wookieepedia | FANDOM powered by Wikia (at starwars.wikia.com)
[23:43:04] <Ratlin> This is a good intro length
[23:43:18] <Imperators> there's a redlink
[23:43:20] <exiledjedi> I still see a redlink.
[23:43:21] <Ratlin> Paragraphs are pretty
[23:43:42] <Supreme_Emperor> What's the current redlink?
[23:43:53] <Ratlin> All of the BBY dates are sourced to Plagueis
[23:43:56] <Ratlin> Is that doable?
[23:43:57] <Ratlin> I've never read that
[23:44:04] <Imperators> internet citation needs {{Cite web}}
[23:44:12] <Imperators> something something Bothan something
[23:44:14] <exiledjedi> I haven't read it either.
[23:44:31] <Supreme_Emperor> I don't have the book handy offhand, I can't recall
[23:44:50] <Imperators> everything except 33 BBY can be
[23:44:58] <Imperators> 33 BBY is guesswork, I'd say
[23:45:11] <Ratlin> Ok, we'll require a ref note for that one then
[23:45:21] <Ratlin> So, extend for all of these reasons
[23:45:22] <Imperators> extend anyway
[23:45:26] <ecks> extend
[23:45:27] <Ratlin> But otherwise this has been by far the prettiest looking article
[23:45:27] <exiledjedi> extend
[23:45:27] <Supreme_Emperor> Extend
[23:45:33] <ecks> per Ratlin
[23:45:38] <exiledjedi> It's newer.
[23:45:39] <Imperators> still has issues
[23:46:00] <Ratlin> Culator?
[23:46:08] <Culator|Away> Was the redlink there before or after the review?
[23:46:16] <Culator|Away> Feh, never mind. Extend.
[23:46:20] <Ratlin> 11-4D/Legends extended
[23:46:26] <Ratlin> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/3D-4X_administrative_droid
[23:46:27] <Nuku-Nuku> Title: 3D-4X administrative droid | Wookieepedia | FANDOM powered by Wikia (at starwars.wikia.com)
[23:46:30] <Ratlin> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/3D-4X_administrative_droid
[23:46:31] <Nuku-Nuku> Title: Wookieepedia:Inq/3D-4X administrative droid | Wookieepedia | FANDOM powered by Wikia (at starwars.wikia.com)
[23:47:30] <Imperators> backup link
[23:47:38] <Imperators> {{TalesCite}}
[23:47:43] <Ratlin> Ok, I know not all of those BBY dates cannot be sourced as such
[23:47:51] <Ratlin> There's at least one that can't
[23:47:53] <Ratlin> Probably more
[23:48:13] <Ratlin> The Han Solo and the Hollow Moon of Khorya I believe comes from a DH Boards comment from R. Stradley
[23:48:28] <Ratlin> So all those dates should be examined
[23:48:47] <Ratlin> I, like, cannot talk today
[23:48:48] <ecks> a cursory glance from me reveals no other issues
[23:48:52] <Ratlin> But you know what I mean :p
[23:49:06] <Ratlin> Ok, extend for all these reasons
[23:49:16] <Supreme_Emperor> Extend
[23:49:18] <exiledjedi> Extend
[23:49:19] <Imperators> okay, extend
[23:49:21] <Culator|Away> Extend.
[23:49:22] <ecks> extend
[23:49:38] <Ratlin> 3D-4X administrative droid extended
[23:49:42] <Ratlin> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/8t88
[23:49:43] <Nuku-Nuku> Title: 8t88 | Wookieepedia | FANDOM powered by Wikia (at starwars.wikia.com)
[23:49:45] <Ratlin> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/8t88
[23:49:46] <Nuku-Nuku> Title: Wookieepedia:Inq/8t88 | Wookieepedia | FANDOM powered by Wikia (at starwars.wikia.com)
[23:49:47] <Culator|Away> But sometimes, just sometimes, I wish we were more like wikia wanted us to be. That is, crappier.
[23:50:11] <Ratlin> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Talk:8t88
[23:50:13] <Nuku-Nuku> Title: Talk:8t88 | Wookieepedia | FANDOM powered by Wikia (at starwars.wikia.com)
[23:50:17] <Ratlin> Please see JMAS's comment there
[23:50:44] <Imperators> reasonable
[23:50:46] <ecks> no redlinks there then
[23:51:03] <Culator|Away> Sensible.
[23:51:04] <Supreme_Emperor> Seems reasonable to me
[23:51:09] <Ratlin> That 5 ABY date needs to be reffed to something, though
[23:51:18] <Imperators> and backup links, of course.
[23:51:23] <Ratlin> I know I went through this with other articles from this source
[23:51:30] <Ratlin> I believe we sourced it to NEC
[23:51:35] <ecks> Features needs to be renamed to Equipment as per WP:LG, I believe
[23:51:41] <Imperators> and the JCF citation needs work
[23:52:23] <Ratlin> I think some of those Wizards adventures are actually Appearances, correct me if I'm wrong
[23:52:29] <Imperators> meh, if there's audio quote category, there should also be {{Imagecat}}
[23:52:34] <Ratlin> If they're RPG adventures, they're Appearances
[23:52:38] <Imperators> yeah
[23:52:39] <exiledjedi> I think all of them are.
[23:52:53] <Supreme_Emperor> Yeah, they should be
[23:52:59] <Imperators> BTS needs to be sourced
[23:53:00] <Ratlin> The Fact File needs to specify the section
[23:53:16] <Imperators> image caption punctuation
[23:53:20] <ecks> extend extend
[23:53:26] <Ratlin> Extend for these things
[23:53:27] <exiledjedi> Extend
[23:53:28] <Supreme_Emperor> Extend
[23:53:37] <Imperators> extend
[23:53:46] <exiledjedi> brb
[23:54:23] <Ratlin> Culator?
[23:54:28] <Culator|Away> e
[23:54:28] <Culator|Away> x
[23:54:28] <Culator|Away> t
[23:54:28] <Culator|Away> e
[23:54:28] <Culator|Away> n
[23:54:29] <Culator|Away> d
[23:54:38] <Ratlin> 8t88 extended
[23:54:42] <Ratlin> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Agents_of_Chaos_Duology
[23:54:43] <Nuku-Nuku> Title: Agents of Chaos Duology | Wookieepedia | FANDOM powered by Wikia (at starwars.wikia.com)
[23:54:46] <Ratlin> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/Agents_of_Chaos_Duology_(second_review)
[23:55:50] <ecks> cursory glance reveals lack of backup links but nothing else
[23:55:56] <Ratlin> I think he cleverly avoided needing to cite ABY dates by pipelinking all of them 
[23:56:16] <Ratlin> I believe the novels can be sourced to the generic "seven years before," etc.
[23:56:47] <Ratlin> So just extend to add backup links to external link citations
[23:57:02] <Supreme_Emperor> I'm not seeing any other issues at first glance
[23:57:04] <Supreme_Emperor> Extend
[23:57:07] <Ratlin> Extend
[23:57:16] <Imperators> I wonder if any of those external links need any further work
[23:57:19] <ecks> extend
[23:57:34] <exiledjedi> Extend
[23:57:41] <Imperators> extend
[23:57:42] <ecks> also what's with that upper navbox? is it really necessary?
[23:57:48] <Ratlin> Imperators, if you see anything and feel like going through them, you can always add to them the review page after this meeting
[23:57:48] <Culator|Away> Oh, that's a thing now? Well, then. Extendomatic.
[23:58:18] <Ratlin> Sorry, which one, ecks?
[23:58:28] <Ratlin> The "Agents of Chaos Duology"?
[23:58:38] <ecks> yeah, the one with two links
[23:58:44] <ecks> they're both in the NJO box as well
[23:58:44] <Ratlin> It's pretty redundant to the one below it
[23:58:54] <exiledjedi> Yeah, I'd kill that.
[23:58:56] <Ratlin> I'm in favor of its removal
[23:58:57] <Imperators> yeah
[23:59:18] <Supreme_Emperor> It's unnecessary
[23:59:18] <Ratlin> Ok, extend for all these things
[23:59:24] <Ratlin> Extend
[23:59:26] <Supreme_Emperor> Extend
[23:59:35] <ecks> extend
[23:59:39] <Imperators> extend again?
[23:59:48] <exiledjedi> extend
[23:59:48] <ecks> hyperextend
[23:59:49] <Ratlin> Oh, right
[23:59:51] <Ratlin> Hyperextend
[23:59:53] <Ratlin> per ecks
[00:00:01] <Ratlin> Agents of Chaos duology hyperextended 
[00:00:07] <exiledjedi> Ow
[00:00:08] <Ratlin> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Anointed_People
[00:00:09] <Imperators> and then you wonder why the Inqmoots run long :P
[00:00:09] <Nuku-Nuku> Title: Anointed People | Wookieepedia | FANDOM powered by Wikia (at starwars.wikia.com)
[00:00:14] <Ratlin> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/Anointed_People
[00:00:15] <Nuku-Nuku> Title: Wookieepedia:Inq/Anointed People | Wookieepedia | FANDOM powered by Wikia (at starwars.wikia.com)
[00:00:39] <ecks> Ref 9 is lazy
[00:01:10] <Imperators> the CSWE refs are somewhat lazy, too
[00:01:11] <Ratlin> None of those BBY/ABY dates can be referenced as such
[00:01:13] <Culator|Away> umwhat
[00:01:38] <Imperators> ref 3 and ref 4, too
[00:01:41] <Ratlin> Star Wars Miniatures Battle needs to use the template to specify set
[00:01:52] <Ratlin> Ref 8
[00:01:59] <Imperators> and please no italics in quotes
[00:02:10] <Imperators> and please source BTS
[00:02:22] <exiledjedi> Ref 7 is just wrong.
[00:02:38] <Imperators> yup
[00:02:39] <exiledjedi> Sourcing 19 BBY to ROTS?
[00:02:46] <Ratlin> The last body image should crop out the border
[00:02:50] <Ratlin> It could be turned into a square image
[00:03:11] <Ratlin> Caption punctuation too
[00:03:16] <Imperators> redundant categorization
[00:03:40] <Imperators> I think the punctuations fine, though
[00:03:46] <Imperators> *punctuation's
[00:03:53] <Ratlin> Yeah, you're right
[00:03:56] <Imperators> but extend pls
[00:04:03] <Ratlin> Extend for all these reasons
[00:04:12] <Supreme_Emperor> Extend
[00:04:20] <ecks> nothing gets kept today
[00:04:21] <ecks> extend
[00:04:28] <Imperators> nothing will
[00:04:38] <exiledjedi> Extend for all of the stuff.
[00:04:55] <Culator|Away> FINE JUST FINISH THIS ALREADY I HAVE BEER THAT NEEDS DRINKING
[00:05:05] <Ratlin> Anointed People extended
[00:05:09] <Ratlin> We're almost finished
[00:05:09] <Imperators> you don't multitask?
[00:05:14] <Ratlin> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Bail_Antilles_(Galactic_Alliance)
[00:05:18] <Ratlin> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/Bail_Antilles_(Galactic_Alliance)
[00:05:21] <Culator|Away> I can only do so much and still type.
[00:05:38] <Ratlin> Can any of those ABY dates be soured to Legacy? 
[00:05:41] <Ratlin> It's possible 
[00:05:43] <Imperators> maybe
[00:06:00] <exiledjedi> I never read Legacy.
[00:06:01] <Imperators> yay, backup link
[00:06:14] <ecks> "Bail Antilles was introduced to Star Wars canon by John Ostrander and Jan Duursema"
[00:06:21] <Imperators> comics sometimes provide hard dates on the front... you probably all know that.
[00:06:23] <Supreme_Emperor> Each comic does indicate the date at the beginning, though not for flashback moments
[00:06:43] <Imperators> good point about the flashback, SE
[00:06:58] <Ratlin> I say we extend anyways to make him confirm it
[00:06:59] <Supreme_Emperor> Flashbacks I can't recall if it indicates when they are occurring 
[00:07:14] <Supreme_Emperor> Definite extend
[00:07:15] <Ratlin> This became an FA before we ever enforced the needs to ref dates properly
[00:07:20] <Ratlin> So there's no guarantee of its accuracy
[00:07:25] <Ratlin> the need*
[00:07:35] <ecks> extends are cheap, but otherwise this article is in good shape
[00:07:37] <Imperators> extend
[00:07:41] <Ratlin> Extend
[00:07:46] <exiledjedi> Extend
[00:08:15] <Ratlin> Bail Antilles (Galactic Alliance) extended
[00:08:22] <Ratlin> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Sagoro_Autem
[00:08:23] <Nuku-Nuku> Title: Sagoro Autem | Wookieepedia | FANDOM powered by Wikia (at starwars.wikia.com)
[00:08:26] <Ratlin> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/Sagoro_Autem
[00:08:27] <Nuku-Nuku> Title: Wookieepedia:Inq/Sagoro Autem | Wookieepedia | FANDOM powered by Wikia (at starwars.wikia.com)
[00:08:52] <ecks> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/Sagoro_Autem_(second_review) is the correct review page
[00:08:57] <ecks> redlink issue is fixed
[00:08:59] <Ratlin> Thanks, ecks
[00:09:12] <Supreme_Emperor> ref dates look good at first glance
[00:09:19] <Ratlin> For the record, since someone is likely going to complain about their article being extended for this, I plan on going through all of our FAs and GAs in future meetings and examining them for proper date referencing
[00:09:25] <Ratlin> So we're going to get you sooner or later
[00:09:30] <Imperators> yay, backup links
[00:09:38] <ecks> yeah, this one shows good promise
[00:10:01] <Imperators> Ratlin speaks the Truth
[00:10:10] <ecks> Dare we... keep it?
[00:10:15] <Ratlin> Wait
[00:10:17] <Ratlin> I have something
[00:10:19] <Supreme_Emperor> My god, do we have something
[00:10:22] <Imperators> backup links
[00:10:22] <Ratlin> Opening up an archive link to check
[00:10:23] <Supreme_Emperor> Well nope :P
[00:10:49] <Ratlin> I don't think any of the dating works...
[00:10:53] <Ratlin> The referencing, I mean
[00:11:11] <Ratlin> 42 BBY can't be sourced straight to that HNN article
[00:11:14] <Imperators> lol, how can BBy date be referenced to HNN
[00:11:16] <Ratlin> HNN used GrS dating at best
[00:11:22] <Imperators> kill
[00:11:24] <Ratlin> The translation from GrS to BBY needs to be explained
[00:11:37] <Supreme_Emperor> I thought HNN articles indicated BBY
[00:11:38] <Ratlin> Or whatever the case is there
[00:11:45] <Imperators> no
[00:11:45] <Supreme_Emperor> I might be thinking of something else though
[00:11:48] <Ratlin> It uses GrS
[00:11:52] <Ratlin> Look in the article title bar
[00:11:53] <Supreme_Emperor> Gotcha
[00:11:56] <Ratlin> 13:5:16
[00:12:00] <Ratlin> Year 13 is apparently 42 BBY
[00:12:04] <Ratlin> But that needs to be explained
[00:12:18] <Culator|Away> [00:08] <@Ratlin> For the record, since someone is likely going to complain about their article being extended for this, I plan on going through all of our FAs and GAs in future meetings and examining them for proper date referencing
[00:12:23] <Culator|Away> https://static.fjcdn.com/pictures/John+adams_f45055_5046111.png
[00:12:40] <ecks> heh
[00:12:40] <Ratlin> I'm willing to suffer the consequences 
[00:13:06] <Ratlin> So since we have at least one lacking date ref, I'd suggest examining all of them
[00:13:06] <Supreme_Emperor> XD
[00:13:11] <Imperators> btw
[00:13:16] <Supreme_Emperor> Lets extend
[00:13:18] * exiledjedi pushes the button.
[00:13:24] <Imperators> sourcing proper names like "Grand Convocation Chamber," to just the comic
[00:13:24] * ecks tend
[00:13:25] <Supreme_Emperor> Then we can do a more in depth check
[00:13:35] <Supreme_Emperor> ^ XD
[00:13:51] <Ratlin> Extend for all of these
[00:13:53] <Imperators> extend
[00:13:56] <Supreme_Emperor> Extend
[00:13:58] <Culator|Away> EXTEND ALL THE THINGS
[00:14:16] <exiledjedi> Extend
[00:14:35] <Ratlin> Sagoro Autem extended
[00:14:41] <Ratlin> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Lobar_Aybock
[00:14:42] <Nuku-Nuku> Title: Lobar Aybock | Wookieepedia | FANDOM powered by Wikia (at starwars.wikia.com)
[00:14:45] <Ratlin> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/Lobar_Aybock
[00:14:46] <Nuku-Nuku> Title: Wookieepedia:Inq/Lobar Aybock | Wookieepedia | FANDOM powered by Wikia (at starwars.wikia.com)
[00:15:14] <Culator|Away> The inadequately pink Calian.
[00:15:20] <exiledjedi> Oh yay, Rocky Balboa in Star Wars.
[00:15:44] <Ratlin> The Databank backup link needs to be amended to specify an archive date
[00:15:49] <Ratlin> Because it's a 404 at present
[00:15:59] <Imperators> yes yes backup links
[00:16:12] <Ratlin> But that 2 BBY date absolutely cannot be sourced to the Databakn
[00:16:18] <Ratlin> I know Marvel didn't use BBY
[00:16:23] <ecks> I'll fix the 404s
[00:16:42] <Supreme_Emperor> ref 4 is no good
[00:16:43] <Imperators> all the ones mentioned in this meeting? :P
[00:16:48] <Ratlin> 2 ABY date*
[00:17:08] <Ratlin> Does anyone have Fists of Ion still?
[00:17:11] <Supreme_Emperor> and you beat me to the marvel aby date :P
[00:17:33] <Imperators> there's a Suvudu link to it, Tope
[00:17:44] <Ratlin> Thanks
[00:17:52] <Imperators> or whatever http://www.unboundworlds.com/2012/10/star-wars-shorts-fists-of-ion/
[00:17:53] <Ratlin> I'm checking it for dates
[00:17:57] <exiledjedi> I see a lot of GrS dates.
[00:18:12] <exiledjedi> *A GrS date
[00:18:14] <Ratlin> Yeah
[00:18:28] <Ratlin> The GrS date either needs to be used outright or a ref note needs to explain the translation
[00:18:32] <Ratlin> This isn't self-sourcing
[00:18:38] <Imperators> italics in quotes
[00:18:54] <Supreme_Emperor> Extend that
[00:19:05] <Ratlin> Extend f
[00:19:07] <Ratlin> or that
[00:19:09] <Imperators> extend
[00:19:11] * ecks tend
[00:19:18] <exiledjedi> Extend
[00:19:20] <Culator|Away> tend to ecks
[00:19:32] <Ratlin> Lobar Aybock extended
[00:19:34] <Ratlin> Last one
[00:19:36] <Imperators> omg so close
[00:19:38] <Ratlin> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Daye_Azur-Jamin
[00:19:39] <Nuku-Nuku> Title: Daye Azur-Jamin | Wookieepedia | FANDOM powered by Wikia (at starwars.wikia.com)
[00:19:42] <Ratlin> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/Daye_Azur-Jamin
[00:19:43] <Nuku-Nuku> Title: Wookieepedia:Inq/Daye Azur-Jamin | Wookieepedia | FANDOM powered by Wikia (at starwars.wikia.com)
[00:20:10] <Imperators> there's two eras in infobox, but four era icons
[00:20:25] <Ratlin> The WEG citation(s) should specify an archive date
[00:20:27] <Culator|Away> Hobo With A Lightsaber
[00:20:45] <Ratlin> And they should be checked for ABY dates
[00:20:46] <Imperators> you mean Wizards citations, right?
[00:20:57] <Ratlin> I'm not looking through all HTTP 302 response crawl errors
[00:21:03] <Ratlin> Yeah, WOTC*
[00:21:23] <Ratlin> I'm pretty sure WOTC doesn't say 29 ABY or whatever
[00:21:29] <Imperators> it's simple, all the external links need to be checked for working backup links
[00:21:44] <Ratlin> And then use those working backup links to check and fix dates
[00:21:47] <Supreme_Emperor> I doubt the Wizards date ref is good
[00:21:50] <Imperators> {{TalesCite}} is applicable
[00:21:52] <Ratlin> There's a 5 ABY sourced to CSWE
[00:21:55] <Ratlin> I don't think so
[00:22:11] <exiledjedi> I have folder full of page bookmarks of just my articles to check for that, Imperators.
[00:22:12] <Imperators> BTS needs to be fully sourced
[00:22:14] <Supreme_Emperor> All the backups I'm trying are getting HTTP 302
[00:22:51] <Ratlin> Ok, extend for all this
[00:22:53] <Ratlin> Extend
[00:23:11] <Imperators> check for TalesCite, you mean, EJ?
[00:23:13] <Imperators> extend
[00:23:14] <Ratlin> Those WOTC articles might be Appearances, for the record
[00:23:25] <exiledjedi> No, missing backup links.
[00:23:28] <Supreme_Emperor> Extend
[00:23:31] <exiledjedi> Extend
[00:23:34] <Culator|Away> ^
[00:23:57] <Ratlin> Daye Azur-Jammin whatever extended
[00:24:04] <Imperators> oh, also maybe subsectioning
[00:24:11] <Ratlin> Moving on to new articles
[00:24:13] <Ratlin> There are only two
[00:24:19] <Ratlin> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Chak_Fel
[00:24:20] <Nuku-Nuku> Title: Chak Fel | Wookieepedia | FANDOM powered by Wikia (at starwars.wikia.com)
[00:24:22] <Ratlin> Chak Fel - Manual of style issues at the end of the biography and the intro. Hanzo Hasashi (talk) 00:30, September 13, 2017 (UTC) 
[00:24:50] <Ratlin> You know, we've warned Hanzo about giving us insufficient probation reasons
[00:24:57] <Ratlin> We call it being Hanzoed
[00:25:08] <Ratlin> I have no idea what he's talking about MOS issues in the intro
[00:25:14] <Imperators> ^
[00:25:22] <Ratlin> We don't have time to be searching through the end of the article to find stuff
[00:25:26] <Ratlin> If you have specific issues, list them
[00:25:32] <Ratlin> Otherwise, we agreed we're not going to probe for this stuff
[00:25:42] <Imperators> "He had certainly died"? Hanzo could have given us the quote(s)
[00:26:12] <Ratlin> MOS is very specific stuff
[00:26:16] <Ratlin> Like spelling, etc.
[00:26:18] <Ratlin> You need to point that out to us
[00:26:22] <Ratlin> Agree to no probe?
[00:26:24] <Imperators> ref 15 needs template
[00:26:31] <Culator|Away> It's like when someone takes a car to the mechanic and says 'it makes a noise.' Well, what kind of noise? 'The kind it shouldn't be making.' Where does it come from? 'Inside the car.'
[00:26:41] <Supreme_Emperor> At first glance I'm not noticing any other issues
[00:26:45] <ecks> *cue date references missing*
[00:26:50] <Imperators> image captions
[00:27:01] <Ratlin> Ref 14 should use a template too
[00:27:09] <Ratlin> Short story would suffice, even though it's not technically a short story
[00:27:36] <Ratlin> We can probe for this stuff -- if Hanzo wants to add more specific MOS issues for us to look at it on the review page, he can do that
[00:27:48] <Supreme_Emperor> Do we have a template specifically for interviews?
[00:27:55] <Ratlin> We have a short story template
[00:28:03] <Ratlin> This interview is apparently from a novel
[00:28:14] <Ratlin> The SS template works
[00:28:21] <Supreme_Emperor> Alright
[00:28:35] <exiledjedi> I think the born and died dates in the infobox could use explanatory references.
[00:28:44] <Imperators> been a while since I read Survivor's Quest, but most probably all the dates need work
[00:28:57] <Ratlin> EJ's right
[00:29:04] <Supreme_Emperor> Yeah, additional explanation required 
[00:29:17] <Ratlin> The Fact Files should specify sections
[00:29:28] <exiledjedi> I don't see anything about his birth date in the body, but I might be missing it.
[00:29:59] <ecks> e to the x to the t to the e to the n to the d
[00:30:00] <Supreme_Emperor> Yeah, it's infobox exclusive EJ
[00:30:04] <Ratlin> per SE
[00:30:04] <exiledjedi> The death date could be better covered as well.
[00:30:11] <Ratlin> There's no pipelinks to 2 ABY or 3 ABY in the body
[00:30:16] <Imperators> extend
[00:30:19] <Ratlin> Extend for all this
[00:30:23] <exiledjedi> Extend
[00:30:38] <Culator|Away> You mean probe. This is a new article.
[00:30:42] <Ratlin> Yeah
[00:30:43] <Ratlin> Probe
[00:30:46] <Culator|Away> And sure, do that.
[00:30:55] <exiledjedi> Probe
[00:30:56] <Imperators> it's 3 AM, Jesus. probe
[00:31:04] <Supreme_Emperor> Probe
[00:31:20] <ecks> the sole reason I moved to Sweden was to participate in Inqmoots that start at 1 AM instead of 2 AM
[00:31:20] <Ratlin> Chak Fel probed
[00:31:23] <ecks> Probe
[00:31:26] <Ratlin> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Venka
[00:31:28] <Nuku-Nuku> Title: Venka | Wookieepedia | FANDOM powered by Wikia (at starwars.wikia.com)
[00:31:28] <Supreme_Emperor> 8:30 here Imp :P
[00:31:34] <Ratlin> He wanted me to add Robin Scobey to the BTS
[00:31:36] <Ratlin> I did that
[00:32:08] <Supreme_Emperor> Might this be the one we don't have to touch :D
[00:32:11] <ecks> guy has a huge nose
[00:32:12] <ecks> spare
[00:32:22] <Ratlin> I think I even have the Databank names correct
[00:32:25] <Ratlin> Last name first, First name last
[00:32:37] <Ratlin> Check out those Fact File sections
[00:32:38] <Imperators> oh, it's your article? are we going to find anything at all in it? :D
[00:32:39] <Ratlin> [Redacted by administration]
[00:32:43] <Ratlin> I don't know
[00:32:45] <Ratlin> I think it's pretty good
[00:32:57] <Supreme_Emperor> I'm going to go out on a limb and say spare
[00:33:02] <Ratlin> 3 ABY is reffed correctly
[00:33:05] <Imperators> they're so good they're bad
[00:33:27] <exiledjedi> Should the link to Admiral Piett's databank entry in the BTS point to the archive link?
[00:33:28] <Imperators> yuusssss duplicate links
[00:33:46] <Ratlin> looking
[00:33:47] <ecks> yes, per EJ
[00:33:55] <Ratlin> Yeah, I can do that
[00:34:06] <Ratlin> It redirects to the Databank now
[00:34:08] <Ratlin> That's funny
[00:34:09] <exiledjedi> Right now, it goes to the current databank.
[00:34:18] <Imperators> backup links
[00:34:29] <Imperators> {{TalesCite}}
[00:34:30] <ecks> backup links are the hottest shit on the Wook right now
[00:34:34] <Imperators> spare :D
[00:34:39] <Ratlin> Backup links where?
[00:34:48] <Ratlin> I think everything is there
[00:34:52] <exiledjedi> Where are these backup links?
[00:34:53] <ecks> yeah, it's all there, spare
[00:35:09] <Imperators> DB backup link needs archivedate
[00:35:14] <Imperators> the usual
[00:35:19] <Ratlin> Ok, I can do that
[00:35:21] <ecks> well, the SWE is 404 too
[00:35:37] <Ratlin> You might have to show me how to add these dates in
[00:35:43] <Ratlin> I'm not sure I know how to do it exactly
[00:35:46] <Imperators> sure
[00:35:57] <Imperators> we don't have anything to link the SW:TCG cards to?
[00:36:21] <Ratlin> I can look
[00:37:04] <Culator|Away> Alright, I gotta go, I'm being yelled at from the other room at escalating volume.
[00:37:18] <Ratlin> Later
[00:37:22] <exiledjedi> I find it amusing that the guy in the 3 AM timezone is the one keeping us here longer.
[00:37:24] <Ratlin> Anything else?
[00:37:28] <Ratlin> Seriously :P
[00:37:37] <Supreme_Emperor> lol
[00:37:53] <exiledjedi> I don't have anything else.
[00:38:03] <Imperators> probably not
[00:38:06] <Ratlin> For the record, our history precedent allows us to spare articles where someone immediately agrees to fix the issues
[00:38:16] <Ratlin> ^ For Imperators' understanding
[00:38:23] <Ratlin> So I'll get on Venka
[00:38:25] <Imperators> thank you so much
[00:38:28] <Imperators> spare
[00:38:34] <Supreme_Emperor> Yay we get to spare something
[00:38:34] <Ratlin> Spare
[00:38:35] <Supreme_Emperor> Spare
[00:38:35] <exiledjedi> Spare
[00:38:38] <ecks> Oh, I already added archivedate to Venka
[00:38:39] <ecks> spare
[00:38:42] <Ratlin> Thanks, ecks
[00:38:47] <Ratlin> Venka spared
[00:38:50] <Ratlin> Ugh
[00:38:53] <Ratlin> There's one more discussion issue
[00:38:55] <Ratlin> It'll be quick
[00:39:05] <Ratlin> I think we should reduce the nom removal time from 3 weeks to 2 weeks
[00:39:21] <ecks> agreed
[00:39:22] <exiledjedi> 3 weeks is a very long time.
[00:39:28] <Ratlin> An article's length shouldn't determine a nominator's ability to respond to objections in a timely manner
[00:39:30] <Supreme_Emperor> 100% support 
[00:39:36] <Ratlin> The fact that it's an FAN doesn't change that
[00:39:58] <Ratlin> So, please say Yes or No for the record
[00:39:59] <Supreme_Emperor> Even if someone needs more time, they can just note that under the objection
[00:40:00] <Ratlin> Yes
[00:40:01] <Supreme_Emperor> Yes
[00:40:03] <Ratlin> per SE
[00:40:09] <ecks> ^
[00:40:17] <Imperators> Yes
[00:40:28] <exiledjedi> Yes
[00:40:54] <Ratlin> I'm interpreting ecks' ^ as a Yes
[00:40:58] <ecks> ^
[00:40:59] <Ratlin> Proposal carries
[00:41:02] <Ratlin> That's all
[00:41:03] <ecks> While we're all here, can we strike Kasra's objection here? http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Featured_article_nominations/Rook_Kast
[00:41:04] <Nuku-Nuku> Title: Wookieepedia:Featured article nominations/Rook Kast | Wookieepedia | FANDOM powered by Wikia (at starwars.wikia.com)
[00:41:22] <Ratlin> Oh, we have JS-4222whatever's ridiculous objection too
[00:41:25] <ecks> yeah
[00:41:26] <ecks> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Featured_article_nominations/B1-268
[00:41:27] <Nuku-Nuku> Title: Wookieepedia:Featured article nominations/B1-268 | Wookieepedia | FANDOM powered by Wikia (at starwars.wikia.com)
[00:41:33] <Ratlin> Yes to both
[00:41:38] <exiledjedi> Yes to both
[00:41:38] <ecks> yes to both
[00:41:56] <Supreme_Emperor> Yes and yes
[00:42:05] <Ratlin> Imperators?
[00:42:14] <Imperators> yes to Kasra's, and OMG yes to JS's
[00:42:18] <Ratlin> Both objections are hereby stricken
[00:42:21] <Ratlin> Looking at meeting duties
[00:42:23] <Supreme_Emperor> That is indeed one ridiculous objection 
[00:42:44] <Ratlin> Ok, we need to adjust the duties
[00:42:45] <Imperators> it's consistent with his style, at least
[00:42:57] <Ratlin> ecks, would you agree to take Cav's spot in the table, and Imperators take Floyd's?
[00:43:02] <Ratlin> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/Inquisitorius_bylaws
[00:43:03] <Nuku-Nuku> Title: Wookieepedia:Inq/Inquisitorius bylaws | Wookieepedia | FANDOM powered by Wikia (at starwars.wikia.com)
[00:43:25] <Ratlin> Actually
[00:43:30] <Ratlin> Yeah, that would work
[00:43:46] <Ratlin> I'll volunteer for GT's spots
[00:43:53] <ecks> how about the other way
[00:43:58] <ecks> so Imperators gets to schedule the next one :D
[00:44:01] <exiledjedi> I'll take Cade's spot.
[00:44:05] <Imperators> that sly ecks
[00:44:10] <ecks> rookie needs training
[00:44:15] <Imperators> I can schedule, whatever
[00:44:21] <Ratlin> It's agreed
[00:44:22] <ecks> excellent
[00:44:25] <Ratlin> So
[00:44:34] <Ratlin> Imperators schedules Meeting 84
[00:44:43] <Ratlin> Toprawa does paperwork
[00:44:49] <Ratlin> Meeting is adjourned 
[00:44:53] <Ratlin> Thank you all for coming