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Feb 23 18:00:11 <Riffsyphon1024>	I bid you all dark greetings...
Feb 23 18:00:15 *	Lord_Oblivion think we need to lose half the people here
Feb 23 18:00:16 *	Ataru bids everyone dark greetings also
Feb 23 18:00:18 <Azzt_Rhell>	Hi riff.
Feb 23 18:00:20 <Cull_Tremayne>	Come in later and ask general questions.
Feb 23 18:00:22 <Riffsyphon1024>	The mofference has officially started
Feb 23 18:00:22 *	JorrelFraajic follows suit.
Feb 23 18:00:24 <The4dotelipsis>	DARK GREETINGS!
Feb 23 18:00:27 <Maric>	brown?
Feb 23 18:00:28 <Ataru>	First topic:
Feb 23 18:00:29 <Joker1138>	hello delagtes of the Senate
Feb 23 18:00:32 *	Azzt_Rhell turs on the light over his computer.
Feb 23 18:00:35 <Inigo_Montoya>	MF is now red from rust.
Feb 23 18:00:36 <modmaster>	A: Black!
Feb 23 18:00:37 <Azzt_Rhell>	*turns
Feb 23 18:00:40 <Jaymach>	EVERYONE SHUT THE HELL UP SO WE CAN START
Feb 23 18:00:41 <--	Ataru has kicked Inigo_Montoya from #wookieepedia (Ataru)
Feb 23 18:00:45 <--	SillyDan has kicked modmaster from #wookieepedia (Kick)
Feb 23 18:00:46 <Jaymach>	jeez
Feb 23 18:00:46 <--	Ataru has kicked Azzt_Rhell from #wookieepedia (Ataru)
Feb 23 18:00:58 <Jaymach>	so the first topic is "How are we going to decide the debacle on the Grievous page concerning canonicity?"
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Feb 23 18:01:04 <The4dotelipsis>	We aren't.
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Feb 23 18:01:08 <Cull_Tremayne>	Ditto
Feb 23 18:01:08 <SillyDan>	we have a template for that.  the end
Feb 23 18:01:09 <Lord_Oblivion>	Nope
Feb 23 18:01:09 <jSarek>	Tis time, tis time!  Boil, boil, toil and trouble, fire burn and cauldron bubble!  Or, whattup, Dark Greetings, yo.
Feb 23 18:01:10 <Ataru>	Uh, let Chee and whoever else decide
Feb 23 18:01:10 <Jaymach>	agreed with that :P
Feb 23 18:01:17 <Ineedaname>	Someone needs to officially bid us all Dark Greetings
Feb 23 18:01:18 <JorrelFraajic>	Yes, Chee anwers.
Feb 23 18:01:21 <Riffsyphon1024>	What is the exact debacle?
Feb 23 18:01:23 <Ozzel>	What exactly is the debate? LOE vs. Clone Wars?
Feb 23 18:01:24 <Ineedaname>	And canon is Chee's job, not ours
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Feb 23 18:01:26 <Jaymach>	wasn't it stated that the Clone Wars was a holo representation of events?
Feb 23 18:01:29 <Jediknight2121>	Are there any comics or books that can reference to the conocity>?
Feb 23 18:01:32 <Jaymach>	or is that fan assumption?
Feb 23 18:01:35 <Ataru>	I dunno.
Feb 23 18:01:37 <Lord_Oblivion>	That  isn't the first topic :P
Feb 23 18:01:41 <Azzt_Rhell>	Is this Grevious?
Feb 23 18:01:43 <SillyDan>	Jaymach: fan assumption
Feb 23 18:01:44 <Joker1138>	fans more than likely
Feb 23 18:01:44 <JorrelFraajic>	No, it wasn't.
Feb 23 18:01:45 <Cull_Tremayne>	Yeah, Riff did that already.
Feb 23 18:01:46 <Jaymach>	thought so
Feb 23 18:01:51 <The4dotelipsis>	We should leave well enough alone until LucasFilm sorts out their stuff-ups.
Feb 23 18:01:52 <Ataru>	LO: It's the first important one
Feb 23 18:01:58 <Lord_Oblivion>	I know
Feb 23 18:01:58 <JorrelFraajic>	4dot is right.
Feb 23 18:02:02 *	Ataru agree with Fourdot
Feb 23 18:02:03 <Jediknight2121>	Well if its fan assumption for it than  we need soem work to fix that no?
Feb 23 18:02:10 <The4dotelipsis>	No.
Feb 23 18:02:10 <Jaymach>	we could just leave out any specific details
Feb 23 18:02:14 <Poiuy>	Keep both version with a warning label on each
Feb 23 18:02:15 *	Gonk agrees with 4dot too
Feb 23 18:02:16 <Jaymach>	and put the two accounts in the Bts section
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Feb 23 18:02:17 <The4dotelipsis>	The template should suffice.
Feb 23 18:02:18 <Ozzel>	I say write the article so that it is ambiguous enough to include both. Leave the details to BTS.
Feb 23 18:02:18 <Joker1138>	they will probably leave Grevious be for the forseable future
Feb 23 18:02:20 <Cull_Tremayne>	Yeah, we really don't need to do anything.
Feb 23 18:02:23 <Riffsyphon1024>	what hasnt been determined cannot be assumed
Feb 23 18:02:23 <JorrelFraajic>	Template's good.
Feb 23 18:02:26 <Jaymach>	(Ozzel): agreed :P
Feb 23 18:02:28 <Ataru>	Any disagreements with leaving it to Lucasfilm?
Feb 23 18:02:32 <Xwing328>	no
Feb 23 18:02:33 <JorrelFraajic>	None.
Feb 23 18:02:35 <Lord_Oblivion>	Next topic
Feb 23 18:02:35 <Ataru>	none
Feb 23 18:02:35 <Jediknight2121>	no
Feb 23 18:02:36 <Joker1138>	nopw
Feb 23 18:02:36 <Ineedaname>	No
Feb 23 18:02:38 <The4dotelipsis>	Ozzel: Second.
Feb 23 18:02:38 <Ataru>	Next topic
Feb 23 18:02:41 <Cull_Tremayne>	Stupid topic anyway.
Feb 23 18:02:42 <modmaster>	Why weren't there any ewok jedi? Or would they be better as sith? ...Evil Sith Ewoks with light sabers...
Feb 23 18:02:43 <Jediknight2121>	Lucasfilm can do it
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Feb 23 18:02:53 <JorrelFraajic>	Good.
Feb 23 18:02:57 <Riffsyphon1024>	erm ban him
Feb 23 18:03:01 <Riffsyphon1024>	oh good
Feb 23 18:03:04 <Ataru>	if he comes back, Iwill
Feb 23 18:03:05 <Poiuy>	Yes there can be, given time
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Feb 23 18:03:19 <Jediknight2121>	Next topic
Feb 23 18:03:19 <Jaymach>	there
Feb 23 18:03:19 <The4dotelipsis>	*snort*
Feb 23 18:03:20 <Lord_Oblivion>	Topic 3 is basically the same thing
Feb 23 18:03:21 <Jaymach>	he can't talk now
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Feb 23 18:03:33 <Jaymach>	the next topic is sort of the same
Feb 23 18:03:35 <Jaymach>	"Anyone up for settleing conflicting sources like LOE vs CW? I think that this is needed."
Feb 23 18:03:36 <JorrelFraajic>	Ok.
Feb 23 18:03:37 <Ozzel>	Yeah, same answer.
Feb 23 18:03:41 <The4dotelipsis>	No.
Feb 23 18:03:42 <JorrelFraajic>	Yep.
Feb 23 18:03:42 <Ataru>	Same answer
Feb 23 18:03:44 <Lord_Oblivion>	Next topic
Feb 23 18:03:45 <Jaymach>	so we can skip it, really
Feb 23 18:03:46 <Jaymach>	yeah
Feb 23 18:03:50 <JorrelFraajic>	We can't do anything about it.
Feb 23 18:03:50 <Riffsyphon1024>	leave it to LFL
Feb 23 18:03:54 <Ataru>	per Riff
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Feb 23 18:03:58 <The4dotelipsis>	Yes. Skip on grounds of - Is crap.
Feb 23 18:03:59 <JorrelFraajic>	per Riff.
Feb 23 18:03:59 <Jediknight2121>	I agree with Ataru
Feb 23 18:03:59 <Cull_Tremayne>	Those aren't topics, they're just whining people that don't understand that we don't determine canon on the site.
Feb 23 18:04:00 <Ozzel>	Perhaps one long article that details everything?
Feb 23 18:04:00 <Joker1138>	ok
Feb 23 18:04:04 <JackPhoenix>	Hey, can I join cab...I mean, Mofference too? ;)
Feb 23 18:04:07 <Jaymach>	in which case...the next topic is "Banning people from marking themselves as attending before they even know when it is." :P
Feb 23 18:04:13 <SillyDan>	Jack, you're in the Mofference now
Feb 23 18:04:13 <Jaymach>	in relation to the Mofference lol
Feb 23 18:04:14 <Ataru>	No
Feb 23 18:04:16 <Ozzel>	A "Battle of Coruscant controversy" article?
Feb 23 18:04:21 <Cull_Tremayne>	Yes.
Feb 23 18:04:22 <Ataru>	we have to discuss the Merchandise wiki
Feb 23 18:04:24 <Jaymach>	but I'm assuming it may be a joke topic :)
Feb 23 18:04:26 <jSarek>	More detail in Star Wars canon or on the Wookieepedia article, maybe?
Feb 23 18:04:33 <Xwing328>	joke topic
Feb 23 18:04:37 <Riffsyphon1024>	Merchandise Wiki, Jorrel?
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Feb 23 18:04:43 <Ataru>	It's on topic 4
Feb 23 18:04:56 <Ozzel>	Ban, no. But attenence should be posted without a date.
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Feb 23 18:04:58 <Jediknight2121>	Im for tlaking about Merchandise Wiki it has  practically nothing on it
Feb 23 18:04:58 <Jaymach>	ah
Feb 23 18:04:59 <The4dotelipsis>	Righty...is that the current topic?
Feb 23 18:05:01 <Ozzel>	*shouldn't
Feb 23 18:05:05 <miniman>	im here!
Feb 23 18:05:08 <Joker1138>	numaber all courscant bettles starting for the first regardles of which war they were fought in
Feb 23 18:05:08 <Jaymach>	then the topic is "We need to discuss the Merchandise Wiki; specifically, how it relates to us as a sister project. We need to figure out what will go where so that we can avoid any overlap."
Feb 23 18:05:10 <Lord_Oblivion>	Topiv 4 is crossed out
Feb 23 18:05:11 <Ataru>	Jaymach: give us topic
Feb 23 18:05:16 <Ataru>	Thank you
Feb 23 18:05:20 <Jaymach>	Ozzel is the one who put it up
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Feb 23 18:05:27 <JackPhoenix>	Yes, well...kinda. Just have to lurk here and watch...oh yeah, could somebody send me a private message or something with details how to registed this IRC nick? I'm so dumb I didn't get it on the info Jorrel posted.
Feb 23 18:05:27 <Ozzel>	Me, and Jorel later.
Feb 23 18:05:30 <Riffsyphon1024>	what goes on that wiki is anything that we wouldnt include in our articles
Feb 23 18:05:37 <Maric>	i think we shouldn't hold things like board games as canon
Feb 23 18:05:42 <Ozzel>	I just don't want us to be overlapping.
Feb 23 18:05:43 <The4dotelipsis>	OK, first I need to know this: JF: Will you have an article for a canon element and then a list of the products below?
Feb 23 18:05:45 <Joker1138>	i think MW is a bad idea
Feb 23 18:05:46 <Jediknight2121>	Well talk about the things in the Merchandise wiki  ie(the toys) as tey are toys and how they can be used and such
Feb 23 18:05:50 <The4dotelipsis>	On the MW.
Feb 23 18:05:52 <Gonk>	are books merchandise?
Feb 23 18:05:56 <Riffsyphon1024>	game mechanics there, storylines here
Feb 23 18:05:57 <Xwing328>	Toys are considered c-canon
Feb 23 18:05:59 <Ozzel>	I say Merchandise wiki should go to use for books, comics, games.
Feb 23 18:06:01 <Joker1138>	video games?
Feb 23 18:06:03 <miniman>	yes
Feb 23 18:06:03 <Ozzel>	*us
Feb 23 18:06:04 <Azzt_Rhell>	ya
Feb 23 18:06:06 <Jaymach>	Jorrel stated that they'd probably be setting up disambig pages at things like Luke Skywalker
Feb 23 18:06:06 <Ataru>	I don't care about the Merchandise wiki one way or the other
Feb 23 18:06:08 <Poiuy>	well, ignore them, there is supposed to be a bit of duplication.
Feb 23 18:06:10 <Jediknight2121>	MW yes tell how the toys are intenndted ages and prices
Feb 23 18:06:11 <Maric>	yea video games can be fuzzy
Feb 23 18:06:12 <Lord_Oblivion>	It's too late for your opinion on that, my friend
Feb 23 18:06:15 <Cull_Tremayne>	Did we...skip some topics?
Feb 23 18:06:16 <JorrelFraajic>	Ozzel: Good idea.
Feb 23 18:06:17 <Jaymach>	which would be a disambig for all Luke Skywalker figures and everything else
Feb 23 18:06:17 <Gonk>	so we won't have book articles anymore?
Feb 23 18:06:18 <Joker1138>	and MAster replicas?
Feb 23 18:06:19 <LtNOWIS>	Well, all of those "book cover galleries" could fall under the merchandise umbrella.
Feb 23 18:06:20 <JackPhoenix>	Go Merchandise Wiki! Whoo!
Feb 23 18:06:20 <JorrelFraajic>	Yes, Cull, we did.
Feb 23 18:06:23 <Ataru>	Cull: Topic 4
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Feb 23 18:06:27 <Jaymach>	we could simply link to that instead
Feb 23 18:06:29 <Poiuy>	I mean games, books, etc are just as canon
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Feb 23 18:06:34 <LtNOWIS>	We'd need articles for stories, because they've got canon in them.
Feb 23 18:06:36 <Jaymach>	rather than to many many different articles
Feb 23 18:06:37 <Riffsyphon1024>	thought I thought the Merchandise Wiki covered everything including C-3PO boxers
Feb 23 18:06:38 <miniman>	would movies be merchandise?
Feb 23 18:06:39 <Jediknight2121>	Well so how will we describe the items in the MW
Feb 23 18:06:41 <Ozzel>	But what about board games, action figures, and the ohter stuff that WE currently have?
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Feb 23 18:06:45 <Breathesgelati1>	ugh, computer
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Feb 23 18:06:45 <Breathesgelati1>	OK
Feb 23 18:06:45 <JorrelFraajic>	Riff is right. Everything.
Feb 23 18:06:46 <Ataru>	I say it's not our problem here.
Feb 23 18:06:50 <Breathesgelati1>	what are we discussing
Feb 23 18:06:51 <Joker1138>	See A bad idea
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Feb 23 18:06:55 <jSarek>	Toys have canon in them, too.
Feb 23 18:06:56 <The4dotelipsis>	Does it include the 3PO tape dispenser?
Feb 23 18:06:57 <Maric>	well some games like bounty hunter and KOTOr are good examples of canon games
Feb 23 18:07:01 <Joker1138>	where do we draw the line
Feb 23 18:07:03 <sbcrumb>	the y-wing is the workhorse of the rebellion
Feb 23 18:07:05 <Poiuy>	so books, tv series, games would stay here.
Feb 23 18:07:09 <JorrelFraajic>	4dot: eventually, maybe.
Feb 23 18:07:09 <Lord_Oblivion>	Is this lag, or is nobody saying anythibg?
Feb 23 18:07:10 <The4dotelipsis>	Most games are canon.
Feb 23 18:07:13 <Xwing328>	Wookieepedia = for anything related to canon. The majority of merchandise does not contribute new canon
Feb 23 18:07:14 <Azzt_Rhell>	lAG.
Feb 23 18:07:17 <JorrelFraajic>	lag
Feb 23 18:07:17 <sbcrumb>	you guys suck
Feb 23 18:07:17 <Riffsyphon1024>	games, books, and other canon will overlap, we cant avoid that
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Feb 23 18:07:18 <Lord_Oblivion>	*anything
Feb 23 18:07:20 <Ataru>	Per Xwing328
Feb 23 18:07:21 <Jaymach>	People
Feb 23 18:07:25 <Jaymach>	stop talking about random crap
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Feb 23 18:07:32 <Jaymach>	we're here to discuss specific topics
Feb 23 18:07:33 <Ozzel>	I really think we ned to limit the Wookiee to stuff that contributes to canon. Anything else goes to M-Wiki.
Feb 23 18:07:36 <breathes>	what is the topic?
Feb 23 18:07:37 <JorrelFraajic>	Understood.
Feb 23 18:07:40 <Ataru>	Per Ozzel
Feb 23 18:07:41 <breathes>	I just got here/computer issues
Feb 23 18:07:45 <Riffsyphon1024>	but merchandise can double as RebelScum Part II
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Feb 23 18:07:48 <JorrelFraajic>	Per Ozzel.
Feb 23 18:07:48 <Ataru>	Jaymach: Change the topic at the top please
Feb 23 18:07:55 <Xwing328>	yes...it does double sometimes
Feb 23 18:07:55 <Cull_Tremayne>	(Ozzel): Agree.
Feb 23 18:07:56 <JorrelFraajic>	Yes, do.
Feb 23 18:08:05 <jSarek>	How do we determine what contributes to canon?  It is all canonical, after all.
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Feb 23 18:08:10 <Poiuy>	I mean you can't ignore 90% of Dark Forces just cause most of Katarn is in a game, or Jango, or ... you get that
Feb 23 18:08:17 <The4dotelipsis>	Action Figures, underwear.
Feb 23 18:08:18 <Ozzel>	I just think M-wiki shouldn't even have articles on books & comics.
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Feb 23 18:08:20 <JorrelFraajic>	Non-repetative informatopm/
Feb 23 18:08:22 <Cull_Tremayne>	Please stay on topic.
Feb 23 18:08:22 <Jaymach>	(Poiuy): STOP discussing random issues
Feb 23 18:08:25 <miniman>	movies?
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Feb 23 18:08:27 <Riffsyphon1024>	well Han Solo with a big rocket launcher is just for a figure, not anon
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Feb 23 18:08:35 <JainaSolo>	Breathes: Star Wars Merchandise Wiki
Feb 23 18:08:35 <Maric>	yea
Feb 23 18:08:39 <Riffsyphon1024>	canon*
Feb 23 18:08:40 <Inigo_Montoya>	We're discussing the SW Merchandise Wiki
Feb 23 18:08:42 <breathes>	OK.
Feb 23 18:08:45 <Jediknight2121>	I agree no books or comics jsut toys and action figures and Memorbilia? any one agree with me??
Feb 23 18:08:47 <Azzt_Rhell>	Ah.
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Feb 23 18:08:49 <ywing4eva>	i have a higher midichlorian count than anakin
Feb 23 18:08:52 <JorrelFraajic>	What about it's status with Wookieepedia?
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Feb 23 18:08:57 <breathes>	and what goes on it vs. what goes on wookieepedia?
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Feb 23 18:09:06 <miniman>	yes jediknight2121 is right
Feb 23 18:09:07 <Jediknight2121>	Jediknight2121> I agree no books or comics jsut toys and action figures and Memorbilia? any one agree with me??
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Feb 23 18:09:09 <Xwing328>	We already decided in the CT to link to SWMW articles and vice versa
Feb 23 18:09:10 <breathes>	I viewed it as a collecting wiki
Feb 23 18:09:15 <breathes>	but maybe that's not really the intent
Feb 23 18:09:17 <Ataru>	I agree.
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Feb 23 18:09:19 <breathes>	something like rebelscum
Feb 23 18:09:19 <JorrelFraajic>	Like, is it considered a sister wiki?
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Feb 23 18:09:20 <The4dotelipsis>	We should wait until it is better established before we even think of linking to it.
Feb 23 18:09:22 <jSarek>	If it's the Merchandise Wiki, it should *also* have any book or comic articles.  They're merchandise, after all.
Feb 23 18:09:22 <Ozzel>	I say we call it our sister wiki, and I would love to see "External links" between the two.
Feb 23 18:09:23 <Maric>	yea same here
Feb 23 18:09:24 <breathes>	only that everyone could edit
Feb 23 18:09:25 <Jesse__>	No books and comics, I agree as well.
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Feb 23 18:09:36 <Maric>	yea
Feb 23 18:09:37 <Xwing328>	Ozzel - same here
Feb 23 18:09:40 <Ozzel>	But yes, let's do let it get off the ground first.
Feb 23 18:09:42 <JorrelFraajic>	Ozzel: What I thought exactly.
Feb 23 18:09:46 <JorrelFraajic>	To both.
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Feb 23 18:09:52 <Ataru>	I agree with sister links, but i really don't care about the wiki
Feb 23 18:09:52 <Riffsyphon1024>	yes sister wiki
Feb 23 18:09:56 <Joker1138>	ok
Feb 23 18:10:00 <miniman>	ok
Feb 23 18:10:00 <zalpizar>	Who here hates C-3PO as much as us
Feb 23 18:10:00 <JackPhoenix>	Action figures, Master Replicas, games...at least those should be in SWMW. Actually, most stuff could go there, including books and such...
Feb 23 18:10:04 <zalpizar>	Huh?
Feb 23 18:10:05 <breathes>	I think we can reach the collecting community this way
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Feb 23 18:10:08 <jSarek>	That's about my stance, Ataru.
Feb 23 18:10:09 <Riffsyphon1024>	off topic zal
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Feb 23 18:10:11 <Xwing328>	So any objections to sister wiki status instead of Official Friends?
Feb 23 18:10:11 <Jediknight2121>	But hers my point people if u agree say i lol but on the MW talk about the toys as in how durable they are as toys and where can u buy them and  is it a good collectible and  differnt types of colours designs they are and such
Feb 23 18:10:12 <Maric>	maybee the MW could set like prices for the books and such
Feb 23 18:10:20 <breathes>	by getting those people to contribute to the merchandise wiki
Feb 23 18:10:21 <miniman>	nope
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Feb 23 18:10:26 <Riffsyphon1024>	same for the fanon wiki?
Feb 23 18:10:27 <The4dotelipsis>	MW OF status = I agree.
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Feb 23 18:10:30 <Azzt_Rhell>	Prices vary.
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Feb 23 18:10:32 <The4dotelipsis>	FW can go to hell.
Feb 23 18:10:34 <Ozzel>	I guess the overlap thing is something that'll have to be worked out over there.
Feb 23 18:10:38 <Ineedaname>	Kick BigShanter
Feb 23 18:10:39 <BigShanter>	IF someone kicks me off I swear to Yoda....
Feb 23 18:10:41 <QuentinGeorge>	Tut, tut, I finally made one of these.
Feb 23 18:10:42 <miniman>	lol
Feb 23 18:10:42 <Ataru>	Riff: I agree- same with Fanon wiki. We tell people to go there for stuff
Feb 23 18:10:43 <Riffsyphon1024>	still a sister project
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Feb 23 18:10:52 <Joker1138>	some people have other wikis to manage let alone adding another star wars one to deal with
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Feb 23 18:10:53 <Maric>	yea
Feb 23 18:10:55 <Ataru>	so we tell them to go to MW for Merchandidse stuff
Feb 23 18:10:55 <The4dotelipsis>	Hey, QG.
Feb 23 18:10:57 <jSarek>	I'm comfortable sistering instead of friending.
Feb 23 18:11:03 <BigShanter>	Merchandise
Feb 23 18:11:04 <Cull_Tremayne>	Ditto
Feb 23 18:11:05 <Ataru>	per jSarek
Feb 23 18:11:07 <JorrelFraajic>	So, what about the SWGaming wiki, if it goes through?
Feb 23 18:11:09 <The4dotelipsis>	Sista!
Feb 23 18:11:12 <Jediknight2121>	True prices vary but use an estimate and tell how the toy has an effect in the SW universe and What Generation of SW it is from ie Imperial empire era or New Republic era
Feb 23 18:11:13 <Joker1138>	no no no
Feb 23 18:11:15 <Maric>	no
Feb 23 18:11:16 <miniman>	sister sister!
Feb 23 18:11:19 <BigShanter>	I kick off everyone whos still a virgin
Feb 23 18:11:25 <miniman>	lol
Feb 23 18:11:25 <Riffsyphon1024>	wikis should be excluded from Official Friend status because theyre all sister projects
Feb 23 18:11:27 <Cull_Tremayne>	Yeah...
Feb 23 18:11:29 ---	Ataru sets ban on *!i=44c0fd34@*.wikia.com/x-b42cd4467432447a
Feb 23 18:11:30 <Ozzel>	Right.
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Feb 23 18:11:32 <JorrelFraajic>	Riff is right.
Feb 23 18:11:32 <QuentinGeorge>	Indeed....
Feb 23 18:11:33 <Xwing328>	Jediknight2121 - details about pricing can be worked out over on the SWMW
Feb 23 18:11:35 <Jesse__>	Shut up and stay on topic.
Feb 23 18:11:36 <The4dotelipsis>	BS: ...BS. Exactly.
Feb 23 18:11:37 <Maric>	yea i agree
Feb 23 18:11:38 <Joker1138>	could go to far and lead to the fragmentation of Star Wars WIki
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Feb 23 18:11:46 <jSarek>	Per Riffsy.
Feb 23 18:11:50 <Riffsyphon1024>	too late joker
Feb 23 18:11:51 <Jediknight2121>	Yes i agree with u XWIng
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Feb 23 18:11:56 <Xwing328>	Per Riff
Feb 23 18:11:56 <Cull_Tremayne>	Way too many sister wikis as of late anyway.
Feb 23 18:11:57 ---	Jaymach removes ban on *i=44c0fd34@gat*!*@*
Feb 23 18:12:05 <Ataru>	So what's the consensus?
Feb 23 18:12:07 <Maric>	yea thats what i said
Feb 23 18:12:08 <JorrelFraajic>	Splinter wikis are different than specialized wikis, though.
Feb 23 18:12:08 <breathes>	yes, per Riff
Feb 23 18:12:15 <jSarek>	I agree, but if the wiki's gotten made, we can't just ignor it.
Feb 23 18:12:16 <Joker1138>	if it exists them ok
Feb 23 18:12:17 <miniman>	yea
Feb 23 18:12:17 <JainaSolo>	Per Riff
Feb 23 18:12:18 <Ozzel>	Yeah, as for these other splinter wikis: nonsense.
Feb 23 18:12:19 <Ataru>	I mean, I won't work on it, but I think we should sister it
Feb 23 18:12:19 <Xwing328>	How do we decide what is an official sister wiki?
Feb 23 18:12:19 <Riffsyphon1024>	sister project is my vote, same for fanon wiki
Feb 23 18:12:20 <The4dotelipsis>	Wait until establishement, I suppose.
Feb 23 18:12:22 <Ataru>	since we already made it
Feb 23 18:12:26 <Jediknight2121>	So than describe the merchandise in how it is used in the Galaxy and such but not to the point of  how it is in the originial wiki
Feb 23 18:12:32 <Ineedaname>	SoTE and KoTOR = splinter wikis
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Feb 23 18:12:37 <JorrelFraajic>	Yes.
Feb 23 18:12:38 <The4dotelipsis>	Fanon Wiki should go through OF vote.
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Feb 23 18:12:43 <breathes>	what does SoTE stand for?
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Feb 23 18:12:47 <Maric>	yea
Feb 23 18:12:48 <Azzt_Rhell>	idk.
Feb 23 18:12:49 <Xwing328>	shadows of the empire
Feb 23 18:12:49 <Jaymach>	Shadows of the Empire
Feb 23 18:12:50 <The4dotelipsis>	Shadows of the Empire.
Feb 23 18:12:51 <Xwing328>	lol
Feb 23 18:12:51 <jSarek>	Shadows of the Empire
Feb 23 18:12:53 <Ozzel>	I don't think Fanon should be a sister project. More like second cousin.
Feb 23 18:12:54 <breathes>	thank you
Feb 23 18:12:54 <Azzt_Rhell>	Ah.
Feb 23 18:12:54 <Ineedaname>	Breathes: Shadows of the Empire
Feb 23 18:12:54 <Gonk>	agree w/ineed
Feb 23 18:12:56 <Ataru>	breathes: stay on topic
Feb 23 18:13:10 <The4dotelipsis>	I got first!
Feb 23 18:13:10 <Cull_Tremayne>	We should try to eliminate that KOTOR wiki anyway.
Feb 23 18:13:10 <Riffsyphon1024>	SOTE and KOTOR unnecessary because we can cover everything there as well
Feb 23 18:13:10 <JorrelFraajic>	Yes.
Feb 23 18:13:10 <Joker1138>	no to SOTE
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Feb 23 18:13:11 <Ataru>	We shouldn't care about them at all
Feb 23 18:13:13 <JorrelFraajic>	I say no to both.
Feb 23 18:13:14 <The4dotelipsis>	No one will use the KOTOR wiki anyway.
Feb 23 18:13:15 <QuentinGeorge>	I don't understand the point of theSOTE and KOTOR wikis...what's covered there that isn't covered here?
Feb 23 18:13:20 <Cull_Tremayne>	Nothing
Feb 23 18:13:20 <JorrelFraajic>	Exactly.
Feb 23 18:13:23 <miniman>	i say delete both
Feb 23 18:13:23 <Azzt_Rhell>	good point.
Feb 23 18:13:23 <Maric>	yea no to SOTE
Feb 23 18:13:24 <Jaymach>	(QuentinGeorge): nothing
Feb 23 18:13:25 <SillyDan>	KOTOR could cover game mods
Feb 23 18:13:28 <Ataru>	We don't want them here, but we can't do anything about it
Feb 23 18:13:28 <JackPhoenix>	Fanon is a sister project or at least listed on Wikia's SW project list, if memory serves me correct.
Feb 23 18:13:30 <The4dotelipsis>	It's a group of Strong Christians who want to be admins of something.
Feb 23 18:13:30 <Jaymach>	in fact, the KOTOR wiki steals our content
Feb 23 18:13:30 <Azzt_Rhell>	Meh.
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Feb 23 18:13:35 <jSarek>	Bah, Fanon Wiki is our best friend.  Every time we get a creative soul who doesn't get the point of our Wiki we have a place to send them.
Feb 23 18:13:35 <Jaymach>	but this is hardly on topic
Feb 23 18:13:36 <JorrelFraajic>	SWGaming wiki would do that
Feb 23 18:13:37 <Herbsewell>	Yes we can...
Feb 23 18:13:40 <sannse>	they were intended to be specifically for games I understant
Feb 23 18:13:40 <Cull_Tremayne>	It's just a project so younger users can have some sense of power on their "own" wiki.
Feb 23 18:13:40 <Joker1138>	with the argument we have over the Exiles gender, it would be a war zone
Feb 23 18:13:44 <Ozzel>	The point is, people can be admins there that aren't here.
Feb 23 18:13:49 <JorrelFraajic>	Yes.
Feb 23 18:13:51 <Riffsyphon1024>	its quinlanfan that started all that
Feb 23 18:13:52 <The4dotelipsis>	The Fanon Wiki is a harem.
Feb 23 18:13:53 <Ataru>	I'm about to start kicking if we don't get bac on topic
Feb 23 18:13:54 <JorrelFraajic>	Namely, Quinlanfan.
Feb 23 18:14:01 <Ataru>	Topic is: MERCHANDISE WIKI
Feb 23 18:14:07 <Herbsewell>	Well he's not going to get he wiki passed
Feb 23 18:14:07 <Maric>	yea we off topic
Feb 23 18:14:10 <Ataru>	not KotOR Wiki, not SotE wiki
Feb 23 18:14:11 <miniman>	not all the other wikis
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Feb 23 18:14:13 <Riffsyphon1024>	yes ataru sorry
Feb 23 18:14:15 <The4dotelipsis>	Yes, topic: Wait until Merchandise Wiki is established before we start linking.
Feb 23 18:14:18 <The4dotelipsis>	IMO.
Feb 23 18:14:19 <Cull_Tremayne>	Yeah, that topic is basically kaput.
Feb 23 18:14:20 <Gonk>	me 2
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Feb 23 18:14:22 <breathes>	anyway, I say we requie a vote on official friending any other wikis besides the merchandising one--including SoTE and KOTOR and fanon
Feb 23 18:14:23 <jediknight2121>	Why did you Boot me Ataru?
Feb 23 18:14:27 <Ozzel>	When is it "established"?
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Feb 23 18:14:33 <jediknight2121>	Back on topic now sorry
Feb 23 18:14:34 <Ataru>	because you were talking off-topic
Feb 23 18:14:37 <Xwing328>	breathes - agreed
Feb 23 18:14:38 <JorrelFraajic>	What established?
Feb 23 18:14:42 <The4dotelipsis>	When it's got a good amount of articles and is useful.
Feb 23 18:14:44 <JackPhoenix>	Yes, merch wiki needs more stuff before it is advertised so much.
Feb 23 18:14:45 <Ozzel>	1,000 articles?
Feb 23 18:14:50 <Maric>	yea
Feb 23 18:14:51 <JorrelFraajic>	Breathes is right.
Feb 23 18:14:51 <Ozzel>	2 months?
Feb 23 18:14:54 <Ataru>	Breathes: I agree that we need to have an official vote
Feb 23 18:14:55 <Riffsyphon1024>	merch already has been established hasnt it
Feb 23 18:14:55 <Herbsewell>	more like 200
Feb 23 18:14:59 <Xwing328>	500 articles
Feb 23 18:15:01 <The4dotelipsis>	Is a JackPhoenix the same as a Jack Nebulax?
Feb 23 18:15:02 <miniman>	2 MONTHS!!
Feb 23 18:15:04 <Joker1138>	This is STAR WARS wiki and should cover all topics, and cover them well, if that were the case then there would be no need for MW
Feb 23 18:15:06 <jSarek>	He's going to be evil about booting nontopic folk, as he promised, JediKnight.
Feb 23 18:15:07 <JorrelFraajic>	Riff: Yes.
Feb 23 18:15:08 <Xwing328>	4dot - no
Feb 23 18:15:09 <jediknight2121>	500 articles is a good amount no?
Feb 23 18:15:12 <Herbsewell>	no
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Feb 23 18:15:16 <JorrelFraajic>	no.
Feb 23 18:15:21 <Herbsewell>	no
Feb 23 18:15:21 <JackPhoenix>	JackPhoenix = Jack Phoenix, NOT NEBULAX!
Feb 23 18:15:24 <breathes>	Merchandising wiki is different because its establishment was voted on by the community
Feb 23 18:15:28 <miniman>	i like ozzels idea of 1000
Feb 23 18:15:28 <Ozzel>	I suppoe we could just vote if it is "ready" when the time comes.
Feb 23 18:15:30 <breathes>	but the others must be approved.
Feb 23 18:15:31 <JorrelFraajic>	Yes.
Feb 23 18:15:32 <Ataru>	fourdot: be on topic
Feb 23 18:15:32 <jediknight2121>	Breathes i agree
Feb 23 18:15:34 <Riffsyphon1024>	as long as Wookieepedia doesnt sacrifice its articles for other wikis, im fine with them
Feb 23 18:15:36 <Azzt_Rhell>	1k sounds good.
Feb 23 18:15:39 <jSarek>	Joker:  Agreed, nut we've been overruled.
Feb 23 18:15:40 <Ataru>	per Riff
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Feb 23 18:15:45 <JackPhoenix>	Darn you people...Jack's a common name. (sorry for OT)
Feb 23 18:15:47 <The4dotelipsis>	Apologies.
Feb 23 18:15:48 <QuentinGeorge>	I got no beef against the merchandise wiki. Seems like it serves as purpose, as does fanon...
Feb 23 18:15:49 <SillyDan>	Breathes is right
Feb 23 18:15:49 <Maric>	yea i agree 1k
Feb 23 18:15:50 <Joker1138>	yeah, oh well...
Feb 23 18:15:52 <jediknight2121>	Who votes than 1k articles?
Feb 23 18:15:57 <Maric>	me
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Feb 23 18:15:59 <jediknight2121>	i vote for it
Feb 23 18:16:02 <Ineedaname>	Seems a bit much to me
Feb 23 18:16:04 <Lord_Oblivion>	Damn it
Feb 23 18:16:06 <Jesse__>	With the merch wiki, maybe with the toys, board games, clothing, models, etc. They should get quite a few articles pretty quickly.
Feb 23 18:16:06 <Xwing328>	a bit much
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Feb 23 18:16:08 <miniman>	i vote for it
Feb 23 18:16:13 <Ataru>	Jaymach: New topic please. We'll sort this out in a vote
Feb 23 18:16:16 <Riffsyphon1024>	they may reach that number, theres alot of toys
Feb 23 18:16:17 <Jaymach>	okay :)
Feb 23 18:16:20 <Jaymach>	next topic is "Should we be using fair use images outside of the main article namespace? (Hint: probably not)"
Feb 23 18:16:22 <Ataru>	for Official Friendship
Feb 23 18:16:22 <Azzt_Rhell>	Heh.
Feb 23 18:16:29 <JorrelFraajic>	Oh boy.
Feb 23 18:16:31 <The4dotelipsis>	Probably not.
Feb 23 18:16:33 <jediknight2121>	With realease of new games and toys comming out also it will add up fast from new cartoon serious and such
Feb 23 18:16:34 <Jaymach>	it was suggested by Sentry, who has since left the site
Feb 23 18:16:35 <Ozzel>	Bah, he left. Next topic? :-p
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Feb 23 18:16:37 <Cull_Tremayne>	Well the whole Will fiasco probably summed that up pretty well.
Feb 23 18:16:38 <JorrelFraajic>	Probably not.
Feb 23 18:16:39 ---	Xwing328 has changed the topic to: Mofference topic: Fair use images outside main article namespace
Feb 23 18:16:39 <Azzt_Rhell>	Read:Hint....
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Feb 23 18:16:42 <miniman>	we shouldnt
Feb 23 18:16:45 <Jaymach>	but basically he was asking if we should be using them in templates and such
Feb 23 18:16:48 <Ineedaname>	Only if we get legitimate complaints
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Feb 23 18:16:49 <Karohalva>	Hello. I'm back. What did I miss?
Feb 23 18:16:50 <Ataru>	Jaymach: Clarify fair use for those who don't know
Feb 23 18:16:51 <JorrelFraajic>	But, too bad.
Feb 23 18:16:51 <sannse>	A fan site is very different from a free encyclopeida
Feb 23 18:16:54 <Ozzel>	Yes, by all means, yea.
Feb 23 18:16:56 <Riffsyphon1024>	eh....
Feb 23 18:16:57 <SillyDan>	sannse implied on the central wikia it was OK, right?
Feb 23 18:17:00 <Joker1138>	yes
Feb 23 18:17:02 <Cull_Tremayne>	Yeah, and we basically just said, "Screw that, we'll do what we want."
Feb 23 18:17:03 <JorrelFraajic>	yes.
Feb 23 18:17:04 <Xwing328>	yes
Feb 23 18:17:10 <miniman>	yes
Feb 23 18:17:12 <jediknight2121>	Well with fan sites alot of fanon comes into play which is hard to control
Feb 23 18:17:13 <JorrelFraajic>	Which is the right answer.
Feb 23 18:17:19 <JackPhoenix>	I think fair use images could be used on templates...maybe not on userpages though...
Feb 23 18:17:24 <Ozzel>	Yes, if LFL comes a-knockin', then we'll do something about.
Feb 23 18:17:27 <breathes>	I don't fully understand this issue
Feb 23 18:17:28 <Xwing328>	ditto
Feb 23 18:17:30 <Joker1138>	why not??
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Feb 23 18:17:31 <JorrelFraajic>	per Ozzel.
Feb 23 18:17:33 <QuentinGeorge>	If TFN can use it for its discussion board headers, and user icons, and all the rest, then I think LFL turns a blind eye.
Feb 23 18:17:35 <JainaSolo>	Jack: Why not?
Feb 23 18:17:36 <The4dotelipsis>	As per Ozzel.
Feb 23 18:17:36 <sannse>	I said that I couldn't give a definative answer, but that Wikipedia's norms do not need to apply everywhere
Feb 23 18:17:37 <breathes>	so I have no opinion until it's explained to me
Feb 23 18:17:39 <Riffsyphon1024>	Will Pittenger cannot tell us what to do as Wikia has said nothing
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Feb 23 18:17:42 <QuentinGeorge>	If LFL ask for us to remove them, then we remove them.
Feb 23 18:17:45 <Ataru>	Per QG
Feb 23 18:17:49 <miniman>	i was here for 20 minutes but i got to go to baseball practice
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Feb 23 18:17:52 <Riffsyphon1024>	nor LFL
Feb 23 18:17:53 <Joker1138>	Fair image should mean FAIR image, use anywhere
Feb 23 18:17:55 <miniman>	bye all
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Feb 23 18:17:58 <JorrelFraajic>	per QG and Ozzel.
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Feb 23 18:18:01 <Ineedaname>	Wikipedia are paranoid about copyright and images
Feb 23 18:18:02 <jSarek>	Should we come up with a different licensing template for our images?
Feb 23 18:18:10 <Ataru>	Why?
Feb 23 18:18:10 <JorrelFraajic>	hmm...
Feb 23 18:18:13 <Jaymach>	I imagine we should, yes
Feb 23 18:18:20 <sannse>	as far as I am concerned, this isn't an issue unless or until we have a complaint from the copyright holders to tell us it is
Feb 23 18:18:21 <Jesse__>	We should get rid of them only if they tell us to.
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Feb 23 18:18:28 <JorrelFraajic>	per sannse
Feb 23 18:18:28 <Cull_Tremayne>	Our licensing template as is is not good enough?
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Feb 23 18:18:30 <sannse>	generally they seem to be fine about fan sites
Feb 23 18:18:32 <Riffsyphon1024>	Wikipedia has to keep up with alot of different things, We are single use, single topic, better maintained
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Feb 23 18:18:35 <Jediknight2121>	I was on topic i was talking about fanon on fan encyclopedias and templates
Feb 23 18:18:35 <Maric>	yea we
Feb 23 18:18:45 <jSarek>	Something more accurate, like "This wiki uses copyrighted images.  At this time, we have not been given permission, and should the copyright holder ask for their removal, this picture may be deleted without notice?"
Feb 23 18:18:46 <Cull_Tremayne>	Yeah, that's not the topic.
Feb 23 18:18:48 <Lord_Oblivion>	How long till Chatzilla craps out on me again
Feb 23 18:18:49 <Ataru>	Jediknight2121: Not really. That's not the topic. So pay attention
Feb 23 18:18:54 <Jaymach>	so shall we agree that it's okay to use them until Lucas Licensing tell us not to?
Feb 23 18:18:59 <LtNOWIS>	yeah
Feb 23 18:19:01 <Ataru>	Jaymach: yes
Feb 23 18:19:02 <JorrelFraajic>	Yes.
Feb 23 18:19:02 <Joker1138>	yeah
Feb 23 18:19:02 <Herbsewell>	Chatzilla never fails
Feb 23 18:19:06 <Jesse__>	Yes.
Feb 23 18:19:06 <Jaymach>	at which point we'll immediately remove them
Feb 23 18:19:06 <Inigo_Montoya>	I agree, JediKnight has been blocked improperly.
Feb 23 18:19:06 <JorrelFraajic>	per Jaymach.
Feb 23 18:19:06 <Ineedaname>	Yes
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Feb 23 18:19:11 <Xwing328>	Jaymach - yes
Feb 23 18:19:11 <Riffsyphon1024>	LFL has to order us first
Feb 23 18:19:12 <Jakerl>	yes
Feb 23 18:19:13 <Herbsewell>	what
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Feb 23 18:19:19 <Jaymach>	move on to the next topic then?
Feb 23 18:19:20 <Ataru>	yes
Feb 23 18:19:21 <Cull_Tremayne>	He hasn't been blocked.
Feb 23 18:19:22 <JorrelFraajic>	Yes.
Feb 23 18:19:23 <Jediknight2121>	new topic sir
Feb 23 18:19:24 <Joker1138>	yep
Feb 23 18:19:27 <Azzt_Rhell>	Azzt oput.
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Feb 23 18:19:32 <Jesse__>	Yeah, it's pretty much unanimous.
Feb 23 18:19:32 <Herbsewell>	yes, new topic
Feb 23 18:19:32 ---	Jaymach has changed the topic to: De-adminship process. What do we do with "lost" admins?
Feb 23 18:19:35 <Lord_Oblivion>	Gah! Too fast!!!
Feb 23 18:19:37 <Riffsyphon1024>	but they dont complain to other sites as long as credit is given, they like having their name out there
Feb 23 18:19:38 <Ataru>	Aka Sentry
Feb 23 18:19:40 <The4dotelipsis>	Send them to hell!
Feb 23 18:19:42 <breathes>	I say nothing.
Feb 23 18:19:45 <JorrelFraajic>	Remove them.
Feb 23 18:19:45 <SillyDan>	Nothing
Feb 23 18:19:45 <Joker1138>	strip of power
Feb 23 18:19:46 <Cull_Tremayne>	Nothing.
Feb 23 18:19:48 <JackPhoenix>	Lost admins? Remove admin rights.
Feb 23 18:19:48 <Ataru>	Nothing
Feb 23 18:19:49 <Jediknight2121>	I say nothing as i have no knowledge of it
Feb 23 18:19:49 <Cull_Tremayne>	What should we do?
Feb 23 18:19:49 <Herbsewell>	Nothing.
Feb 23 18:19:50 <Jaymach>	I don't think we should do anything, personally
Feb 23 18:19:50 <Lord_Oblivion>	I agree with 4dot
Feb 23 18:19:53 <breathes>	they may choose to come back and contribute
Feb 23 18:19:55 <Jesse__>	Strip rights.
Feb 23 18:19:56 <Riffsyphon1024>	who's a lost admin
Feb 23 18:19:56 <SillyDan>	De-adminship on wikis is rare, actually
Feb 23 18:19:57 <Gonk>	wait and see
Feb 23 18:19:58 <The4dotelipsis>	Mark them.
Feb 23 18:19:59 <QuentinGeorge>	Leave em. They may come back.
Feb 23 18:20:02 <JorrelFraajic>	But, if they come back, grant them some leniency.
Feb 23 18:20:02 <LtNOWIS>	I say nothing.
Feb 23 18:20:02 <Xwing328>	Since Sentry decided to leave, he should be deadmined. If real life interferes, don't worry about it. There status hurts nothing.
Feb 23 18:20:03 <breathes>	do nothing unless they specifically ask for removal
Feb 23 18:20:07 <Jaymach>	if they deserved adminship at one point, then there's no reason not to let them keep it really
Feb 23 18:20:08 <The4dotelipsis>	Actually, Blacklist them.
Feb 23 18:20:10 <jSarek>	Leave them be.  Doesn't hurt the software to have a lot of them, and just because they leave dosn't mean they haven't earned our trust.
Feb 23 18:20:12 <Ineedaname>	De-admin if they say they're never coming back
Feb 23 18:20:14 <JorrelFraajic>	per Xwing.
Feb 23 18:20:14 <Maric>	i agree with breathes
Feb 23 18:20:17 <Cull_Tremayne>	Sentry's a lost admin, some of our older admins are basically "lost".
Feb 23 18:20:19 <Joker1138>	only if they hevnt been here for MOUNTHS
Feb 23 18:20:20 <sannse>	deadmin requires staff
Feb 23 18:20:24 <Riffsyphon1024>	Sentry may be temporary
Feb 23 18:20:27 <Karohalva>	I make a motion that the less experienced Wookieepedians (that means myself) be told what a "lost" admin is!
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Feb 23 18:20:28 <sannse>	and we don't see the need
Feb 23 18:20:30 <Cull_Tremayne>	Wow, how do you misspell months?
Feb 23 18:20:32 <The4dotelipsis>	Well, Sentry can stick it.
Feb 23 18:20:33 <breathes>	just from admining other sites
Feb 23 18:20:34 <LtNOWIS>	Doesn't Imp leave periodically?
Feb 23 18:20:35 <Joker1138>	sorry
Feb 23 18:20:37 <Maric>	yea there should be a time limit
Feb 23 18:20:41 <QuentinGeorge>	Lost Admin = Admin who hasn't been active for months
Feb 23 18:20:42 <SillyDan>	Lost admin == Admin who hasn't been seen in months
Feb 23 18:20:42 <Riffsyphon1024>	Imp comes back
Feb 23 18:20:43 <Ataru>	I agree with Ineedaname. Lost admins for what period of time though?
Feb 23 18:20:46 <Karohalva>	Thank you.
Feb 23 18:20:47 <The4dotelipsis>	But Imp is a good person.
Feb 23 18:20:48 <Jesse__>	1 1/2 months.
Feb 23 18:20:49 <breathes>	I think it's wise to keep your admins unless they ask to be removed
Feb 23 18:20:49 <Lord_Oblivion>	Who cares? :P
Feb 23 18:20:50 <Ataru>	Imp does come back
Feb 23 18:20:51 *	sannse repeats
Feb 23 18:20:53 <Herbsewell>	In fact Whiteboy never comes here
Feb 23 18:20:55 <breathes>	otherwise, drama can ensue
Feb 23 18:20:55 <sannse>	deadmin requires staff
Feb 23 18:20:56 <sannse>	and we don't see the need
Feb 23 18:20:58 <Cull_Tremayne>	We don't need to do anything
Feb 23 18:21:00 <breathes>	there's no reason to punish people
Feb 23 18:21:01 <Joker1138>	2 Months
Feb 23 18:21:01 <Ataru>	sannse: okay
Feb 23 18:21:03 <The4dotelipsis>	WhiteBoy was just on his talkpage.
Feb 23 18:21:03 <Jaymach>	ah :)
Feb 23 18:21:04 <JorrelFraajic>	True, sannse.
Feb 23 18:21:05 <Riffsyphon1024>	even Chad shows up (WhiteBoy) periocally
Feb 23 18:21:06 <Herbsewell>	Why don't we just get rid of him?
Feb 23 18:21:06 <breathes>	it might come off as vindictive
Feb 23 18:21:08 <Jaymach>	then the point is moot
Feb 23 18:21:08 <Ataru>	Okay, sannse said no, so we don't do it
Feb 23 18:21:10 *	Herbsewell is trying to make a point
Feb 23 18:21:10 <Xwing328>	that decides that then
Feb 23 18:21:15 <JorrelFraajic>	Yep.
Feb 23 18:21:15 <Maric>	3 mounths inactivity
Feb 23 18:21:16 <Jaymach>	sannse says no, the answer is nothing :)
Feb 23 18:21:16 <breathes>	per sannse
Feb 23 18:21:19 <JorrelFraajic>	No deadmin.
Feb 23 18:21:19 <Jediknight2121>	How about Lost Admins Just lose admin privileges and have to earn them back but being active and work at it?
Feb 23 18:21:20 <Ataru>	We don't need to trouble staff over that
Feb 23 18:21:22 <Ataru>	No de-admin
Feb 23 18:21:24 <Joker1138>	yeah 3 months
Feb 23 18:21:25 <sannse>	we are looking at adding a tag to inactive admins though
Feb 23 18:21:27 <Cull_Tremayne>	There's nothing to do. Next topic. :D
Feb 23 18:21:28 <QuentinGeorge>	Nah....
Feb 23 18:21:31 <jSarek>	Should we template their pages?
Feb 23 18:21:32 ---	Jaymach has changed the topic to: Wookieepedia merchandise. Can we simply contact LFL and ask if they object?
Feb 23 18:21:35 <SillyDan>	Sannse: that's a useful idea
Feb 23 18:21:36 <JorrelFraajic>	Yes.
Feb 23 18:21:37 <Jesse__>	3 moths.
Feb 23 18:21:38 <Ataru>	JK: No, that requires staff stuff. I like the new template idea though
Feb 23 18:21:38 <Lord_Oblivion>	Mark as inactive though
Feb 23 18:21:40 <Riffsyphon1024>	no deadmin unless they're dead
Feb 23 18:21:41 <Jesse__>	months*
Feb 23 18:21:42 <Maric>	yea
Feb 23 18:21:45 <Jediknight2121>	Contacting sounds good i agree
Feb 23 18:21:46 <The4dotelipsis>	Bah. Merchandise.
Feb 23 18:21:53 <QuentinGeorge>	All we need is a template that says, "Lost Admin = Might come back, but don't expect him to help you with vandals." ;)
Feb 23 18:21:55 <Jaymach>	moichandising, moichandising!
Feb 23 18:21:56 <Xwing328>	This is in regards to our t-shirt idea
Feb 23 18:21:58 <Joker1138>	they wont care, they barly care that we even exsist
Feb 23 18:22:00 <Ataru>	Contacting sounds good to me.
Feb 23 18:22:00 <The4dotelipsis>	Maybe some kind of mug.
Feb 23 18:22:00 <breathes>	contacting LFL sounds good to me
Feb 23 18:22:01 <Lord_Oblivion>	How can we know if they're dead?
Feb 23 18:22:03 <jSarek>	Never mind, sannse already thought of that. ;-)
Feb 23 18:22:03 <sannse>	template sounds good too, so people know not to bother to leave urgent messages
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Feb 23 18:22:06 <Jediknight2121>	And form a cooperation that lets get infor on the merchandise and future merchandise comming out?
Feb 23 18:22:08 <The4dotelipsis>	That has emblazoned on it "Who cares?"
Feb 23 18:22:12 <Gonk>	Talk to the "Han Shot First" T-shirt guy, see what he did
Feb 23 18:22:13 <Xwing328>	Nothing else, and def. nothing for profit
Feb 23 18:22:14 <Riffsyphon1024>	LFL is picky about Tshirts
Feb 23 18:22:14 <JorrelFraajic>	per 4dot.
Feb 23 18:22:20 <breathes>	potentially, couldn't we order the shirts from their t-shirt design feature on starwarsshop.com?
Feb 23 18:22:26 <Maric>	on topic much?
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Feb 23 18:22:30 <JorrelFraajic>	Yes.
Feb 23 18:22:30 <QuentinGeorge>	Aye.....
Feb 23 18:22:31 <jSarek>	Contact LFL if we want to sell ANYTHING.  And expect a "no."
Feb 23 18:22:32 <breathes>	we'd have to use their iamges
Feb 23 18:22:33 <Jediknight2121>	 And form a cooperation that lets get infor on the merchandise and future merchandise comming out
Feb 23 18:22:35 <Xwing328>	maybe breathes - though i've never looked at it
Feb 23 18:22:36 <Cull_Tremayne>	Contact is probably best...
Feb 23 18:22:37 <Joker1138>	LFL is Pricky about everything, thay wont care
Feb 23 18:22:42 <JorrelFraajic>	Contact.
Feb 23 18:22:43 <Ataru>	Contact is better
Feb 23 18:22:44 <breathes>	but we could still use whatever design
Feb 23 18:22:44 <jSarek>	LFL has been cracking down hardcore on all sorts of profitmaking lately.
Feb 23 18:22:46 <Ataru>	Less lawsuits that way
Feb 23 18:22:47 <Ineedaname>	They'll care if we're making money
Feb 23 18:22:48 <QuentinGeorge>	Yeah
Feb 23 18:22:51 <The4dotelipsis>	Contact.
Feb 23 18:22:51 <Jediknight2121>	Motion for contact?
Feb 23 18:22:52 <JorrelFraajic>	Yes.
Feb 23 18:22:53 <Jaymach>	we seem to be agreeing to contact them :P
Feb 23 18:22:54 <Ataru>	Yes
Feb 23 18:22:54 <breathes>	you can use their images and put in their own text
Feb 23 18:22:55 <Xwing328>	Yes
Feb 23 18:22:55 <JorrelFraajic>	Contact.
Feb 23 18:22:55 <QuentinGeorge>	Yep.
Feb 23 18:22:58 <Joker1138>	yea
Feb 23 18:22:59 <Gonk>	Yes
Feb 23 18:23:01 <Riffsyphon1024>	we could order 30 Stormtrooper and Crossbones and then Wookify them, after contact is made
Feb 23 18:23:01 <The4dotelipsis>	No.
Feb 23 18:23:03 <The4dotelipsis>	I mean, yes.
Feb 23 18:23:04 <QuentinGeorge>	Avoid the lawyers!
Feb 23 18:23:04 <Cull_Tremayne>	So yes, selling shirts without their permission first...that's a no-no.
Feb 23 18:23:05 <Karohalva>	Don't know what's it about but YES.
Feb 23 18:23:06 <Xwing328>	Noms for contacting?
Feb 23 18:23:06 <Jediknight2121>	agreed than next topic?
Feb 23 18:23:07 <Jaymach>	seems to be an agreement :P
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Feb 23 18:23:09 <Ataru>	Next topic
Feb 23 18:23:12 <Lord_Oblivion>	Whatever
Feb 23 18:23:13 <Maric>	yea
Feb 23 18:23:15 <Jaymach>	the next topic is horrible :P
Feb 23 18:23:15 <Skillwarrior>	peoples please slowdown
Feb 23 18:23:18 ---	Jaymach has changed the topic to: Sourcing mess
Feb 23 18:23:19 <JainaSolo>	Sure
Feb 23 18:23:22 <breathes>	oh dear.
Feb 23 18:23:24 <Lord_Oblivion>	Noooo
Feb 23 18:23:24 <Cull_Tremayne>	Skip it....
Feb 23 18:23:24 <jSarek>	Oh boy.
Feb 23 18:23:24 <Xwing328>	ugh
Feb 23 18:23:25 <Joker1138>	no
Feb 23 18:23:26 *	JorrelFraajic groans
Feb 23 18:23:27 <The4dotelipsis>	Sourcing. Do it.
Feb 23 18:23:28 <Azzt_Rhell>	Hmm.
Feb 23 18:23:28 <Ineedaname>	Elaborate
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Feb 23 18:23:31 <Riffsyphon1024>	slow down people
Feb 23 18:23:32 <The4dotelipsis>	I like sourcing.
Feb 23 18:23:32 <Ataru>	No, we HAVE to talk about this
Feb 23 18:23:34 <Lord_Oblivion>	We have to
Feb 23 18:23:35 <Ataru>	SLOW DOWN
Feb 23 18:23:36 <Jediknight2121>	What are the problems with sourcing  elaborate plz
Feb 23 18:23:38 <Cull_Tremayne>	Let's do it on a CT.
Feb 23 18:23:41 <Karohalva>	Wait! How much depth of sourcing must an article have?
Feb 23 18:23:41 <breathes>	yes we do have to talk about it.
Feb 23 18:23:41 <Cull_Tremayne>	Please!
Feb 23 18:23:42 <Jaymach>	I dislike the new sourcing method, but who put the topic up?
Feb 23 18:23:43 <Lord_Oblivion>	Shut up!
Feb 23 18:23:44 <Jakerl>	Stop stop!! I can't follow allong wath any thing some tell me whats going on!!
Feb 23 18:23:45 <The4dotelipsis>	CT: CT.
Feb 23 18:23:45 <SillyDan>	Sourcing is complicated enough that a CT track will be needed eventually
Feb 23 18:23:46 <Jaymach>	(Xwing328): was it you?
Feb 23 18:23:51 <Xwing328>	I think...
Feb 23 18:23:56 <The4dotelipsis>	I agree with CT about the CT.
Feb 23 18:23:57 <JorrelFraajic>	Yes, I believe so.
Feb 23 18:23:57 <Cull_Tremayne>	In here, we'll barely come to a consensus :P
Feb 23 18:23:59 <Xwing328>	I can write up a CT thread..
Feb 23 18:24:00 <Jaymach>	mind telling us what you meant then? :P
Feb 23 18:24:01 <Ozzel>	Sourcing mess: give up.
Feb 23 18:24:02 <Ric36>	huh? whats going on?
Feb 23 18:24:03 <Xwing328>	to explain EVERYTHING
Feb 23 18:24:07 <Ataru>	Ok, put it up on Consensus Track
Feb 23 18:24:11 <JainaSolo>	Sourcing articles ( especially long ones) is a pain
Feb 23 18:24:11 <Xwing328>	and then it either passes or fails
Feb 23 18:24:12 <Joker1138>	ok
Feb 23 18:24:12 <JorrelFraajic>	Yes.
Feb 23 18:24:12 <breathes>	yes.
Feb 23 18:24:13 <jSarek>	There's a LOT of sourcing questions to sort, though.
Feb 23 18:24:14 <Jesse__>	I'm going to sit out this topic. Can't get a word in anyway. People talk too fast.
Feb 23 18:24:16 <Riffsyphon1024>	CT
Feb 23 18:24:17 <QuentinGeorge>	I think, at the very least, featured articles should be sourced.
Feb 23 18:24:18 <Ataru>	Next topic, this will take an hour here
Feb 23 18:24:18 <breathes>	what will be the CT proposal?
Feb 23 18:24:19 <JorrelFraajic>	CT.
Feb 23 18:24:22 <Ataru>	CT
Feb 23 18:24:23 <QuentinGeorge>	In addition to pages about real life people.
Feb 23 18:24:24 <Jediknight2121>	Slow down a bit people so we can all wrap our heads around this CT
Feb 23 18:24:26 *	Lord_Oblivion has a headache from watching this
Feb 23 18:24:27 <jSarek>	We can't CT until we know all the questions to put on it.
Feb 23 18:24:29 <breathes>	featured articles already must be sourced
Feb 23 18:24:33 <Ataru>	ugh
Feb 23 18:24:33 <breathes>	per the new rules
Feb 23 18:24:36 <The4dotelipsis>	Actually, Senate Hall it.
Feb 23 18:24:38 *	Azzt_Rhell is confused....
Feb 23 18:24:38 <Xwing328>	The CT will go through all the rules, along with guidelines, etc.
Feb 23 18:24:39 <Ataru>	What is "sourced"
Feb 23 18:24:41 <Ataru>	?
Feb 23 18:24:41 <The4dotelipsis>	First.
Feb 23 18:24:42 <Karohalva>	How much must be sourced? Does a color of a character's hair have to be sourced? Or is it obvious?
Feb 23 18:24:42 <Cull_Tremayne>	JK2121. I don't think you understand what a CT is...
Feb 23 18:24:44 <Xwing328>	formatting that must be followed too
Feb 23 18:24:50 <Ataru>	That too
Feb 23 18:24:52 <Gonk>	Yes, senate hall then CT
Feb 23 18:24:53 <Riffsyphon1024>	shall we wait 3 minutes for this to cool down?
Feb 23 18:24:55 <Ataru>	yes
Feb 23 18:24:56 <JorrelFraajic>	Yes.
Feb 23 18:24:57 <Ric36>	this is going way too fast
Feb 23 18:25:06 <JorrelFraajic>	3 minute break.
Feb 23 18:25:07 <Cull_Tremayne>	Yeah, I doubt that will happen.
Feb 23 18:25:07 <breathes>	Senate Hall discussion sounds good.
Feb 23 18:25:08 <Karohalva>	Yes
Feb 23 18:25:11 <Jediknight2121>	I do but we are all debating on wht to do and how we are going to run by with it
Feb 23 18:25:11 <revansbane>	what is CT?
Feb 23 18:25:14 <Joker1138>	ok
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Feb 23 18:25:21 <Xwing328>	CT = Consensus Track
Feb 23 18:25:21 <Ineedaname>	CT = consensus track
Feb 23 18:25:24 <JorrelFraajic>	Revansbane: Consensus Track
Feb 23 18:25:26 <JorrelFraajic>	Bah!
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Feb 23 18:25:37 <JorrelFraajic>	Break?
Feb 23 18:25:38 <LO|Migraine>	I need an asprin
Feb 23 18:25:44 <breathes>	In terms of sourcing, I think the thing that's most needed
Feb 23 18:25:46 <Ineedaname>	I need a leak
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Feb 23 18:25:48 <Ric36>	ha
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Feb 23 18:25:52 <Jediknight2121>	everyone has an opinion on the CT so i agree with bringing it up to the Senate Hall
Feb 23 18:25:52 <Karohalva>	I need a tutorial. (Just kidding)
Feb 23 18:25:53 <LO|Migraine>	?
Feb 23 18:25:54 <Riffsyphon1024>	C4 topic next, this is most important
Feb 23 18:25:54 <Cull_Tremayne>	A break will probably change nothing. Boot it to a CT, and let's move on.
Feb 23 18:25:55 ---	Jaymach gives voice to LO|Migraine
Feb 23 18:25:56 <Ineedaname>	Er, a sourcing leak
Feb 23 18:25:58 <breathes>	is to source statements that could appear nonNPOV
Feb 23 18:26:00 <LO|Migraine>	?
Feb 23 18:26:03 <Wildyoda>	Here's a link to Consensus Track for  whoever needs it http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Forum:Consensus_track
Feb 23 18:26:04 <breathes>	wait, are we done with sourcing?
Feb 23 18:26:06 <LO|Migraine>	Bah
Feb 23 18:26:12 <Skillwarrior>	Everybody slow down I'm 11 your talken fast do the math
Feb 23 18:26:14 <Joker1138>	yep
Feb 23 18:26:16 <Karohalva>	Everything is POV to some degree.
Feb 23 18:26:16 <breathes>	so as an example
Feb 23 18:26:19 <Ataru>	Sourcing will be on a CT
Feb 23 18:26:24 ---	LO|Migraine is now known as Lord_Oblivion
Feb 23 18:26:25 <Cull_Tremayne>	I just don't think we'll get any real consensus on sourcing in a Mofference.
Feb 23 18:26:26 <Jediknight2121>	agreed
Feb 23 18:26:27 <JorrelFraajic>	good.
Feb 23 18:26:31 <Ataru>	next TOPIC
Feb 23 18:26:31 <Lord_Oblivion>	11?
Feb 23 18:26:35 <JorrelFraajic>	next topic.
Feb 23 18:26:35 <Joker1138>	true
Feb 23 18:26:39 <The4dotelipsis>	NT.
Feb 23 18:26:41 <Jediknight2121>	next topic?
Feb 23 18:26:42 <Jesse__>	Next topic, please.
Feb 23 18:26:44 ---	Jaymach has changed the topic to: Celebration IV - it's getting closer.
Feb 23 18:26:45 <Wildyoda>	NT
Feb 23 18:26:46 <breathes>	who is writing the CT proposal though?
Feb 23 18:26:46 *	Ataru doesn't care how old anyone is. I will kick equally
Feb 23 18:26:49 <Cull_Tremayne>	Xwing.
Feb 23 18:26:51 <Ataru>	Breathes: xwing
Feb 23 18:26:53 <Xwing328>	me
Feb 23 18:26:53 <Lord_Oblivion>	What's with all the 1-year-olds?
Feb 23 18:26:56 <The4dotelipsis>	Celebration IV - Set up a booth.
Feb 23 18:26:57 <Lord_Oblivion>	*11
Feb 23 18:26:57 <JorrelFraajic>	I wish I could go to C4.
Feb 23 18:26:58 <Jesse__>	Yes! Celebration IV.
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Feb 23 18:27:01 <Joker1138>	Wookiee Montarge....
Feb 23 18:27:01 <JorrelFraajic>	Set a booth.
Feb 23 18:27:04 <breathes>	Xwing328: I will help if you want
Feb 23 18:27:06 ---	Jaymach gives voice to Lord_Oblivion
Feb 23 18:27:07 <Riffsyphon1024>	what is the status on that right now?
Feb 23 18:27:10 <Xwing328>	breathes - k
Feb 23 18:27:11 <Jaymach>	so have we applied for anything in relation to C4?
Feb 23 18:27:13 *	Ataru doesn't know
Feb 23 18:27:16 <Lord_Oblivion>	Stop, Ataru :P
Feb 23 18:27:18 <GHe>	Ataru: remember, remove prevents autorejoin ;)
Feb 23 18:27:20 <Ozzel>	Yeah, do we know anything about the booth?
Feb 23 18:27:21 <breathes>	C4: not going, not much of an opinion
Feb 23 18:27:22 *	JorrelFraajic doesn't know either.
Feb 23 18:27:26 <Jediknight2121>	A booth at C4  and what will we do advertise Wookiepedia?
Feb 23 18:27:30 <Xwing328>	Riffsyphon1024 - have you heard anything about it from LFL?
Feb 23 18:27:32 <The4dotelipsis>	I'll actually be doing a special Wookiee-Cast for those going to C4.
Feb 23 18:27:34 <Karohalva>	What is there to show? This is an internet site. Would a booth have laptops for visitors to use?
Feb 23 18:27:35 <JorrelFraajic>	A computer.
Feb 23 18:27:38 <The4dotelipsis>	Who is going to C4?
Feb 23 18:27:41 <Jesse__>	I thought C3 was going to be the last one. How long was I out of touch with the world?
Feb 23 18:27:42 <JorrelFraajic>	I wish.
Feb 23 18:27:43 <Inigo_Montoya>	CIV in May, correct? They may reveal some CW3D stuff.
Feb 23 18:27:43 <Lord_Oblivion>	Not I
Feb 23 18:27:44 <Ozzel>	Because if we are, I don't think there are enough people willing to work it.
Feb 23 18:27:45 <jSarek>	Wookiee-cast?
Feb 23 18:27:47 <revansbane>	I wish too!
Feb 23 18:27:49 <QuentinGeorge>	I can't, I live halfwway across the world....
Feb 23 18:27:50 <Ineedaname>	We definitely need some sort of computer there
Feb 23 18:27:52 <LtNOWIS>	I'm going to C4. But there's a page for it.
Feb 23 18:27:52 <jSarek>	I'll be at C4.
Feb 23 18:27:53 <Riffsyphon1024>	i have not gotten any contact from LFL on this , evenn after Ataru sent them the proposal
Feb 23 18:27:53 *	Ataru isn't going to C4
Feb 23 18:27:57 <Jesse__>	I hope to be there.
Feb 23 18:27:58 <JainaSolo>	Not me, that's for sure
Feb 23 18:27:58 <Ric36>	wookiee cast???
Feb 23 18:28:04 <Jaymach>	I'm going to C4, and will be on the booth if we get one
Feb 23 18:28:05 <Joker1138>	Here..http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Forum:Wookieepedian_Montage
Feb 23 18:28:06 <JorrelFraajic>	On topic, please.
Feb 23 18:28:06 <Jediknight2121>	I well dont know where C4 is goingto be held and am wondering if it would bea  good way for us to contact there with LF
Feb 23 18:28:06 *	Azzt_Rhell is unfortunately unable to attend.
Feb 23 18:28:21 <Karohalva>	I'm not going. No way to pay and no way to get there.
Feb 23 18:28:23 <jSarek>	C4 will be in LA.
Feb 23 18:28:24 <Riffsyphon1024>	C4 is in Los Angeles
Feb 23 18:28:25 <The4dotelipsis>	Allright, well, I'll be recording an ambient track of myself which you can play on a loop at C4.
Feb 23 18:28:26 <Cull_Tremayne>	It might be a lost cause...
Feb 23 18:28:28 *	Lord_Oblivion isn't interested
Feb 23 18:28:30 <LtNOWIS>	Memorial Day weekend.
Feb 23 18:28:32 *	JackPhoenix is unable to go to C4
Feb 23 18:28:38 <Azzt_Rhell>	Owch.
Feb 23 18:28:39 <Ataru>	We don't care who's attending: Just talk about what we're doing there
Feb 23 18:28:42 <Joker1138>	i cant go
Feb 23 18:28:45 <JorrelFraajic>	For the ignorant: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Wookiee-Cast
Feb 23 18:28:46 <Cull_Tremayne>	Ditto Ataru.
Feb 23 18:28:48 <Jediknight2121>	Ah ok Well i am up in Saskatchewan Canada so i wont be abelt o make it sorry
Feb 23 18:28:49 <Karohalva>	*Karohalva cannot go to C4
Feb 23 18:28:51 <Ozzel>	Seriously, if there are only about 6 people to work a booth, I'd rather not have it.
Feb 23 18:28:54 <Ataru>	Next person who says where they're going get's kicked
Feb 23 18:28:54 <Riffsyphon1024>	everyone stop saying whether you can come or not, clogging up the discussion
Feb 23 18:28:55 <JorrelFraajic>	per ataru
Feb 23 18:28:57 <The4dotelipsis>	jSarek and Ric36: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/WP:WC
Feb 23 18:28:59 <Jediknight2121>	ok Well to do there i havea n idea?
Feb 23 18:29:06 <Ataru>	ok
Feb 23 18:29:07 <JorrelFraajic>	4dot: too late.
Feb 23 18:29:08 <Joker1138>	Well i for one dont know of anything that we are doing
Feb 23 18:29:11 <The4dotelipsis>	I see.
Feb 23 18:29:20 <--	Cull_Tremayne has kicked Jediknight2121 from #wookieepedia (Seriously, Stay on topic.)
Feb 23 18:29:39 <Karohalva>	What IS topic as of now?
Feb 23 18:29:39 <Riffsyphon1024>	we want to show people what we're about basically
Feb 23 18:29:48 <Riffsyphon1024>	still C4
Feb 23 18:29:51 <Azzt_Rhell>	Which is...
Feb 23 18:29:52 <Karohalva>	Thans
Feb 23 18:29:52 <JorrelFraajic>	We should clarify the topic.
Feb 23 18:29:53 <sannse>	Remember Wikia might be willing to help in some way - an example, in paying for flyers to be printed... (would have to check with the higherups of course)
Feb 23 18:29:57 <sannse>	like Angela :)
Feb 23 18:29:58 <revansbane>	but how does that help wookiepedia?
Feb 23 18:30:07 <JorrelFraajic>	Brings attention to it.
Feb 23 18:30:09 <breathes>	publicity for our site.
Feb 23 18:30:09 <Ozzel>	Exposue.
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Feb 23 18:30:10 <The4dotelipsis>	Gets publicity.
Feb 23 18:30:12 <Ataru>	It helps wookieepedia by giving us publicity and exposure
Feb 23 18:30:14 <Riffsyphon1024>	Wikia said they would still contribute$1000
Feb 23 18:30:16 <sannse>	new contributors
Feb 23 18:30:16 <Azzt_Rhell>	Et al.
Feb 23 18:30:17 <jSarek>	Ozzel:  Six might just BARELY be enough . . . but it'd be a huge timesuck on the C4 time of the volunteers.
Feb 23 18:30:17 <breathes>	more contributors possibly
Feb 23 18:30:18 <The4dotelipsis>	Expo-Sue!
Feb 23 18:30:18 <jediknight2121>	Let people know about our MW and Wookiepedia and see if we can get publicity
Feb 23 18:30:26 <jediknight2121>	that was on topic sir
Feb 23 18:30:29 <Karohalva>	Why not just see if we can get some one to hand out fliers advertising Wookieepedia? That would be easier.
Feb 23 18:30:29 <sannse>	Riffsyphon1024: cool, didn't know a figure had been agreen
Feb 23 18:30:30 <Cull_Tremayne>	Do we have enough?
Feb 23 18:30:37 <Ataru>	We need more people to work on the table though
Feb 23 18:30:41 <Ric36>	yeah for wookiee cast!
Feb 23 18:30:42 <Ozzel>	I'd love to work it, but I can't see myself sitting at a booth for more than 2 hours.
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Feb 23 18:30:45 <jediknight2121>	I agree with fliers
Feb 23 18:30:46 <Ataru>	And you don't have to call me sir.
Feb 23 18:30:47 <Skillwarrior>	guys please tell me what your talken about
Feb 23 18:30:49 <Maric>	i agree with Karoshalva
Feb 23 18:30:49 <Jesse__>	It's been fun discussing with you guys, but I've got to go. I might be back in a few minutes, I'm not sure. Later.
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Feb 23 18:30:52 <Cull_Tremayne>	Talking about being on topic is...off-topic.
Feb 23 18:30:54 <Azzt_Rhell>	C4
Feb 23 18:30:57 <Riffsyphon1024>	i still want to go out into the convention too
Feb 23 18:30:58 <Ric36>	lol
Feb 23 18:31:02 <Jaymach>	I'd be fine sitting at the booth whenever there's nothing I want to see
Feb 23 18:31:03 <Gonk>	Flyers = good idea. we don't need a computer set up; these are SW fans, they'll have computers of their own.
Feb 23 18:31:04 <Joker1138>	for fliers?? a bit of a waist, no one reads them
Feb 23 18:31:05 <Azzt_Rhell>	CT:lol.
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Feb 23 18:31:11 <JorrelFraajic>	I read them.
Feb 23 18:31:12 <Ric36>	I know what you mean, cull
Feb 23 18:31:13 <Ataru>	Well, the rules state that we need to have someone there at all times
Feb 23 18:31:19 <Ataru>	for having a booth
Feb 23 18:31:21 <jSarek>	Topic:  What, if anything, we will do at Celebration IV.
Feb 23 18:31:26 <Karohalva>	At a Star Wars convention they'll read anything about Star Wars.
Feb 23 18:31:28 <revansbane>	its hard to figure out how many people we'll have at a moffrence, maybe a sign up pagw so we'll know if a booth is worth it?
Feb 23 18:31:29 <Ozzel>	And what if GL shows up? Who's gonna work the booth?
Feb 23 18:31:31 <Ataru>	So that means SOMEONE has to be there at all times
Feb 23 18:31:32 <Maric>	i say hand out flyers
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Feb 23 18:31:39 <Cull_Tremayne>	Do we have a real plan?
Feb 23 18:31:43 <Riffsyphon1024>	Bob Vitas and Abel G Pena know that I am coming and we will probably share the table with Bob
Feb 23 18:31:48 <Ataru>	Okay.
Feb 23 18:31:50 <jediknight2121>	I agree Karahalva they will read it so that will help maybea  wookiepedia newspaper?
Feb 23 18:31:50 <JorrelFraajic>	Ok.
Feb 23 18:31:52 <Gonk>	oh, well then
Feb 23 18:31:53 <The4dotelipsis>	I'll record an audio track you can use in the event of GL turning up.
Feb 23 18:31:53 <jSarek>	Yeah, we
Feb 23 18:31:55 <Xwing328>	How about the trivia idea?
Feb 23 18:31:56 <Jaymach>	Bob Vitas said that he'd like to share the booth, if I remember rightly
Feb 23 18:31:59 <Lord_Oblivion>	Boot everyone who isn't saying anything
Feb 23 18:32:03 <Joker1138>	a Youtube video prehaps??
Feb 23 18:32:06 <jSarek>	re working out a sharing arrangement with Bob and his CUSWE.
Feb 23 18:32:07 <Xwing328>	Jaymach - yes, he did
Feb 23 18:32:08 *	Ataru repeats: someone has to be there at all times
Feb 23 18:32:09 <Ozzel>	What about Bob? (No joke intended.) Will he have to be there all the time?
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Feb 23 18:32:10 <breathes>	that's a good idea, to share with Bob
Feb 23 18:32:12 <Joker1138>	like an advert
Feb 23 18:32:15 <JorrelFraajic>	Why would we need a video?
Feb 23 18:32:20 <Karohalva>	We could also hand out printed versions of some of our top articles.
Feb 23 18:32:20 <Lord_Oblivion>	A video
Feb 23 18:32:21 <jediknight2121>	Youtube is a big place that will get us advertising
Feb 23 18:32:24 <Lord_Oblivion>	How cheesy
Feb 23 18:32:30 <QuentinGeorge>	Just strap a computer to Bob's chest, and he can walk around.... ;)
Feb 23 18:32:30 <Joker1138>	but it works
Feb 23 18:32:31 <Inigo_Montoya>	Do we really want a huge surge of people joining Wookieepedia? It may bring some good, but also a lot of rif-raff. I think people that should know about can be told online.
Feb 23 18:32:31 <Ineedaname>	What would we even have a video of?
Feb 23 18:32:32 <jSarek>	Ataru:  We can close the table, if our valuables are all removed and/or secured.
Feb 23 18:32:33 <Cull_Tremayne>	I mean, do we even know that we're going to have a table yet?
Feb 23 18:32:34 <SillyDan>	those of you who are going should set up an email list and discuss this
Feb 23 18:32:36 <--	Ataru has kicked Lord_Oblivion from #wookieepedia (Stay on tpic)
Feb 23 18:32:37 <Riffsyphon1024>	i can ask him on myspace about specific details
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Feb 23 18:32:41 <Maric>	Again I agree with Karoshalva
Feb 23 18:32:41 <Azzt_Rhell>	Karo:Exactly how many pages is Palpy?
Feb 23 18:32:45 <Ataru>	jSarek: I thought it was against the rules?
Feb 23 18:32:46 ---	Jaymach gives voice to Lord_Oblivion
Feb 23 18:32:47 <Maric>	93
Feb 23 18:32:49 <jediknight2121>	And if it would help advertise for C4 use a podcast from wookiee cast on it?
Feb 23 18:32:55 <--	Ataru has kicked Azzt_Rhell from #wookieepedia (Ataru)
Feb 23 18:33:02 <Joker1138>	or here on the ICR
Feb 23 18:33:07 <Karohalva>	Point. Some printouts would be too long.
Feb 23 18:33:10 <jSarek>	Ataru:  Hmm, that I don't know . . .
Feb 23 18:33:13 <The4dotelipsis>	Aye Are Sea.
Feb 23 18:33:13 <Xwing328>	Yes, we could pull together a podcast, like 4dot said b4
Feb 23 18:33:13 <JorrelFraajic>	True.
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Feb 23 18:33:22 <The4dotelipsis>	I'm doing that anyway.
Feb 23 18:33:23 <JorrelFraajic>	per Xwing.
Feb 23 18:33:25 <jediknight2121>	yes and a wookiee cast about C$ and what us here at wookiepedia will be doing there will help get the info out
Feb 23 18:33:29 <Azzt_Rhell>	Ataru: what?
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Feb 23 18:33:33 <jSarek>	If it does have to be staffed the whole time, it may be too much for us.
Feb 23 18:33:33 <Riffsyphon1024>	yes podcast is no brainer
Feb 23 18:33:33 <Karohalva>	Suppose we print out the overview section of long articles?
Feb 23 18:33:34 <jediknight2121>	C4
Feb 23 18:33:35 <Ataru>	I thought that the rules said that we had to have a reprsentative there at all times
Feb 23 18:33:41 <Ataru>	We should check that
Feb 23 18:33:41 <Cull_Tremayne>	JK2121 Please just bring this to the C4 page.
Feb 23 18:33:56 <Xwing328>	Is 1 person there at a time to few?
Feb 23 18:34:00 <jediknight2121>	Can u send me link to C4 page Cull?
Feb 23 18:34:04 <Cull_Tremayne>	Are we even authorized yet?
Feb 23 18:34:05 <The4dotelipsis>	You can play the Podcast at the booth.
Feb 23 18:34:06 <Jaymach>	if we have to have someone there at all times, we'll have to work out an arrangement to cover that
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Feb 23 18:34:08 *	Ataru doesn't know. It's been a while since I've read them
Feb 23 18:34:12 <Riffsyphon1024>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Celebration_IV
Feb 23 18:34:13 <Jaymach>	which is better handled in a Senate Hall thread
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Feb 23 18:34:20 <JorrelFraajic>	per Jaymach.
Feb 23 18:34:21 <revansbane>	how about we use another page to make sure we have enough people at C4
Feb 23 18:34:22 <jSarek>	Cull:  Unknown.  We sent our request, haven't heard back.
Feb 23 18:34:28 <Xwing328>	yes, so first, we must find out if we have a spot or not
Feb 23 18:34:35 <JorrelFraajic>	Yes.
Feb 23 18:34:36 <Ozzel>	How can we know if the booth is a go or not?
Feb 23 18:34:36 <jediknight2121>	I agree playing podcasts at booth will show publicity and get people to show we arnt just people behind computers
Feb 23 18:34:36 <Azzt_Rhell>	Good idea.
Feb 23 18:34:40 <Riffsyphon1024>	we are working on it
Feb 23 18:34:40 <Xwing328>	I suppose if Bob has a spot, we unofficially have a spot
Feb 23 18:34:44 <Joker1138>	ts a no if you havent herd back by noe
Feb 23 18:34:52 <jediknight2121>	I agree playing podcasts at booth will show publicity and get people to show we arnt just people behind computers
Feb 23 18:34:53 <JorrelFraajic>	Oh, Xwing has a point.
Feb 23 18:34:54 <Ataru>	We should ask Bob
Feb 23 18:35:06 <Jaymach>	basically, we're not getting anything resolved in here
Feb 23 18:35:06 <JorrelFraajic>	Yes.
Feb 23 18:35:10 <Jaymach>	there's too many variables
Feb 23 18:35:11 <Karohalva>	What of having Wookieepedians who DO go wear Wookieepedia shirts? It works for everyone else.
Feb 23 18:35:12 <--	Cull_Tremayne has kicked jediknight2121 from #wookieepedia (We're not talking about publicity here.)
Feb 23 18:35:14 <Riffsyphon1024>	I will talk with Bob when i get the chance
Feb 23 18:35:15 <Joker1138>	true
Feb 23 18:35:15 <Ataru>	Jaymach: Move on
Feb 23 18:35:16 <Inigo_Montoya>	You can get two people, and take turns every 20 minutes.
Feb 23 18:35:18 <JorrelFraajic>	CT, then?
Feb 23 18:35:19 <jSarek>	Most of which are unkonwn.
Feb 23 18:35:21 <Wildyoda>	I think this conversation would be better served by only a group of people who are comitted to GOING to C4
Feb 23 18:35:24 <Jaymach>	this topic is better handled in a Sentate Hall topic, I'm afraid
Feb 23 18:35:29 <Ataru>	No CT, it's on WP:CIV
Feb 23 18:35:30 <Cull_Tremayne>	Ditto
Feb 23 18:35:31 <Karohalva>	Fair enough
Feb 23 18:35:32 <Ozzel>	True, Wildyoda.
Feb 23 18:35:33 <Jaymach>	so moving on...
Feb 23 18:35:36 <Azzt_Rhell>	per Jaymach
Feb 23 18:35:37 <Riffsyphon1024>	or on the C4 page
Feb 23 18:35:37 ---	Jaymach has changed the topic to: The proposed Reference Desk
Feb 23 18:35:41 <Herbsewell>	...
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Feb 23 18:35:43 <Ataru>	Kill this idea
Feb 23 18:35:45 <SillyDan>	yes, do that
Feb 23 18:35:47 <Joker1138>	yeah
Feb 23 18:35:47 <Karohalva>	Who would staff it?
Feb 23 18:35:48 <LtNOWIS>	Where is this proposal?
Feb 23 18:35:49 <Herbsewell>	What decision has been made?
Feb 23 18:35:49 <The4dotelipsis>	I like Ref Desk.
Feb 23 18:35:52 <JorrelFraajic>	I have no comment. I have no idea about it.
Feb 23 18:35:53 <jSarek>	People see stuff more on the Senate Hall page, probably better there.
Feb 23 18:35:53 <Maric>	next topic
Feb 23 18:35:54 <Azzt_Rhell>	the whattawhat?
Feb 23 18:35:58 <QuentinGeorge>	I don't mind the idea....
Feb 23 18:35:59 <Ozzel>	What esactly would this be again?
Feb 23 18:36:01 <SillyDan>	random wookieepedians would staff it
Feb 23 18:36:02 *	Ataru hates this idea and would never work on it
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Feb 23 18:36:06 <Lord_Oblivion>	Whatever
Feb 23 18:36:07 <Skillwarrior>	guys can you please tell my what your talken about I'm new here
Feb 23 18:36:09 <jSarek>	I tink we should losen up our standards on the Senate Hall and allow questions there.
Feb 23 18:36:10 *	Azzt_Rhell is confused.
Feb 23 18:36:11 <Riffsyphon1024>	Heh wasn't that KFan's idea?
Feb 23 18:36:13 <Lord_Oblivion>	I care not
Feb 23 18:36:14 <Gonk>	Maybe a separate section of the Senate Hall?
Feb 23 18:36:15 <Maric>	yea this is a shoddy idea
Feb 23 18:36:18 <QuentinGeorge>	If I see a question, I'll answer it there. :P
Feb 23 18:36:20 <Cull_Tremayne>	I really wonder how many people would work on it really.
Feb 23 18:36:21 <Karohalva>	Random Wookieepedians might not follow all the rules (whatever they are)
Feb 23 18:36:22 <Ataru>	I think we shouldn't. We should not allow general questions
Feb 23 18:36:23 <The4dotelipsis>	Same.
Feb 23 18:36:24 <Xwing328>	It would suck away even more time from the main wookieepedia, imo
Feb 23 18:36:25 <revansbane>	could we make it more like a requested page idea?
Feb 23 18:36:31 <The4dotelipsis>	As QT, that is
Feb 23 18:36:36 <JorrelFraajic>	per Xwing
Feb 23 18:36:36 <Xwing328>	we already have requested articles
Feb 23 18:36:38 <LucidFox>	the Reference Desk is a good idea
Feb 23 18:36:39 <Karohalva>	Just make a forum for technical questions.
Feb 23 18:36:45 <Ataru>	That's the Senate Hall
Feb 23 18:36:49 <LucidFox>	yes
Feb 23 18:36:52 <Jaymach>	(LucidFox): care to explain why?
Feb 23 18:36:52 <LtNOWIS>	I think the reference desk is a good idea as well.
Feb 23 18:36:53 <Joker1138>	ok
Feb 23 18:36:57 <Cull_Tremayne>	I kind of doubt that the Reference Desk will serve a purpose that we've missed so far.
Feb 23 18:36:57 <Karohalva>	But it spills over into other things.
Feb 23 18:37:00 *	Ataru really hates this idea.
Feb 23 18:37:06 <Riffsyphon1024>	or send people to TFN
Feb 23 18:37:08 <Azzt_Rhell>	What is this 'reference desk' supposed to do?
Feb 23 18:37:15 <JorrelFraajic>	I'm still not sure.
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Feb 23 18:37:17 <Ineedaname>	I'm not bothered by the idea of a Reference Desk, just as long as it's not all questions like "Who was the most powerful Jedi EVER?"
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Feb 23 18:37:22 <revansbane>	Structure it like ask a question, someone answers later, no necessary "staffing"
Feb 23 18:37:23 <Ataru>	Answer SW questions like we've told people for the last two years NOT to do
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Feb 23 18:37:29 <jSarek>	I say whatever our main forum link is should be the one newbies are most likely to use.
Feb 23 18:37:32 <Riffsyphon1024>	you know we'll see those questions
Feb 23 18:37:33 <Azzt_Rhell>	Ah.
Feb 23 18:37:36 <QuentinGeorge>	I think you mean "Who was the most powerful Jedi EVA!"
Feb 23 18:37:39 <Karohalva>	Why not have it be a place where answers can be expected?
Feb 23 18:37:40 <Azzt_Rhell>	Sounds like a bad idea.
Feb 23 18:37:40 <The4dotelipsis>	I thought we would just refer them onto an article.
Feb 23 18:37:44 <JorrelFraajic>	Bad idea.
Feb 23 18:37:46 <jSarek>	That's where EVERYONE new goes to ask questions, without bothering to read the header.
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Feb 23 18:37:48 <Ataru>	It's a bad idea, and I hate it
Feb 23 18:37:50 <Riffsyphon1024>	also a vandal haven
Feb 23 18:37:56 <Joker1138>	truw
Feb 23 18:37:56 <JorrelFraajic>	They have a question, take it to IRC.
Feb 23 18:37:57 <Ataru>	And it will take a lot of admin time
Feb 23 18:37:58 <Ozzel>	Yeah, I don't really like the idea.
Feb 23 18:38:00 <Karohalva>	True, dangerous.
Feb 23 18:38:01 <Jaymach>	should we perhaps have a proper forum?
Feb 23 18:38:03 <Lord_Oblivion>	I'll go with it being a bad idea
Feb 23 18:38:05 <Ataru>	NO!
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Feb 23 18:38:10 <Ataru>	Bad idea. Just kill them all
Feb 23 18:38:16 <Jaymach>	it was discussed before, which is why I'm bringing it up again
Feb 23 18:38:17 <Cull_Tremayne>	It's really unfair that Culator's not here to defend this idea.
Feb 23 18:38:18 <Joker1138>	Hmmm
Feb 23 18:38:18 <revansbane>	we could do a short experiment to see if its worth it
Feb 23 18:38:18 <LtNOWIS>	There wouldn't be an obligation to staff it, and it would divert all the foolishness from Senate Hall (ideally)
Feb 23 18:38:18 <The4dotelipsis>	I'll kill you!
Feb 23 18:38:21 <Riffsyphon1024>	wipe them out, all of them
Feb 23 18:38:24 <Skillwarrior>	Whats the preposed refrence desk
Feb 23 18:38:25 <JorrelFraajic>	Oh boy.
Feb 23 18:38:27 <Ataru>	Bah!
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Feb 23 18:38:30 <LucidFox>	bad idea or not, people voted for it
Feb 23 18:38:30 <jSarek>	Who uses IRC anymore?  Besides a handful of us and people sent here by giant Mofference flags?
Feb 23 18:38:30 <Jaymach>	(Darth_Culator): welcome back
Feb 23 18:38:33 <JorrelFraajic>	I say lead the questions to IRC
Feb 23 18:38:35 <Ataru>	No, the CT isn't over
Feb 23 18:38:35 <Karohalva>	It might become another Senate Hall...
Feb 23 18:38:36 <Darth_Culator>	1: it would be voluntary.
Feb 23 18:38:38 <JorrelFraajic>	I use IRC
Feb 23 18:38:39 <Wildyoda>	I think you'd have to be more familiar with the workings of Wookieepedia to understand Ref desk, and that wouldn't help the newbies  that already ask in Senate Hall
Feb 23 18:38:39 <Gonk>	I do, JF does
Feb 23 18:38:42 *	DarkSpork smacks jSarek
Feb 23 18:38:47 <Darth_Culator>	2: There are users who would like answering questions.
Feb 23 18:38:54 <Jack_Phoenix>	IRC is LAME. I prefer the wiki over IRC.
Feb 23 18:38:54 <Ataru>	Bah!
Feb 23 18:38:58 <Riffsyphon1024>	Darth you're back
Feb 23 18:39:04 <Darth_Culator>	3: It would point out factual or structural weaknesses in articles.
Feb 23 18:39:04 <--	Ataru has kicked Jack_Phoenix from #wookieepedia (Ataru)
Feb 23 18:39:05 <Ineedaname>	Lots of questions are asked on article talk pages anyway
Feb 23 18:39:06 <Joker1138>	i would, (Ish)
Feb 23 18:39:07 <DarkSpork>	Blah: http://community.livejournal.com/starwars_eu/158448.html
Feb 23 18:39:11 <The4dotelipsis>	On the IRC, you can riff of users without consequence.
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Feb 23 18:39:15 <JorrelFraajic>	per Ineedaname.
Feb 23 18:39:21 <--	Ataru has kicked The4dotelipsis from #wookieepedia (Ataru)
Feb 23 18:39:28 <Darth_Culator>	4: It would have rules, unlike IRC.
Feb 23 18:39:30 <Ozzel>	I think between the Senate Hall, article talk pages, & other forums, we really don't need this.
Feb 23 18:39:34 <JorrelFraajic>	IRC is effective, though,
Feb 23 18:39:38 <JorrelFraajic>	and quicker.
Feb 23 18:39:39 <LtNOWIS>	I think Wikipedia's reference desk is pretty good.
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Feb 23 18:39:43 <Lord_Oblivion>	IRC is great when there aren't so many people on it
Feb 23 18:39:43 <Joker1138>	BUT TO FAST
Feb 23 18:39:44 <Herbsewell>	not really
Feb 23 18:39:45 *	Ataru hates this idea. Tell them to use IRC or whatnot
Feb 23 18:39:47 <jSarek>	We need a clearing house for noob questions.
Feb 23 18:39:51 <Ataru>	Why>
Feb 23 18:39:52 <Karohalva>	An encyclopedia IS a reference!
Feb 23 18:39:53 <Ataru>	?
Feb 23 18:39:55 <Herbsewell>	EXACTLY
Feb 23 18:39:55 <DarkSpork>	do a faq
Feb 23 18:40:02 <Riffsyphon1024>	the clearing house is the FAQ
Feb 23 18:40:03 <jSarek>	Because, until they learn how the Wiki works, they always go to the Senate Hall and ask there.
Feb 23 18:40:05 <Azzt_Rhell>	Darth_Culator: IRC has rules. They are called admins.
Feb 23 18:40:07 <Xwing328>	we have a faq - it could be expanded though
Feb 23 18:40:07 <Cull_Tremayne>	I just don't think "our" reference desk will be up to snuff with the Wikipedia reference desk. Which is a problem.
Feb 23 18:40:09 <Gonk>	I'm not sure we need one central clearing house. Let them learn
Feb 23 18:40:13 <Herbsewell>	That's all it is...peole asking questions...
Feb 23 18:40:13 <DarkSpork>	I have one you can star with
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Feb 23 18:40:16 <DarkSpork>	start
Feb 23 18:40:23 <Wildyoda>	It's not like we have a massive influx of noob questions that is spamming the senate hall. This is already covered in all senses of functionality
Feb 23 18:40:25 <QuentinGeorge>	Surely we can match the Memory Alpha Reference Desk though...
Feb 23 18:40:30 <revansbane>	its better that we have one page to answer questions than random places visitors ask stuff
Feb 23 18:40:37 <Karohalva>	Make a separate user who can be staffed my administrators and who can answer questions.
Feb 23 18:40:42 <jSarek>	Per revansbane.
Feb 23 18:40:43 <Gonk>	per WildYoda
Feb 23 18:40:43 <Cull_Tremayne>	QG: You got me there. :P
Feb 23 18:40:45 *	Ataru really hates this idea. It won;t work
Feb 23 18:40:46 <JorrelFraajic>	I still say IRC.
Feb 23 18:40:50 <Ataru>	Use IRC
Feb 23 18:40:51 <Herbsewell>	oh god....
Feb 23 18:40:51 <Riffsyphon1024>	list the most commonly asked noob questions and post them there
Feb 23 18:40:54 <JorrelFraajic>	IRC is always monitered.
Feb 23 18:40:56 <Herbsewell>	When is thing going to end?
Feb 23 18:40:57 <LtNOWIS>	IRC is hard for some people to access.
Feb 23 18:41:00 <Cull_Tremayne>	An FAQ is probably a better idea.
Feb 23 18:41:00 <The4dotelipsis>	"/kick Ataru - stop bitching."
Feb 23 18:41:01 <Maric>	Irc is fine
Feb 23 18:41:01 <JorrelFraajic>	True...
Feb 23 18:41:02 <revansbane>	We have nothing to lose by trying
Feb 23 18:41:03 <LtNOWIS>	And sometimes it dies.
Feb 23 18:41:11 <JorrelFraajic>	But not for long.
Feb 23 18:41:13 <Lord_Oblivion>	Moving on
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Feb 23 18:41:16 <Karohalva>	We should also expect people to show intelligence.
Feb 23 18:41:18 <Maric>	lol
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Feb 23 18:41:21 *	Herbsewell wants to know when this will end
Feb 23 18:41:22 <jSarek>	I never came to IRC in the first *year* I worked here.  I was an admin before I ever set foot in the IRC room, IIRC.
Feb 23 18:41:23 <Lord_Oblivion>	LOL
Feb 23 18:41:24 <Ataru>	That won't happen
Feb 23 18:41:25 <--	LucidFox has kicked Ataru from #wookieepedia (ahem)
Feb 23 18:41:26 <SillyDan>	set it up for a trial period maybe?
Feb 23 18:41:30 <JorrelFraajic>	I say IRC > Reference Desk.
Feb 23 18:41:31 *	Azzt_Rhell thinks that the IRC would serve the same function, if there was a link to it on the main page or somewhere else accessible for new users.
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Feb 23 18:41:35 <Riffsyphon1024>	per jSarek
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Feb 23 18:41:36 <Herbsewell>	hello?
Feb 23 18:41:39 <Lord_Oblivion>	"We should also expect people to show intelligence."
Feb 23 18:41:40 <Cull_Tremayne>	Most people don't go to IRC to ask questions. Because it's advertised as a CHAT and not a questionaire.
Feb 23 18:41:42 ---	Jaymach gives channel operator status to Ataru
Feb 23 18:41:43 <Lord_Oblivion>	I never do
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Feb 23 18:41:44 <Gonk>	jsarek: hence multiple other places to go, like the Forum, like Talk pages. We seem to have it covered
Feb 23 18:41:47 <Karohalva>	Personally, I found Wookieepedia VERY easy to learn.
Feb 23 18:41:53 <LtNOWIS>	IRC isn't as good, because you can't answer day-old questions and the like.
Feb 23 18:41:54 <--	Xwing328 has kicked Herbsewell from #wookieepedia (Stay on target. It won't end for awhile)
Feb 23 18:41:54 <Joker1138>	me to
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Feb 23 18:42:00 <Herbsewell>	huh?
Feb 23 18:42:05 <Riffsyphon1024>	next topic?
Feb 23 18:42:11 <Karohalva>	Why, therefore, would we need a specialty place?
Feb 23 18:42:11 <JorrelFraajic>	Meh, maybe SD is right... Trial period?
Feb 23 18:42:12 <Joker1138>	yeah, Next
Feb 23 18:42:12 <Ataru>	Is there consensus?
Feb 23 18:42:14 <Lord_Oblivion>	Please!
Feb 23 18:42:15 <JainaSolo>	yess
Feb 23 18:42:16 <Herbsewell>	Can you  give me a ballpark figure?
Feb 23 18:42:20 <JainaSolo>	yes*
Feb 23 18:42:21 <Jaymach>	so what have we agreed for the reference desk?
Feb 23 18:42:21 <JorrelFraajic>	Consensus? NEVER!
Feb 23 18:42:25 <JorrelFraajic>	Nothing.
Feb 23 18:42:26 <Karohalva>	I oppose a Reference Desk!
Feb 23 18:42:28 <Ataru>	Herb: NO, and be quiet
Feb 23 18:42:31 <Ataru>	I oppos
Feb 23 18:42:33 <Ataru>	*oppose
Feb 23 18:42:34 <revansbane>	i agree on a trial period
Feb 23 18:42:34 <Jaymach>	or have we decided that we can't decide and so should put it to CT?
Feb 23 18:42:37 <Riffsyphon1024>	we'll need a vote elsewhere
Feb 23 18:42:37 <Maric>	i oppose
Feb 23 18:42:40 <JorrelFraajic>	Trial, maybe.
Feb 23 18:42:40 <Azzt_Rhell>	bad idea
Feb 23 18:42:40 <Herbsewell>	Well sorry.
Feb 23 18:42:41 <Gonk>	Don't need one, really
Feb 23 18:42:42 <Darth_Culator>	It's already ON CT.
Feb 23 18:42:42 <Lord_Oblivion>	I think it's a no
Feb 23 18:42:42 <Ataru>	Vote elsewhere
Feb 23 18:42:43 <Joker1138>	oppose
Feb 23 18:42:43 <Cull_Tremayne>	I still say that an FAQ is probably better, although if there are people that would be dedicated to maintaining it, then I have no problem giving them a trial period.
Feb 23 18:42:44 <Ozzel>	Nay
Feb 23 18:42:47 <Jack_Phoenix>	Ref desk is good idea, I oppose IRC.
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Feb 23 18:42:49 <The4dotelipsis>	Yay.
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Feb 23 18:42:57 <Lord_Oblivion>	Oh great
Feb 23 18:42:58 <Maric>	I say FAQ
Feb 23 18:43:00 <jSarek>	Okay, then everyone here should go to the CT in question and vote if they haven't.
Feb 23 18:43:00 <The4dotelipsis>	Sweet Zombie Jesus.
Feb 23 18:43:04 <SillyDan>	CT, suggesting a 2-month trial period, and also make a newbie SW FAQ
Feb 23 18:43:08 <SillyDan>	that's my suggestion
Feb 23 18:43:10 <JorrelFraajic>	per SD.
Feb 23 18:43:13 <Joker1138>	ok
Feb 23 18:43:15 <JainaSolo>	Ref = bad, next topic
Feb 23 18:43:15 <Cull_Tremayne>	Agree with SD.
Feb 23 18:43:15 <LtNOWIS>	Why do people oppose the Ref desk? It's not like you'll have to go there.
Feb 23 18:43:16 <Xwing328>	vvote in current CT + FAQ
Feb 23 18:43:19 <Ineedaname>	I agree with SD
Feb 23 18:43:20 <Ataru>	Vote if we have to
Feb 23 18:43:24 <Azzt_Rhell>	Next.
Feb 23 18:43:25 <Brain40>	Darth Culator>Did you say that you wanted to get rid of the KOTOR Wiki?
Feb 23 18:43:25 <Joker1138>	ok
Feb 23 18:43:29 <Riffsyphon1024>	people cease, next topic
Feb 23 18:43:30 <--	Ataru has kicked Brain40 from #wookieepedia (Ataru)
Feb 23 18:43:31 <Karohalva>	It's all about I think NO ONE would go there!
Feb 23 18:43:38 <JorrelFraajic>	Good.
Feb 23 18:43:40 <Ataru>	Next topic
Feb 23 18:43:43 <Cull_Tremayne>	There's no need to ban work on a ref desk.
Feb 23 18:43:44 <JorrelFraajic>	Next topic.
Feb 23 18:43:48 <Joker1138>	NEXT
Feb 23 18:43:52 <Cull_Tremayne>	Quiet.
Feb 23 18:43:55 <Karohalva>	Brain40 is the guy who created the KOTOR wiki.
Feb 23 18:44:00 <Azzt_Rhell>	Next....please....
Feb 23 18:44:00 <JorrelFraajic>	Wait a minute.
Feb 23 18:44:02 <Herbsewell>	Yes he is.
Feb 23 18:44:05 ---	Jaymach has changed the topic to: Inquisitorius power - or lack thereof
Feb 23 18:44:08 <Cull_Tremayne>	Yes, let us bash his stupid KOTOR wiki.
Feb 23 18:44:12 <Lord_Oblivion>	New topic: Getting rid of th KOTOR wiki
Feb 23 18:44:16 <--	Ataru has kicked Karohalva from #wookieepedia (Stay on topic)
Feb 23 18:44:16 <Joker1138>	more power
Feb 23 18:44:17 <Herbsewell>	No, people wanted it.
Feb 23 18:44:20 <Ataru>	That's a warning
Feb 23 18:44:21 <Jaymach>	I think giving the Inquisitorius any sort of real power is a bad idea
Feb 23 18:44:21 <SillyDan>	LO: No, stay on topic
Feb 23 18:44:27 <Herbsewell>	What topic?
Feb 23 18:44:28 <JorrelFraajic>	There's no power?
Feb 23 18:44:30 <Joker1138>	why?
Feb 23 18:44:30 <Lord_Oblivion>	Add it at the end
Feb 23 18:44:31 <Ataru>	The Inquisitorius has very llittle power
Feb 23 18:44:31 <Ineedaname>	The real topic
Feb 23 18:44:35 <LucidFox>	I don't get the Inquisitorius
Feb 23 18:44:38 <Xwing328>	They've already got the power, and it seems to be working reasonably well
Feb 23 18:44:41 <Ataru>	It's a FA review team
Feb 23 18:44:44 <JorrelFraajic>	per Xwing.
Feb 23 18:44:45 <Jaymach>	they're designed to monitor FA's and nothing else
Feb 23 18:44:46 <Cull_Tremayne>	What REAL power do they have?
Feb 23 18:44:46 <jSarek>	PerLucidFox.
Feb 23 18:44:49 <Gonk>	Inq has just as much power as it should. No more, no less
Feb 23 18:44:50 <Herbsewell>	Who are they?
Feb 23 18:44:52 <Lord_Oblivion>	They don't need any more power
Feb 23 18:44:53 <Jaymach>	any power above that is not what they were designed to be set up for
Feb 23 18:44:54 <JorrelFraajic>	What REAL power is needed?
Feb 23 18:44:55 <Ineedaname>	What power, exactly, do they need?
Feb 23 18:44:56 <revansbane>	How do the Inquisitors help things that the community cant do
Feb 23 18:44:57 <Ataru>	Link to the page please:
Feb 23 18:44:58 <LtNOWIS>	The Inq works fine. Don't they have the power to strike objections?
Feb 23 18:45:00 <Ataru>	Yes
Feb 23 18:45:01 <Riffsyphon1024>	Inquisitorius does not equal adminship
Feb 23 18:45:01 <Xwing328>	Striking votes/approving FAs is there only real power
Feb 23 18:45:05 <Ataru>	Agreed.
Feb 23 18:45:06 <JorrelFraajic>	per Riff.
Feb 23 18:45:09 <Azzt_Rhell>	Well, Inq should be able to say a article can/cant be voted on(mebby)
Feb 23 18:45:09 <Joker1138>	they should have more IF needed
Feb 23 18:45:12 <Ataru>	I have a couple questions though
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Feb 23 18:45:17 <The4dotelipsis>	Inqs need to do more Inqing.
Feb 23 18:45:25 <Ataru>	I WROTE the blasted thing, so I have questions for the community
Feb 23 18:45:25 <Azzt_Rhell>	ya.
Feb 23 18:45:29 <LtNOWIS>	And the Inq's power to block FAs isn't special, because any random objector could do that anyways.
Feb 23 18:45:35 <Maric>	i think we should give them more power
Feb 23 18:45:36 <Cull_Tremayne>	BAh, they have ENOUGH power.
Feb 23 18:45:39 <Lord_Oblivion>	"Composed of lazy ass members"
Feb 23 18:45:45 <Karohalva>	What is an Inq? A fanon killer?
Feb 23 18:45:48 <Joker1138>	GO ON ATARU Ask
Feb 23 18:45:50 <Azzt_Rhell>	No.
Feb 23 18:45:52 <JorrelFraajic>	No.
Feb 23 18:45:55 <Ineedaname>	Inquisitorius
Feb 23 18:45:58 <Riffsyphon1024>	but Inqs should be trusted members of the wiki, under admin status
Feb 23 18:46:00 <JorrelFraajic>	Inq is FA review.
Feb 23 18:46:01 <Cull_Tremayne>	We need to have an Inq mofference really.
Feb 23 18:46:01 <Ataru>	1) When an objection is listedd that doesn't fall under the rules, who strikes it? The INquisitorius?
Feb 23 18:46:06 <LtNOWIS>	The Inquisitorius page should be more serious and informative.
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Feb 23 18:46:14 <SillyDan>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/WP:INQ is the inquisitorius
Feb 23 18:46:16 <LucidFox>	per LtNOWIS
Feb 23 18:46:23 <Ataru>	LtNOWIS: I didn't write it. But we'll work on that
Feb 23 18:46:26 <The4dotelipsis>	Kill joy.
Feb 23 18:46:29 <Xwing328>	unanimous inq vote to strike if not in rules?
Feb 23 18:46:30 <SillyDan>	per LNOWIS
Feb 23 18:46:37 <LtNOWIS>	There shall be no joy!
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Feb 23 18:46:38 <LucidFox>	right now, it reeks of a "OMG there is a cabal"
Feb 23 18:46:40 <Cull_Tremayne>	So...what exactly are we supposed to deliberate on here? It exists. It's fine. So...next?
Feb 23 18:46:41 <JorrelFraajic>	That's what happens when people use Satire.
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Feb 23 18:46:46 <Karohalva>	I abstain. Do not count my vote on this.
Feb 23 18:46:54 <JorrelFraajic>	next?
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Feb 23 18:46:58 <Lord_Oblivion>	Wait, we can't give the Inquisitorius sysops
Feb 23 18:46:59 <Ataru>	Xwing328: ok, so the Inqs are empowered to strike objections that aren't on the rules?
Feb 23 18:47:00 <Riffsyphon1024>	additionally has wikia made a new namespace for Inq pages yet?
Feb 23 18:47:06 <Ataru>	Inqs do not get sysop rights
Feb 23 18:47:07 <LucidFox>	is it needed?
Feb 23 18:47:13 <JorrelFraajic>	Riff: yes.
Feb 23 18:47:14 <Darth_Culator>	Have we decided we should?
Feb 23 18:47:15 <Lord_Oblivion>	Of course not
Feb 23 18:47:17 <LucidFox>	the namespace, that is
Feb 23 18:47:18 <Cull_Tremayne>	We don't exactly count votes in a Mofference.
Feb 23 18:47:18 <Darth_Culator>	I think we should.
Feb 23 18:47:19 <SillyDan>	make it a subset of Forum:
Feb 23 18:47:20 <Xwing328>	Ataru - assuming its a unanimous vote of all (however many) I'd say yes
Feb 23 18:47:21 <Ataru>	LucidFox: we need something to place them on
Feb 23 18:47:27 <JorrelFraajic>	Riff: Wait, nevermind, no
Feb 23 18:47:38 <GHe>	no, I don't think the namespace was requested
Feb 23 18:47:39 <Ataru>	 Xwing328: Our current rules prohibit us from doing so
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Feb 23 18:47:43 <DarkSpork>	screw this, i need to eat
Feb 23 18:47:44 <Jaymach>	you can place them as subpages
Feb 23 18:47:46 <LucidFox>	why can't Inq: be a pseudo-namespace?
Feb 23 18:47:47 <DarkSpork>	night folks
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Feb 23 18:47:51 <Jaymach>	<Atricle name>/Inq
Feb 23 18:47:53 <Ataru>	subpages of what?
Feb 23 18:47:55 <Ataru>	ok
Feb 23 18:48:00 <LucidFox>	like Quote:
Feb 23 18:48:02 <Cull_Tremayne>	I don't understand why we can't have a new namespace. What are we holding onto them for?
Feb 23 18:48:12 <JorrelFraajic>	I think a new namespace would be good.
Feb 23 18:48:12 <Riffsyphon1024>	so that will solve our problem with them filling the new pages?
Feb 23 18:48:16 <Xwing328>	LucidFox - it is a pseudo-namespace right now, but people complained it of messsing up our true article count
Feb 23 18:48:19 <Maric>	cya
Feb 23 18:48:20 <Jaymach>	what's the point in the namespace though?
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Feb 23 18:48:23 <LucidFox>	meh
Feb 23 18:48:30 <LucidFox>	the count is wrong anyway :p
Feb 23 18:48:33 <Ineedaname>	So it doesn't affect the article count
Feb 23 18:48:37 <Cull_Tremayne>	I thought the point was so that it didn't mess up the article count.
Feb 23 18:48:40 <JorrelFraajic>	Then ask Wikia to make the new namespace.
Feb 23 18:48:41 <Cull_Tremayne>	Dang, beat me to it. :P
Feb 23 18:48:42 <Ataru>	So we can adjust rules over objetion striking?
Feb 23 18:48:43 <Ozzel>	Ah, I see. I think the name space thing sounds like a good idea.
Feb 23 18:48:45 <Jaymach>	subpages won't affect the count
Feb 23 18:48:46 <Xwing328>	It's rather insignificant I believe
Feb 23 18:48:48 <Karohalva>	Do we even need an exact article count?
Feb 23 18:48:53 <Riffsyphon1024>	that is the point
Feb 23 18:48:56 <JorrelFraajic>	per Xwing
Feb 23 18:49:01 *	Ataru asks his question again
Feb 23 18:49:03 <LucidFox>	compared to the number of articles, the number of Inq pages is negligible
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Feb 23 18:49:06 <jSarek>	I think it will bias the Inqs against any future special committees we see the need of forming.
Feb 23 18:49:07 <LtNOWIS>	I like article count.
Feb 23 18:49:07 <Karohalva>	I think a rounded number is enough.
Feb 23 18:49:15 <JorrelFraajic>	Yes, round numbers,
Feb 23 18:49:20 <Joker1138>	ok
Feb 23 18:49:21 <Ozzel>	Yes, I think the article count is important.
Feb 23 18:49:27 <Azzt_Rhell>	Ya.
Feb 23 18:49:27 <Cull_Tremayne>	Do you see a new committee in the forseeable future though?
Feb 23 18:49:28 <Karohalva>	So long as it's within a hundred?
Feb 23 18:49:32 <Azzt_Rhell>	But not exact.
Feb 23 18:49:35 <JorrelFraajic>	A new commitee?
Feb 23 18:49:37 <--	Ataru has kicked Karohalva from #wookieepedia (Ataru)
Feb 23 18:49:40 <JorrelFraajic>	For what?
Feb 23 18:49:45 <jSarek>	Cull:  Since I don't like them to begin with, I haven't thought about creating any.
Feb 23 18:49:45 <Joker1138>	for what
Feb 23 18:49:46 <LtNOWIS>	It'll be important to know which article is #50,000.
Feb 23 18:49:47 <Ataru>	Current objection rules allow Inqs to only strike objections from absent users. Are we empowered to strike non-rules based objections?
Feb 23 18:49:48 <Broox>	I am fine with ######+
Feb 23 18:49:51 <Riffsyphon1024>	sorry, we can adjust rules where we see fit
Feb 23 18:49:52 <The4dotelipsis>	Antiquing.
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Feb 23 18:49:59 <LucidFox>	Ataru, why are you kicking him?
Feb 23 18:50:00 <Xwing328>	I see no forseeable committees, and the namespaces are only theoretically limited, by what the tech staff is willing to do with their limit of 3
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Feb 23 18:50:07 <Ataru>	I thought he was off topic
Feb 23 18:50:08 <GHe>	btw, subpages seem to count also
Feb 23 18:50:14 *	GHe just tested on the Test Wiki
Feb 23 18:50:15 <Herbsewell>	Because he abuses power
Feb 23 18:50:16 <JorrelFraajic>	They do.
Feb 23 18:50:22 <JorrelFraajic>	GHe is right.
Feb 23 18:50:24 <Cull_Tremayne>	(jSarek): Yeah I understand that. I'm just saying that the people opposing the new space are only doing so because they hate the Inq.
Feb 23 18:50:41 <The4dotelipsis>	Stuff them.
Feb 23 18:50:42 <Joker1138>	true
Feb 23 18:50:43 *	Ataru asks his question one more time until he gets an answer
Feb 23 18:50:51 <JorrelFraajic>	What's your question?
Feb 23 18:50:55 <The4dotelipsis>	What was it again?
Feb 23 18:50:57 *	Azzt_Rhell wonders what Ataru's question is.
Feb 23 18:50:59 <Darth_Culator>	Ataru: Yes. Absolutely.
Feb 23 18:51:00 <Herbsewell>	Yeah what is it?
Feb 23 18:51:06 <LtNOWIS>	Can't you scroll up to repeat yourself?
Feb 23 18:51:11 <Cull_Tremayne>	I know that we only have a limited amount, but I ask again, what are we saving them for?
Feb 23 18:51:13 <Jakerl>	Sorry im off track. What are we talking about
Feb 23 18:51:14 <Ataru>	Current objection rules allow Inqs to only strike objections from absent users. Are we empowered to strike non-rules based objections?
Feb 23 18:51:15 <Azzt_Rhell>	LtNOWIS: yes.
Feb 23 18:51:16 <jSarek>	If we do it, we should create a Committee namespace and make it available for all potential future committees.
Feb 23 18:51:24 <Ozzel>	What is the ammount?
Feb 23 18:51:25 <Joker1138>	Yes
Feb 23 18:51:30 <JorrelFraajic>	Ataru: YES, please.
Feb 23 18:51:30 <Xwing328>	Yes
Feb 23 18:51:31 <Ataru>	I like jSarek's idea somewhat
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Feb 23 18:51:33 <QuentinGeorge>	 Aye
Feb 23 18:51:40 <The4dotelipsis>	Yes, we should be allowed to strike objections that do not fit within the rules.
Feb 23 18:51:41 <Azzt_Rhell>	Yes.
Feb 23 18:51:42 <Jaymach>	I'd say that both admins and inq's can veto non-rules based objections
Feb 23 18:51:44 <Karohalva>	I am just a junior member. Let the vets do as they will.
Feb 23 18:51:46 <JainaSolo>	YEs
Feb 23 18:51:46 <Cull_Tremayne>	jSarek:Wow good compromise. You're very good. :P
Feb 23 18:51:47 <Ataru>	So that's a "yes" we can strike non-rules based objections.
Feb 23 18:51:50 <JainaSolo>	Yes*
Feb 23 18:51:58 <Darth_Culator>	HOORJ
Feb 23 18:51:59 <Riffsyphon1024>	per 4dot
Feb 23 18:52:00 <JorrelFraajic>	Yes.
Feb 23 18:52:01 <Ataru>	but admins can as well
Feb 23 18:52:04 <Ataru>	okay
Feb 23 18:52:05 <Xwing328>	jSarek - yes, good idea
Feb 23 18:52:05 <Skillwarrior>	yes
Feb 23 18:52:10 <Joker1138>	Yes Yes Yes
Feb 23 18:52:11 <Azzt_Rhell>	Ya.
Feb 23 18:52:15 <Ataru>	jSarek: good idea
Feb 23 18:52:19 <Riffsyphon1024>	and per jsarek
Feb 23 18:52:23 <Karohalva>	Abstain on grounds of confusion
Feb 23 18:52:30 <The4dotelipsis>	LucidFox: Say good bye to your Mt. Sorrow objection. ;) :P
Feb 23 18:52:39 <Ataru>	Very true
Feb 23 18:52:41 <Darth_Culator>	Yep.
Feb 23 18:52:42 <JorrelFraajic>	Ooo, nice one.
Feb 23 18:52:48 <Azzt_Rhell>	?
Feb 23 18:52:49 <Ataru>	Next topic?
Feb 23 18:52:51 <LucidFox>	NOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!
Feb 23 18:52:51 <Xwing328>	k...to recap: Committee namespace and ability for admins/inqs to strike FA objections
Feb 23 18:52:52 <JorrelFraajic>	But yes to Ataru's question.
Feb 23 18:52:54 <Wildyoda>	I think that's consensus on that particular power. Any additional ones should be CT'd. Does that cover this topic?
Feb 23 18:53:00 <Riffsyphon1024>	ok next topic, this is too confusing
Feb 23 18:53:01 <revansbane>	next topic
Feb 23 18:53:03 <Jediknight2121>	This is off topic yes but i am saying this in between the new topic upcomming yout oldd em to mention that wookiecasts  and doing stuff at C4 right Cull_tremayne i did and not ina  big way tohamoer anything and i didnt give too much info and not to little.
Feb 23 18:53:04 <JorrelFraajic>	per Xwing
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Feb 23 18:53:06 <Lord_Oblivion>	When will we see Mount Sorrow on the main page
Feb 23 18:53:07 ---	Jaymach has changed the topic to: Wookieepedia's 2nd Birthday
Feb 23 18:53:13 <Ataru>	Happy B-day us!
Feb 23 18:53:13 <Karohalva>	Let the administrators vote on that last topic
Feb 23 18:53:15 <Joker1138>	Hmmm
Feb 23 18:53:17 <Azzt_Rhell>	Oh joy.....
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Feb 23 18:53:18 <Cull_Tremayne>	OoooKay. :OP
Feb 23 18:53:20 <The4dotelipsis>	Can we have a cake?
Feb 23 18:53:21 <JorrelFraajic>	Yay! Happy birthday!
Feb 23 18:53:24 <revansbane>	yea bday\
Feb 23 18:53:26 <JorrelFraajic>	I would like a cake.
Feb 23 18:53:29 <The4dotelipsis>	Press release!
Feb 23 18:53:31 <Ataru>	We should get a writer to write something nice for us
Feb 23 18:53:31 <Xwing328>	We have this based on last years - http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Second_anniversary_media_release
Feb 23 18:53:32 <Jediknight2121>	sorry for typos Cull and being off topic there
Feb 23 18:53:35 <Ataru>	like Allston
Feb 23 18:53:38 <QuentinGeorge>	I want a pony.
Feb 23 18:53:40 <Ataru>	or Pena
Feb 23 18:53:41 <Azzt_Rhell>	Put little baloons at the top of all of the pages and get over it.
Feb 23 18:53:44 <Xwing328>	It's nearly an exact copy at the moment, though updated a bit
Feb 23 18:53:45 <The4dotelipsis>	or Anderson.
Feb 23 18:53:48 <The4dotelipsis>	or Traviss.
Feb 23 18:53:55 <Ataru>	heh
Feb 23 18:53:55 <revansbane>	whats the current topic? im so lost now
Feb 23 18:53:57 <Darth_Culator>	Ooh, put a party hat on the Death Star logo!
Feb 23 18:53:59 <Cull_Tremayne>	JK2121 Do you have a registered nick?
Feb 23 18:54:00 <Joker1138>	TRAVISS
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Feb 23 18:54:02 <Ozzel>	Happy birthday to us.
Feb 23 18:54:03 <JorrelFraajic>	per DC.
Feb 23 18:54:05 <jSarek>	Actually, we shouldn't.  Abel got in a bit of under-the-radar hot water from TPTB for the nice things he said for us last year.
Feb 23 18:54:07 <Cull_Tremayne>	Can you receive private messages?
Feb 23 18:54:08 <Ineedaname>	Change the main page to the first version
Feb 23 18:54:09 <The4dotelipsis>	I can do a podcast, if you want, revolving around the 2nd ann.
Feb 23 18:54:09 <Karohalva>	I want to give the Wookieepedia an orderly and happy existence... but I'm not sure how.
Feb 23 18:54:12 <Ataru>	oh, osrry
Feb 23 18:54:12 <LtNOWIS>	We should probably protect that page, at least against anons.
Feb 23 18:54:14 <Azzt_Rhell>	[er Culatur.
Feb 23 18:54:16 <Jakerl>	I heard skillwarrior wants a high rank for users under the age of 18
Feb 23 18:54:18 <Ozzel>	Seriously, I like the party hat idea.
Feb 23 18:54:20 <JorrelFraajic>	4dot: DO IT!
Feb 23 18:54:24 <Jediknight2121>	It is out of topic il talk later after mofference  back on topic good administrators
Feb 23 18:54:27 <Ataru>	I like the party hat idea and the podcast idea
Feb 23 18:54:30 <Riffsyphon1024>	March 4 this begins
Feb 23 18:54:35 *	Ataru pulls out his kicksaber
Feb 23 18:54:35 <Xwing328>	4dot - good idea, and we can incorporate that in any release we may have
Feb 23 18:54:36 <revansbane>	per Ozzel
Feb 23 18:54:38 <The4dotelipsis>	When do we reach 2 years, anyway?
Feb 23 18:54:42 <Ataru>	March 4
Feb 23 18:54:44 <jSarek>	He had to do some serious spinning about what he meant to them to not get in trouble.
Feb 23 18:54:46 <The4dotelipsis>	Allright.
Feb 23 18:54:46 <JorrelFraajic>	March 4th?
Feb 23 18:54:47 <Wildyoda>	Well guys, I'm at work and have to close the store now. I bid you all a dark farewell. Thanks for making it an interesting first mofference.
Feb 23 18:54:48 <Ineedaname>	That soon?
Feb 23 18:54:52 <Azzt_Rhell>	Is it possible to change the page bar to there are balloons or something ion it?
Feb 23 18:54:58 <Ozzel>	Why couldn't it have started on May 4?
Feb 23 18:55:03 <Karohalva>	Well then: thank you Wookieepedia for everythin!
Feb 23 18:55:03 <Gonk>	:)
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Feb 23 18:55:05 <Cull_Tremayne>	jSarek: What does TPTB stand for again... :P
Feb 23 18:55:06 <LucidFox>	Ozzel> why?
Feb 23 18:55:12 <Ozzel>	May the 4th be with you!
Feb 23 18:55:12 <LtNOWIS>	The Powers that Be
Feb 23 18:55:12 <jSarek>	The Powers That Be.
Feb 23 18:55:14 <The4dotelipsis>	I'll include it in the next podcast.
Feb 23 18:55:18 <LucidFox>	ah
Feb 23 18:55:24 <Riffsyphon1024>	yes 4 dot that soon
Feb 23 18:55:26 <revansbane>	Oh boy i got class see y'all
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Feb 23 18:55:40 <Ataru>	Okay, so we find someone and bribe them to say nice things about us
Feb 23 18:55:41 <Imperialles>	Lost track of time!
Feb 23 18:55:46 <Ataru>	someone important, that is
Feb 23 18:55:56 <Ozzel>	Dan, maybe?
Feb 23 18:55:56 <Azzt_Rhell>	:)
Feb 23 18:55:56 <Ineedaname>	George Lucas himself
Feb 23 18:55:57 <JorrelFraajic>	Imp...
Feb 23 18:56:00 <Ozzel>	Wallace, that is.
Feb 23 18:56:01 <Joker1138>	Ben Stiller
Feb 23 18:56:06 <Ozzel>	Or Silly. :-D
Feb 23 18:56:07 <Karohalva>	Would any of them bother?
Feb 23 18:56:08 <JorrelFraajic>	per Ataru.
Feb 23 18:56:12 <Jaymach>	I can phone Dan Wallace, if needed
Feb 23 18:56:13 <Xwing328>	T Zahn, since he hasn't been contracted again yet
Feb 23 18:56:17 <Cull_Tremayne>	I'd like to hear more about Abel getting in hot water for his comments (not that I doubt it).
Feb 23 18:56:18 <Riffsyphon1024>	bribery is not a trait of the wookieepedian
Feb 23 18:56:24 <JorrelFraajic>	Maybe we could bribe Chee?
Feb 23 18:56:24 <Ineedaname>	Dan Wallace at least has an account
Feb 23 18:56:26 *	Ataru was kidding
Feb 23 18:56:30 <Ozzel>	Hot water?
Feb 23 18:56:32 *	JorrelFraajic was too.
Feb 23 18:56:34 <The4dotelipsis>	After Allegiance, I'd be surprised of T Zahn gets contracted again.
Feb 23 18:56:39 <The4dotelipsis>	*if
Feb 23 18:56:42 <Ataru>	Stay on TOPIC
Feb 23 18:56:42 <JorrelFraajic>	Why?
Feb 23 18:56:45 <Joker1138>	Who is Dan wallace again??
Feb 23 18:56:48 <JorrelFraajic>	Not to you Ataru!
Feb 23 18:56:50 <Jakerl>	I like ozzels quote becasue when skillwarrior says it he adds a dumb pun to it too.
Feb 23 18:56:52 <Lord_Oblivion>	lol
Feb 23 18:56:54 <Jediknight2121>	Not to be rude But Dan Wallace sounds familia who is he
Feb 23 18:56:58 <Ineedaname>	Dan Wallace writes reference books
Feb 23 18:56:58 <--	Ataru has kicked Jakerl from #wookieepedia (Ataru)
Feb 23 18:57:02 <JorrelFraajic>	Look him up.
Feb 23 18:57:07 <Jediknight2121>	thank you back on topic
Feb 23 18:57:09 <Azzt_Rhell>	Hmm.
Feb 23 18:57:12 <Xwing328>	I can contact John Peel again - lol - http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/John_Peel
Feb 23 18:57:12 <JorrelFraajic>	Back on topic.
Feb 23 18:57:16 <Ataru>	Okay
Feb 23 18:57:21 <JorrelFraajic>	That will work.
Feb 23 18:57:21 <Karohalva>	One moment... How many more topics are there?
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Feb 23 18:57:24 <The4dotelipsis>	And I can contact Dave Mana.
Feb 23 18:57:26 <The4dotelipsis>	*k.
Feb 23 18:57:26 <Ataru>	Let's put out as many feelers as possible
Feb 23 18:57:32 <Joker1138>	ok
Feb 23 18:57:37 <Skillwarrior>	Stop talken bribry thats just wrong
Feb 23 18:57:38 <Ataru>	and try to give them as much advance notice as possible . . .i.e. now
Feb 23 18:57:38 <SillyDan>	if Abel got in trouble, should we be bothering anyone else?
Feb 23 18:57:39 <The4dotelipsis>	Dave Manak.
Feb 23 18:57:41 <Xwing328>	Sounds good - everybody contact anybody they have talked with before?
Feb 23 18:57:46 <Riffsyphon1024>	make a page for this, next topic
Feb 23 18:57:48 <--	Cull_Tremayne has kicked Skillwarrior from #wookieepedia (You're eleven.)
Feb 23 18:57:49 <Ozzel>	Honestly though, I'm not sure we really need this
Feb 23 18:57:57 <Ataru>	SillyDan: We can ask them to check with their PTB to see if it's okay
Feb 23 18:58:01 <JorrelFraajic>	Need what?
Feb 23 18:58:04 <SillyDan>	fair enough
Feb 23 18:58:14 <JorrelFraajic>	Alright.
Feb 23 18:58:14 <Ozzel>	A real author writing about us.
Feb 23 18:58:20 ---	LucidFox sets ban on Skillwarrior!*@*
Feb 23 18:58:21 <JorrelFraajic>	Ah.
Feb 23 18:58:25 <Joker1138>	doubtfull
Feb 23 18:58:28 <Ataru>	 I don't see anything wrong with it
Feb 23 18:58:31 <LtNOWIS>	Yeah, I agree with Ozzel, but whatever
Feb 23 18:58:33 <Karohalva>	What is there to write? This is a reference website.
Feb 23 18:58:36 *	SillyDan is off to dinner
Feb 23 18:58:38 <Ataru>	It's not a bad idea.
Feb 23 18:58:40 <Ozzel>	Yeah, but why bother them?
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Feb 23 18:58:42 <Jediknight2121>	Is there anyway to contact say Troy Denning or other authours who have influence to help?
Feb 23 18:58:54 <JorrelFraajic>	Meh, Ozzel has a point.
Feb 23 18:58:55 <Xwing328>	Can we simply re-use Abel's quote?
Feb 23 18:59:03 <Ataru>	Xwing: Not if that got him in trouble
Feb 23 18:59:04 <JorrelFraajic>	I don't object.
Feb 23 18:59:04 <The4dotelipsis>	TROY DENNING CAN GO TO HELL!
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Feb 23 18:59:20 <Cull_Tremayne>	No, contacting them to talk about is is really a bad idea.
Feb 23 18:59:20 <Joker1138>	If enough of us make a noice then well will be heard
Feb 23 18:59:23 <The4dotelipsis>	That was unfair.
Feb 23 18:59:27 *	Ataru warns everyone. Stay on topic or else
Feb 23 18:59:34 <Herbsewell>	whoa...there
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Feb 23 18:59:37 <Gonk>	I agree with Cull. This is a weak reason to bug the pros
Feb 23 18:59:37 <McEwok>	What did I just miss?
Feb 23 18:59:38 <Jediknight2121>	i agree Joker
Feb 23 18:59:41 <Lord_Oblivion>	Can we move on
Feb 23 18:59:43 <Lord_Oblivion>	?
Feb 23 18:59:46 <Cull_Tremayne>	We really don't need any more scrutiny. We don't NEED that kind of publicity.
Feb 23 18:59:50 <Ozzel>	I thought it was fair. Anywho, why don't we just have out members write about us?
Feb 23 18:59:51 <Ataru>	There isn't much consensus here
Feb 23 18:59:55 <Ozzel>	*ous
Feb 23 18:59:58 <Ozzel>	*OUR
Feb 23 18:59:58 <Riffsyphon1024>	personal attacks is the next topic
Feb 23 18:59:59 <Karohalva>	Here is an important question. Would any of these people want to publicize us? We just don't know.
Feb 23 18:59:59 *	Herbsewell says Jawohl Mein Fuhrer
Feb 23 19:00:00 <Cull_Tremayne>	Agree with Ozzel.
Feb 23 19:00:01 <JorrelFraajic>	No, there isn't.
Feb 23 19:00:04 ---	Darth_Culator has changed the topic to: Mofference: Complaints against other users-personal attacks or not?
Feb 23 19:00:05 <Imperialles>	No consensus = move discussion to the wiki
Feb 23 19:00:10 <Lord_Oblivion>	Only Jack believes that.
Feb 23 19:00:11 <Cull_Tremayne>	Have them write amusing anecdotes.
Feb 23 19:00:11 <Ataru>	per Imp
Feb 23 19:00:11 <QuentinGeorge>	Aye.
Feb 23 19:00:18 <Ataru>	New topic
Feb 23 19:00:18 <JorrelFraajic>	Personal attacks.
Feb 23 19:00:20 <jSarek>	Boot with swift fury.
Feb 23 19:00:22 <Ozzel>	Complaints are okay, if valid.
Feb 23 19:00:26 <Cull_Tremayne>	Why is that even a topic.
Feb 23 19:00:27 <QuentinGeorge>	What's brought on this? Who made personal attacks?
Feb 23 19:00:30 <Xwing328>	ditto w/Ozzel
Feb 23 19:00:34 <QuentinGeorge>	What are we classing as an attack?
Feb 23 19:00:34 <Ataru>	Isn't that what Admin's N-board is for?
Feb 23 19:00:35 <Cull_Tremayne>	Stupid whiny kids.
Feb 23 19:00:35 <Gonk>	per Ozzel. And phrased politely.
Feb 23 19:00:36 <JorrelFraajic>	per Ozzel.
Feb 23 19:00:39 <Joker1138>	i stay quite...
Feb 23 19:00:45 ---	Lord_Oblivion is now known as LO|food
Feb 23 19:00:47 <JorrelFraajic>	Yes, not "You suck"
Feb 23 19:00:47 <Karohalva>	What exactly is the boundary of unacceptable personal attacks? It has been left very vague.
Feb 23 19:00:48 <Xwing328>	Nebulax brought this up due to a Senate Hall thread
Feb 23 19:00:48 <jSarek>	Per Ozzel.
Feb 23 19:00:50 <Ozzel>	Honestly, I can see where the guy was coming from with Jack.
Feb 23 19:00:54 <Riffsyphon1024>	and this depends on the complaint, if its hateful its a personal attack
Feb 23 19:01:02 <JorrelFraajic>	per Riff and Ozzel
Feb 23 19:01:03 <Herbsewell>	What about it?
Feb 23 19:01:07 <Ataru>	So throw it up on Admin's board and we;ll supposedly look at it
Feb 23 19:01:10 <Gonk>	yeah, case-by-case basis. No policy can be made here
Feb 23 19:01:11 <Xwing328>	so leave this up to admins to decide on a case-by-case basis?
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Feb 23 19:01:14 <Ineedaname>	Depends on the complaint
Feb 23 19:01:14 <jSarek>	Nebulax is REALLY fast coming up on a ban if he keeps his trolling antics up.
Feb 23 19:01:15 <Ataru>	I agree
Feb 23 19:01:18 <Cull_Tremayne>	I think we can figure out what's an attack, and what's a legitimate complaint.
Feb 23 19:01:21 <JorrelFraajic>	I do too.
Feb 23 19:01:23 <Joker1138>	i lost my rag once, there should be consiquences
Feb 23 19:01:28 <The4dotelipsis>	This is a community - therefore - bickering will ensue.
Feb 23 19:01:29 <QuentinGeorge>	Where's he been trolling?
Feb 23 19:01:30 <McEwok>	I think there's a wider question here of admin response.
Feb 23 19:01:31 <Ataru>	Isn't that why we're admins for crying out loud
Feb 23 19:01:39 <Herbsewell>	Well I mean what if I call somone "retarded?
Feb 23 19:01:39 <McEwok>	Galactic Alliance Core Forces
Feb 23 19:01:39 <Darth_Culator>	OK, so "personal attack" is admin's judgment? Consensus?
Feb 23 19:01:39 <Ataru>	McEwok: Can you explain?
Feb 23 19:01:43 <Herbsewell>	Will I get blocked?
Feb 23 19:01:49 <JorrelFraajic>	per DC.
Feb 23 19:01:54 <Ataru>	Herb: You'll get warned and blocked if it's me
Feb 23 19:01:55 <Xwing328>	per DC
Feb 23 19:01:58 <Ozzel>	"Retarded" would be an attack.
Feb 23 19:02:02 <The4dotelipsis>	Can I make personal attacks in the Wookiee-Cast?
Feb 23 19:02:02 <QuentinGeorge>	Some talk pages for a lot of pages are pretty heated....but that may just be the topic, rather than the individuals involved.
Feb 23 19:02:05 <Karohalva>	Nebulax is not neccessarily offensive. He is just often impolite. Should we allow a distinction?
Feb 23 19:02:09 <Herbsewell>	I know but for how long?
Feb 23 19:02:10 <McEwok>	Ataru: take http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Galactic Alliance Core Forces - you were on the talk page.
Feb 23 19:02:14 <Gonk>	4dot, it's satire, so I sure hope so
Feb 23 19:02:16 <Cull_Tremayne>	Well the VT-16 McEwok debates are something. I mean VT is pretty insulting with his comments...
Feb 23 19:02:18 <JorrelFraajic>	4dot: It's your thing.
Feb 23 19:02:19 <Ozzel>	Honestly, 4dot brings up a good point. But we'll get to that later.
Feb 23 19:02:23 <JorrelFraajic>	Ok.
Feb 23 19:02:23 <Riffsyphon1024>	jack has failed 3 or 4 adminship votes, what does that tell you?
Feb 23 19:02:23 <McEwok>	It's an open-and-shut issue.
Feb 23 19:02:34 <JorrelFraajic>	Admin decision, per DC.
Feb 23 19:02:35 <The4dotelipsis>	Shut it then.
Feb 23 19:02:36 <McEwok>	Plural noun takes plural verb.
Feb 23 19:02:38 <Joker1138>	Nubulax is Blunt in his opions not nessaseraly nasty
Feb 23 19:02:43 <Karohalva>	It is possible to be insulting while not using language. How do we judge attitudes?
Feb 23 19:02:49 <McEwok>	Yet Nebs has spun it out for more than a week.
Feb 23 19:02:54 <Ataru>	Admin jurisdiction, IMO
Feb 23 19:02:59 <JorrelFraajic>	Karo: Quite easily, actually.
Feb 23 19:03:02 <McEwok>	We've had what, five admins involved.
Feb 23 19:03:05 <Herbsewell>	Ataru:I mean would the warning come first, and what if I had a good reason to? Would that be put into consideration?
Feb 23 19:03:06 <JorrelFraajic>	per DC, again.
Feb 23 19:03:13 <McEwok>	When there's no real debate.
Feb 23 19:03:25 <Herbsewell>	Ataru: Would I be warned and blocked?
Feb 23 19:03:26 <Cull_Tremayne>	Don't defend Jack...
Feb 23 19:03:27 <Jediknight2121>	Well contructive critisism i see can be alrite tho as i have been taken some from others users adn it ahs helped me but flat out insulting is wrong i agree with u guys
Feb 23 19:03:28 <JorrelFraajic>	Alright, I say vote:
Feb 23 19:03:30 <Ataru>	Herb: No. YOu're expected to behave better than to name-call. I don't care how dumb they are
Feb 23 19:03:30 <McEwok>	Well, there is a question of "Core Force" or "Core Forces", but that's seperate.
Feb 23 19:03:41 <Xwing328>	Any objections to admins on case-by-case basis? If not, next...
Feb 23 19:03:42 <LucidFox>	that's a lame edit war, if you ask me
Feb 23 19:03:45 <Imperialles>	This is not about Jack, it's about establishing a silly and restricitve policy
Feb 23 19:03:47 <Karohalva>	We also should be sure to make reasons for opposition very clear.
Feb 23 19:03:47 <JorrelFraajic>	OK, so "personal attack" is admin's judgment? Consensus?
Feb 23 19:03:47 *	Ataru agree
Feb 23 19:03:49 <Gonk>	xw: fine by me
Feb 23 19:03:51 <Ataru>	I agree
Feb 23 19:03:53 <Gonk>	yes
Feb 23 19:03:56 <Joker1138>	yes
Feb 23 19:03:56 <McEwok>	It's a *very* lame edit war, Lucid.
Feb 23 19:03:56 <Jediknight2121>	i agreee
Feb 23 19:03:57 <Ineedaname>	Agreed
Feb 23 19:03:58 <JorrelFraajic>	Yes.
Feb 23 19:03:59 <Ataru>	Personal attack = admin's judgment
Feb 23 19:03:59 <Karohalva>	Agree
Feb 23 19:03:59 <Herbsewell>	Ataru: What is the point of warning if I'm going to be blocked?
Feb 23 19:04:03 <McEwok>	Yet there's no way to fix it.
Feb 23 19:04:04 <LtNOWIS>	We might want to have more than one person look at it.
Feb 23 19:04:04 <Riffsyphon1024>	admins will decide on noticeboard
Feb 23 19:04:06 <JorrelFraajic>	Next topic?
Feb 23 19:04:08 <Ataru>	Herb: warn first, block on second offense
Feb 23 19:04:13 <Cull_Tremayne>	Disagree.
Feb 23 19:04:16 <Jediknight2121>	3 strike rule?
Feb 23 19:04:16 <Xwing328>	Jaymach - next please
Feb 23 19:04:17 <JorrelFraajic>	Disagree?
Feb 23 19:04:18 ---	Darth_Culator has changed the topic to: Mofference: Merging "Sources" into "Appearances."
Feb 23 19:04:20 <McEwok>	Disagree
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Feb 23 19:04:21 <Imperialles>	Yes
Feb 23 19:04:24 <JorrelFraajic>	Yes.
Feb 23 19:04:24 <Ataru>	Disagree
Feb 23 19:04:25 <Herbsewell>	Ataru: And for how long will I be blocked if I did a second offence?
Feb 23 19:04:27 <jSarek>	Yes.
Feb 23 19:04:28 <Imperialles>	allow me to elaborate
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Feb 23 19:04:32 <The4dotelipsis>	Disagree
Feb 23 19:04:32 ---	Jaymach has changed the topic to: Merging "Sources" into "Appearances."
Feb 23 19:04:33 <Herbsewell>	would*
Feb 23 19:04:33 <Cull_Tremayne>	First off, Admins don't "want" to moderate the McEwok VT debates. What do we do there?
Feb 23 19:04:38 <JorrelFraajic>	Especially with the new sourcing.
Feb 23 19:04:38 <Jediknight2121>	no to 3 chance rule?
Feb 23 19:04:41 <LucidFox>	why should we?
Feb 23 19:04:44 <LucidFox>	merge them?
Feb 23 19:04:51 <McEwok>	I don't "want" the debates either.
Feb 23 19:04:52 <JorrelFraajic>	Imp: Elaborate.
Feb 23 19:04:53 <Jaymach>	I see no reason to merge them personally
Feb 23 19:04:54 <Ataru>	Depends on what sourcing is
Feb 23 19:04:55 <Jediknight2121>	merge how so
Feb 23 19:04:56 <Darth_Culator>	Yes, Imp, explain.
Feb 23 19:04:57 <Karohalva>	Something should be listed as a source when it formally states the used info. Appearance when it shows it.
Feb 23 19:04:58 <Xwing328>	some of the RPG stories need to be clarified as sources or appearances
Feb 23 19:04:58 <Jaymach>	but it's Imp's topic
Feb 23 19:04:59 <Joker1138>	Gray area for me
Feb 23 19:05:04 <Jaymach>	(Imperialles): mind taking control of this one?
Feb 23 19:05:07 <Ataru>	Our new rules haven't been established yet
Feb 23 19:05:08 <Riffsyphon1024>	to this next topic I say No
Feb 23 19:05:09 <Herbsewell>	oh boy
Feb 23 19:05:15 <LtNOWIS>	Is HoloNet News adn the like a source or an appearance?
Feb 23 19:05:16 <The4dotelipsis>	We should not merge because: Characters do not appear in ref books.
Feb 23 19:05:17 <Herbsewell>	How do I register my name Ataru?
Feb 23 19:05:18 <Ozzel>	Would this have any affect on our current sourcing problem?
Feb 23 19:05:20 <LtNOWIS>	But I'm against merging.
Feb 23 19:05:23 <JorrelFraajic>	Cease speach until Imp talks.
Feb 23 19:05:26 <Imperialles>	Make sources a subsection of "Appearances" under the header "Reference material."
Feb 23 19:05:28 <QuentinGeorge>	AFAIK Sources= Ref Books, Appearances = In-universe depiction of eevents
Feb 23 19:05:30 <Xwing328>	and then there's overlap, which will hopefully be worked out in the referencing CT thread as well
Feb 23 19:05:31 <Gonk>	per  4dot. So we're a little repetitive. Big deal
Feb 23 19:05:34 <Ozzel>	I say keep them separate.
Feb 23 19:05:35 <Cull_Tremayne>	I really say no to merging really.
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Feb 23 19:05:38 <JorrelFraajic>	per Imp.
Feb 23 19:05:39 <The4dotelipsis>	...second Imp.
Feb 23 19:05:49 <Karohalva>	Do not merge Source and Appearance.
Feb 23 19:05:52 <Ozzel>	But do make it more clear as far as what goes where.
Feb 23 19:05:53 <Jaymach>	personally I think, with the new reference system, there's very little need for eith Sources or Appearances...but hey
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Feb 23 19:05:57 <Darth_Culator>	I think it's fine like it is.
Feb 23 19:06:02 <Ataru>	Do not merge until we know what the reference system is
Feb 23 19:06:03 <Imperialles>	The thing is
Feb 23 19:06:10 <Imperialles>	The header "sources" is misleading
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Feb 23 19:06:11 <Gonk>	Wikipedia seems to use Sources *and* References
Feb 23 19:06:15 <Azzt_Rhell>	Agh.
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Feb 23 19:06:17 <JorrelFraajic>	We already are going to have a massive reference revamp, anyway... that can be our sources.
Feb 23 19:06:19 <Joker1138>	Per Culator
Feb 23 19:06:24 <Xwing328>	There are appearances such as mentions that will never be included with the references
Feb 23 19:06:24 <JorrelFraajic>	per Imp.
Feb 23 19:06:28 <Jediknight2121>	It also uses External Links
Feb 23 19:06:35 <Imperialles>	"Sources" at the moment just means "mentioned in this reference book"
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Feb 23 19:06:38 <Jaymach>	(Xwing328): but do we really need them?
Feb 23 19:06:38 <Cull_Tremayne>	Wow? Really? Stay on topic.
Feb 23 19:06:43 <Imperialles>	It doesn't warrant a separate section
Feb 23 19:06:48 <Riffsyphon1024>	HNN is appearance
Feb 23 19:06:50 <Xwing328>	Jaymach - I like it, for completeness of info., etc.
Feb 23 19:06:52 <Karohalva>	If a book says "speed = 80" that is a source. If a book says "it was a fast ship" that probably is appearance.
Feb 23 19:06:52 <Ineedaname>	Then neither does appearances
Feb 23 19:06:55 <Ataru>	But we still don't know what our referencing system will be, so it will be a source of confusion
Feb 23 19:06:55 <jSarek>	Right, whereas Appearances at themoment means "mentioned in this non-reference book."
Feb 23 19:06:55 <Jaymach>	if someone is mentioned somewhere, but it doesn't add to the canon...does it matter?
Feb 23 19:07:04 <Ozzel>	Perhaps a decision wait until we work out the sorcing thing.
Feb 23 19:07:08 <Ozzel>	*should wait
Feb 23 19:07:10 <Gonk>	Jay: yes
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Feb 23 19:07:14 <Xwing328>	Jaymach - yes
Feb 23 19:07:15 <Karohalva>	Mentioned should apply to things not described.
Feb 23 19:07:17 <JorrelFraajic>	Hmm... Ozzel has a point.
Feb 23 19:07:17 <Cull_Tremayne>	Agree with Ozzel.
Feb 23 19:07:19 <jSarek>	Yeah, make it a part of the larger Sourcing issue.
Feb 23 19:07:23 <Ataru>	Per Ozzel
Feb 23 19:07:25 <Imperialles>	I can make a CT thread and elaborate further.
Feb 23 19:07:27 <Karohalva>	Agree to postpone.
Feb 23 19:07:27 <Imperialles>	Next.
Feb 23 19:07:27 <Darth_Culator>	OK, so let's add it to the sourcing mess. I mean, the sourcing CT.
Feb 23 19:07:28 <JorrelFraajic>	per Ozzel.
Feb 23 19:07:28 <Gonk>	per ozzel!
Feb 23 19:07:29 <Riffsyphon1024>	the lag on here now is horrible, can we limit the amount of people here?
Feb 23 19:07:33 <JorrelFraajic>	Postpone.
Feb 23 19:07:40 <Jaymach>	gah
Feb 23 19:07:41 <The4dotelipsis>	Oser pzzel.
Feb 23 19:07:42 <LucidFox>	we can merge Sources and Appearances under the name Sources, then break it into two sections: IU and OOU
Feb 23 19:07:43 <Jakerl>	per ozzel
Feb 23 19:07:43 <Xwing328>	we couldd...
Feb 23 19:07:44 <Jaymach>	next topic is terrible
Feb 23 19:07:45 <The4dotelipsis>	WTF?
Feb 23 19:07:49 <The4dotelipsis>	Per Ozzel.
Feb 23 19:07:50 <Cull_Tremayne>	Boot the people we don't recognize.... :P
Feb 23 19:07:51 <Azzt_Rhell>	Uhoh.
Feb 23 19:07:52 <Jediknight2121>	i agree Lucid
Feb 23 19:07:54 <JorrelFraajic>	next topic.
Feb 23 19:07:56 <Azzt_Rhell>	Is this Jacen?
Feb 23 19:08:03 <Karohalva>	That system is too complex. Only we would get it.
Feb 23 19:08:06 <Darth_Culator>	Next topic?
Feb 23 19:08:08 <JorrelFraajic>	Too bad.
Feb 23 19:08:08 <Jediknight2121>	i motion for next topic
Feb 23 19:08:10 ---	LucidFox has changed the topic to: Head shots in infoboxes - "They're more like guidelines, actually"
Feb 23 19:08:10 <LtNOWIS>	Some people don't appear to be here...
Feb 23 19:08:12 <JorrelFraajic>	Next topic.
Feb 23 19:08:15 ---	Darth_Culator has changed the topic to: Mofference: Head shots in infoboxes.
Feb 23 19:08:15 <Azzt_Rhell>	Oh.
Feb 23 19:08:19 <Ineedaname>	Guys, there's a vandal
Feb 23 19:08:20 <LucidFox>	The4dotelipsis, it's yours
Feb 23 19:08:20 <The4dotelipsis>	Yes!
Feb 23 19:08:27 <Karohalva>	What is a headshot?
Feb 23 19:08:36 <Ataru>	No policy
Feb 23 19:08:39 <JorrelFraajic>	A picture of a head in the userbox.
Feb 23 19:08:41 <Jaymach>	something that gets you more points :)
Feb 23 19:08:41 <LucidFox>	per Ataru
Feb 23 19:08:41 <The4dotelipsis>	Right, people...I made a big lengthy CT about this, but people voted like morons.
Feb 23 19:08:45 <QuentinGeorge>	Headshots, yes, I've been changing a lot of articles to use a head, where possib.e
Feb 23 19:08:46 <Herbsewell>	No
Feb 23 19:08:48 <Joker1138>	the Best quality image be it canon or not should be there
Feb 23 19:08:48 <Herbsewell>	It's dumb
Feb 23 19:08:52 <LucidFox>	no need to codify _everything_
Feb 23 19:08:54 <The4dotelipsis>	I don't want to make this a policy anymore, but I would like it to be a guideline.
Feb 23 19:09:00 <JorrelFraajic>	Per 4dot.
Feb 23 19:09:01 <Gonk>	per 4dot
Feb 23 19:09:02 <The4dotelipsis>	A tendency, if you will.
Feb 23 19:09:04 <JorrelFraajic>	Guideline.
Feb 23 19:09:04 <QuentinGeorge>	If there is none, or there is a clear quality issue, then fine.
Feb 23 19:09:06 <Imperialles>	Actually... the image that best suits the FA template should be used
Feb 23 19:09:06 <jSarek>	Cull got the vandal.
Feb 23 19:09:07 <Karohalva>	What's wrong then? So long as you see the face.
Feb 23 19:09:09 <Herbsewell>	We like our fullshots
Feb 23 19:09:11 <QuentinGeorge>	Yep. I agree.
Feb 23 19:09:21 <Karohalva>	When you have fullshots, use them. Otherwise....
Feb 23 19:09:23 <Ataru>	Per Lucidfox
Feb 23 19:09:26 <Xwing328>	i overkilled the vandal... :/
Feb 23 19:09:29 <Imperialles>	Body shots simply tend to be poorly proportioned for the FA template
Feb 23 19:09:30 <The4dotelipsis>	Fullshots are crap and non-encyclopedic.
Feb 23 19:09:34 <LucidFox>	by the way, can someone send me the log so far?
Feb 23 19:09:34 <Azzt_Rhell>	Exile as a headshot would be horrible at best.
Feb 23 19:09:36 <LtNOWIS>	Body shots suck.
Feb 23 19:09:37 <QuentinGeorge>	No fullshots. They suck
Feb 23 19:09:40 <The4dotelipsis>	They're childish.
Feb 23 19:09:42 <LucidFox>	from the beginning
Feb 23 19:09:49 <JorrelFraajic>	guideline.
Feb 23 19:09:50 <Ataru>	Depends on what's the depiction
Feb 23 19:09:51 <LtNOWIS>	But I don't think we need a policy.
Feb 23 19:09:52 <Herbsewell>	I like them
Feb 23 19:09:54 <Joker1138>	The image that looks best, be it full or not
Feb 23 19:09:58 <Ataru>	 I don't want a Jabba head-shot
Feb 23 19:10:00 <JorrelFraajic>	Guideline, not policy.
Feb 23 19:10:00 <Herbsewell>	I like that.
Feb 23 19:10:02 <Azzt_Rhell>	per Xwing
Feb 23 19:10:05 <LtNOWIS>	Forget Exile, look at Jaden Korr
Feb 23 19:10:06 <Riffsyphon1024>	Im restarting my CGI IRC window if that helps
Feb 23 19:10:06 <The4dotelipsis>	Your ID card uses a mugshot, and the infobox is practically the same thing as an ID card for a character.
Feb 23 19:10:08 <Gonk>	Fullshots can still be available lower down, but not in the infobox -- usually. Guideline!
Feb 23 19:10:09 <The4dotelipsis>	So, guideline.
Feb 23 19:10:10 <Joker1138>	No Policy
Feb 23 19:10:11 <Jaymach>	I still like my personal rules
Feb 23 19:10:16 <JorrelFraajic>	Guideline, not policy.
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Feb 23 19:10:18 <Karohalva>	How do you headshot a Revan? We never see his face!
Feb 23 19:10:19 <Ataru>	No policy
Feb 23 19:10:23 <McEwok>	Jaymach: you would.
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Feb 23 19:10:26 <Jaymach>	if there's only 1 image in the article, then full body...if not, then bust-shot with fullbody elsewhere
Feb 23 19:10:29 <JorrelFraajic>	His mask.
Feb 23 19:10:35 <jSarek>	4dot:  We don't have aliens to identify on our ID cards.
Feb 23 19:10:42 <Herbsewell>	Yeah I mean then we would have to replace the Boba Fett image.
Feb 23 19:10:43 <Ataru>	Per jSarek
Feb 23 19:10:44 <The4dotelipsis>	We are not xenophobic, either.
Feb 23 19:10:45 <QuentinGeorge>	Exactly. Guideline. Some people have headshots. In that case, use them. If there's not, use something else.
Feb 23 19:10:47 <jSarek>	Human identification is done by faces; not always the case per aliens.
Feb 23 19:10:49 <Imperialles>	Anyway, I think a valid objection to a FA nomination should be "infobox image poorly proportioned for the FA box"
Feb 23 19:10:51 <JorrelFraajic>	Guideline, not policy.
Feb 23 19:10:56 <Xwing328>	yes w/Jaymach - and not having a full-body in the infobox will prevent some annoying formatting at hi-res
Feb 23 19:10:57 <Gonk>	It's. Just. A. Guideline.
Feb 23 19:10:57 <Ataru>	Guideline, not policy
Feb 23 19:11:00 <JorrelFraajic>	Imp: Point.
Feb 23 19:11:01 <Joker1138>	whats wrong with Revans mask, its his identity just like Boba
Feb 23 19:11:03 <Azzt_Rhell>	Guidelines are good.
Feb 23 19:11:06 <LtNOWIS>	A guideline would be good.
Feb 23 19:11:08 <Ataru>	Imp: Fourdot will make sure it's done in the Inq
Feb 23 19:11:11 <Darth_Culator>	Guideline.
Feb 23 19:11:13 <JorrelFraajic>	Guideline, not policy.
Feb 23 19:11:13 <jSarek>	Imp:  Agreed.
Feb 23 19:11:14 <Imperialles>	Goodie
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Feb 23 19:11:18 <Joker1138>	yep
Feb 23 19:11:20 <jSarek>	Guideline not policy.
Feb 23 19:11:21 <Karohalva>	Abstain. Still a junior member.
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Feb 23 19:11:22 <QuentinGeorge>	JSarek: As Men In Black taught us, aliens will use mugshots too,... ;)
Feb 23 19:11:28 <The4dotelipsis>	Right. That should stick a firecracker up Redemption's ass.
Feb 23 19:11:31 <Xwing328>	Welcome back
Feb 23 19:11:38 <Ataru>	Fourdot: Be civil
Feb 23 19:11:46 <Ozzel>	*snickers*
Feb 23 19:11:47 <Darth_Culator>	New topic?
Feb 23 19:11:49 <The4dotelipsis>	...
Feb 23 19:11:50 <Ataru>	Yes
Feb 23 19:11:50 <The4dotelipsis>	bah.
Feb 23 19:11:51 <JorrelFraajic>	Still, lol @ 4dot.
Feb 23 19:11:52 <Azzt_Rhell>	Hey Riff. lose any lag?
Feb 23 19:11:54 <Riffsyphon1024>	ok did we move to the next topic, i think the lag has lessened up now
Feb 23 19:11:55 <Gonk>	Don't you mean ....
Feb 23 19:11:56 <Ataru>	That was only three dots
Feb 23 19:11:56 <Jediknight2121>	Concering pictures about certain atircles and battles and sources of amount of people adn units there "anyways to be more exact on size of battles"
Feb 23 19:11:59 <JorrelFraajic>	New topic.
Feb 23 19:12:03 <Jediknight2121>	*** new topic
Feb 23 19:12:10 <Jediknight2121>	<Jediknight2121> Concering pictures about certain atircles and battles and sources of amount of people adn units there "anyways to be more exact on size of battles"
Feb 23 19:12:10 <Azzt_Rhell>	Next!
Feb 23 19:12:15 <Ataru>	New topic
Feb 23 19:12:16 <Darth_Culator>	Imp: this one is yours.
Feb 23 19:12:17 <Azzt_Rhell>	NOT jacen....
Feb 23 19:12:21 <Joker1138>	next
Feb 23 19:12:22 ---	Darth_Culator has changed the topic to: Mofference: The deletion of all galleries.
Feb 23 19:12:23 <Imperialles>	Galleries violate fair use. Delete them.
Feb 23 19:12:25 <Imperialles>	!
Feb 23 19:12:27 <LucidFox>	I agree.
Feb 23 19:12:29 <Joker1138>	NO NO NO
Feb 23 19:12:29 <LucidFox>	Fully.
Feb 23 19:12:31 <Ozzel>	Nopw.
Feb 23 19:12:32 <Darth_Culator>	Kill galleries.
Feb 23 19:12:33 <LtNOWIS>	Some galleries are good.
Feb 23 19:12:33 <Herbsewell>	I don't
Feb 23 19:12:34 <Xwing328>	No
Feb 23 19:12:36 <LucidFox>	Galleries must go.
Feb 23 19:12:38 <Jediknight2121>	Dont fully delete them
Feb 23 19:12:40 <JorrelFraajic>	I'm abstaining for now.
Feb 23 19:12:40 <Riffsyphon1024>	deleting the galleries, what?
Feb 23 19:12:41 <Jaymach>	we should delete them all, at least temporarily, to get rid of gallery-specific images
Feb 23 19:12:42 <Azzt_Rhell>	Define 'galleries'
Feb 23 19:12:42 <Herbsewell>	They should not.
Feb 23 19:12:42 <Gonk>	Are we sure they violate fair use?
Feb 23 19:12:44 <jSarek>	Some galleries are fair use and should be kept.  Most arne't and should be deleted.
Feb 23 19:12:47 <Jaymach>	then we can re-create them with images used in articles
Feb 23 19:12:50 <Xwing328>	If used in articles also, they should be ok
Feb 23 19:12:52 <Ataru>	Do not delete galleries
Feb 23 19:12:52 <Joker1138>	I will Keep Planets and MOOns as my own
Feb 23 19:12:54 <Darth_Culator>	Except for ones with a valid justification for existing, like the gallery of requested articles.
Feb 23 19:12:56 <Gonk>	per XW
Feb 23 19:12:58 <Karohalva>	Galeries violat fair use only when they contain the entire content (or at least 70%) of the source.
Feb 23 19:12:58 <LtNOWIS>	And since when have we been caught up with fair use?
Feb 23 19:12:59 <The4dotelipsis>	Delete Galleries!
Feb 23 19:13:00 <Jediknight2121>	i have to go to dinner  it was out of topic but sorry be abck later
Feb 23 19:13:01 <LucidFox>	galleries with LFL images can't be fair use period
Feb 23 19:13:03 <Herbsewell>	Do not, I love them :P
Feb 23 19:13:03 <The4dotelipsis>	Yes, please.
Feb 23 19:13:08 <Riffsyphon1024>	thats only because of what Will told us, I refuse to delete due to that
Feb 23 19:13:12 <Ozzel>	I think this needs a CT.
Feb 23 19:13:14 <JorrelFraajic>	Per Riff.
Feb 23 19:13:17 <The4dotelipsis>	That's like shoving your whole mouth in the bowl of Fair Use.
Feb 23 19:13:18 <JorrelFraajic>	And Ozzel
Feb 23 19:13:18 <Joker1138>	Only the gallerys for indervidual people
Feb 23 19:13:22 <Jaymach>	Gakkerues are breaking the LAW
Feb 23 19:13:22 <Imperialles>	It's not up for discussion really
Feb 23 19:13:25 <Jaymach>	*Galleries
Feb 23 19:13:26 <Imperialles>	we have to uphold fair use
Feb 23 19:13:30 <Herbsewell>	No, there is no reason for that.
Feb 23 19:13:32 <Joker1138>	KEEP THEM
Feb 23 19:13:35 <jSarek>	LucidFox:  They can be if they illustrate a concept that can't be illustrated in another fashion.
Feb 23 19:13:36 <Ozzel>	I just ask that before anyone gets delete-happy, LET US KNOW FIRST.
Feb 23 19:13:36 <Ataru>	I expand articles, and when I add more prose, we need more pictures. I pull them from the gallery
Feb 23 19:13:38 <Herbsewell>	We have the right to have galleries.
Feb 23 19:13:39 <Jaymach>	we HAVE to get rid of Gallery-only images
Feb 23 19:13:39 <Darth_Culator>	We should at least delete things like "Gallery of Yada Essential Guide Images."
Feb 23 19:13:40 <Riffsyphon1024>	how long have we had image galleries?
Feb 23 19:13:42 <Karohalva>	One thing we could do is insist on half sized images in galleries...
Feb 23 19:13:44 <Gonk>	Galleries are encyclopedically useful
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Feb 23 19:13:48 <Azzt_Rhell>	User galleries are bad.
Feb 23 19:13:49 <LtNOWIS>	Some galleries are bad, I agree.
Feb 23 19:13:51 <LucidFox>	well, gallery-only images should go unconditionally
Feb 23 19:13:56 <Xwing328>	Riff - a very long time
Feb 23 19:13:59 <Cull_Tremayne>	Yes, we gallery-only images have to be gone.
Feb 23 19:14:00 <LucidFox>	as for galleries themselves
Feb 23 19:14:01 <Ataru>	User galleries like what?
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Feb 23 19:14:04 <Riffsyphon1024>	and noone else has complains
Feb 23 19:14:05 <Gonk>	sounds like we need a string of policies here :/
Feb 23 19:14:08 <Riffsyphon1024>	complained*
Feb 23 19:14:10 <Joker1138>	I have one
Feb 23 19:14:10 <Karohalva>	Only have galleries of pictures used in articles!
Feb 23 19:14:15 <Imperialles>	that's a moot argument riff
Feb 23 19:14:17 <QuentinGeorge>	I think the really bad are the "Gallery of New Essential Guide to Droid Images"....that's pretty much saying, "We scanned the book for you!"!!!"
Feb 23 19:14:19 <Joker1138>	if needs be it shall go
Feb 23 19:14:20 <JorrelFraajic>	CT it.
Feb 23 19:14:20 <Jaymach>	as I said...delete all galleries temporarily, delte the unused images that were in them but nowhere else, then perhaps reform them
Feb 23 19:14:25 <Xwing328>	Lets just get the gallery-only first, then deal with galleries themselves next time
Feb 23 19:14:27 <Ozzel>	QG, I agree.
Feb 23 19:14:32 <LucidFox>	per QuentinGeorge
Feb 23 19:14:32 <Karohalva>	Again, no complete collections.
Feb 23 19:14:33 *	Ataru uses those galleries when he expands articles
Feb 23 19:14:34 <Riffsyphon1024>	well even then they should be images used in articles, that's obvious
Feb 23 19:14:36 <Herbsewell>	you can blame Xwing for that
Feb 23 19:14:42 <Herbsewell>	He scanned the book.
Feb 23 19:14:42 <JorrelFraajic>	CT it.
Feb 23 19:14:44 <Joker1138>	Keep them!!! they take ages!!
Feb 23 19:14:45 <Xwing328>	?
Feb 23 19:14:45 <Ataru>	Case in point: Gaeriel Captison
Feb 23 19:14:48 <Ozzel>	When we start becoming an excuse for people not to by books, we are in trouble.
Feb 23 19:14:52 <LucidFox>	I think our existing galleries should be moved to userspace
Feb 23 19:14:53 <Ozzel>	*buy
Feb 23 19:14:54 <Azzt_Rhell>	Ya.
Feb 23 19:14:55 <Jaymach>	(Joker1138): they're ILLEGAL
Feb 23 19:14:55 <jSarek>	QG:  Agreed.  Kill those.
Feb 23 19:14:57 <Darth_Culator>	Ozzel: EXACTLY!
Feb 23 19:14:57 <Jaymach>	we're breaking the law
Feb 23 19:15:01 <Riffsyphon1024>	per ozzel
Feb 23 19:15:02 <Ataru>	She had two images, and i had to go beg people to scan new ones
Feb 23 19:15:04 <Jaymach>	we CAN'T keep them
Feb 23 19:15:05 <Azzt_Rhell>	Per Ozzel.
Feb 23 19:15:08 <Ataru>	when I made the article longer
Feb 23 19:15:08 <Jaymach>	no matter how much work was put in
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Feb 23 19:15:12 <Joker1138>	I will Take Planets and Moons just dont delet it!!
Feb 23 19:15:13 <Karohalva>	Only have half-sized versions!
Feb 23 19:15:14 <jSarek>	Ozzel:  Agreed.
Feb 23 19:15:22 <LucidFox>	well, some people can't buy books...
Feb 23 19:15:22 <LtNOWIS>	The source-based galleries are bad, but not all of the others are.
Feb 23 19:15:24 <Riffsyphon1024>	but people will never truely substitute a wiki for a book
Feb 23 19:15:26 <LucidFox>	myself included
Feb 23 19:15:28 <QuentinGeorge>	Get rid of the book-based galleries first, then we can see what we want to do with the character-based ones
Feb 23 19:15:29 <JorrelFraajic>	Lucidfox is right.
Feb 23 19:15:31 <Joker1138>	I soursed it to!
Feb 23 19:15:36 *	Ataru likes galleries
Feb 23 19:15:37 <Imperialles>	And the whole "Gallery of individuals" is just ridiculous
Feb 23 19:15:37 <Ozzel>	Getting rid of those galleries, I could understand.
Feb 23 19:15:38 <jSarek>	I'm already seeing people say on tf.n "Don't bother buying the Essential Guides.  Wookieepedia is better."
Feb 23 19:15:43 *	Herbsewell likes them to
Feb 23 19:15:45 <Cull_Tremayne>	We really can't have the book-based galleries. We'll be in really deep for stuff like that.
Feb 23 19:15:45 <Karohalva>	Keep galleries. But within reason.
Feb 23 19:15:47 <Ataru>	Gallery of individuals is ridiculous
Feb 23 19:15:52 ---	LO|food is now known as Lord_Oblivion
Feb 23 19:15:53 *	sannse runs out of awakeness and departs ... will read the rest of the log tomorrow
Feb 23 19:15:55 <JorrelFraajic>	Wookieepedia is better :-P
Feb 23 19:15:55 <Joker1138>	So do i (Like Gallerys!)
Feb 23 19:15:56 <Ataru>	per Karohalva
Feb 23 19:15:58 <LtNOWIS>	I like "Gallery of deaths of individuals"
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Feb 23 19:16:01 <LucidFox>	Ataru, I also like galleries, but this doesn't negate the fact that I want them gone
Feb 23 19:16:01 <jSarek>	G'nyte sannse.
Feb 23 19:16:03 <Gonk>	Lucid: I don't think LFL would care
Feb 23 19:16:04 <Herbsewell>	I think we can get rid of Book galleried
Feb 23 19:16:08 <The4dotelipsis>	Just use image categories, you sooks.
Feb 23 19:16:08 <Riffsyphon1024>	i would buy the next Essential Guide regardless, jSarek
Feb 23 19:16:10 <Ozzel>	Character galleries, though, I like. Luke's, for example, could contain pictures of Luke from other articles.
Feb 23 19:16:18 <McEwok>	Set up an image
Feb 23 19:16:20 <Joker1138>	Vote in the Senate Hall
Feb 23 19:16:24 <Imperialles>	No vote.
Feb 23 19:16:25 <Cull_Tremayne>	NO
Feb 23 19:16:26 <McEwok>	*set up an imagecruft purge
Feb 23 19:16:26 <Gonk>	Same potential problem, 4dot
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Feb 23 19:16:28 <Ataru>	Ok, but only if EVERY article from a NEG gets the appropriate image
Feb 23 19:16:28 <Joker1138>	list and deside
Feb 23 19:16:34 <Riffsyphon1024>	No Cruft Purges!
Feb 23 19:16:35 <Jaymach>	can we agree to temporarily delete all galleries so that we can get rid of gallery-only images?
Feb 23 19:16:35 <jSarek>	Riffs:  So would I; but when that's actual advice in fansites, we're getting close to having a problem.
Feb 23 19:16:35 <LtNOWIS>	And character galleries also are good if you're searching for new images for an article.
Feb 23 19:16:36 <Cull_Tremayne>	This isn't a voting issue.
Feb 23 19:16:43 <QuentinGeorge>	Exactly.....character based gallereis are perhaps ok, as long as we don't have images uploaded purely for gallereis. Book-based ones have gotta go.
Feb 23 19:16:43 <Jaymach>	then galleries can be reformed with images from other articles
Feb 23 19:16:45 <LucidFox>	Jaymach, that's a good idea
Feb 23 19:16:46 <Ataru>	Per LtNOWIS
Feb 23 19:16:47 <Ozzel>	No!
Feb 23 19:16:51 <Imperialles>	Per Jaymach.
Feb 23 19:16:56 <JorrelFraajic>	I say postpone.
Feb 23 19:16:56 <Darth_Culator>	Jaymach: YES!
Feb 23 19:16:57 <Xwing328>	Character = good, species = good, unknown = good, non-article images = bad, book (like images from NEGTD) = bad book cover = good
Feb 23 19:17:00 <Lord_Oblivion>	Sorry to go off topic but, what was the consensus for merging appearances and sources?
Feb 23 19:17:10 <Darth_Culator>	Xwing: Quite succinct.
Feb 23 19:17:11 <JorrelFraajic>	per Xwing.
Feb 23 19:17:12 <Riffsyphon1024>	i said no to that LO
Feb 23 19:17:12 <LucidFox>	or we can move galleries offsite
Feb 23 19:17:13 <Gonk>	Like I said, sounds like we need many separate threads/policies
Feb 23 19:17:14 <Imperialles>	No consensus, LO
Feb 23 19:17:16 <Karohalva>	What of vehicle galleries?
Feb 23 19:17:17 <jSarek>	Jaymach's got a good idea.
Feb 23 19:17:17 <Ataru>	postpone until reference mess is figured out
Feb 23 19:17:19 <Joker1138>	Planets and moons == Good
Feb 23 19:17:21 <Azzt_Rhell>	Per Xwing.
Feb 23 19:17:21 <LucidFox>	with them merely linking to Wookiee images
Feb 23 19:17:22 <Riffsyphon1024>	ok no consensus
Feb 23 19:17:24 <Ataru>	Per Xwing
Feb 23 19:17:27 <Xwing328>	vehicle/planet/etc = good
Feb 23 19:17:27 <Ozzel>	Can we IFD the images?
Feb 23 19:17:33 <Riffsyphon1024>	CT this one
Feb 23 19:17:36 <Lord_Oblivion>	CT?
Feb 23 19:17:36 <Jaymach>	so are we agreed to delete all galleries for now, at least?
Feb 23 19:17:37 <Joker1138>	few!
Feb 23 19:17:41 <Ataru>	no
Feb 23 19:17:42 <Ozzel>	No!
Feb 23 19:17:42 <Joker1138>	NO
Feb 23 19:17:43 <JorrelFraajic>	CT.
Feb 23 19:17:44 <Riffsyphon1024>	no we are not
Feb 23 19:17:46 <Ineedaname>	No
Feb 23 19:17:47 <McEwok>	Gallery of Ryloth Orbital Shots
Feb 23 19:17:50 <Jaymach>	look
Feb 23 19:17:51 <Jack_Nebulax>	No.
Feb 23 19:17:52 <Lord_Oblivion>	No
Feb 23 19:17:55 <LtNOWIS>	Do we agree to get rid of book-based galleries?
Feb 23 19:17:56 <Karohalva>	Is it possible to prevent the images from being saved to a home computer? If they were only on the website that would be fine.
Feb 23 19:17:58 <Jaymach>	this is deleting the galleries for DAYS
Feb 23 19:17:59 <Xwing328>	Jaymach - just unused and Images from (book name)
Feb 23 19:17:59 <JainaSolo>	No
Feb 23 19:18:00 <Jaymach>	not even weeks
Feb 23 19:18:04 <Jaymach>	it's to get rid of unused images
Feb 23 19:18:10 <Ataru>	Agreed with Xwing
Feb 23 19:18:12 <Riffsyphon1024>	this is a major issue that needs a major vote
Feb 23 19:18:13 <Karohalva>	Do not delete galleries. Yet.
Feb 23 19:18:13 <Joker1138>	I would delet half my stuff before i see Planets and Moons go!!
Feb 23 19:18:14 <Xwing328>	Karohalva - no its not
Feb 23 19:18:16 <Jaymach>	if they're in galleries only, and we delete galleries, they appear in the Unused images list
Feb 23 19:18:18 <McEwok>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Ryloth - a page with three pics of the planet from orbit is silly.
Feb 23 19:18:21 <Jaymach>	then we can delete them, then reform the galleries
Feb 23 19:18:23 <Darth_Culator>	Jaymach: I'll find them myself even if we don't do it the easy way.
Feb 23 19:18:28 <Riffsyphon1024>	joker enough with the Planets and Moons
Feb 23 19:18:33 <JorrelFraajic>	Yes.
Feb 23 19:18:35 <Darth_Culator>	Gallery-only images must go.
Feb 23 19:18:37 <Jaymach>	I'm not suggesting we delete the galleries for a long time
Feb 23 19:18:38 <JorrelFraajic>	Yes.
Feb 23 19:18:39 <Ataru>	Per Riff, Joker. I will so-kick you
Feb 23 19:18:40 <Darth_Culator>	Book-based galleries must go.
Feb 23 19:18:44 <Ataru>	Ok
Feb 23 19:18:44 <Ozzel>	Let's IFD them, at least.
Feb 23 19:18:45 <Riffsyphon1024>	though i want to keep them myself
Feb 23 19:18:45 <Joker1138>	sorry it took me 5 hours
Feb 23 19:18:45 <jSarek>	Yeah, it may take forever, but probably less time than getting people to delete teh gallleries . . .
Feb 23 19:18:48 <Jaymach>	just delete them for a few days so we can get rid of gallery-only images
Feb 23 19:18:55 <Jaymach>	so we're no longer breaking the frelling law
Feb 23 19:18:55 <Karohalva>	Then I still urge my half-pint version idea. It would be less than what you'd get if you bought the real things.
Feb 23 19:18:59 <Ataru>	Only for a we days
Feb 23 19:19:01 <Ataru>	*few
Feb 23 19:19:03 <Riffsyphon1024>	define the law
Feb 23 19:19:06 <JorrelFraajic>	Mmmm... per Jaymach.
Feb 23 19:19:18 <Xwing328>	Karohalva - then you'd have pointless arguments over which images to use, etc.
Feb 23 19:19:22 <Jaymach>	under fair use, we can use images to illustrate articles
Feb 23 19:19:23 <Karohalva>	True.
Feb 23 19:19:24 <Cull_Tremayne>	We are below the law.
Feb 23 19:19:26 <Jaymach>	galleries are not articles
Feb 23 19:19:29 *	Riffsyphon1024 just realized that he's become a hyperinclusionist
Feb 23 19:19:31 <jSarek>	Riffs:  Fair use violation.
Feb 23 19:19:38 <Jaymach>	images used only in galleries are there for the sake of being there
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Feb 23 19:19:44 <LucidFox>	"the law" = the law Wikia servers operate under
Feb 23 19:19:44 <Jaymach>	not to help illustrate an article
Feb 23 19:19:46 <LucidFox>	= US law
Feb 23 19:19:54 <Gonk>	wait a sec. What does Memory Alpha do?
Feb 23 19:19:56 <Riffsyphon1024>	ok ok, moving on to next topic
Feb 23 19:20:01 <Ataru>	Let's kill all gallery-only images and remove all Book based galleries
Feb 23 19:20:02 <Cull_Tremayne>	Why US law? :P
Feb 23 19:20:07 <LtNOWIS>	Why are we concerned about fair use for this but not for template images?
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Feb 23 19:20:08 <Ozzel>	Wait, nothing's getting deleted yet, is it?
Feb 23 19:20:12 <JorrelFraajic>	Per Gonk.
Feb 23 19:20:15 <jSarek>	Cull:  The servers are here.
Feb 23 19:20:15 <Karohalva>	What, then, of deleting galleries but keeping the images in their respective articles?
Feb 23 19:20:18 <Xwing328>	Ditto Ataru, as we said b4
Feb 23 19:20:19 <Ataru>	Not per Gonk.
Feb 23 19:20:19 <LucidFox>	because Wikia is a US company and its servers are located in the US
Feb 23 19:20:20 <Lord_Oblivion>	Get permision from LFL.
Feb 23 19:20:26 <Cull_Tremayne>	jSarek: It was just a joke. :P
Feb 23 19:20:27 <Riffsyphon1024>	CT should be made for this before a decision is finalized
Feb 23 19:20:28 <LucidFox>	Lord_Oblivion, NO.
Feb 23 19:20:31 <LucidFox>	GFDL!
Feb 23 19:20:33 <Jaymach>	if the images can be placed in article, then place them in articles
Feb 23 19:20:33 <JorrelFraajic>	CT.
Feb 23 19:20:34 <jSarek>	Ah, sorry.
Feb 23 19:20:35 <Gonk>	per Riff. CT
Feb 23 19:20:35 <Jaymach>	if not, they get deleted
Feb 23 19:20:38 <McEwok>	It's not a question of CT.
Feb 23 19:20:38 <Xwing328>	Riff - I thought this was the CT
Feb 23 19:20:40 <Riffsyphon1024>	Wikia has a server in Poland
Feb 23 19:20:43 <Ozzel>	I just ask that there be some kind of notification first.
Feb 23 19:20:43 <Xwing328>	just on steroids :P
Feb 23 19:20:45 <Imperialles>	No CT.
Feb 23 19:20:45 <Lord_Oblivion>	HAHA
Feb 23 19:20:47 <Darth_Culator>	Gallery-on-article is becoming popular.
Feb 23 19:20:47 <LucidFox>	if we get permission from LFL, we can't shield downhill redistributors
Feb 23 19:20:49 <Ataru>	No CT
Feb 23 19:20:56 <Darth_Culator>	I've set that up on several pages.
Feb 23 19:21:01 <QuentinGeorge>	A lot fo those template imageges are a) Very low quality B) Already used in articles - for example, the Darth Vader image on the majorspoiler template is used in his article
Feb 23 19:21:06 <LucidFox>	because the permission will only cover us, not those who reuses our content
Feb 23 19:21:14 <LucidFox>	and this is unacceptable
Feb 23 19:21:16 <QuentinGeorge>	Bit o lag, sorry. :|
Feb 23 19:21:18 <Xwing328>	Well we at least have consensus to delete gallery only/from book - so lets go with that and move on
Feb 23 19:21:25 <Ataru>	Agree witih Xwing, I do
Feb 23 19:21:27 <Karohalva>	Delete gallery only.
Feb 23 19:21:27 <McEwok>	Move to appoing Jaymach as Grand Moff with special responsibility for imagecruft  purge
Feb 23 19:21:28 <Darth_Culator>	Yes, fine.
Feb 23 19:21:31 <QuentinGeorge>	Yep. Agreed with Xwing
Feb 23 19:21:31 <Gonk>	it appears, from a quick check, that memory alpha does not do galleries but DOES do image categories
Feb 23 19:21:34 <jSarek>	And lets nail that overbroad characters one, too.
Feb 23 19:21:35 <Azzt_Rhell>	Per Xwing.
Feb 23 19:21:39 <Imperialles>	We can still delete gallery-only images as we find them =)
Feb 23 19:21:40 <Karohalva>	What?
Feb 23 19:21:41 <JorrelFraajic>	per Xwing.
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Feb 23 19:21:42 <Cull_Tremayne>	We can get under the rader for violating fair-use with templates. We won't get under it if we scan entire books and upload them to "galleries".
Feb 23 19:21:46 <JorrelFraajic>	And Imp.
Feb 23 19:21:51 <Ozzel>	I don't want to see gallery pages deleted temporarily, because some of them have a lot of work done (with captions for each image).
Feb 23 19:21:52 <Riffsyphon1024>	why does it have to be an "imagecruft purge", remember how Wookiee was founded?
Feb 23 19:21:52 <jSarek>	I think that will go a long way toward finding gallery-only images.,
Feb 23 19:21:52 <JorrelFraajic>	And Cull
Feb 23 19:21:55 <Darth_Culator>	CT: Exactly the point.
Feb 23 19:21:55 <Joker1138>	no, but no one listens to me anyway
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Feb 23 19:22:09 <Gonk>	Per Cull, we should have a warning to that effect on the upload page
Feb 23 19:22:10 <Jaymach>	(Ozzel): if we delete them, we can undelete them with all content kept
Feb 23 19:22:11 <McEwok>	Riff:tongue/cheek; also, stresses seriousnesss.
Feb 23 19:22:17 <Lord_Oblivion>	When do we scan whole books?
Feb 23 19:22:18 <Jaymach>	people won't have to remake them, we just have to press a button
Feb 23 19:22:19 <Ozzel>	Okay, fair enough.
Feb 23 19:22:24 <LtNOWIS>	Don't delete the images just yet.
Feb 23 19:22:30 <Cull_Tremayne>	Warnings haven't done much as of late...
Feb 23 19:22:33 <Ataru>	Yeah, we can undelete pretty easily. But try to place then in articles first
Feb 23 19:22:33 <Joker1138>	I have saved my 'Favorite'
Feb 23 19:22:40 <Ozzel>	Yes, I still say we need to know before anything is deleted.
Feb 23 19:22:42 <Cull_Tremayne>	The entire upload page is a warning at the moment.
Feb 23 19:22:43 <jSarek>	Riffs:  Because our *text* doesn't break the law like our images do.
Feb 23 19:22:44 <Ataru>	Don't just delete like crazy- try and place them somewhere
Feb 23 19:22:44 <Jaymach>	basically, I'm proposing deleting all of them....making a CT/Senate Hall thread that has all of the images in them
Feb 23 19:22:47 <Gonk>	Still, Cull, then you have a rule to point to.
Feb 23 19:22:52 <Jaymach>	so that people have a chance to put them in article
Feb 23 19:23:03 <Jaymach>	give that say...a month...then delete all images that aren't used
Feb 23 19:23:04 <Ataru>	okay Jaymach. Sounds good
Feb 23 19:23:07 <Jaymach>	then restore the galleries
Feb 23 19:23:09 <Azzt_Rhell>	How would you sort theM?
Feb 23 19:23:09 <Ataru>	ok
Feb 23 19:23:10 <LtNOWIS>	Jaymach: that sounds good.
Feb 23 19:23:14 <Cull_Tremayne>	Huh? There are linked to guidelines all over that page.
Feb 23 19:23:14 <Riffsyphon1024>	that is what we want, putting them in articles
Feb 23 19:23:17 <McEwok>	Agreed with Jaymach.
Feb 23 19:23:23 <Gonk>	Me too
Feb 23 19:23:24 <Riffsyphon1024>	save what we can
Feb 23 19:23:25 <Karohalva>	I propose leaving which images are deleted up to a concensus of administrators.
Feb 23 19:23:26 <Joker1138>	not agreed
Feb 23 19:23:30 <Ataru>	Consensus reached-- new topic
Feb 23 19:23:35 <Ataru>	Sorry Joker, you're outvoted
Feb 23 19:23:36 ---	Xwing328 has changed the topic to: When shall we close the coolest and lamest thing votes?
Feb 23 19:23:38 <Riffsyphon1024>	next topic
Feb 23 19:23:39 ---	Darth_Culator has changed the topic to: Mofference: When shall we close the coolest and lamest thing votes?
Feb 23 19:23:40 <Ataru>	ASAP
Feb 23 19:23:43 <Cull_Tremayne>	Now.
Feb 23 19:23:43 <Xwing328>	Bah!
Feb 23 19:23:44 <Ozzel>	Birthday?
Feb 23 19:23:45 <Joker1138>	Nooo , oh well
Feb 23 19:23:46 <Lord_Oblivion>	YES
Feb 23 19:23:47 <Gonk>	per Ataru
Feb 23 19:23:47 <jSarek>	May 5 2007.
Feb 23 19:23:49 <JorrelFraajic>	Wookieepeda birthday.
Feb 23 19:23:53 <Riffsyphon1024>	frack, hasn't it been long enough?
Feb 23 19:23:54 <Darth_Culator>	Move them to a finalist stage now.
Feb 23 19:23:56 <Karohalva>	Now. It is impossible to open or to edit.
Feb 23 19:23:57 <Imperialles>	Now?
Feb 23 19:23:58 <LucidFox>	fine by me
Feb 23 19:23:58 <Xwing328>	Close tomorrow - have runoff for top ten decied on March 4
Feb 23 19:23:59 <Ataru>	Yes, seriously
Feb 23 19:24:00 <Darth_Culator>	Close it on our birthday.
Feb 23 19:24:01 <JorrelFraajic>	per CD.
Feb 23 19:24:01 <Cull_Tremayne>	Fine. :P
Feb 23 19:24:02 <Joker1138>	YES DEAR GOD CLOSE THEM
Feb 23 19:24:04 <LtNOWIS>	Agree with Culator
Feb 23 19:24:06 <JorrelFraajic>	DC*
Feb 23 19:24:08 <Gonk>	per XW
Feb 23 19:24:09 <jSarek>	It's about Star Wars's birthday, not ours.
Feb 23 19:24:12 <Ataru>	I'm so tired of reading dumb comments
Feb 23 19:24:12 <LucidFox>	per Xwing328
Feb 23 19:24:13 <JorrelFraajic>	So?
Feb 23 19:24:14 <Riffsyphon1024>	finalist stage agreed
Feb 23 19:24:14 <Karohalva>	Have a four week limit for such things to be up.
Feb 23 19:24:14 <--	Cull_Tremayne has kicked Joker1138 from #wookieepedia (No need to shout. :P)
Feb 23 19:24:15 <Azzt_Rhell>	CLOSE IT!(Please....)
Feb 23 19:24:15 <The4dotelipsis>	Yes, close them, the clog up the RC so...much!
Feb 23 19:24:16 <Ataru>	Move to finalist
Feb 23 19:24:19 <JorrelFraajic>	per Ataru
Feb 23 19:24:19 <Jaymach>	I've stayed away from them, so don't really care :P
Feb 23 19:24:21 <Xwing328>	k...close on bday - runoff till SW bday?
Feb 23 19:24:24 <LtNOWIS>	yeah, our own birthday would be hubristic
Feb 23 19:24:33 <jSarek>	Xwing:  I like it!
Feb 23 19:24:33 <Ozzel>	Yes, the finalist thing could work, maybe with weveryone only allowed on vote?
Feb 23 19:24:34 <Riffsyphon1024>	birthday to birthday sounds like a plan
Feb 23 19:24:34 <Cull_Tremayne>	Ditto for Jaymach.
Feb 23 19:24:36 <Darth_Culator>	You have a problem with hubris?
Feb 23 19:24:38 <Ataru>	Move to finalist on our birthday, close on SW b-day
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Feb 23 19:24:39 <JorrelFraajic>	Per Xwing!
Feb 23 19:24:41 <Xwing328>	Yes, one vote
Feb 23 19:24:44 <Gonk>	per Ataru
Feb 23 19:24:46 <Ineedaname>	There's 2 vandals that still need blocking
Feb 23 19:24:46 <LucidFox>	when is the SW birthday?
Feb 23 19:24:47 <Joker1138>	On the day
Feb 23 19:24:47 <Azzt_Rhell>	Hubris is good.
Feb 23 19:24:49 <JorrelFraajic>	per Ataru.
Feb 23 19:24:51 <Riffsyphon1024>	march 4
Feb 23 19:24:54 <Azzt_Rhell>	Per Xwing.
Feb 23 19:24:55 <Ozzel>	5-25-77
Feb 23 19:24:56 <Gonk>	just a little hubris is good.
Feb 23 19:24:58 <Riffsyphon1024>	and may 25
Feb 23 19:25:04 <Cull_Tremayne>	Who wants the honors? Or we're going to get another overlap... :P
Feb 23 19:25:09 <LucidFox>	well, then I guess Xwing's proposal is the best:
Feb 23 19:25:10 <Xwing328>	I'll do it
Feb 23 19:25:15 <Joker1138>	ok
Feb 23 19:25:17 <JorrelFraajic>	Ok.
Feb 23 19:25:17 <Lord_Oblivion>	Vandals?
Feb 23 19:25:19 <Xwing328>	Top ten by tomorrow
Feb 23 19:25:22 <LucidFox>	move to finalist stage on our birthday
Feb 23 19:25:24 <Xwing328>	by bday Imean
Feb 23 19:25:25 <Karohalva>	Nebulax seems to be fighting them.
Feb 23 19:25:29 <Riffsyphon1024>	finalists top 5
Feb 23 19:25:32 <JorrelFraajic>	per Lucid.
Feb 23 19:25:33 <LucidFox>	and close on SW's
Feb 23 19:25:34 <Xwing328>	Top 5?
Feb 23 19:25:34 <Joker1138>	Go Jack!
Feb 23 19:25:37 <Ozzel>	Give it a few more hours, at least, so we can all go over them again.
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Feb 23 19:25:40 <Ataru>	I'm going to go kill vandals
Feb 23 19:25:43 <JorrelFraajic>	Top 10
Feb 23 19:25:45 <Ineedaname>	Jaymach: Crumb 423 too
Feb 23 19:25:46 <Xwing328>	5 or 10 - no other comments for a sec
Feb 23 19:25:48 <Lord_Oblivion>	Taking advantage of the mofference?
Feb 23 19:25:50 <Starkiller1996>	Hi, good´noon
Feb 23 19:25:52 <Ozzel>	10
Feb 23 19:25:54 <LucidFox>	...
Feb 23 19:25:55 <Ozzel>	at least
Feb 23 19:25:57 <LucidFox>	10
Feb 23 19:26:00 <Xwing328>	10
Feb 23 19:26:00 *	Ataru warns everyone be on topic or else
Feb 23 19:26:04 <Joker1138>	yeah 10 is good
Feb 23 19:26:05 <Riffsyphon1024>	final plan, Top 10 till Wookiee bday, Top 5 til C4
Feb 23 19:26:06 <Starkiller1996>	This ist the "Morfference?
Feb 23 19:26:08 <The4dotelipsis>	10
Feb 23 19:26:17 <Azzt_Rhell>	howbout top 8 &has to have at least 25% of the vote?
Feb 23 19:26:19 <LucidFox>	per Riffsyphon1025
Feb 23 19:26:19 <Ozzel>	Eh, do we need 10 and 5?
Feb 23 19:26:20 <LucidFox>	per Riffsyphon1024
Feb 23 19:26:21 <Xwing328>	with Riff
Feb 23 19:26:23 <The4dotelipsis>	No, this is the Inflatable Forklift comittee.
Feb 23 19:26:31 <Lord_Oblivion>	Yep
Feb 23 19:26:32 <Gonk>	March 4 (10 finalists), May 5 (winner)
Feb 23 19:26:33 <jSarek>	Starkiller:  Yes.
Feb 23 19:26:48 <Starkiller1996>	How do you speak in this moment?
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Feb 23 19:26:50 <JorrelFraajic>	per Gonk.
Feb 23 19:27:00 <LucidFox>	kik
Feb 23 19:27:02 <The4dotelipsis>	CT: Superb.
Feb 23 19:27:02 <JorrelFraajic>	Good.
Feb 23 19:27:05 <Ataru>	Thank you
Feb 23 19:27:05 <Gonk>	it needs a couple months for people to make their decision
Feb 23 19:27:06 <Joker1138>	per Gonk#
Feb 23 19:27:06 <Xwing328>	next - 
Feb 23 19:27:09 <Riffsyphon1024>	next topic?
Feb 23 19:27:10 <JorrelFraajic>	Block him now.
Feb 23 19:27:12 <Ataru>	new topic
Feb 23 19:27:12 <Karohalva>	One month
Feb 23 19:27:15 <JorrelFraajic>	Next.
Feb 23 19:27:16 <Azzt_Rhell>	howbout top 8 &has to have at least 25% of the vote?(don't hurt me)
Feb 23 19:27:18 <Ozzel>	May 5?
Feb 23 19:27:24 <The4dotelipsis>	Yes...do lets talk about the new topic. ;)
Feb 23 19:27:29 <JorrelFraajic>	No, May 25th.
Feb 23 19:27:30 ---	Darth_Culator has changed the topic to: Mofference: The Wookiee-Cast.
Feb 23 19:27:31 <Xwing328>	March 4 to May 25
Feb 23 19:27:32 <Ozzel>	Okay.
Feb 23 19:27:36 <Gonk>	er, whichever :)
Feb 23 19:27:37 <jSarek>	Yeah, I had it wrong, may 25.
Feb 23 19:27:37 <Riffsyphon1024>	Wookiee-Cast!
Feb 23 19:27:38 <Xwing328>	Wookiee-Cast!
Feb 23 19:27:38 <JorrelFraajic>	Yay! Wookiee-Cast!
Feb 23 19:27:41 <The4dotelipsis>	Alright then.
Feb 23 19:27:43 <Joker1138>	Wookie Cast?? whats that
Feb 23 19:27:44 <Imperialles>	Wookieecast*
Feb 23 19:27:47 <Karohalva>	What is WookieCast?
Feb 23 19:27:48 <JorrelFraajic>	Wait, what's the problem?
Feb 23 19:27:52 <The4dotelipsis>	First, I want to talk about User Involvment.
Feb 23 19:27:53 <Azzt_Rhell>	What's there to discuss?
Feb 23 19:27:53 <LtNOWIS>	A podcast 4dot made.
Feb 23 19:27:55 <Gonk>	What is the debate on the WookieeCast?
Feb 23 19:27:56 *	Ataru is killing vandals. Hold up
Feb 23 19:27:57 <jSarek>	Wookieecast!  Great time for me to brb.
Feb 23 19:27:57 <LucidFox>	my proposal: make it semi-official, and add an official help page
Feb 23 19:27:58 <JorrelFraajic>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/WP:WC
Feb 23 19:28:05 <JorrelFraajic>	EVERYONE: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/WP:WC
Feb 23 19:28:06 <LucidFox>	ah, it's a ready there
Feb 23 19:28:11 <LucidFox>	BUT
Feb 23 19:28:12 <Xwing328>	with LucidFox
Feb 23 19:28:14 <Riffsyphon1024>	"We're here, but not queer"
Feb 23 19:28:15 <LucidFox>	IT MUST BE FOR ALL OSES
Feb 23 19:28:15 <Jaymach>	should we make it humorous? informative? etc
Feb 23 19:28:23 <Imperialles>	Both
Feb 23 19:28:25 <LucidFox>	not just Windows
Feb 23 19:28:25 <JorrelFraajic>	Per LucidFox.
Feb 23 19:28:26 <Ozzel>	My only worry is, I don't want people to get talked about in it and get upset.
Feb 23 19:28:26 <The4dotelipsis>	It's humourous. And informative.
Feb 23 19:28:27 <Joker1138>	yeah
Feb 23 19:28:27 <LucidFox>	and iTunes
Feb 23 19:28:28 <Azzt_Rhell>	both.
Feb 23 19:28:29 <JorrelFraajic>	and Imp.
Feb 23 19:28:29 <Karohalva>	And helpful.
Feb 23 19:28:32 <Xwing328>	iTunes just happens to be an easy way to host it
Feb 23 19:28:37 <Jaymach>	(LucidFox): it's released as a podcast, and .mp3
Feb 23 19:28:39 <Xwing328>	they can still directly link to files
Feb 23 19:28:42 <Jaymach>	I can host it if needed
Feb 23 19:28:46 <Riffsyphon1024>	but it can also be downloaded and played on windows media
Feb 23 19:28:51 <Xwing328>	podcast = mp3. We also have ogg atm
Feb 23 19:28:52 <Ineedaname>	A direct link would be helpful
Feb 23 19:28:52 <LucidFox>	ahem
Feb 23 19:28:53 <Joker1138>	good
Feb 23 19:28:55 <Gonk>	I propose everyone who hasn't actually listened to the first one yet needs to NOT propose anything here.
Feb 23 19:28:56 <LucidFox>	what I meant was
Feb 23 19:29:02 <The4dotelipsis>	*ahem* Mi-mi-mi-mi...
Feb 23 19:29:04 <Gonk>	Because it may not be what you think it is.
Feb 23 19:29:06 *	Ataru hasn't heard it
Feb 23 19:29:07 <JorrelFraajic>	per Gonk.
Feb 23 19:29:07 <Cull_Tremayne>	It doesn't need to be official.
Feb 23 19:29:08 <Ozzel>	True.
Feb 23 19:29:09 <LucidFox>	we need instructions for Windows, Linux and Mac
Feb 23 19:29:10 <Ataru>	per Gonk
Feb 23 19:29:13 <LucidFox>	on connecting
Feb 23 19:29:16 <JorrelFraajic>	Ataru: Hear it.
Feb 23 19:29:22 <Jaymach>	ah :) true
Feb 23 19:29:26 *	Azzt_Rhell wonders where he can see the first one.
Feb 23 19:29:27 <Ozzel>	Well, we need to decide if it will be *official* or not.
Feb 23 19:29:28 <Lord_Oblivion>	Hear it you must
Feb 23 19:29:29 <JorrelFraajic>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/WP:WC
Feb 23 19:29:35 <JorrelFraajic>	That's for Azzt.
Feb 23 19:29:37 <Joker1138>	I look forward o hering that
Feb 23 19:29:40 <Gonk>	Have you heard it Ozzel?
Feb 23 19:29:41 <Imperialles>	It's all very Australian
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Feb 23 19:29:42 <Azzt_Rhell>	y
Feb 23 19:29:44 <Ozzel>	Yes
Feb 23 19:29:45 <Riffsyphon1024>	he is representing us, possible official
Feb 23 19:29:47 <Azzt_Rhell>	ty
Feb 23 19:29:48 <The4dotelipsis>	May I speak?
Feb 23 19:29:49 <JorrelFraajic>	Someone needs to put it in the topic.
Feb 23 19:29:51 <JorrelFraajic>	Yes.
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Feb 23 19:29:55 <Cull_Tremayne>	VERY Australian. :P
Feb 23 19:30:00 <The4dotelipsis>	OK. I wanted to talk about several things,
Feb 23 19:30:03 <Lord_Oblivion>	Let 4dot speak
Feb 23 19:30:09 <McEwok>	....
Feb 23 19:30:10 <The4dotelipsis>	First of all, user involvment with the Wookiee-Cast.
Feb 23 19:30:12 ---	LucidFox has changed the topic to: Mofference: The Wookiee-Cast. (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/WP:WC )
Feb 23 19:30:13 <Riffsyphon1024>	4dot sounds like Dexter
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Feb 23 19:30:19 <JorrelFraajic>	lol
Feb 23 19:30:21 <The4dotelipsis>	Three options I place before ye:
Feb 23 19:30:21 <Darth_Culator>	SILENCE.
Feb 23 19:30:23 *	Ataru is ambivalent
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Feb 23 19:30:32 <The4dotelipsis>	1) Submit News Content.
Feb 23 19:30:48 <Azzt_Rhell>	News or New?
Feb 23 19:30:50 <The4dotelipsis>	You can do that by adding something under next weeks line-up.
Feb 23 19:30:52 <The4dotelipsis>	News.
Feb 23 19:30:57 <Azzt_Rhell>	Ah.
Feb 23 19:30:58 <Azzt_Rhell>	k.
Feb 23 19:30:59 <JorrelFraajic>	Ok.
Feb 23 19:31:01 <JorrelFraajic>	Good.
Feb 23 19:31:02 <The4dotelipsis>	Remember to provide a link, and sign.
Feb 23 19:31:02 <Riffsyphon1024>	Wookieepedia News and Events
Feb 23 19:31:09 <The4dotelipsis>	2) Submit Suggestions
Feb 23 19:31:11 <The4dotelipsis>	Again, sign.
Feb 23 19:31:13 <JorrelFraajic>	Good.
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Feb 23 19:31:15 <JorrelFraajic>	Like mine?
Feb 23 19:31:22 <The4dotelipsis>	But Hear This: I refuse to talk about Fanon.
Feb 23 19:31:28 <Xwing328>	good
Feb 23 19:31:30 <Ataru>	Excellent
Feb 23 19:31:31 *	Gonk smiles
Feb 23 19:31:32 <Cull_Tremayne>	Seriously?
Feb 23 19:31:33 <Azzt_Rhell>	Good.
Feb 23 19:31:33 <The4dotelipsis>	3) Submit Content.
Feb 23 19:31:34 <Lord_Oblivion>	Good
Feb 23 19:31:34 <Ozzel>	Good, you'd better now.
Feb 23 19:31:35 <Joker1138>	I Have the cast on now
Feb 23 19:31:36 <Cull_Tremayne>	NOOOOOO!!!!
Feb 23 19:31:37 <Cull_Tremayne>	:P
Feb 23 19:31:38 <Karohalva>	Fanon does not go here.
Feb 23 19:31:38 <Ozzel>	*not!
Feb 23 19:31:42 <JorrelFraajic>	Inflatable FOrklifts are good, right?
Feb 23 19:31:44 <The4dotelipsis>	Be it an audio file, or something you want me to read out.
Feb 23 19:31:51 <Lord_Oblivion>	What about ridiculing fanon
Feb 23 19:31:51 <JorrelFraajic>	Alright, again.
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Feb 23 19:32:01 <The4dotelipsis>	I may ridicule fanon from time to time.
Feb 23 19:32:03 <Xwing328>	yes! ridicule is good
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Feb 23 19:32:06 <Riffsyphon1024>	plenty of things to discuss
Feb 23 19:32:06 <Darth_Culator>	LO has a good point. We can ridicule fanon.
Feb 23 19:32:07 <Gonk>	nothing specific I hope
Feb 23 19:32:11 <Imperialles>	So to summarize: 4dot needs help making a great podcast.
Feb 23 19:32:12 <Cull_Tremayne>	I want you to read the Darth Vatrir article.
Feb 23 19:32:13 <Imperialles>	So help away
Feb 23 19:32:15 <Riffsyphon1024>	Saxtonites vs Fandalorians
Feb 23 19:32:16 <Azzt_Rhell>	per Culator.
Feb 23 19:32:22 <JorrelFraajic>	lol
Feb 23 19:32:25 <JorrelFraajic>	per Culator
Feb 23 19:32:36 <Azzt_Rhell>	Riff: Say What?
Feb 23 19:32:37 <The4dotelipsis>	This is satirical, so if you get mentioned or zinged on the podcast, it is all in jest.
Feb 23 19:32:38 <Ataru>	No specific ridicule on Wookieepedia users (except those name ekiM zzaK
Feb 23 19:32:44 <Gonk>	Is it your intent, 4dot, to *keep* it pretty much entirely satirical? Like a parody of similar 'casts?
Feb 23 19:32:54 <Cull_Tremayne>	I'm doing a running tally of people that get mentioned in the podcast. :P
Feb 23 19:32:56 <Riffsyphon1024>	lol Ataru
Feb 23 19:33:02 <Karohalva>	How many more topics are there?
Feb 23 19:33:02 <The4dotelipsis>	Yes, it is first and foremost a parody of the Force-Cast.
Feb 23 19:33:03 <JorrelFraajic>	And Starkiller1996.
Feb 23 19:33:08 <Gonk>	Cull: we need a userbox for that
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Feb 23 19:33:09 <Ataru>	Be nice
Feb 23 19:33:10 <Lord_Oblivion>	Speaking of which, has Kuralyov heard it
Feb 23 19:33:11 <JorrelFraajic>	And Quinlanfan and his splinter wikis.
Feb 23 19:33:12 <Lord_Oblivion>	?
Feb 23 19:33:13 <Darth_Culator>	I think we can do a Daily Show type thing, with news AND satire.
Feb 23 19:33:15 <Riffsyphon1024>	can anyone say KFan?
Feb 23 19:33:16 <Lord_Oblivion>	Laggy
Feb 23 19:33:16 <JorrelFraajic>	Sorry.
Feb 23 19:33:17 <Joker1138>	lol
Feb 23 19:33:21 <Imperialles>	KFan II*
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Feb 23 19:33:23 <Ozzel>	I'm just afraid of somebody potentially being offended.
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Feb 23 19:33:31 <Ataru>	Yeah, seriously, be nice
Feb 23 19:33:32 <Cull_Tremayne>	Bah, that's why it shouldn't be official.
Feb 23 19:33:32 <LucidFox>	by the way
Feb 23 19:33:33 <Lord_Oblivion>	They can stuff it
Feb 23 19:33:34 <Azzt_Rhell>	People can cope.
Feb 23 19:33:34 <Xwing328>	so we have official support?
Feb 23 19:33:38 <Riffsyphon1024>	perhaps you could read off my list of Darth Users
Feb 23 19:33:38 <Jaymach>	should we have a disclaimer on the official page then?
Feb 23 19:33:39 <The4dotelipsis>	Xwing328 is the technical director, whether he feels like it or not.
Feb 23 19:33:42 <Ozzel>	I'd say keep the user talk to a minimum.
Feb 23 19:33:44 <LucidFox>	we _can_ host media files on Wookieepedia
Feb 23 19:33:44 <Gonk>	In that case, I think it needs to be made VERY CLEAR to everybody that it is NOT supposed to be official and represent the site, to avoid confusion
Feb 23 19:33:46 <Ataru>	Ask people first, or we could potetially get slander suits
Feb 23 19:33:50 <Xwing328>	Good *evil grin*
Feb 23 19:33:51 <jSarek>	Sounds cool, though I'm not sure a (mostly) serious encyclopedia should have an official satire podcast.
Feb 23 19:33:52 <Ataru>	Or per Gonk
Feb 23 19:33:53 <JorrelFraajic>	Good.
Feb 23 19:33:56 <Jaymach>	warning people that it's meant to be taken as humor and does not represent the official view of the Wookieepedia?
Feb 23 19:33:58 <JorrelFraajic>	per Gonk.
Feb 23 19:34:00 <Azzt_Rhell>	per Gonk
Feb 23 19:34:00 <Cull_Tremayne>	Kriff on censoring the podcast. It should just be a satirical thing that Wookieepedians can listen to. If you're offended. Meh.
Feb 23 19:34:01 <Ataru>	Definitely
Feb 23 19:34:03 <Riffsyphon1024>	per Jay
Feb 23 19:34:03 <Jediknight2121>	out of topic sorry Cull read mymesages sorry
Feb 23 19:34:04 <The4dotelipsis>	Also, fair warning: If anyone interferes with this, I will leave nad not do it.
Feb 23 19:34:10 <Azzt_Rhell>	and per Jaymach.
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Feb 23 19:34:12 <Imperialles>	The podcast is a community thing. Even Wikipedia has similar non-serious pages.
Feb 23 19:34:13 ---	Jaymach gives channel operator status to Riffsyphon1024
Feb 23 19:34:13 <McEwok>	Isn't the idea of official satire a case of Wookiee eating itself...?
Feb 23 19:34:16 <LucidFox>	per Cull_Tremayne
Feb 23 19:34:17 <Gonk>	as is your right, 4dot
Feb 23 19:34:18 <Darth_Culator>	Or, since we're all generally agreed it should be a regular thing, could we CT it?
Feb 23 19:34:20 <Joker1138>	Hmm
Feb 23 19:34:27 <Ataru>	CT it
Feb 23 19:34:27 <Ozzel>	Yes, but if it is going to be user bashing, it shouldn't be officially endorsed.
Feb 23 19:34:28 <Imperialles>	Why CT?
Feb 23 19:34:30 <JorrelFraajic>	CT it.
Feb 23 19:34:31 <The4dotelipsis>	I'm doing it weekly.
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Feb 23 19:34:37 <The4dotelipsis>	Whether you like it or not.
Feb 23 19:34:38 <Xwing328>	DC - it just got approved
Feb 23 19:34:39 <JorrelFraajic>	So it's less confusing and laggy.
Feb 23 19:34:41 <Xwing328>	No CT
Feb 23 19:34:43 <Xwing328>	:P
Feb 23 19:34:43 <Imperialles>	Stop with the CTing already... why make things harder than they have to be?
Feb 23 19:34:44 <Darth_Culator>	Because there are a thousand potential ideas which will clog the IRC.
Feb 23 19:34:45 <jSarek>	Per McEwok.
Feb 23 19:34:45 <Riffsyphon1024>	we've already made fun of Kuralyov the bot
Feb 23 19:34:50 <Gonk>	WC simply can't be both official and be what 4dot wants it to be.
Feb 23 19:34:53 <The4dotelipsis>	And, Ozzel, as I said before, no bashing is done in earnest.
Feb 23 19:35:00 *	Ataru wants things to be abundantly clear that no bashing will be done in earnest
Feb 23 19:35:01 <Cull_Tremayne>	I don't want it officially endorsed.
Feb 23 19:35:03 <Lord_Oblivion>	Needed to be done
Feb 23 19:35:04 <Ataru>	 and per Cull
Feb 23 19:35:05 <Gonk>	If somebody thinks there should be a non-satirical WP 'cast, let THAT be brought up in CT
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Feb 23 19:35:24 <The4dotelipsis>	Mind you, I will be providing real Wookieepedia news and such.
Feb 23 19:35:27 <Joker1138>	yes
Feb 23 19:35:29 <Imperialles>	It's not official... it's by Wookieepedians for Wookieepedians
Feb 23 19:35:29 <Xwing328>	Also, what will we do about continuing to host this?
Feb 23 19:35:31 <Riffsyphon1024>	of course
Feb 23 19:35:33 <Lord_Oblivion>	Non-satirical?!
Feb 23 19:35:34 <jSarek>	Not always easy to see what's in earnest and what's not.
Feb 23 19:35:37 <The4dotelipsis>	I'll cover CTs, FAs and GAs, and Improvement Drive.
Feb 23 19:35:41 <Cull_Tremayne>	Something like "4dot's views do not necessarily represent the entire feeling of Wookieepedia". :P
Feb 23 19:35:42 <Ozzel>	I guess we just need to decide if this is the "official" Wookieepedia podcast or if it is not.
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Feb 23 19:35:44 <Lord_Oblivion>	That would be stupid
Feb 23 19:35:45 <Azzt_Rhell>	So...a news show that is actually interesting? Cool.
Feb 23 19:35:48 <McEwok>	When Wookiee starts to have its own fansite, on the other hand... that's silly.
Feb 23 19:35:54 <Gonk>	Ozzel: no
Feb 23 19:36:00 <Darth_Culator>	Wookieepedia-pedia?
Feb 23 19:36:01 <Xwing328>	official with a disclaimer covers any problems
Feb 23 19:36:05 <Azzt_Rhell>	Ozzel:Way no.
Feb 23 19:36:06 <Riffsyphon1024>	oh dang, off topic quickly, im still waiting for Good Articles to be Great Articles, Imp
Feb 23 19:36:07 <Gonk>	DC: ha!
Feb 23 19:36:08 <JorrelFraajic>	DC: lol
Feb 23 19:36:12 <The4dotelipsis>	I'm not going to do any more direct user bashing anyway.
Feb 23 19:36:15 <Ozzel>	'Cause I'd be fine with it just being this fun thing 4dot does for use.
Feb 23 19:36:18 <Karohalva>	Am confused. Don't bother explaining though.
Feb 23 19:36:23 <McEwok>	Culator: http://wookieepedia.wikia.org/wiki/The VT-Ewok War
Feb 23 19:36:25 <Cull_Tremayne>	Agree with Ozzel.
Feb 23 19:36:27 <Gonk>	Me too Ozzel.
Feb 23 19:36:28 <Azzt_Rhell>	DC:Wookiepedia-pedia-pedia et al.
Feb 23 19:36:32 <Imperialles>	Riff: Yeah... I am lazy.
Feb 23 19:36:36 <Joker1138>	yep
Feb 23 19:36:40 <Ozzel>	If that's the case, I'm not sure we really want it on iTunes.
Feb 23 19:36:44 <Gonk>	indeed
Feb 23 19:36:53 <Azzt_Rhell>	Meh.
Feb 23 19:36:54 <Imperialles>	I have lots of notes on my desk about it.. ramblings of a madman, Lovecraft style
Feb 23 19:36:54 <Cull_Tremayne>	I understand that you're not trying to be malicious 4dot, but I "want" the jesting to stay. If people are going to be offended, better to have it be unofficial then to have it censored.
Feb 23 19:36:59 <The4dotelipsis>	Well...I wasn't going to do it until it was put on iTunes.
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Feb 23 19:37:08 <The4dotelipsis>	I wasn't going to do it regularly, that is.
Feb 23 19:37:09 <Azzt_Rhell>	iTunes is ok.
Feb 23 19:37:15 <Riffsyphon1024>	once a podcast, eventually a YouTube video series, then a television sitcom, then a movie....
Feb 23 19:37:18 <Xwing328>	It can have an explicit tag on iTunes if that makes you happy
Feb 23 19:37:20 <LucidFox>	what do you mean "put on iTunes"?
Feb 23 19:37:21 <jSarek>	Per Cull.
Feb 23 19:37:24 <LucidFox>	do you mean Apple hosts it?
Feb 23 19:37:31 <Xwing328>	It's not put on iTunes in that sense
Feb 23 19:37:36 <Imperialles>	per Cull
Feb 23 19:37:37 <Gonk>	ok
Feb 23 19:37:38 <Ozzel>	Not, but it's in their directory.
Feb 23 19:37:39 <The4dotelipsis>	When it was available on iTunes.
Feb 23 19:37:41 <Xwing328>	iTunes merely provides an interface to download it
Feb 23 19:37:42 <Joker1138>	a bit slow but works
Feb 23 19:37:45 <The4dotelipsis>	Up until that point, it was a one-shot joke.
Feb 23 19:37:47 <Jediknight2121>	Cull out of topic sorry  MOFFS  i got ur answer
Feb 23 19:37:47 <Azzt_Rhell>	Riff:What's the movie about?
Feb 23 19:37:54 <Karohalva>	Am now completely confused. Next topic, please?
Feb 23 19:37:55 <Jaymach>	(The4dotelipsis): want me to host it at all?
Feb 23 19:37:57 <Xwing328>	I'm still hosting it myself, which needs to be taken care of...
Feb 23 19:37:57 <Riffsyphon1024>	Wookieepedia
Feb 23 19:38:01 <JorrelFraajic>	next topic?
Feb 23 19:38:02 <Imperialles>	There should totally be transcripts of each episode.
Feb 23 19:38:03 <Xwing328>	Jaymach - yes
Feb 23 19:38:04 <Herbsewell>	How do I download it?
Feb 23 19:38:05 <The4dotelipsis>	That would be nice, Jaymach.
Feb 23 19:38:09 <The4dotelipsis>	Speak to Xwing, though.
Feb 23 19:38:13 <Cull_Tremayne>	JK2121 Are you sure? You're not responding at all. I don't think you have a registered nick.
Feb 23 19:38:14 <Xwing328>	Herbsewell - read the directions
Feb 23 19:38:15 <Riffsyphon1024>	yes transcripts, i requested one for the first already
Feb 23 19:38:17 <Jaymach>	I can shove it in jaymach.com/Wookiee-cast
Feb 23 19:38:18 <Herbsewell>	I did
Feb 23 19:38:22 <Ozzel>	If it's improv, a transcript seems like a lot of trouble.
Feb 23 19:38:23 <Jaymach>	and give you ftp access
Feb 23 19:38:24 <Jediknight2121>	I dont
Feb 23 19:38:24 <Herbsewell>	I don't have Itunes
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Feb 23 19:38:30 <Jediknight2121>	I have answered ur calls sir
Feb 23 19:38:36 <JorrelFraajic>	I can do transcripts easily.
Feb 23 19:38:40 <Xwing328>	Jaymach - yes - though I'll have to update the files and send them to you with new episodes, etc.
Feb 23 19:38:40 <Cull_Tremayne>	I can do a quick transcript.
Feb 23 19:38:41 <JorrelFraajic>	Really easily.
Feb 23 19:38:42 <Jediknight2121>	U were saying hello hello
Feb 23 19:38:45 <Cull_Tremayne>	Or Jorrel can do it. Whatever. :P
Feb 23 19:38:47 <Karohalva>	Next topic, please. It appears that decision was reached.
Feb 23 19:38:50 <The4dotelipsis>	In terms of personal attacks, the only thing I had planned for the future was an audio clip of the "He doesn't like you" dialogue, and then claim that was a recording of Jack and Herbs.
Feb 23 19:38:52 *	Ataru doesn't care much. Next tpoic
Feb 23 19:38:53 <Lord_Oblivion>	Herb, there is a link to listen to it without iTunes
Feb 23 19:38:55 <Jaymach>	(Xwing328): I can just give you access to that folder
Feb 23 19:38:56 <Joker1138>	hopfully
Feb 23 19:38:57 <Riffsyphon1024>	how will we replicate the music at the beginning?
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Feb 23 19:39:01 <Azzt_Rhell>	Next, please.
Feb 23 19:39:05 <Xwing328>	that works too...
Feb 23 19:39:06 <JorrelFraajic>	Next.
Feb 23 19:39:11 *	Herbsewell still doesn't know how to download it
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Feb 23 19:39:12 <McEwok>	move along.
Feb 23 19:39:12 <Xwing328>	lowercase wookiee-cast please
Feb 23 19:39:13 ---	Darth_Culator has changed the topic to: Mofference: Shared user images.
Feb 23 19:39:14 <Gonk>	consensus: it's not official... right?
Feb 23 19:39:21 <Xwing328>	thats for Jaymach *
Feb 23 19:39:23 <Ozzel>	Works for me.
Feb 23 19:39:25 <Ataru>	right
Feb 23 19:39:25 <McEwok>	It's officially unofficial.
Feb 23 19:39:31 <Darth_Culator>	Per McEwok.
Feb 23 19:39:34 <LtNOWIS>	What's this topic all about?
Feb 23 19:39:36 <LucidFox>	what are shared user images?
Feb 23 19:39:36 <Riffsyphon1024>	not official-official
Feb 23 19:39:38 <Ataru>	I dunno
Feb 23 19:39:39 <JorrelFraajic>	per McEwok
Feb 23 19:39:41 <Jaymach>	it's official, but doesn't represent the views of the site itself
Feb 23 19:39:42 <Azzt_Rhell>	Whattawhat?
Feb 23 19:39:46 <Xwing328>	yes
Feb 23 19:39:49 <Xwing328>	since we have a page
Feb 23 19:39:50 <LucidFox>	per Jaymach
Feb 23 19:39:52 <Jaymach>	it's meant as a joke
Feb 23 19:39:53 <Joker1138>	ok
Feb 23 19:39:56 <Ataru>	What are shared user images?
Feb 23 19:39:57 <Lord_Oblivion>	who cares about shared user images?
Feb 23 19:39:58 <Ozzel>	Okay, here's what I mean by "shared user images"
Feb 23 19:40:01 <Karohalva>	That should be easy. We don't have any Palpatine propaganda posters.
Feb 23 19:40:07 <JorrelFraajic>	What are shared user images?
Feb 23 19:40:13 <Ozzel>	An image that mulitple people are using as a userimage
Feb 23 19:40:14 <Imperialles>	God
Feb 23 19:40:17 <Riffsyphon1024>	ones used by more than one user
Feb 23 19:40:20 <Imperialles>	It's a community thing
Feb 23 19:40:21 <Azzt_Rhell>	Ah.
Feb 23 19:40:22 <Ataru>	Ah
Feb 23 19:40:22 <JorrelFraajic>	Ah.
Feb 23 19:40:25 <Ozzel>	Such as, custom userboxes
Feb 23 19:40:26 <Ataru>	lol
Feb 23 19:40:29 <Riffsyphon1024>	choo
Feb 23 19:40:31 <Lord_Oblivion>	"Who cares?"
Feb 23 19:40:35 <LucidFox>	indeed
Feb 23 19:40:35 <Gonk>	And the debate is...?
Feb 23 19:40:36 <Darth_Culator>	It should count as one of the three user-images for all of them.
Feb 23 19:40:37 <JorrelFraajic>	Who cares.
Feb 23 19:40:37 <JainaSolo>	Per LO
Feb 23 19:40:44 <Karohalva>	Then isn't there problem? It must mess with all, however, or else we wouldn't be talking it.
Feb 23 19:40:45 <Ozzel>	DC, that's what I think.
Feb 23 19:40:46 <Azzt_Rhell>	This is a picture that someone took and is using as a userimage?
Feb 23 19:40:48 <The4dotelipsis>	Per Sentry.
Feb 23 19:40:52 <Ataru>	Each one counts as a custom user-image for all of them.
Feb 23 19:40:55 <Xwing328>	yes
Feb 23 19:40:59 <Gonk>	ohhh
Feb 23 19:40:59 <JorrelFraajic>	Sure.
Feb 23 19:41:01 <jSarek>	Per Culator.
Feb 23 19:41:02 <JorrelFraajic>	I guess.
Feb 23 19:41:05 <Ataru>	Only 3 custom images per page, regardless of soruce
Feb 23 19:41:05 <Ozzel>	Thing is, one person could be violating their quota, while another wouldn't.
Feb 23 19:41:07 <Joker1138>	does it matter in the grand scheme of things
Feb 23 19:41:13 <JorrelFraajic>	per Culator.
Feb 23 19:41:15 *	Gonk suddenly realized he might need to revise his userpage a little :D
Feb 23 19:41:16 <Xwing328>	3 per user or per page?
Feb 23 19:41:22 <jSarek>	Then the violater gets modsmacked.
Feb 23 19:41:22 <Riffsyphon1024>	it only makes it less likely to waste space if its used in multiple areas
Feb 23 19:41:24 <Ataru>	3 per user, I guess
Feb 23 19:41:27 <JorrelFraajic>	per user.
Feb 23 19:41:28 <Xwing328>	good
Feb 23 19:41:28 <Azzt_Rhell>	per user
Feb 23 19:41:29 <Darth_Culator>	3 non-article images per user.
Feb 23 19:41:30 <Cull_Tremayne>	Yes, Joker, kick it to the fanon wiki if you really want to deal with it.
Feb 23 19:41:31 <Karohalva>	My userpage is safe. I don't think I have any pictures.
Feb 23 19:41:39 <Joker1138>	What
Feb 23 19:41:40 <JorrelFraajic>	Although, it should go to 5, IMHO
Feb 23 19:41:41 *	Ataru is pretty careful with his
Feb 23 19:41:41 <Ozzel>	Deleting the image could be punishing one person for something someone else did.
Feb 23 19:41:42 <Gonk>	wait, only non-article images?
Feb 23 19:41:48 <Ozzel>	Yes.
Feb 23 19:41:53 <Gonk>	oh. never mind then
Feb 23 19:41:55 <JorrelFraajic>	So far I only have 1 user image.
Feb 23 19:41:59 *	Gonk has zero
Feb 23 19:42:05 *	Lord_Oblivion has none
Feb 23 19:42:08 <Imperialles>	That is all very interesting
Feb 23 19:42:08 *	Azzt_Rhell is with Gonk.
Feb 23 19:42:08 <Riffsyphon1024>	bad example http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/User:Mike Kazz
Feb 23 19:42:12 <Imperialles>	Let's move on...
Feb 23 19:42:13 <JorrelFraajic>	And it's me.
Feb 23 19:42:14 <jSarek>	Ozzel:  Just remove it from their userpage without deletion, then.
Feb 23 19:42:19 <Darth_Culator>	I have one, which currently somebody else is using and I am not.
Feb 23 19:42:21 <Lord_Oblivion>	Mike Kazz!
Feb 23 19:42:21 <Ozzel>	I've thought about the idea of a "user image registry", but that makes it seem like they are a crime or something.
Feb 23 19:42:25 *	Cull_Tremayne is going to have to quote Imp on that one...
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Feb 23 19:42:29 <Darth_Culator>	It would be covered by this policy.
Feb 23 19:42:38 <Azzt_Rhell>	Next, please....
Feb 23 19:42:39 <Jaymach>	(Ozzel): that's actually not a bad idea
Feb 23 19:42:39 <The4dotelipsis>	Just...Mike Kazz.
Feb 23 19:42:44 <Lord_Oblivion>	lol
Feb 23 19:42:44 <Joker1138>	Next
Feb 23 19:42:45 <Jaymach>	a page where users state what their 3 images are
Feb 23 19:42:51 <Azzt_Rhell>	No.
Feb 23 19:42:52 <Gonk>	Maybe clarify the policy a bit, but otherwise we're good, it seems
Feb 23 19:42:53 <Jaymach>	they can use those 3, plus any from articles
Feb 23 19:42:55 <Ozzel>	We could do a gallery of user images, but that could totally be taken the wrong way.
Feb 23 19:42:57 <Riffsyphon1024>	we'll have to idenity those images
Feb 23 19:42:58 <Ataru>	No
Feb 23 19:43:01 <jSarek>	I think such a registry would just encourage more user images.
Feb 23 19:43:05 <JorrelFraajic>	Gah! Mike Kazz!
Feb 23 19:43:05 <Cull_Tremayne>	We didn't delete that image of Mike Kazz committing Seppuku did we?
Feb 23 19:43:05 <Azzt_Rhell>	ya
Feb 23 19:43:11 <JorrelFraajic>	Bad example!
Feb 23 19:43:14 <Ozzel>	Yes, jSarek. That's the problem.
Feb 23 19:43:14 <Xwing328>	There is the gallery of images, in a sense, with the categories that image tags add them to
Feb 23 19:43:23 <Riffsyphon1024>	next topic, bad image
Feb 23 19:43:27 <Ozzel>	Another problem: not all user images are tagged.
Feb 23 19:43:28 <Lord_Oblivion>	Gah! Mike Kazz!!!!
Feb 23 19:43:30 <Azzt_Rhell>	Next!
Feb 23 19:43:33 <Karohalva>	Next!
Feb 23 19:43:34 <JainaSolo>	lol
Feb 23 19:43:37 <JorrelFraajic>	Next!
Feb 23 19:43:39 <Joker1138>	next
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Feb 23 19:43:42 <Ataru>	So we just make sure policy is enforced
Feb 23 19:43:44 <Cull_Tremayne>	Just someone please say that we didn't delete that image.
Feb 23 19:43:47 <Riffsyphon1024>	almost done
Feb 23 19:43:48 <Xwing328>	untagged = BALEET :P
Feb 23 19:43:51 <jSarek>	So, stick to current policy, modsmack violators without deleting multiuse images, and move on.
Feb 23 19:43:54 <Lord_Oblivion>	Whatever. Next
Feb 23 19:43:55 <Cull_Tremayne>	NOOOOOO!!!!! :P
Feb 23 19:43:56 *	Ozzel would like to remind everyone that they are not in charge of the Mofference.
Feb 23 19:43:59 <JorrelFraajic>	Cull: Baleeted, I think.
Feb 23 19:44:02 <Riffsyphon1024>	Improvement Drive
Feb 23 19:44:09 <Ataru>	Meh
Feb 23 19:44:10 <Cull_Tremayne>	Why God? Why? Best image ever. :P
Feb 23 19:44:12 *	JorrelFraajic groans.
Feb 23 19:44:14 <Ozzel>	Basically, no one is voting.
Feb 23 19:44:16 <JorrelFraajic>	IDrive.
Feb 23 19:44:24 <Imperialles>	IDrive, yes...
Feb 23 19:44:26 <JorrelFraajic>	I vote, if I can work on an article.
Feb 23 19:44:26 <Xwing328>	yup...
Feb 23 19:44:29 <The4dotelipsis>	Mike Kazz...(da-da-da)...he's the man, the man with the copious userboxes!
Feb 23 19:44:34 <Imperialles>	A beast I unleashed on this wiki
Feb 23 19:44:37 <Ataru>	I vote on them, but to be honest, I usually do my own work or the work of a WookieeProject
Feb 23 19:44:44 <Riffsyphon1024>	Why is IDrive Dying?
Feb 23 19:44:44 <JorrelFraajic>	Same here.
Feb 23 19:44:45 <Xwing328>	what if we changed IDrive into the expansion of stub articles?
Feb 23 19:44:48 <Ozzel>	Anons and new users are still improving the articles
Feb 23 19:44:49 <The4dotelipsis>	IDrive - I dunno. It's not fun enough.
Feb 23 19:44:51 <Karohalva>	The trouble with the improvement drive is that it will cause edit clashes. Too many people working at once (preferably).
Feb 23 19:44:55 <Ataru>	Per Fourdot
Feb 23 19:44:56 <Gonk>	is WP down?
Feb 23 19:44:56 <The4dotelipsis>	Make IDrive Source Drive.
Feb 23 19:44:59 <The4dotelipsis>	That would be something.
Feb 23 19:45:00 <Lord_Oblivion>	"Just....Mike Kazz"
Feb 23 19:45:01 <Ozzel>	But participation has been severely dropping in recent months.
Feb 23 19:45:02 <Xwing328>	those huge idrive articles are hard to find stuff to add
Feb 23 19:45:03 <JorrelFraajic>	Xwing: Like Mount Sorrow?
Feb 23 19:45:05 <Xwing328>	yes
Feb 23 19:45:06 <LtNOWIS>	"Imperial Miltary" is up now. That's a fun topic.
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Feb 23 19:45:11 ---	Darth_Culator has changed the topic to: Mofference: Our dying friend, the Improvement drive.
Feb 23 19:45:13 ---	Jaymach gives voice to Lord_Oblivion
Feb 23 19:45:26 <Cull_Tremayne>	What "can" be done though?
Feb 23 19:45:28 <Imperialles>	Thing is, most people want to write about whatever interests them at the moment. Very few have enough discipline to stick to one topic decided by the community.
Feb 23 19:45:29 <Riffsyphon1024>	how many Doomed articles have been saved by IDrive already? have we run out?
Feb 23 19:45:31 <The4dotelipsis>	Nothing that's not a character is fun.
Feb 23 19:45:35 <Ozzel>	I'd just like to see more participation in the voting.
Feb 23 19:45:38 <Xwing328>	no...the doom tag is still in use
Feb 23 19:45:41 <Ozzel>	AND the improving.
Feb 23 19:45:42 <Ataru>	IDrive just isn't as fun as WookieeProject.
Feb 23 19:45:46 <Cull_Tremayne>	We just have so many WookieeProjects now that ID is basically worthless.
Feb 23 19:45:52 <Karohalva>	Perhaps participation drops because you know you're gonna get edited anyway?
Feb 23 19:45:52 <Cull_Tremayne>	In the scheme of things anyway.
Feb 23 19:45:57 <jSarek>	YEah, the really big thorough articles tend to come from single people with a vision, not committee action.
Feb 23 19:46:02 <Ozzel>	Should we get rid of it and feature the projects instead?
Feb 23 19:46:06 <Ataru>	Case in point: Panaka
Feb 23 19:46:07 <LtNOWIS>	I vote, but I don't really improve. Because I'm a terrible person.
Feb 23 19:46:08 <LucidFox>	well
Feb 23 19:46:12 <Riffsyphon1024>	teach people to edit sections not the whole article
Feb 23 19:46:18 <Joker1138>	per Ozzel
Feb 23 19:46:18 <LucidFox>	one of the rationales for the new Main Page was
Feb 23 19:46:20 <Ataru>	Case in Point: Second Battle of Borleias (Yuuzhan Vong War)
Feb 23 19:46:20 <JorrelFraajic>	Maybe ID could be used as a sourcing project?
Feb 23 19:46:22 <LucidFox>	to get ID kicking again
Feb 23 19:46:23 <Gonk>	IDrive should stay. It doesn't hurt anything to keep it around
Feb 23 19:46:23 <jSarek>	Per LtNowis.
Feb 23 19:46:28 <Cull_Tremayne>	Maybe Improvement drive should link to the WookieeProjects?
Feb 23 19:46:30 <JorrelFraajic>	per Gonk.
Feb 23 19:46:32 <Ataru>	Per Gonk
Feb 23 19:46:33 <LucidFox>	I can move ID to the top of the main page
Feb 23 19:46:33 <jSarek>	Except I don't vote much.
Feb 23 19:46:41 <Ozzel>	Well, I update it every week, but not much happens.
Feb 23 19:46:43 <JorrelFraajic>	True.
Feb 23 19:46:45 <The4dotelipsis>	You can also get shot.
Feb 23 19:46:48 <LucidFox>	we can do this:
Feb 23 19:46:52 <jSarek>	Might be worth trying, Sikon.
Feb 23 19:46:53 <JorrelFraajic>	What?
Feb 23 19:46:53 <Riffsyphon1024>	Hutt article doubles as ID and Alien Wookieeproject
Feb 23 19:46:56 <Ozzel>	I'd vote for moving it up on the main page.
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Feb 23 19:47:02 <Karohalva>	Perhaps we should first allow for contributions and then go in a create a clean copy?
Feb 23 19:47:04 <Riffsyphon1024>	just an example
Feb 23 19:47:05 <JorrelFraajic>	Vote for moving it up.
Feb 23 19:47:06 *	Ataru suggests we just beat people who don't participate but should :-P
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Feb 23 19:47:14 <JorrelFraajic>	lol
Feb 23 19:47:16 <The4dotelipsis>	Nay
Feb 23 19:47:17 <Joker1138>	it could just be going through a quiet faze
Feb 23 19:47:18 <Lord_Oblivion>	Mike Kazz
Feb 23 19:47:18 <LucidFox>	declare that there's no ID this week if there's fewer than X candidates
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Feb 23 19:47:26 <LtNOWIS>	Maybe we should change it to every 2 weeks, to give people more time?
Feb 23 19:47:26 ---	Jaymach gives channel operator status to Ataru
Feb 23 19:47:30 <Riffsyphon1024>	what the? you kicked yourself?
Feb 23 19:47:31 <jSarek>	Be careful, Ataru, we might enjoy it. ;-p
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Feb 23 19:47:34 <LucidFox>	or per LtNOWIS
Feb 23 19:47:41 <LucidFox>	either way is fine by me
Feb 23 19:47:44 <Xwing328>	no...not two weeks
Feb 23 19:47:46 <sarah22299>	Huh? I just joined.. I'm new. What are you talking about?
Feb 23 19:47:47 <Lord_Oblivion>	We should have all gone off topic when Ataru lleft
Feb 23 19:47:47 <Karohalva>	I know why I do not help the drive. It's because there is only so much info out there and most of it is already there.
Feb 23 19:47:47 <Ataru>	Riff: yes
Feb 23 19:47:49 <Ozzel>	Bi-weekly? That could work.
Feb 23 19:47:56 <jSarek>	sarah:  Improvement Drive.
Feb 23 19:48:00 <Riffsyphon1024>	sarah, the mofference is almost over
Feb 23 19:48:00 <Cull_Tremayne>	Sarah: Look at the topic header.
Feb 23 19:48:01 *	Ataru likes Bi-weekly
Feb 23 19:48:01 <sarah22299>	Oh. Ok
Feb 23 19:48:03 <Gonk>	Yeah, more time.
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Feb 23 19:48:08 <Ozzel>	We would have to doulbe the periods for voting, too.
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Feb 23 19:48:14 <Azzt_Rhell>	Ugh.
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Feb 23 19:48:17 <LucidFox>	I think we should CT it
Feb 23 19:48:24 <sarah22299>	Oh, and not enough info out there?
Feb 23 19:48:24 <The4dotelipsis>	CT
Feb 23 19:48:25 <Xwing328>	no...don't make it more drawn out, then even less will participate
Feb 23 19:48:26 <Azzt_Rhell>	bloody internet connection.
Feb 23 19:48:29 <Darth_Culator>	CT's for all!
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Feb 23 19:48:30 <Ataru>	No CT
Feb 23 19:48:30 <Azzt_Rhell>	What I miss?
Feb 23 19:48:31 <jSarek>	What about two IDrive articles at a time?  Give people more than one focus?
Feb 23 19:48:33 <Cull_Tremayne>	New users don't know about the WookieeProjects, I think it'd be great to link to them from the I-Drive.
Feb 23 19:48:40 <Gonk>	oo, good idea jSarek
Feb 23 19:48:42 <Joker1138>	(How many topics left)
Feb 23 19:48:43 <sarah22299>	I think so too
Feb 23 19:48:48 <Gonk>	two different-type/era articles
Feb 23 19:48:48 <JorrelFraajic>	Bi-weekly is good.
Feb 23 19:48:50 <Ataru>	How many are left?
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Feb 23 19:48:52 <Riffsyphon1024>	how many articles died due to losing out by a vote?
Feb 23 19:48:54 <LucidFox>	nah, too few candidates for that
Feb 23 19:49:01 <LucidFox>	we can do a thematic ID, though
Feb 23 19:49:10 <LucidFox>	character ID, planet ID, species ID, etc
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Feb 23 19:49:12 <Cull_Tremayne>	I don't think complicating the ID will help in the long run.
Feb 23 19:49:14 <sarah22299>	Bi-Weekly? Whats that?
Feb 23 19:49:16 <Ataru>	KISS
Feb 23 19:49:22 <Jaymach>	(LucidFox): that was suggested before
Feb 23 19:49:22 <JorrelFraajic>	Yes, Ataru: What could we use?
Feb 23 19:49:24 <Riffsyphon1024>	thats just like wookieeprojects, sikon
Feb 23 19:49:25 <LtNOWIS>	Yeah, thematic is a bad idea
Feb 23 19:49:25 <Xwing328>	the book ID i suggested a year ago that never got approved...
Feb 23 19:49:25 <jSarek>	sarah:  Once every two weeks.
Feb 23 19:49:26 <Ataru>	Keep It Simple Stupid
Feb 23 19:49:27 <Cull_Tremayne>	Bi=2 weekly=week.
Feb 23 19:49:28 <Imperialles>	LucidFox: dividing the workforce won't work
Feb 23 19:49:28 <Ozzel>	Yeah, I'd be for improving more general things, like a category, or de-stubbing, etc.
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Feb 23 19:49:31 <Jaymach>	it was decided that further splitting the ID was a bad idea
Feb 23 19:49:38 <LucidFox>	ok, ok
Feb 23 19:49:41 <Azzt_Rhell>	Cull:So what did I miss?
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Feb 23 19:49:43 <Karohalva>	Eventually a ID will come down to who's writing is better. And that makes it impossible to please everyone.
Feb 23 19:49:47 <Jaymach>	however, we could do a rotary system
Feb 23 19:49:56 <Cull_Tremayne>	Like I said, you missed everything.
Feb 23 19:49:57 <Jaymach>	1 week character, 1 week planet, 1 week spaceship, etc
Feb 23 19:49:59 <LucidFox>	Dragon9tailedfox> holy cow!
Feb 23 19:50:03 <sarah22299>	I think that there are way to many stubs, i would be for de-stubbing as well.
Feb 23 19:50:03 <Azzt_Rhell>	Ah. Ok.
Feb 23 19:50:10 <sarah22299>	I like that idea Cull
Feb 23 19:50:10 <Cull_Tremayne>	Eh, just delete the whole thing!
Feb 23 19:50:10 <Imperialles>	Karohalva: It's not really about that, it's about lack pf writers
Feb 23 19:50:14 <Imperialles>	of*
Feb 23 19:50:19 <Riffsyphon1024>	separate stub project?
Feb 23 19:50:22 <jSarek>	I'm beginning to think Cull may be right.
Feb 23 19:50:23 <Ozzel>	We could put it on a haitus.
Feb 23 19:50:24 <Joker1138>	ok
Feb 23 19:50:25 <Karohalva>	Many stubs are stubs because there is nothing to write in them.
Feb 23 19:50:26 *	Ataru protests that he does a lot of writers
Feb 23 19:50:28 <Gonk>	hmm, ok. I still think 2 weeks instead of 1 is a good idea. People have lives... well, some people.
Feb 23 19:50:29 <Ataru>	*writing
Feb 23 19:50:33 <Ataru>	Two weeks is better
Feb 23 19:50:36 <Xwing328>	Then they shouldn't be stubs
Feb 23 19:50:37 <LtNOWIS>	Most IDrive noms genuinely need improvement.
Feb 23 19:50:39 <Xwing328>	they're complete
Feb 23 19:50:41 <Riffsyphon1024>	karo: true
Feb 23 19:50:43 <sarah22299>	Then they should be deleted, should'nt they?
Feb 23 19:50:47 <LtNOWIS>	No...
Feb 23 19:50:48 <Lord_Oblivion>	Delete Wookieepedia, then they'll be no articles to IP :P
Feb 23 19:50:50 <Riffsyphon1024>	no
Feb 23 19:50:54 <sarah22299>	II am talking about stubs
Feb 23 19:50:55 <JorrelFraajic>	lol
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Feb 23 19:50:58 <Cull_Tremayne>	I mean, how much success have we had from IDrive recently? When the Wiki was young sure, but now everything is improved through WookieeProjects.
Feb 23 19:51:01 *	Azzt_Rhell thinks gonk is speaking about someone other than himself.
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Feb 23 19:51:05 <Riffsyphon1024>	stubs stay regardless of size
Feb 23 19:51:07 <Karohalva>	Perhaps stubs of one category, say, "weapons" can be put in one article?
Feb 23 19:51:09 <Ataru>	LucidFox: I know
Feb 23 19:51:10 <Lord_Oblivion>	*ID
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Feb 23 19:51:23 <sarah22299>	Yes, good idea
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Feb 23 19:51:29 <LtNOWIS>	We have articles for every small thing. That's how it's always been.
Feb 23 19:51:31 <Lord_Oblivion>	My idea?
Feb 23 19:51:33 <Xwing328>	yes, stubs are for amount of total information available about article, not length of article
Feb 23 19:51:35 <The4dotelipsis>	Is we done here?
Feb 23 19:51:38 <Imperialles>	No
Feb 23 19:51:43 <Joker1138>	i think so
Feb 23 19:51:45 <sarah22299>	Lol
Feb 23 19:51:46 <JorrelFraajic>	Next?
Feb 23 19:51:47 <QuentinGeorge>	Hmm....
Feb 23 19:51:50 <Xwing328>	There is no more
Feb 23 19:51:51 <Riffsyphon1024>	one more topic
Feb 23 19:51:52 <JainaSolo>	Next
Feb 23 19:51:54 <jSarek>	And how it should be.  If Lucasfilm releases info on some stub, we have the article already in place to expand.
Feb 23 19:51:54 <Ataru>	There are no more
Feb 23 19:51:56 <Ozzel>	So what to we do? Make it bi-weekly? Give it a break and feature Wookieeprojects?
Feb 23 19:52:01 <Imperialles>	I have a topic
Feb 23 19:52:02 <sarah22299>	So the decsion is?
Feb 23 19:52:02 <Imperialles>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Forum:Main_Page_version_3
Feb 23 19:52:05 <Joker1138>	yep
Feb 23 19:52:05 <Ozzel>	Keep as is?
Feb 23 19:52:05 <Ataru>	Ugh
Feb 23 19:52:06 <Imperialles>	Main page v. 3
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Feb 23 19:52:11 <Imperialles>	When to close the CT?
Feb 23 19:52:12 <JorrelFraajic>	Biweekly.
Feb 23 19:52:13 <Gonk>	Biweekly
Feb 23 19:52:13 <Xwing328>	v3
Feb 23 19:52:14 <Ataru>	The Main Page v. 3 needs some work
Feb 23 19:52:16 <Karohalva>	What of consolidating related stubs into one article about, say, the whole production line of that item?
Feb 23 19:52:17 <Imperialles>	And when to put it up?
Feb 23 19:52:18 <Ataru>	Biweekly
Feb 23 19:52:19 <sarah22299>	Biweekly
Feb 23 19:52:35 <Xwing328>	product lines = star wars merchandise wiki
Feb 23 19:52:37 <Riffsyphon1024>	wookiee goes bi? ok
Feb 23 19:52:38 <Cull_Tremayne>	I'd agree with Ozzel and say that we should alternate between featuring WookieeProjects.
Feb 23 19:52:39 <LucidFox>	I'll sum up the complaints about MPv3:
Feb 23 19:52:46 <sarah22299>	I liked the idea of Weapons one time, planets one time, ect.
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Feb 23 19:52:52 <JorrelFraajic>	People are opposed to change?
Feb 23 19:52:53 <Xwing328>	feature wookiee-p's
Feb 23 19:52:55 <Cull_Tremayne>	That sounds like a really good idea actually. Two weeks=more laziness really.
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Feb 23 19:52:57 <Joker1138>	me
Feb 23 19:52:58 <Ineedaname>	There's no links to teh movies!!!!1!
Feb 23 19:53:01 <Ataru>	Change the topic, please
Feb 23 19:53:02 <LucidFox>	yes
Feb 23 19:53:08 <LtNOWIS>	I don't like the "subject" idea, because some things don't fit in set categories.
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Feb 23 19:53:09 <JorrelFraajic>	Yes to who?
Feb 23 19:53:11 <Riffsyphon1024>	yes there are name, click the link
Feb 23 19:53:13 <Ozzel>	Regardless, let me just encourage everyone to nominate, vote for, and work on some articles.
Feb 23 19:53:16 <The4dotelipsis>	There be no more topics, methinks.
Feb 23 19:53:17 <Lord_Oblivion>	There are always people who hate change
Feb 23 19:53:23 <Ozzel>	Okay, Main page...
Feb 23 19:53:24 <sarah22299>	Yeah
Feb 23 19:53:25 <LtNOWIS>	Like, "Imperial Military" isn't a vehicle or a person.
Feb 23 19:53:26 <Cull_Tremayne>	Is there a new topic?
Feb 23 19:53:27 <LucidFox>	1. " There's no links to teh movies!!!!1!"
Feb 23 19:53:27 <Jaymach>	does anyone else have any more business? :P
Feb 23 19:53:31 ---	Darth_Culator has changed the topic to: Mofference: The new Main Page.
Feb 23 19:53:31 <jSarek>	Open Forum time.
Feb 23 19:53:33 <LucidFox>	2. "Not Star Warsy"
Feb 23 19:53:35 <Riffsyphon1024>	ok call this mofference over then?
Feb 23 19:53:40 <Ineedaname>	Riff: I know, but that's the most common objection to the main page :P
Feb 23 19:53:41 <Ataru>	NO,
Feb 23 19:53:42 <Riffsyphon1024>	ok one more topic
Feb 23 19:53:44 <Xwing328>	we're still on mp3
Feb 23 19:53:45 <Darth_Culator>	We seem to have found a new topic.
Feb 23 19:53:46 <QuentinGeorge>	I like the new front page.
Feb 23 19:53:47 <Ataru>	Imp's still talking
Feb 23 19:53:49 *	Jaymach wishes DarkSpork were still here
Feb 23 19:53:53 <QuentinGeorge>	It looks pretty. :)
Feb 23 19:53:53 <Cull_Tremayne>	Open floor?
Feb 23 19:53:54 <sarah22299>	What is wrong with the Mian page?
Feb 23 19:53:55 <Gonk>	Cure for #2 = SW-style icons
Feb 23 19:53:55 <Ozzel>	I'm concerned with this major complaint being percieved as "whining."
Feb 23 19:53:56 <JorrelFraajic>	As do I. I really like it.
Feb 23 19:54:00 <Jaymach>	then we could ask if she'd be able to make Star Wars-y images for the new Main Page
Feb 23 19:54:00 <JorrelFraajic>	per Gonk.
Feb 23 19:54:02 <Ataru>	Let's use some SW style icon
Feb 23 19:54:02 <Imperialles>	Icons can be changed.
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Feb 23 19:54:08 <LucidFox>	3. Icons
Feb 23 19:54:09 <Karohalva>	Books like the Encylopedia Britannica and stuff lump its "stubs" into category articles. This is an encyclopedia, isn't it?
Feb 23 19:54:10 <sarah22299>	I like the Main page
Feb 23 19:54:11 <The4dotelipsis>	Change Icons now.
Feb 23 19:54:11 <LucidFox>	the thing is
Feb 23 19:54:12 <QuentinGeorge>	No, I think the icons are good.
Feb 23 19:54:12 <Ozzel>	If something's not working for A LOT of people, then we need to fix it.
Feb 23 19:54:14 <The4dotelipsis>	Yarg!
Feb 23 19:54:14 <Imperialles>	The vote is for the general layout.
Feb 23 19:54:16 <Riffsyphon1024>	More Wookiees
Feb 23 19:54:22 <sarah22299>	?
Feb 23 19:54:22 <The4dotelipsis>	I like the layout.
Feb 23 19:54:24 <Cull_Tremayne>	They NEED to be changed. They look ridiculous. :P
Feb 23 19:54:26 <sarah22299>	Me too
Feb 23 19:54:29 <Xwing328>	We already have stub categories Karohalva
Feb 23 19:54:30 <LucidFox>	where can we find SW-themed icons?
Feb 23 19:54:31 <JorrelFraajic>	Layout is most excellent!
Feb 23 19:54:34 <Karohalva>	The main page is fine. So was the old one. I don't really care.
Feb 23 19:54:35 <Lord_Oblivion>	Not important
Feb 23 19:54:35 <Darth_Culator>	Riff: YES! More Wookiees!
Feb 23 19:54:38 <Ineedaname>	We could make some ourself
Feb 23 19:54:39 <Xwing328>	LucidFox - we make them :P
Feb 23 19:54:40 <LtNOWIS>	Karohalva: We're not changing the small articles thing.
Feb 23 19:54:41 <Joker1138>	its ok i suppose, the small images need changing though
Feb 23 19:54:43 <JorrelFraajic>	JMAS said he was playing around with some.
Feb 23 19:54:45 <Jaymach>	(LucidFox): DarkSpork can make us some, if she agrees to
Feb 23 19:54:45 <The4dotelipsis>	I would like to see more portraits of OJ Simpson's lawyer.
Feb 23 19:54:47 <Lord_Oblivion>	But sure. More Wookiees
Feb 23 19:54:48 *	Cull_Tremayne misses the old page. *Sniff*
Feb 23 19:54:50 <Ozzel>	I like it, but we obviously need to do something about the index.
Feb 23 19:54:52 <Imperialles>	The point of this redesign is that our current main page looks crap on higher resolutions
Feb 23 19:54:54 <Jaymach>	her icons usually look nice :)
Feb 23 19:54:55 <sarah22299>	Do you think it could be cleaned up? The layout, i mean?
Feb 23 19:54:57 <Riffsyphon1024>	A bunch of Wookiees in the borders and everything, like Kashyyyk itself
Feb 23 19:55:00 <LucidFox>	per Imperialles
Feb 23 19:55:01 <sarah22299>	yeah
Feb 23 19:55:02 <Ataru>	I don't like the article navigation thing
Feb 23 19:55:05 <LucidFox>	also to focus on community projects
Feb 23 19:55:07 <JorrelFraajic>	per imp.
Feb 23 19:55:15 <JorrelFraajic>	and Sikon
Feb 23 19:55:16 <Ataru>	I also don't like the Wookieepedia header
Feb 23 19:55:18 <LtNOWIS>	I like "in the news" and "on this date"
Feb 23 19:55:19 <LucidFox>	ID and WOTM were way down on the old MP
Feb 23 19:55:20 <Karohalva>	The Category page is disasterous.
Feb 23 19:55:23 <McEwok>	Wookiees along the top?
Feb 23 19:55:24 <Xwing328>	LtNOWIS - me too
Feb 23 19:55:25 <Gonk>	suggestion: somewhere high on the page, just links for I II III IV V VI
Feb 23 19:55:27 <Lord_Oblivion>	Yes
Feb 23 19:55:28 <sarah22299>	More wookies! (Its called wookiepedia anyway right?)
Feb 23 19:55:31 <jSarek>	Is there room in the new layout for a small noticeboard?
Feb 23 19:55:31 <Riffsyphon1024>	TFN style?
Feb 23 19:55:32 <JorrelFraajic>	QotD was pn the bottom too.
Feb 23 19:55:33 <LucidFox>	Karohalva> what "Category page"?
Feb 23 19:55:36 <sarah22299>	And not one wookie on it
Feb 23 19:55:37 <Cull_Tremayne>	The links ARE there.
Feb 23 19:55:40 <Ozzel>	Can we try to integrate the article navigation back into the design?
Feb 23 19:55:40 <Xwing328>	wookieE
Feb 23 19:55:42 <LucidFox>	jSarek> sitenotices
Feb 23 19:55:45 <Imperialles>	Well, I think it kinda needs about 30 more spinning .gifs of dancing wookiees
Feb 23 19:55:46 <JorrelFraajic>	People, spell wookieE right.
Feb 23 19:55:50 <jSarek>	Someplace to say things like "The Mofference is now on" or "Vote on a possible sourcing revamp"?
Feb 23 19:55:50 <Karohalva>	The one you click on to search through categories.
Feb 23 19:55:51 <LucidFox>	Ozzel, I don't think so
Feb 23 19:55:52 <JorrelFraajic>	lol @ Imp
Feb 23 19:55:54 <Riffsyphon1024>	no GIFs though
Feb 23 19:55:58 <Lord_Oblivion>	Per Imp
Feb 23 19:56:01 <Ataru>	no GIFs
Feb 23 19:56:02 <JorrelFraajic>	Yes, no GIFs.
Feb 23 19:56:03 <LucidFox>	I can write a long rebuttal
Feb 23 19:56:04 <Ozzel>	But the current way obviously isn't working.
Feb 23 19:56:05 <Joker1138>	yep
Feb 23 19:56:08 <LucidFox>	NO GIFS
Feb 23 19:56:09 <Lord_Oblivion>	Make an exception
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Feb 23 19:56:11 <jSarek>	Sikon:  Right, but I was thinking a bigger font on the main page. :-p
Feb 23 19:56:12 <LucidFox>	gifs are evil
Feb 23 19:56:13 <JorrelFraajic>	Not working?
Feb 23 19:56:16 <LucidFox>	Ozzel, why?
Feb 23 19:56:20 <Darth_Culator>	BURN GIFS.
Feb 23 19:56:23 <JorrelFraajic>	Yes, why?
Feb 23 19:56:24 <Ozzel>	There are complaints everywhere.
Feb 23 19:56:27 <LucidFox>	meh
Feb 23 19:56:28 <Ataru>	Layout looks okay
Feb 23 19:56:28 <Cull_Tremayne>	Eat JIF.
Feb 23 19:56:32 <Riffsyphon1024>	gifs will scare people off, too myspacish
Feb 23 19:56:34 <QuentinGeorge>	Why not Blinking text and an endless loop of a cowbell avi as well? :P
Feb 23 19:56:36 <Lord_Oblivion>	Dancing wookiees!
Feb 23 19:56:37 <JorrelFraajic>	JIF Good!
Feb 23 19:56:38 <Ozzel>	We need to make information more accessible to everyone.
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Feb 23 19:56:40 <Cull_Tremayne>	I'm talking about the peanut butter of course.
Feb 23 19:56:41 <Ataru>	Move IDrive up
Feb 23 19:56:43 <Joker1138>	could be more star warsish
Feb 23 19:56:44 <Ozzel>	That's the point of the site.
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Feb 23 19:57:01 <Xwing328>	we need a good skin designer to make it starwarsyish
Feb 23 19:57:01 <Riffsyphon1024>	i rest with Wookiees, i think this mofference is well done
Feb 23 19:57:03 *	Ataru says next nonsense post earns a kick
Feb 23 19:57:08 <JorrelFraajic>	We have a freaking search box on the top! How is that not accessable?
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Feb 23 19:57:17 <The4dotelipsis>	Beeh.
Feb 23 19:57:19 <LucidFox>	why does it need to be "starwarsyish"?
Feb 23 19:57:19 <Ataru>	yeah, kill the search box on top
Feb 23 19:57:20 <Lord_Oblivion>	Nonsense post
Feb 23 19:57:21 <Cull_Tremayne>	Whatever happened to making it look like HNN?
Feb 23 19:57:24 <jSarek>	Yeah, something about the title bar of the new main page doesn't say "Star Wars" to me.  Dunno why.
Feb 23 19:57:27 <Karohalva>	Let's add an image of a wookiee which we've doctored to show wearing glasses and holding a book labeld "Wookieepedia"!
Feb 23 19:57:27 <LucidFox>	why can't it just be _functional_?
Feb 23 19:57:27 <Ozzel>	Look, it's okay with me. But it's not with a lot of other people.
Feb 23 19:57:30 <Ataru>	LucidFox: Because it's a STAR WARS site
Feb 23 19:57:31 <JorrelFraajic>	Kill it? Why?
Feb 23 19:57:31 <Cull_Tremayne>	Because it's....Star Wars?
Feb 23 19:57:34 <Lord_Oblivion>	Bah
Feb 23 19:57:36 <Joker1138>	Is this it then?
Feb 23 19:57:40 <Xwing328>	starwarsyish = alternate skin design, not Monobook
Feb 23 19:57:43 <JorrelFraajic>	FUNCTION trumps STYLE!
Feb 23 19:57:44 <Gonk>	People will disagree on what looks Star Warsy:
Feb 23 19:57:53 <Lord_Oblivion>	Mike Kazz is a dancing Wookiee
Feb 23 19:57:54 <Cull_Tremayne>	Bah!
Feb 23 19:57:55 <Ataru>	Jorrel: Bah!
Feb 23 19:57:57 <Gonk>	I would argue "like the OT, with big colorful 70s buttons"...
Feb 23 19:57:59 <Riffsyphon1024>	Stick a fork in it guys, this moff is done.
Feb 23 19:57:59 <Joker1138>	Imperial look?
Feb 23 19:58:01 <Ozzel>	If people are complained about it not being user-friendly, then we obviously need to do something about it.
Feb 23 19:58:03 <McEwok>	Hmm?
Feb 23 19:58:03 <Cull_Tremayne>	LucidFox doesn't even "like" Star Wars! :P
Feb 23 19:58:06 <JorrelFraajic>	Ataru: BAH!
Feb 23 19:58:07 <McEwok>	Can I say something?
Feb 23 19:58:08 <Gonk>	but someone else would say "all slick like Prequel-era interfaces"
Feb 23 19:58:11 <JorrelFraajic>	Yes.
Feb 23 19:58:13 <McEwok>	*raises furry paw*
Feb 23 19:58:14 <Cull_Tremayne>	NO.
Feb 23 19:58:15 <Ataru>	McEwok: You just did
Feb 23 19:58:18 <jSarek>	McEwok, go ahead.
Feb 23 19:58:19 <JorrelFraajic>	lol
Feb 23 19:58:21 <McEwok>	Thanks.
Feb 23 19:58:25 <Karohalva>	Speak, O ewok
Feb 23 19:58:33 <Xwing328>	Gonk - then go design a starwarsyishprequelsyish skin
Feb 23 19:58:35 <McEwok>	Hmm. I'm kinda concerned with... well, two related things, really.
Feb 23 19:58:39 <JorrelFraajic>	OK.
Feb 23 19:58:40 <QuentinGeorge>	I don't want the gimmicky front page people seem to want to....
Feb 23 19:58:51 <McEwok>	First, as I said earlier, the inability to reach consensus on open/shut cases.
Feb 23 19:58:59 <JorrelFraajic>	Like?
Feb 23 19:59:08 ---	Darth_Culator has changed the topic to: Wookieepedia: Post-Mofference. Open floor, but keep it on-topic. Topic is: WOOKIEEPEDIA
Feb 23 19:59:17 <McEwok>	As those who were paying attention earlier saw, the edit war at Galactic_Alliance_Core_Forces is utterly trivial.
Feb 23 19:59:19 <Lord_Oblivion>	Um..
Feb 23 19:59:24 *	Ataru is leaving soon
Feb 23 19:59:28 <Joker1138>	thats it?
Feb 23 19:59:29 <Lord_Oblivion>	Yay
Feb 23 19:59:36 <McEwok>	Yet with the way 3RR is set up, it's taken weeks to resolve...
Feb 23 19:59:41 <The4dotelipsis>	Xwing328 - Can we sort out getting the Wookiee-Cast for other...thingies? Like Sikon wants?
Feb 23 19:59:43 <QuentinGeorge>	What was the actual edit war about? :|
Feb 23 19:59:46 <Karohalva>	This is a website open to all. Such things will happen.
Feb 23 19:59:47 <Imperialles>	I am going to bed. It's 2 AM here. Take care, gentlemen.
Feb 23 19:59:48 <Ataru>	So we just kill disagreeing?
Feb 23 19:59:48 *	Riffsyphon1024 is leaving now, It was fun again
Feb 23 19:59:53 <JorrelFraajic>	I'm almost out.
Feb 23 19:59:54 <Ataru>	QG: an "s" Seriously
Feb 23 19:59:55 <Xwing328>	The4dotelipsis - yes maybe
Feb 23 19:59:56 <jSarek>	G'nyte Imp.
Feb 23 19:59:57 <--	Imperialles has quit ()
Feb 23 20:00:03 <LtNOWIS>	Yeah, trivial edit wars suck.
Feb 23 20:00:04 <Xwing328>	Let's wait for this to clear out a bit
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